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petegz28
05-11-2009, 07:21 PM
MOTHER FUCKER!!! A Dell XPS 700. Haven't had it more than 3 years. Was working just fine then it froze. Hard booted, the fans were blowing like crazy and the amber power light was solid stating something was not working right.Go figure. Pulled every part I could to see which one it was and no luck. What a piece.

Settled for replacing it with an HP with an AMD CPU. My first AMD. This Dell WAS my old gamer....thank God my current gamer, also a Dell XPS 720 didn't die or I would puke.

Lesson: Don't buy a Dell.

Dr. Facebook Fever
05-11-2009, 07:23 PM
My Dell lasted for 6 years and was rocking until my ferret knocked my Coke over on it.

petegz28
05-11-2009, 07:24 PM
My Dell lasted for 6 years and was rocking until my ferret knocked my Coke over on it.

I have a Dell Dimension 8800 that has been kicking as for years. But both of my XPS systems have been junk as far as I am concerned.

Dr. Facebook Fever
05-11-2009, 07:27 PM
I have a Dell Dimension 8800 that has been kicking as for years. But both of my XPS systems have been junk as far as I am concerned.

Mine was an Inspiron 1100 I think. Now I use a friends borrowed Gateway laptop until I buy another.

BryanBusby
05-11-2009, 07:28 PM
Do you actually pop open the case and clean out your PC?

petegz28
05-11-2009, 07:28 PM
Do you actually pop open the case and clean out your PC?

all the time

BryanBusby
05-11-2009, 07:30 PM
all the time

Ah ok. I know a lot of PCs I've came across that have failed would be literally covered in a layer of filth as soon as I popped open the case.

Does the monitor display anything when you try booting it up?

big nasty kcnut
05-11-2009, 08:04 PM
Get some antifreeze and pour it down the computer.
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BigMeatballDave
05-11-2009, 08:10 PM
Heh. I just bought a Dell laptop for school. I've only had it about 2 weeks. I love it. Its just a basic Inspiron. $480 from Best buy.

the Talking Can
05-11-2009, 08:13 PM
i had a dell desktop that ran nonstop for 7 years....

Der Flöprer
05-11-2009, 08:14 PM
MOTHER FUCKER!!! A Dell XPS 700. Haven't had it more than 3 years. Was working just fine then it froze. Hard booted, the fans were blowing like crazy and the amber power light was solid stating something was not working right.Go figure. Pulled every part I could to see which one it was and no luck. What a piece.

Settled for replacing it with an HP with an AMD CPU. My first AMD. This Dell WAS my old gamer....thank God my current gamer, also a Dell XPS 720 didn't die or I would puke.

Lesson: Don't buy a Dell.

HP? I'm a fan, but it took awhile.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=206847

htismaqe
05-11-2009, 08:33 PM
Dell desktops = solid.

I've owned/used 3. Lasted on average 6 years. I still have a Dimension P3-1000 from 2000 that my kids use and works great.

Dell laptops = SHIT

I own an Inspiron 8000. HDD failed TWICE. Motherboard failed THREE TIMES. Screen replaced once. My work laptop (now an HP thank God) got in 2003 when I started, mobo replaced twice, two HDD had to be replaced, wired Ethernet NIC failed, screen had to be replaced once. There's 20 people in my office and all of them have had similar experience with their laptops - Dell Latitude D600's.

Here's a story for you:

A company I worked with chose to switch from IBM to Dell after having trouble with first call resolutions with IBM running into the "hours" range. 10% of the first run of Dell laptops they bought WOULDN'T BOOT out of the box. After one year with Dell, even though first call resolution was reduced from hours to just MINUTES, they went back to IBM because they figured they were spending 10 times the amount of time on Dell support issues. 1 tech support call for 3 hours is 3 hours. 100 tech support calls at 6 minutes each is TEN hours.

NEVER buy a Dell laptop.

chasedude
05-11-2009, 08:40 PM
First System I had was a Compaq Presario. I learned how to build my own after that.

The place I used to work made me buy Dell's. I told them I could make systems better and cheaper from scratch, they wouldn't change.

I was the Network Admin for the company and I didn't have any control on what computers were installed. My boss, who had no experience like I did, chose Dell because she had one at home and the "Board" Prez had one he used for his CPA business.

I butted head's with my boss on more than one issue, I got pushed out. Because I disagreed, with tech experience behind me, I'm now collecting Unemployment.

I need to be my own boss. This turned into a rant, didn't mean to go that deep.

htismaqe
05-11-2009, 08:42 PM
First System I had was a Compaq Presario. I learned how to build my own after that.

The place I used to work made me buy Dell's. I told them I could make systems better and cheaper from scratch, they wouldn't change.

I was the Network Admin for the company and I didn't have any control on what computers were installed. My boss, who had no experience like I did, chose Dell because she had one at home and the "Board" Prez had one he used for his CPA business.

I butted head's with my boss on more than one issue, I got pushed out. Because I disagreed, with tech experience behind me, I'm now collecting Unemployment.

I need to be my own boss. This turned into a rant, didn't mean to go that deep.

Know this now. You'll never get fired for going with:

Dell
Cisco
Microsoft
AT&T

It's just the way it is. Marketing trumps innovation and functionality all day, every day.

Miles
05-11-2009, 08:42 PM
Alternative thread title: "So Long, and Thanks for All the Porn"

chasedude
05-11-2009, 08:52 PM
Know this now. You'll never get fired for going with:

Dell
Cisco
Microsoft
AT&T

It's just the way it is. Marketing trumps innovation and functionality all day, every day.

That's it, the Marketing. They wanted to know the manufacturers of all the components I was putting in the system and they never heard of any of them. Therefore, we havn't heard of it, how do we know it's reliable... or compatible in their minds. What about the warranty, they asked? Does it last 3 years like Dell? I just couldn't win out.

The_Doctor10
05-11-2009, 08:54 PM
Heh. I just bought a Dell laptop for school. I've only had it about 2 weeks. I love it. Its just a basic Inspiron. $480 from Best buy.

Give it 6 months. You get what you pay for with computers, so spend the extra $ and get a Mac. It's just better.

petegz28
05-11-2009, 09:06 PM
Also I might ass...VISTA ROYALLY FUCKING SUCKS BALLS!

htismaqe
05-11-2009, 09:08 PM
Give it 6 months. You get what you pay for with computers, so spend the extra $ and get a Mac. It's just better.

You could spend marginally more dollars and get a better PC. Mac's aren't the answer to everything.

The_Doctor10
05-11-2009, 09:17 PM
You could spend marginally more dollars and get a better PC. Mac's aren't the answer to everything.

Yes they are :D

chasedude
05-11-2009, 09:24 PM
Also I might ass...VISTA ROYALLY FUCKING SUCKS BALLS!

I have a system setup on Vista 64. Aside from the video driver incompatibilities in the beginning, it runs really stable.

ChiefsLV
05-11-2009, 09:33 PM
I have a system setup on Vista 64. Aside from the video driver incompatibilities in the beginning, it runs really stable.

I've also been running Vista 64 SP1 on a custom rig I built for gaming with no problems and it's pretty damn fast.

My laptop is a Dell XPS M1530 that I've been using for a year and a half with no problems so far. I fully expect that if I have this laptop for 5 years like I did my last laptop (a Compaq), the hard drive will fail at some point from anywhere from 3-5 years. Laptop hard drives just don't seem to be as reliable maybe because of the smaller parts or because they're subject to more bumps during operation.

chasedude
05-11-2009, 09:35 PM
I've also been running Vista 64 SP1 on a custom rig I built for gaming with no problems and it's pretty damn fast.

My laptop is a Dell XPS M1530 that I've been using for a year and a half with no problems so far. I fully expect that if I have this laptop for 5 years like I did my last laptop (a Compaq), the hard drive will fail at some point from anywhere from 3-5 years. Laptop hard drives just don't seem to be as reliable maybe because of the smaller parts or because they're subject to more bumps during operation.

One of these days HD's will be all solid state. No more moving parts to screw up

Der Flöprer
05-11-2009, 09:37 PM
Vista gets a bad rap. It's a great OS.

petegz28
05-11-2009, 09:39 PM
I have a system setup on Vista 64. Aside from the video driver incompatibilities in the beginning, it runs really stable.

File sharing sucks! I have an Mvix unit that I stream movies and music into my livingroom wirelessly. Well, because Vista is Vista it will not see the shares. So that is strike 1. It also does not allow Remote Destop Access, so that is strike 2.

RJ
05-11-2009, 09:45 PM
Is there a mod around to sticky this thread?

chasedude
05-11-2009, 09:48 PM
File sharing sucks! I have an Mvix unit that I stream movies and music into my livingroom wirelessly. Well, because Vista is Vista it will not see the shares. So that is strike 1. It also does not allow Remote Destop Access, so that is strike 2.

Now that you mention it, I did have some problems with RDP on this 64bit. I ended up using UltraVNC without a hitch.

petegz28
05-11-2009, 09:49 PM
And now I find you can't sync to network folders in Vista Home Premium? Well WTF is so Premium about that?

Strike 3 already

petegz28
05-11-2009, 09:50 PM
Now that you mention it, I did have some problems with RDP on this 64bit. I ended up using UltraVNC without a hitch.

What is this UltraVNC you speak of?

petegz28
05-11-2009, 09:51 PM
Now that you mention it, I did have some problems with RDP on this 64bit. I ended up using UltraVNC without a hitch.

I found what was supposed to be a fix on the internet for it but it doesn't work. Microsoft really fucked this up as far as features go.

chasedude
05-11-2009, 09:54 PM
What is this UltraVNC you speak of?

http://www.uvnc.com/

You load a server side program on the main system and it accepts incoming requests with passwords. Very nice program. You can even make executables for other people to "run" to connect with your system. I have it setup on my mom's. She download's the file and she simply doubleclicks to connect to me. Of course I have to approve the connection on my side. Saves me drive time by connecting through the Net

petegz28
05-11-2009, 09:56 PM
And now it won't let me save anything to the root of C:......says I do not have the Permissions yet I am logged in as the Administrator.

LOL WTF?

chasedude
05-11-2009, 09:57 PM
One big plus is the other viewer can see what you are doing. RDP locks the other user out so it's hard to "show" the problem. I used this alot at work. It saved me hundreds of hours on the road.

chasedude
05-11-2009, 09:59 PM
And now it won't let me save anything to the root of C:......says I do not have the Permissions yet I am logged in as the Administrator.

LOL WTF?

sounds like you need to run a chkdsk /r

I bet you have some bad sectors causing some problems

Jethopper
05-11-2009, 10:05 PM
build your own. Dell/HP/Vaio/Mac are all built with the cheapest parts they can find.

chasedude
05-11-2009, 10:08 PM
build your own. Dell/HP/Vaio/Mac are all built with the cheapest parts they can find.

But but but... they have a 3 year warranty :cuss:

Fruit Ninja
05-11-2009, 10:10 PM
hell, i replace my computers every other year. Then again, i use them for gaming as well and as games get more graphic intensive, you gotta upgrade. lol

dirk digler
05-11-2009, 10:11 PM
Dell desktops = solid.

I've owned/used 3. Lasted on average 6 years. I still have a Dimension P3-1000 from 2000 that my kids use and works great.

Dell laptops = SHIT

I own an Inspiron 8000. HDD failed TWICE. Motherboard failed THREE TIMES. Screen replaced once. My work laptop (now an HP thank God) got in 2003 when I started, mobo replaced twice, two HDD had to be replaced, wired Ethernet NIC failed, screen had to be replaced once. There's 20 people in my office and all of them have had similar experience with their laptops - Dell Latitude D600's.

Here's a story for you:

A company I worked with chose to switch from IBM to Dell after having trouble with first call resolutions with IBM running into the "hours" range. 10% of the first run of Dell laptops they bought WOULDN'T BOOT out of the box. After one year with Dell, even though first call resolution was reduced from hours to just MINUTES, they went back to IBM because they figured they were spending 10 times the amount of time on Dell support issues. 1 tech support call for 3 hours is 3 hours. 100 tech support calls at 6 minutes each is TEN hours.

NEVER buy a Dell laptop.

Our company uses 99% Dell desktops and laptops and haven't had any real problems with any of them except for the normal wear and tear after 5 years +.

Though when I had a chance to pick the laptop I wanted I chose a Lenovo Thinkpad. :D

petegz28
05-11-2009, 10:15 PM
build your own. Dell/HP/Vaio/Mac are all built with the cheapest parts they can find.



I was going too but for the price and such I wasn't going to invest all that. When I need a new gamer then I will build.

Jethopper
05-11-2009, 10:32 PM
I still run a AMD 939 mb with a 4000+ dual core and 700 watt xion psu. It has been on for 5 years straight now, working perfect, with out me turning it off. Works every time and now have my 4th new graphics card, and 2nd new cpu. I would probably have gone through 3 computers if I had gone the store bought route.

Count Alex's Losses
05-11-2009, 10:38 PM
Lesson: build your own computers.

BigMeatballDave
05-11-2009, 10:43 PM
Give it 6 months. You get what you pay for with computers, so spend the extra $ and get a Mac. It's just better.Eh, I bought an eMachine from Best buy about 2 1/2 yrs ago. No problems.

Mac? No thanks. Quality machines, but way over priced.

BigMeatballDave
05-11-2009, 10:44 PM
Lesson: build your own computers.How do you build a laptop?

Jethopper
05-11-2009, 10:51 PM
How do you build a laptop?

http://computershopper.com/feature/build-your-own-laptop

I have built 2.

Jethopper
05-11-2009, 10:55 PM
Give it 6 months. You get what you pay for with computers, so spend the extra $ and get a Mac. It's just better.

Ya, because so many professionals outside of teachers and art students use them.......NEXT.

rtmike
05-11-2009, 11:16 PM
I'm sure there's folks who despise Gateways but the one I just replaced had lasted 7 years. It was replaced with another one.

petegz28
05-11-2009, 11:18 PM
Lesson: build your own computers.

Yea, I will when I go for another gamer.

petegz28
05-11-2009, 11:19 PM
I'm sure there's folks who despise Gateways but the one I just replaced had lasted 7 years. It was replaced with another one.

I almost went with a Gateway. Would have saved me about $80.

BigMeatballDave
05-11-2009, 11:21 PM
http://computershopper.com/feature/build-your-own-laptop

I have built 2.Wow. I had no clue. :doh!:

The_Doctor10
05-12-2009, 12:16 AM
Ya, because so many professionals outside of teachers and art students use them.......NEXT.

Ya, because Mac software doesn't allow you to create anything that can be read on a Windows system.... NEXT

Jethopper
05-12-2009, 12:27 AM
Ya, just because you have pc parts doesn't mean you can't run safari.... Mac cpu's and motherboards are the same as pc cpu's and motherboards........ NEXT

there ya go

Count Alex's Losses
05-12-2009, 12:29 AM
A better question would be why would anyone want to run Safari?

Jethopper
05-12-2009, 12:31 AM
A better question would be why would anyone want to run Safari?

Some people like to smell their own farts.

Count Alex's Losses
05-12-2009, 12:31 AM
Some people like to smell their own farts.

Well I do, but I prefer Firefox.

acesn8s
05-12-2009, 02:25 AM
RIP

ArrowheadHawk
05-12-2009, 08:28 AM
I almost went with a Gateway. Would have saved me about $80.

Gateway is fine now that they were bought out by acer. I would definitely recommend Acer laptops. Buy them from newegg.com though and not Walmart. Walmart gets mass produced cheap ones.

Bi_polar
05-12-2009, 08:56 AM
Yep, my M-140 was shit.

wutamess
05-12-2009, 08:58 AM
Lesson: Don't be Pete and buy a Dell.

Fixed! I've had nothing but Dells and no problems.

Skip Towne
05-12-2009, 09:09 AM
Could someone please explain how these 1's and 0's can put naked women on my screen?

Rooster
05-12-2009, 09:17 AM
My Dell lasted for 6 years and was rocking until my ferret knocked my Coke over on it.

Ferrets and an addiction to corn. Dr. Johnny Fever becomes more interesting each day. :)

Skip Towne
05-12-2009, 09:21 AM
Fixed! I've had nothing but Dells and no problems.

Yeah, Pete could break a crow bar.

joesomebody
05-12-2009, 09:36 AM
Honestly I think Dell is a fine company. I usually build my own desktops, but I have had Dells in the past with no issues. I had issues with Compaq many years ago (Windows 98 era) but since have had no issues with either HP or Compaq.

My current Dell Lap Top is now 2 and a half years old and is by far the best computer I've owned. It is terrific. Doesn't even overheat, and I use it for gaming.

At the time I got it, the thing was top of the line, but even so I would have no problems with buying another Dell laptop, even if I was going with a lower end model.

htismaqe
05-12-2009, 10:01 AM
build your own. Dell/HP/Vaio/Mac are all built with the cheapest parts they can find.

They build them with the same freaking parts the other guys do. The difference is in the ASSEMBLY, not the parts.

The big benefit to building your own is that you get to pick who assembles your parts, so you can avoid the guys that don't do quality work.

Of course, you also sometimes run into weird shit, like the fact that my nForce 570 northbridge doesn't like the Athlon 5000+ or 5200+, resulting in fried memory. It took me a year, 4 sets of memory, and an Athlon 6000 to figure out the issue.

htismaqe
05-12-2009, 10:02 AM
Our company uses 99% Dell desktops and laptops and haven't had any real problems with any of them except for the normal wear and tear after 5 years +.

Though when I had a chance to pick the laptop I wanted I chose a Lenovo Thinkpad. :D

What line of laptops do they use?

htismaqe
05-12-2009, 10:04 AM
I'm sure there's folks who despise Gateways but the one I just replaced had lasted 7 years. It was replaced with another one.

They were my customer. They've always done a good job. And they're starting to work on Acer now - Acer is adopting some of their practices and improving their own quality.

MeaTy The Pimp
05-12-2009, 10:05 AM
My Dell lasted for 6 years and was rocking until my ferret knocked my Coke over on it.


Ferrets are great aren't they....







...I like mine fried in butter with a little garlic. J/K

htismaqe
05-12-2009, 10:05 AM
Gateway is fine now that they were bought out by acer. I would definitely recommend Acer laptops. Buy them from newegg.com though and not Walmart. Walmart gets mass produced cheap ones.

Gateway was fine before they were bought from Acer. Acer is really going through a renaissance now - they're adopting enough ingenuity from Gateway.

htismaqe
05-12-2009, 10:06 AM
Fixed! I've had nothing but Dells and no problems.

I would suggest playing the lottery immediately if I were you. You've got the 1-in-a-million thing on your side already.

dirk digler
05-12-2009, 10:07 AM
What line of laptops do they use?

Vostro mostly

htismaqe
05-12-2009, 10:07 AM
Honestly I think Dell is a fine company. I usually build my own desktops, but I have had Dells in the past with no issues. I had issues with Compaq many years ago (Windows 98 era) but since have had no issues with either HP or Compaq.

My current Dell Lap Top is now 2 and a half years old and is by far the best computer I've owned. It is terrific. Doesn't even overheat, and I use it for gaming.

At the time I got it, the thing was top of the line, but even so I would have no problems with buying another Dell laptop, even if I was going with a lower end model.

Like I said, I've owned/used 3 Dell DESKTOPS and never had one failure. Not even one.

The laptops are a completely different ballgame.

htismaqe
05-12-2009, 10:07 AM
Vostro mostly

That might explain it. The failures I've seen were in the Inspiron 8xxx/9xxx lines and the Latitude D6xx lines.

dirk digler
05-12-2009, 10:13 AM
That might explain it. The failures I've seen were in the Inspiron 8xxx/9xxx lines and the Latitude D6xx lines.

We had some Inspiron's and didn't really have any problem with them in their lifecycle either except they were slower than shit.

Right now we just have Dell Vostro's 1000's and some cheap HP laptops running crappy Vista.

Jethopper
05-12-2009, 06:34 PM
They build them with the same freaking parts the other guys do. The difference is in the ASSEMBLY, not the parts.

The big benefit to building your own is that you get to pick who assembles your parts, so you can avoid the guys that don't do quality work.

Of course, you also sometimes run into weird shit, like the fact that my nForce 570 northbridge doesn't like the Athlon 5000+ or 5200+, resulting in fried memory. It took me a year, 4 sets of memory, and an Athlon 6000 to figure out the issue.

Negitive. Those store bought parts are bottom end what ever brand you want to insert.

htismaqe
05-12-2009, 06:52 PM
Negitive. Those store bought parts are bottom end what ever brand you want to insert.

Are you saying that EVGA/MSI/etc. use better parts than HP/Lenovo/Dell? Seriously?

You do realize that there's only a handful of chip manufacturers, right?

Jethopper
05-12-2009, 07:13 PM
Are you saying that EVGA/MSI/etc. use better parts than HP/Lenovo/Dell? Seriously?

You do realize that there's only a handful of chip manufacturers, right?

Im saying Asus/EVGA/MSI/etc. makes certain levels and types of boards with the cheapest ones being used in store cpus.

htismaqe
05-12-2009, 08:02 PM
Im saying Asus/EVGA/MSI/etc. makes certain levels and types of boards with the cheapest ones being used in store cpus.

All of the OEM vendors do the same thing - the Gateway you order online isn't the same as the Acer you buy at Walmart.

What your arguing is that PCs from the big box stores are more cheaply-made. While true, that wasn't the original argument.

The original argument was that building your own PC gave you a higher quality than buying an HP/Lenovo/Dell/etc. If you're buying from a reputable source (aka, NOT Best Buy) then that's not true - the components being used are largely the same.

BigMeatballDave
05-12-2009, 08:41 PM
Yeah, Pete could break a crow bar.Heh, my dad used to tell me I could tear up an anvil in a sandbox.

The_Doctor10
05-13-2009, 01:28 AM
Gateway was fine before they were bought from Acer. Acer is really going through a renaissance now - they're adopting enough ingenuity from Gateway.

Ugh, don't get me started on Acers; my sister, my room-mate and I have all had Acers for the past 18 months, and there were more blue screens of death than I care to count in that time. Add to that faulty power chords, general tortoise-like performance, and a webcam that never ever worked, I was only too happy to be rid of that boat anchor. In fact, if Future Shop didn't insist on keeping that POS, I was fully prepared to heave it off a bridge surrounded by candles and people in hooded robes.

And you know, I'll concede that maybe Macs aren't as great as I and others make them out to be. But you try re-writing several different essays after your computer blue-screens and, despite repeated and frequent saving, your entire document vanishes except for your thesis. Then tell me that even though Mac may not be the wundercomputer it's made out to be that it doesn't deserve at least a chance to prove it's better/more functional than a PC.

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 12:16 PM
All of the OEM vendors do the same thing - the Gateway you order online isn't the same as the Acer you buy at Walmart.

What your arguing is that PCs from the big box stores are more cheaply-made. While true, that wasn't the original argument.

The original argument was that building your own PC gave you a higher quality than buying an HP/Lenovo/Dell/etc. If you're buying from a reputable source (aka, NOT Best Buy) then that's not true - the components being used are largely the same.

Hmmmm, communication break down. The original argument is about building your own computer, not having a store build it for you.

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 12:21 PM
Hmmmm, communication break down. The original argument is about building your own computer, not having a store build it for you.

Your original statement was that he should build his own because HP/Dell/etc. use bottom-dollar parts.

And that's not entirely true.

The parts in an HP you order direct from HP.com are quite a bit different than the parts you'll find in a Compaq on the shelf at Circuit City.

The problem isn't with the OEM manufacturers, the issue is with the "big box" distribution channel.

I can get a Gateway or HP "enthusiast" rig online that has every bit the horsepower, quality, and longevity that my home-built PC has. The big difference there is the PRICE - I paid a "big box" price for mine by buying from online discount retailers like NewEgg.

And remember, not everybody has the wherewithal to build their own PC.

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 12:48 PM
I would like to see a gateway or HP rig that has 16 GB Ram with a i7 266 and a radeon 4890...... So no you can not buy an "enthusiast" pc with the same kind of power.

chasedude
05-13-2009, 12:50 PM
I would like to see a gateway or HP rig that has 16 GB Ram with a i7 266 and a radeon 4890...... So no you can not buy an "enthusiast" pc with the same kind of power.

Good God Man, what are you doing that you need 16G or RAM? :eek:

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 12:55 PM
Good God Man, what are you doing that you need 16G or RAM? :eek:

I don't have one I was just making a point.

DenverChief
05-13-2009, 12:55 PM
Next time:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1540/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/imac/img/product-24in.jpg

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 12:58 PM
I would like to see a gateway or HP rig that has 16 GB Ram with a i7 266 and a radeon 4890...... So no you can not buy an "enthusiast" pc with the same kind of power.

So now it's not about quality, it's about quantity? You keep moving the argument to fit your position, but it's not working.

BTW, a quick search found that Gateway provides a performance PC factory overclocked quad-core i7-940, with 8GB of RAM upgradeable to 16GB, Radeon 4870 X2 video card also overclocked in the factory.

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 12:58 PM
Next time:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1540/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/imac/img/product-24in.jpg

I don't want a babies first comp.

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 12:59 PM
I don't have one I was just making a point.

And not a good one either.

You said he should build a PC because HP/Gateway/Dell use INFERIOR parts.

Configuring a PC with 16GB of RAM has NOTHING AT ALL to do with parts quality.

NOTHING.

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 01:01 PM
So now it's not about quality, it's about quantity? You keep moving the argument to fit your position, but it's not working.

BTW, a quick search found that Gateway provides a performance PC factory overclocked quad-core, with 8GB of RAM upgradeable to 16GB, Radeon 4870 X2 video card also overclocked in the factory.

I'm not changing my argument. I was basing a statement off your previous one. A overclocked quad-core......That is not a i7 2.66 nor is a 4870 x 2 a 4890.
Anyway, you show tell me what your motherboard is and I will guarantee you it is not the top end of whatever platform you have. I need the model number of your cpu.

DenverChief
05-13-2009, 01:05 PM
I don't want a babies first comp.

huh?

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 01:07 PM
And not a good one either.

You said he should build a PC because HP/Gateway/Dell use INFERIOR parts.

Configuring a PC with 16GB of RAM has NOTHING AT ALL to do with parts quality.

NOTHING.

agreed.

Here you go the highest end gateway uses a BTX 5-slot NVIDIA® 680i motherboard. BTX, LOL are you kidding me?????? Like I said cheaper parts. Buddy you can try and spin it however you want, but don't try and argue you can buy an equal quality computer at the store.

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 01:07 PM
huh?

An all-in one.

DenverChief
05-13-2009, 01:13 PM
An all-in one.


and what is wrong with that? Nice part about the all in one is that I have 2 cables, power for the monitor/computer and the usb cable for the printer....mouse and keyboard are wireless...less cluttered area with monitor/tower combination...

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 01:17 PM
and what is wrong with that? Nice part about the all in one is that I have 2 cables, power for the monitor/computer and the usb cable for the printer....mouse and keyboard are wireless...less cluttered area with monitor/tower combination...

Nothing is wrong with it! You just cannot upgrade it or put an a high-end graphics card. It's all based on your needs. For the average computer user, that is a very nice computer.

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 01:18 PM
http://chipchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/monsterimacquarium2.jpg

The files are in the computer!?!?! - Hansel

petegz28
05-13-2009, 01:19 PM
and what is wrong with that? Nice part about the all in one is that I have 2 cables, power for the monitor/computer and the usb cable for the printer....mouse and keyboard are wireless...less cluttered area with monitor/tower combination...

I almost bought a mac that was all in one. But I am not spending that kind of $. My Dad has one and I really like it for doing pictures and movies and all the typical noob stuff. But since I know how to do that all in Windows there is no need to spend $2k.

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 01:19 PM
Here is another all-in one.

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:kJ2PBWXx3-ukgM::http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mac_plus_g4.jpg

Count Alex's Losses
05-13-2009, 01:20 PM
and what is wrong with that? Nice part about the all in one is that I have 2 cables, power for the monitor/computer and the usb cable for the printer....mouse and keyboard are wireless...less cluttered area with monitor/tower combination...

Ha! You have a USB cord running to a printer? Get with the times.

http://www.techgadgets.in/images/lexmark-z2420-printer.jpg

The_Doctor10
05-13-2009, 01:21 PM
I don't want a babies first comp.

It's fine; it probably doesn't want you either.

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 01:26 PM
agreed.

Here you go the highest end gateway uses a BTX 5-slot NVIDIA® 680i motherboard. BTX, LOL are you kidding me?????? Like I said cheaper parts. Buddy you can try and spin it however you want, but don't try and argue you can buy an equal quality computer at the store.

Not only did I not try to argue that I could buy an equal quality computer AT THE STORE, I unequivocally stated that you COULDN'T. Have you been reading at all?

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 01:28 PM
Not only did I not try to argue that I could buy an equal quality computer AT THE STORE, I unequivocally stated that you COULDN'T. Have you been reading at all?

I can get a Gateway or HP "enthusiast" rig online that has every bit the horsepower, QUALITY, and longevity that my home-built PC has. The big difference there is the PRICE - I paid a "big box" price for mine by buying from online discount retailers like NewEgg. -YOU

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 01:28 PM
I'm not changing my argument. I was basing a statement off your previous one. A overclocked quad-core......That is not a i7 2.66 nor is a 4870 x 2 a 4890.
Anyway, you show tell me what your motherboard is and I will guarantee you it is not the top end of whatever platform you have. I need the model number of your cpu.

I have a an MSI motherboard, model 7250, which is a K9N SLI, nForce 570 northbridge.

Maybe you failed to read the part where I BUILT my PC? WTF?

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 01:29 PM
I can get a Gateway or HP "enthusiast" rig online that has every bit the horsepower, quality, and longevity that my home-built PC has. The big difference there is the PRICE - I paid a "big box" price for mine by buying from online discount retailers like NewEgg. -YOU

So you're nitpicking one word - "horsepower" - even though it has NOTHING to do with the original argument?

We were talking about quality and you try to change the subject.

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 01:30 PM
I can get a Gateway or HP "enthusiast" rig online that has every bit the horsepower, QUALITY, and longevity that my home-built PC has. The big difference there is the PRICE - I paid a "big box" price for mine by buying from online discount retailers like NewEgg. -YOU

So now you're trying to assert that online = Best Buy?

ROFL

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 01:31 PM
Let me tell you this, since I've STOOD on the assembly floor at Gateway computers.

The parts they sell online are COMPLETELY different than the parts that go into what they sell at Best Buy. But don't take my word for it, it's not like I saw it first-hand or anything.

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 01:32 PM
Best Buy doesn't sell online???

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 01:35 PM
Let me tell you this, since I've STOOD on the assembly floor at Gateway computers.

The parts they sell online are COMPLETELY different than the parts that go into what they sell at Best Buy. But don't take my word for it, it's not like I saw it first-hand or anything.

You are trying to change the argument. First off, you can look at what mb they put in their comps, so how would you standing on the floor make any difference? Anyone can just go look at the price and type of their mb.

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 01:37 PM
Best Buy doesn't sell online???

It is OBVIOUS to everyone, except apparently you, what the difference between a direct sales channel and a "Big box" retail sales channel is. There was NOTHING in any of my responses that would lead someone to believe that I was talking about Best Buy online or anything of the sort.

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 01:38 PM
So you're nitpicking one word - "horsepower" - even though it has NOTHING to do with the original argument?

We were talking about quality and you try to change the subject.

I have been talking about how store bought comps are lower quality the whole time. You however have been changing the argument every chance you get and accusing me of changing it. Well, great man. You just made a 5 page long thread where you admitted I was right no less than 3 times. Conversation over.

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 01:41 PM
You are trying to change the argument. First off, you can look at what mb they put in their comps, so how would you standing on the floor make any difference? Anyone can just go look at the price and type of their mb.

You're trying to equate high-end parts with low failure rates. Read the thread starter. We were talking about hardware FAILURES. Me standing on the assembly floor allowed me to see that they put different components, with different FAILURE RATES, in the PCs distributed to brick and mortar retailers.

Using an onboard video chipset, while cheaper, is not an indication of QUALITY. Some onboard chipsets are more cheaply-made and have higher failure incidences than others.

You can argue until you're blue in the face, and it's not going change the fact that your aren't even talking about the same thing.

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 01:41 PM
It is OBVIOUS to everyone, except apparently you, what the difference between a direct sales channel and a "Big box" retail sales channel is. There was NOTHING in any of my responses that would lead someone to believe that I was talking about Best Buy online or anything of the sort.

Dude, SERIOUSLY. You have once again proven my point. My original statement was the parts in store bought comps are cheaper. They are direct sales, lower quality and cheaper.

(Best Buy is a common vendor of comps btw)

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 01:42 PM
Post #76:

the Gateway you order online isn't the same as the Acer you buy at Walmart.

My argument hasn't moved at all. Nice try.

htismaqe
05-13-2009, 01:43 PM
Dude, SERIOUSLY. You have once again proven my point. My original statement was the parts in store bought comps are cheaper. They are direct sales, lower quality and cheaper.

(Best Buy is a common vendor of comps btw)

Dude, you just refuse to read don't you.

I AGREED WITH YOU.

chasedude
05-13-2009, 01:46 PM
I bet my motherboard could beat up your motherboard. :Poke:

Jethopper
05-13-2009, 02:48 PM
:banghead: