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Coogs
05-18-2009, 01:13 PM
No Brian Waters.
No Mike Vrabel.

Carry on!

Demonpenz
05-18-2009, 01:17 PM
waters is on the chopping block

Coogs
05-18-2009, 01:21 PM
Here is Gretz's report...

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/ota-1-update-518.html#more-8818

OTA #1 Update 5/18
May 18, 2009 - Bob Gretz |

From Truman Sports Complex

There were 83 players on the field for the Chiefs first OTA session Monday morning.

“We are trying to integrate some football as rookies and veterans are together for the first time,” said Todd Haley. “I thought we got off to a decent start. We had 83 players on the field which I think is excellent given that the OTA’s are voluntary. We had nice weather, so we were all able to be outside.”

The only players on the roster missing from the workout were LG Brian Waters, OLB Mike Vrabel and fourth-round draft choice Donald Washington. Waters and Vrabel have not been at the team’s facilities at all this off-season, while Washington is not allowed to attend under NFL rules because Ohio State’s spring term does not end until the second week of June.

“This is all voluntary so let’s try to focus on the 83 guys that are here and working hard,” said Haley.

Veteran Wade Smith stepped into Waters spot at LG with the first-team offense, while Tamba Hali and Monty Beisel worked at the OLB spots with the first defense.

There were a handful of players who did not take part as they rehab from injury: QB Brodie Croyle, CB Maurice Leggett, TE Tony Davis, LB Turk McBride, DT Tank Tyler, DE Glenn Dorsey, OLB Brian Johnston and RB Kolby Smith.

Observations from the workout:

The No. 1 offense lined up this way: Dwayne Bowe and Mark Bradley were at WR, Brad Cottam at TE, Mike Cox and Larry Johnson in the backfield with Cassel and the offensive front from left to right of Branden Albert, Smith, Rudy Niswanger, Mike Goff and Damion McIntosh.

The No. 1 defense lined up this way: Tyson Jackson, Ron Edwards and Alex Magee along the defensive line, although Dorsey worked with the No. 1 unit at RDE when they did their pre-practice walkthrough segment. At strong OLB spot was Monty Beisel with Hali work at the weak OLB. Inside it was Derrick Johnson and Zach Thomas. LCB was Brandon Carr, RCB was Brandon Flowers with Jarrad Page and Bernard Pollard at safety.

The No. 2 offensive line went like this from left to right: Herb Taylor, Edwin Harrison, Eric Ghiaciuc, Tavares Washington and Barry Richardson.

The No. 2 defense lined up this way: Alfonso Boone, Derek Lokey and Bobby Greenwood, with OLB Darrell Robertson and Andy Studebaker with inside backers Demorrio Williams and Corey Mays. On the corners were Travis Daniels and Ricardo Colclough, with Jon McGraw and DaJuan Morgan at safety.
Working at OLB were Hali, McBride, Studebaker, Beisel, Robertson, Johnston and Walters.
Working at ILB were Johnson, Thomas, Mays, Williams, Wes Dacus, Jovan Belcher and Corey Smith.

When the squads came together for the seven-on-seven passing drills, Bowe dropped the first two passes thrown his way,
The No. 1 pick draft choice had a nice pass defense as he knocked a pass out of the sky with his hand at the line of scrimmage.

Infidel Goat
05-18-2009, 01:21 PM
Waters is only on the chopping block if we want our new QB to be split in half.

Scorp
05-18-2009, 01:24 PM
Waters is only on the chopping block if we want our new QB to be split in half.

Kelli Croyle was seen leaving Pioli's office with white residue on her dress.

Buehler445
05-18-2009, 01:24 PM
Good fuck. Beisel is our replacement if 900 year old Vrabel goes down. With Tamba on the other side? :deevee:

Reaper16
05-18-2009, 01:27 PM
The No. 1 pick draft choice had a nice pass defense as he knocked a pass out of the sky with his hand at the line of scrimmage.
What a belabored phrasing.

Chiefnj2
05-18-2009, 01:28 PM
It seems like every single defensive lineman drafted by Herm is recuperating from injury.

talastan
05-18-2009, 01:29 PM
When the squads came together for the seven-on-seven passing drills, Bowe dropped the first two passes thrown his way,

Don't like the sound of this...


The No. 1 pick draft choice had a nice pass defense as he knocked a pass out of the sky with his hand at the line of scrimmage.

Love this!! :thumb: This was one of Jackson's specialties at LSU.

the Talking Can
05-18-2009, 01:33 PM
wouldn't shock me at all if Vrabel said f'it and retired...

Coogs
05-18-2009, 01:33 PM
Hopefully Barry Richardson is making a good impression. I kind of figured Colin Brown was going to be a lock at the 2nd team RT spot today. Good sign IMO.

the Talking Can
05-18-2009, 01:35 PM
what's wrong with dorsey?

Coogs
05-18-2009, 01:38 PM
what's wrong with dorsey?

I think it still has to do with the leg injury he had in college. IIRC, a few weeks ago at the mini-camp before the draft, that is what they were saying.

Pablo
05-18-2009, 01:38 PM
The No. 2 defense looks pretty fucking awesome.

Coogs
05-18-2009, 01:38 PM
wouldn't shock me at all if Vrabel said f'it and retired...

I'm kind of wondering if that might not be the case as well.

Buehler445
05-18-2009, 01:39 PM
what's wrong with dorsey?

Pretty much all of them except Brodie and Kolby. WTF happened to these guys?

Buehler445
05-18-2009, 01:40 PM
Actually this is good information from Gretz. Much better than anything else we've had lately.

Chiefnj2
05-18-2009, 01:41 PM
I hope Tank and Turk weren't injured getting beat up by the Metallica-wannabe boy band members.

the Talking Can
05-18-2009, 01:42 PM
I think it still has to do with the leg injury he had in college. IIRC, a few weeks ago at the mini-camp before the draft, that is what they were saying.

well, that sucks....

Count Alex's Losses
05-18-2009, 01:44 PM
Waters is a little bitch. How disappointing. He'd rather play for a career loser like Herm Edwards than a no-bullshit, get-things-done, up-and-comer like Todd Haley.

Chiefnj2
05-18-2009, 01:44 PM
I wonder if Dorsey wasn't traded, in part, because of this mysterious injury.

Dicky McElephant
05-18-2009, 01:45 PM
"When the squads came together for the seven-on-seven passing drills, Bowe dropped the first two passes thrown his way"


JFC kid. This is your ONLY FUCKING JOB!

Pablo
05-18-2009, 01:47 PM
"When the squads came together for the seven-on-seven passing drills, Bowe dropped the first two passes thrown his way"


JFC kid. This is your ONLY FUCKING JOB!Dwayne Bowe will catch the ball when Dwayne Bowe's ready to.

talastan
05-18-2009, 01:47 PM
Waters is a little bitch. How disappointing. He'd rather play for a career loser like Herm Edwards than a no-bullshit, get-things-done, up-and-comer like Todd Haley.

Coach A doesn't make him do crap, and treats him like a leader.

Coach B is THE leader and expects you to work your *** off. Which do you think Waters will work for?

talastan
05-18-2009, 01:49 PM
I wonder if Dorsey wasn't traded, in part, because of this mysterious injury.

Interesting thought, although one could argue that his time at RDE during the practice would negate this possible concern. Either way he needs to get better and play his butt off, whether it is for a trade or to start. A D-line with Jackson and Dorsey on it is going to be pretty interesting.

Coogs
05-18-2009, 01:50 PM
I wonder if Dorsey wasn't traded, in part, because of this mysterious injury.

I'll ask this question in this thread. Is there anymore to the Dorsey to the Bills for Parrish and 2 draft picks rumor that somebody was floating around in the Mecca thread late last week?

Chiefnj2
05-18-2009, 01:57 PM
It looks like the focus for 2009 is the year of finding out whether any of Herm's draft picks can transition to the 3-4.

Slainte
05-18-2009, 02:01 PM
"When the squads came together for the seven-on-seven passing drills, Bowe dropped the first two passes thrown his way

Disappointing news.

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 02:05 PM
Actually this is good information from Gretz. Much better than anything else we've had lately.

Agreed.

OnTheWarpath58
05-18-2009, 02:08 PM
wouldn't shock me at all if Vrabel said f'it and retired...

I'm kind of wondering if that might not be the case as well.

Me too.

The guy is 900 years old, and just was dealt from a Super Bowl contender to a team that has won 15 games in the past 3 seasons.

I'm sure he's fucking thrilled. I mean, who wouldn't want to end their career playing for a loser?

SNR
05-18-2009, 02:18 PM
Me too.

The guy is 900 years old, and just was dealt from a Super Bowl contender to a team that has won 15 games in the past 3 seasons.

I'm sure he's ****ing thrilled. I mean, who wouldn't want to end their career playing for a loser?So why is Zack Thomas so excited to be here?

I say Vrabel accepted the trade. If he's not going to do his job the same way he did it in New England, then yeah, he should retire. Otherwise, get his ass in the locker room and start doing that team leader bullshit we sent him in here to do

MIAdragon
05-18-2009, 02:24 PM
wouldn't shock me at all if Vrabel said f'it and retired...

It looks like he is at camp just not ours......


http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1875278194/Pros-get-one-on-one-with-campers

OnTheWarpath58
05-18-2009, 02:27 PM
So why is Zack Thomas so excited to be here?

I say Vrabel accepted the trade. If he's not going to do his job the same way he did it in New England, then yeah, he should retire. Otherwise, get his ass in the locker room and start doing that team leader bullshit we sent him in here to do

Zach Thomas is happy here because he found a team that would pay him.

He had a choice to come here - likely because he wasn't getting other offers, and a paycheck is better than no paycheck when you still want to play.

Vrabel was forced to come here.

Apples and oranges.

the Talking Can
05-18-2009, 02:28 PM
So why is Zack Thomas so excited to be here?

I say Vrabel accepted the trade. If he's not going to do his job the same way he did it in New England, then yeah, he should retire. Otherwise, get his ass in the locker room and start doing that team leader bullshit we sent him in here to do

thomas wasn't an anchor and fan beloved player on a multiple superbowl winning team....Vrabel could easily decide he has nothing left to prove....

OnTheWarpath58
05-18-2009, 02:29 PM
thomas wasn't an anchor and fan beloved player on a multiple superbowl winning team....Vrabel could easily decide he has nothing left to prove....

This also.

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 02:31 PM
Zach Thomas is happy here because he found a team that would pay him.

He had a choice to come here - likely because he wasn't getting other offers, and a paycheck is better than no paycheck when you still want to play.

Vrabel was forced to come here.

Apples and oranges.

I thought he was a Belicheat cast-off and booby prize for the Cassel trade anyway.

Buehler445
05-18-2009, 02:34 PM
Me too.

The guy is 900 years old, and just was dealt from a Super Bowl contender to a team that has won 15 games in the past 3 seasons.

I'm sure he's fucking thrilled. I mean, who wouldn't want to end their career playing for a loser?

There was speculation that NE was going to release him (salary) so Pioli and BB worked a deal to save him some face. I would think if he was going to retire he they would have clued him in on the transaction and he would do it then.

That being said, it is a little disappointing because the old guys were brought in to show the new guys "how to work".
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Mr. Krab
05-18-2009, 02:38 PM
Our LB's are just fracked.

Count Alex's Losses
05-18-2009, 02:38 PM
Compare and contrast Waters with a supposed "cancer" like Owens:



WR Terrell Owens was on-hand Monday as the Bills opened their minicamp this week. Owens said he believes the voluntary workouts are important.

"This time is very, very valuable because the offense is new to me," he said. "So the more I can be in-sync with the team and be around the team and really soak in and absorb all the terminology, it's going to be some different plays, but when it comes to running routes, that's second nature to me. Right now, my focus is just honing in on the plays and learning the concepts of different pass patterns. And once I get that down, I'll just go out there and play free."

dirk digler
05-18-2009, 03:05 PM
Cassel is going to get killed behind that O-Line unless he learns how to read the D and throw in like .5 seconds

RustShack
05-18-2009, 03:10 PM
Cassel is going to get killed behind that O-Line unless he learns how to read the D and throw in like .5 seconds

With Goff I wouldn't say our line is any worse than the bruised up line he played behind last year.

Count Alex's Losses
05-18-2009, 03:16 PM
People are really overrating a guard's role in pass protection...

Dicky McElephant
05-18-2009, 03:17 PM
I just wish they'd trade Waters already.......fucking get it over with.

RustShack
05-18-2009, 03:20 PM
People are really overrating a guard's role in pass protection...

DE's get to the QB's the most, but DT's still get pressure. I think Shields played a pretty big role in protecting Green, granted not as big of a role as Roaf did.

HemiEd
05-18-2009, 03:22 PM
wouldn't shock me at all if Vrabel said f'it and retired...
Exactly what I was thinking. He was supposed to bring veteran leadership, so far that is not working out to well.

dirk digler
05-18-2009, 03:25 PM
With Goff I wouldn't say our line is any worse than the bruised up line he played behind last year.

I am not worried about Goff but the turnstile he is playing next to

booger
05-18-2009, 03:25 PM
the star has some pics up from today.

http://www.kansascity.com/1015/gallery/1203674.html

booger
05-18-2009, 03:36 PM
Starting lineups
Here's how the Chiefs lined up with their first units during their first full-squad practice:

Offense
QB - Matt Cassel
RB - Larry Johnson
FB - Mike Cox
WR - Dwayne Bowe
WR - Mark Bradley
TE - Brad Cottam
LT - Branden Albert
LG - Wade Smith (for the absent Brian Waters)
C - Rudy Niswanger
RG - Mike Goff
RT - Damion McIntosh
Defense
LE - Tyson Jackson
NT - Ron Edwards
RE - Alex Magee (for the injured Glenn Dorsey)
OLB - Monty Beisel (for the absent Mike Vrabel)
ILB - Zach Thomas
ILB - Derrick Johnson
OLB - Tamba Hali
CB - Brandon Flowers
CB - Brandon Carr
FS - Jarrad Page
SS - Bernard Pollard

Submitted by Adam Teicher on May 18, 2009 - 12:36pm.
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http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/813

the Talking Can
05-18-2009, 03:37 PM
http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2009/05/18/13/610-CHIEFS_SP_051809_DRE_811f.standalone.prod_affiliate.81.jpg


can't help it, Haley cracks me up...swear he would eat your liver with a warm pabst...

MIAdragon
05-18-2009, 03:41 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. He was supposed to bring veteran leadership, so far that is not working out to well.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1875278194/Pros-get-one-on-one-with-campers

HemiEd
05-18-2009, 04:01 PM
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1875278194/Pros-get-one-on-one-with-campersThat helps some. But it seems he has yet to show, at all, to One Arrowhead Drive. That bothers me some, but who knows, he might come riding in on a white horse soon.

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 04:49 PM
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/Chiefs%20Camp/100-CHIEFS_SP_051809_DRE_005fstanda.jpg

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/Chiefs%20Camp/20-CHIEFS_SP_051809_DRE_656fstandal.jpg

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/Chiefs%20Camp/241-CHIEFS_SP_051809_DRE_138fsta-1.jpg

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/Chiefs%20Camp/677-CHIEFS_SP_051809_DRE_444fsta-1.jpg

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/Chiefs%20Camp/70-CHIEFS_SP_051809_DRE_614fstan-1.jpg

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/Chiefs%20Camp/753-CHIEFS_SP_051809_DRE_569fsta-1.jpg

Reerun_KC
05-18-2009, 05:00 PM
Can we get some pictures of Krummie teaching those guys how to be total dominate bad assess with the Slap Chop?

HemiEd
05-18-2009, 05:00 PM
http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2009/05/18/13/610-CHIEFS_SP_051809_DRE_811f.standalone.prod_affiliate.81.jpg


can't help it, Haley cracks me up...swear he would eat your liver with a warm pabst...

hmm, just looks like a tired kid that hasn't shaved, to me.

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 05:06 PM
Can we get some pictures of Krummie teaching those guys how to be total dominate bad assess with the Slap Chop?

Haley banned it. Permanently.

Reerun_KC
05-18-2009, 05:07 PM
Haley banned it. Permanently.

First pictures are up....

http://www.deludeddiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/slap-chop-vince-03-thumb.jpg

Mecca
05-18-2009, 05:09 PM
Monty Beisel and Tamba Hali as OLB's...ew.

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 05:14 PM
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/Chiefs%20Camp/_BEN4103-1.jpg

Reerun_KC
05-18-2009, 05:16 PM
Krummie, teaching the basics!

http://www.gossipsucker.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/vince_slap_chop_youre_going_to_love_my_nuts.jpg

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 05:18 PM
Krummie, teaching the basics!

http://www.gossipsucker.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/vince_slap_chop_youre_going_to_love_my_nuts.jpg



ROFL God that guy's a goober!

Mecca
05-18-2009, 05:23 PM
Oh no is Tim Krumrie busting out the slap fight...

the Talking Can
05-18-2009, 05:24 PM
hmm, just looks like a tired kid that hasn't shaved, to me.

wow, you're a blast at parties i bet....

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 05:25 PM
Oh no is Tim Krumrie busting out the slap fight...

Yep, he puts on The Chipmunks sing DMX, and hits the ground running.

chiefs1111
05-18-2009, 05:25 PM
Oh no is Tim Krumrie busting out the slap fight...

I don't think he knows how to do anything else

penchief
05-18-2009, 05:54 PM
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/Chiefs%20Camp/20-CHIEFS_SP_051809_DRE_656fstandal.jpg

Roster says the dude weighs 269 pounds. That's one pound shy of 270. If he bulks up he might be able to play right tackle.

Mecca
05-18-2009, 05:56 PM
Roster says the dude weighs 269 pounds. That's one pound shy of 270. If he bulks up he might be able to play tackle.

His weight is higher because of his height, but he does look a bit thin.

penchief
05-18-2009, 05:57 PM
His weight is higher because of his height, but he does look a bit thin.

Yeah, I know. But it still surprised me how thin he looked at 269.

Mecca
05-18-2009, 05:59 PM
Well looks take into account if a OT was 6'7 he'd weigh 350lbs

booger
05-18-2009, 06:11 PM
Roster says the dude weighs 269 pounds. That's one pound shy of 270. .


they don't teach that stuff in grade school folks

penchief
05-18-2009, 06:13 PM
they don't teach that stuff in grade school folks

heh... point of emphasis.

booger
05-18-2009, 06:15 PM
heh... point of emphasis.

:D

milkman
05-18-2009, 06:51 PM
wow, you're a blast at parties i bet....

Sorry TC, but to us old guys like Ed and me, that's exactly what he looks like.

Hell, he looks just like the kid I told to get off my lawn today.

booger
05-18-2009, 06:56 PM
Hell, he looks just like the kid I told to get off my lawn today.

first i've seen that anybody thinks Haley looks mexican

the Talking Can
05-18-2009, 06:56 PM
Sorry TC, but to us old guys like Ed and me, that's exactly what he looks like.

Hell, he looks just like the kid I told to get off my lawn today.

yes, I too am capable of pointing out the obvious....

that also obviously wasn't my intention...and it has nothing to do with anyone's age...

Halfcan
05-18-2009, 07:22 PM
I might just be pessimistic considering how shitty the Cheaps have been since..... awhile..... but

Beyond the Cassel trade-I have not been impressed at all with who they are bringing in.

Seems like a bunch of has-beens on their last legs... yes leadership is important and all that, but the draft received terrible reviews from nearly everyone.

TG now Waters-will be very hard to replace. Those lineups don't look like a contender in any shape way or form.

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 07:55 PM
His weight is higher because of his height, but he does look a bit thin.


This.

Buehler445
05-18-2009, 08:14 PM
Sorry TC, but to us old guys like Ed and me, that's exactly what he looks like.

Hell, he looks just like the kid I told to get off my lawn today.

ROFL

kcbubb
05-18-2009, 09:31 PM
This.

Cottam is big enough. You don't want him any bigger than 269. If he were any bigger, it would hurt his athletic ability and change of direction. You don't want him to be Jason Dunn.

He's big enough to be an effective blocker and still have the quickness to run some good routes. Cassell will want him to stay at 269.

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 09:35 PM
Cottam is big enough. You don't want him any bigger than 269. If he were any bigger, it would hurt his athletic ability and change of direction. You don't want him to be Jason Dunn.

He's big enough to be an effective blocker and still have the quickness to run some good routes. Cassell will want him to stay at 269.

ROFL THE 1ST APOSTLE HAS SPOKEN! MAKE IT SO!

FAX
05-18-2009, 09:44 PM
It seems like every single defensive lineman drafted by Herm is recuperating from injury.

If Don Pioli can accomplish one thing in his early tenure with the Chiefs, it would be to improve our conditioning and player development programs. It seems to me that the Chiefs have sucked at both for a long time. Coupled with Herm's "Camp Hugs And Booboo Kisses", it's a wonder any of these guys survived a season. I expect that, should Haley introduce a more aggressive approach to camp, many of our 2nd- and 3rd-year guys will be sucking air as well as Haley's dong in an effort to get more bench time.

FAX

FAX
05-18-2009, 09:48 PM
I might just be pessimistic considering how shitty the Cheaps have been since..... awhile..... but

Beyond the Cassel trade-I have not been impressed at all with who they are bringing in.

Seems like a bunch of has-beens on their last legs... yes leadership is important and all that, but the draft received terrible reviews from nearly everyone.

TG now Waters-will be very hard to replace. Those lineups don't look like a contender in any shape way or form.

I pretty much agree with this, Mr. Halfcan. Still, changing the "mentality" of the team is going to take awhile. We desperately need locker-room leadership that is consistent with a mental approach of a championship franchise. I mean, just look at Waters. He's a great example of a guy who, when he doesn't get his way and isn't treated "special", he takes his ball and goes home. It's ridiculous and will take some time to turn around. Guys like Vrabel should be helpful in that regard and, if they can get it done, their value and long-term impact on the team is far greater than might be apparent on the field.

FAX

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 09:55 PM
I pretty much agree with this, Mr. Halfcan. Still, changing the "mentality" of the team is going to take awhile. We desperately need locker-room leadership that is consistent with a mental approach of a championship franchise. I mean, just look at Waters. He's a great example of a guy who, when he doesn't get his way and isn't treated "special", he takes his ball and goes home. It's ridiculous and will take some time to turn around. Guys like Vrabel should be helpful in that regard and, if they can get it done, their value and long-term impact on the team is far greater than might be apparent on the field.

FAX

My biggest beef with Waters was the Monday morning "damage-control / everything will be ok"-shtick of his.
That shit got OLD fast.

Shaid
05-18-2009, 10:18 PM
they don't teach that stuff in grade school folks

ROFL

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 10:57 PM
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/Chiefs%20Camp/Screenshot_1-1.jpg

Reaper16
05-18-2009, 11:03 PM
Look at that pic of Krumrie initiating the slap drill: Is Krumrie wearing jeans out on the practice field?

booger
05-18-2009, 11:07 PM
Look at that pic of Krumrie initiating the slap drill: Is Krumrie wearing jeans out on the practice field?

USC's pro day last year. Working out Sedrick Ellis

Raised On Riots
05-18-2009, 11:07 PM
Look at that pic of Krumrie initiating the slap drill: Is Krumrie wearing jeans out on the practice field?

You didn't hear? He's Wrangler's new bitch-boy.

KcMizzou
05-18-2009, 11:15 PM
I pretty much agree with this, Mr. Halfcan. Still, changing the "mentality" of the team is going to take awhile. We desperately need locker-room leadership that is consistent with a mental approach of a championship franchise. I mean, just look at Waters. He's a great example of a guy who, when he doesn't get his way and isn't treated "special", he takes his ball and goes home. It's ridiculous and will take some time to turn around. Guys like Vrabel should be helpful in that regard and, if they can get it done, their value and long-term impact on the team is far greater than might be apparent on the field.

FAXBut Vrabel didn't show up either. WTF's up with that?

He's supposed to be one of our veteran leaders, right?

FAX
05-18-2009, 11:15 PM
My biggest beef with Waters was the Monday morning "damage-control / everything will be ok"-shtick of his.
That shit got OLD fast.

We are simpatico on that point, Mr. Raised On Rats. Waters found his niche when he was, by default, elected to be the elder statesman of the team. And he was, by all appearances, prepared to protect Herm at all costs. His defense of our pitiable performances didn't do much for his credibility, though. One would think that a guy like Waters would have enough personal pride to find our direction and continuing failures to be intolerable. Herm must have some kind of voodoo, witchy, black magic hold on peeps. Never has there been a more incompetent human to sponsor such loyalty.

FAX

Reaper16
05-18-2009, 11:18 PM
USC's pro day last year. Working out Sedrick Ellis
That doesn't take away from the fact that he's in fucking jeans.

booger
05-18-2009, 11:19 PM
That doesn't take away from the fact that he's in ****ing jeans.

Maybe he thought it would be weird flying out to LA to go to USC's workout and wear sweatpants on the plane

FAX
05-18-2009, 11:21 PM
But Vrabel didn't show up either. WTF's up with that?

He's supposed to be one of our veteran leaders, right?

All part of the plan, Mr. KcMizzou. Haley wants him to make an impression on the young guys and these are merely voluntaries, after all. When real, actual training camp rolls around, Vrabel is going to appear unto the team flying on a glorious, white, puffy cloud surrounded by an enormous, naked, angelic chorus singing "Ruby, Don't Take Your Love To Town".

FAX

Reaper16
05-18-2009, 11:24 PM
Maybe he thought it would be weird flying out to LA to go to USC's workout and wear sweatpants on the plane
As is turns out, airlines allow you to bring luggage with you in which a change of pants could be stored.

booger
05-18-2009, 11:30 PM
As is turns out, airlines allow you to bring luggage with you in which a change of pants could be stored.

Maybe someone should look into the web for photos and videos to see what the sweatpants to jeans ratio was at the '08 USC pro day.

Many of us on this board were pretty excited to see him come aboard in Herms first year. Not just a former player but a crazy bastard who wore his jeans and cowboy boots to the on field drills with the DLineman.

I realize people bash his every move and hey that's fine with me. I don't stick up for him but i don't make him out for the dipshit that some here do.

stevieray
05-18-2009, 11:58 PM
That doesn't take away from the fact that he's in ****ing jeans.

you're kidding, right?

Raised On Riots
05-19-2009, 12:07 AM
That doesn't take away from the fact that he's in fucking jeans.

Okay, I need elaboration here. What's the beef?

Reaper16
05-19-2009, 12:34 AM
I just think it looks stupid. No beef (other than him being a shitty coach), no biggie.

FAX
05-19-2009, 12:42 AM
Hmmmm. You may have reason for concern though, Mr. Reaper16.

Assuming that the jeans are tight-fitting and Slappy is relatively active during practice, one can reasonably expect testicle pinch to occur. And, should testicle pinch occur, Slappy's concentration and focus would, inevitably, be adversely affected. And, should Slappy's concentration and focus be adversely affected, he would naturally be oblivious to the behavior, execution, and technique displayed by the players for whom Slappy is responsible since testicle pinch is an all-consuming issue at best. This could well be a problem.

FAX

Reaper16
05-19-2009, 12:47 AM
Hmmmm. You may have reason for concern though, Mr. Reaper16.

Assuming that the jeans are tight-fitting and Slappy is relatively active during practice, one can reasonably expect testicle pinch to occur. And, should testicle pinch occur, Slappy's concentration and focus would, inevitably, be adversely affected. And, should Slappy's concentration and focus be adversely affected, he would naturally be oblivious to the behavior, execution, and technique displayed by the players for whom Slappy is responsible since testicle pinch is an all-consuming issue at best. This could well be a problem.

FAX
I'll volunteer to buy him a pair of shorts.

Raised On Riots
05-19-2009, 12:48 AM
I just think it looks stupid. No beef (other than him being a shitty coach), no biggie.

Well hell if it were up to me, I'd put him in a Fred Flintstone getup and see where the chips fell for shits and giggles.

Raised On Riots
05-19-2009, 12:49 AM
I'll volunteer to buy him a pair of shorts.

Yep, the old school Stram look. Sweat top and athletic shorts. Good God, does Krumrie think he's a cowboy?

Damn that man.

kcbubb
05-19-2009, 09:28 AM
I pretty much agree with this, Mr. Halfcan. Still, changing the "mentality" of the team is going to take awhile. We desperately need locker-room leadership that is consistent with a mental approach of a championship franchise. I mean, just look at Waters. He's a great example of a guy who, when he doesn't get his way and isn't treated "special", he takes his ball and goes home. It's ridiculous and will take some time to turn around. Guys like Vrabel should be helpful in that regard and, if they can get it done, their value and long-term impact on the team is far greater than might be apparent on the field.

FAX

Guys like Vrabel don't show up! Turn it around.... yeah right... Vrabel probably doesn't want to be here either. But he doesn't have any options.

Vrabel may show up and play well, but don't give me the leadership and turn things around crap when he doesn't even show up to camp.

kcbubb
05-19-2009, 09:32 AM
Well hell if it were up to me, I'd put him in a Fred Flintstone getup and see where the chips fell for shits and giggles.

wow. that really struck me as funny. I know it's stupid but the thought of Krumrie in a fred flinstone outfit doing his slap drill... priceless...

ROFL

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 09:39 AM
If Don Pioli can accomplish one thing in his early tenure with the Chiefs, it would be to improve our conditioning and player development programs. It seems to me that the Chiefs have sucked at both for a long time. Coupled with Herm's "Camp Hugs And Booboo Kisses", it's a wonder any of these guys survived a season. I expect that, should Haley introduce a more aggressive approach to camp, many of our 2nd- and 3rd-year guys will be sucking air as well as Haley's dong in an effort to get more bench time.

FAX
A mod should change Mr. Fax's name to Mr. Wise.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 09:40 AM
Guys like Vrabel don't show up! Turn it around.... yeah right... Vrabel probably doesn't want to be here either. But he doesn't have any options.

Vrabel may show up and play well, but don't give me the leadership and turn things around crap when he doesn't even show up to camp.
Doesn't that leadership thing apply to Brian Waters?

FAX
05-19-2009, 10:04 AM
Guys like Vrabel don't show up! Turn it around.... yeah right... Vrabel probably doesn't want to be here either. But he doesn't have any options.

Vrabel may show up and play well, but don't give me the leadership and turn things around crap when he doesn't even show up to camp.

Please remove the Helm Of Stupidity prior to posting, Mr. kcbubb.

No one knows why Vrabel hasn't shown up for this voluntary camp. They're saying that he's absent for "unspecified reasons". For all we know, he could have a family member in the hospital, or is scouting for Pioli, or is in Texas meeting with Waters.

Seriously, do you honestly believe that we need to worry about Vrabel's attitude or are you one of those peeps who likes to hang out with midgets and play human checkers until the wee hours?

FAX

Raised On Riots
05-19-2009, 10:21 AM
Please remove the Helm Of Stupidity prior to posting, Mr. kcbubb.

No one knows why Vrabel hasn't shown up for this voluntary camp. They're saying that he's absent for "unspecified reasons". For all we know, he could have a family member in the hospital, or is scouting for Pioli, or is in Texas meeting with Waters.

Seriously, do you honestly believe that we need to worry about Vrabel's attitude or are you one of those peeps who likes to hang out with midgets and play human checkers until the wee hours?

FAX

How in the merry hell are we supposed to KNOW anything about Vrabel's attitude when all we have so far is one clearly butt-hurt, post-trade interview?

I thought we had already established that he's at summer camp for kids, yes? I'll hold my tongue regarding Vrabel for now, but if this is what defines "veteran leadership" in the "Patriot Way", no thanks, wasted money, good night Gracie.

kcbubb
05-19-2009, 11:50 AM
Please remove the Helm Of Stupidity prior to posting, Mr. kcbubb.

No one knows why Vrabel hasn't shown up for this voluntary camp. They're saying that he's absent for "unspecified reasons". For all we know, he could have a family member in the hospital, or is scouting for Pioli, or is in Texas meeting with Waters.

Seriously, do you honestly believe that we need to worry about Vrabel's attitude or are you one of those peeps who likes to hang out with midgets and play human checkers until the wee hours?

FAX

Vrabel needs to be at the camp teaching the other OLBs how to play the position. If you don't think Haley and Pioli wants Vrabel at camp, you are very confused.

and scouting for Pioli!!! haha! scouting for what, next years draft??? ROFL

Leaders lead by example and you can't lead and be absent.

Just Passin' By
05-19-2009, 12:00 PM
Vrabel needs to be at the camp teaching the other OLBs how to play the position. If you don't think Haley and Pioli wants Vrabel at camp, you are very confused.

and scouting for Pioli!!! haha! scouting for what, next years draft??? ROFL

Leaders lead by example and you can't lead and be absent.

Vrabel was injured last season, which impacted his performance. It's possible that he's still recovering and doing it someplace other than at the Kansas City facilities.

Of course, there is a more sinister possibility:

Perhaps this was all part of the Evil Belichick's scheme from the very beginning, and Vrabel was never really going to play for the Chiefs. By trading him when they did, the Patriots got the Chiefs to pay his bonus. Now, if the Chiefs release him, he can return to New England and, if he just retires, he's gotten his bonus.

http://www.wvwnews.net/images/teaser/evil%20grin.jpg

FAX
05-19-2009, 12:10 PM
... and scouting for Pioli!!! haha! scouting for what, next years draft??? ROFL ...

Scouting for places to bury the bodies of dumb ass idiots like yourself, Mr. kcbubb. Of course leaders can occasionally be absent. Do you think Vince Lombardi lived in a mud hut on the 50 yard line?

FAX

bdeg
05-20-2009, 12:38 AM
can't find the link but i read he was at some kids football camp, all the pros know conditioning with sugar and caffeine fueled children rubs off on you. he's planning a sprint up(and hopefully down) mt everest next week if all goes according to plan

Raised On Riots
05-20-2009, 01:00 AM
Vrabel was injured last season, which impacted his performance. It's possible that he's still recovering and doing it someplace other than at the Kansas City facilities.

Of course, there is a more sinister possibility:

Perhaps this was all part of the Evil Belichick's scheme from the very beginning, and Vrabel was never really going to play for the Chiefs. By trading him when they did, the Patriots got the Chiefs to pay his bonus. Now, if the Chiefs release him, he can return to New England and, if he just retires, he's gotten his bonus.

http://www.wvwnews.net/images/teaser/evil%20grin.jpg

That possibility being that Pioli has his OWN "Gonzo" in the house that's getting a pass right now. If Vrabel doesn't show to mini-camp, I'm making him my Official Planet Target of Scorn.

Big Deal you say? Let me put it like this; I've been NICE to Matt Cassel. I've been NICE to Herm. I've even acknowledged Carl's contributions and been NICE to him.

This outsider will receive no nice. And it doesn't stop at the Planet. I will Crusade against that motherfucker's old ass up and down the net AND airwaves like Templars cutting down Bedouins 1-2-3 on the way to the Holy Land.

Rookies get breaks. Paid professional veterans whose job has been SPECIFICALLY OUTLINED as a mentor as well as a guaranteed roster spot DO..NOT.

Tribal Warfare
05-20-2009, 01:38 AM
They're saying that he's absent for "unspecified reasons". For all we know, he could have a family member in the hospital, or is scouting for Pioli, or is in Texas meeting with Waters.



Their's a rumor going around that Vrabel ruptured his Achilles at the end last season, and is still recovering from the injury.

Ari Chi3fs
05-20-2009, 01:40 AM
The Chiefs are gonna be HORRIBLE this year. I can feel a 3-13 season... maybe 4-12.

Raised On Riots
05-20-2009, 01:54 AM
Scouting for places to bury the bodies of dumb ass idiots like yourself, Mr. kcbubb. Of course leaders can occasionally be absent. Do you think Vince Lombardi lived in a mud hut on the 50 yard line?

FAX

In Spirit he damn sure did!

Raised On Riots
05-20-2009, 02:13 AM
The Chiefs are gonna be HORRIBLE this year. I can feel a 3-13 season... maybe 4-12.

We'll get the 5, of that I'm sure. Getting 3 more would be a blessing in terms of team morale and getting Pioli the living hell out of the top 10 spot in the draft.

Get 'im OUT! Man does NOT belong there. Not at THIS stage of the game anyhow. This is an evaluation season we're heading in to. We're gonna' find out who among the draftees of the last four years will pop or fizzle.

Our home record should get better if the team can win the home-opener, get one on the road, and come back to Arrowhead to win another. The more fans in Arrowhead making lots of noise, the better our chances for a productive season at home AND on the road.

The main things I'm looking for are individual improvements in terms of knowing, sticking to, and handling assignments, and a monumental execution of the fundamentals of proper NFL defense( tackling at the top of the list ).

crazycoffey
05-20-2009, 02:41 AM
Good fuck. Beisel is our replacement if 900 year old Vrabel goes down. With Tamba on the other side? :deevee:

although, I agree this doesn't sound good, I'm more worried about the back-ups at ILBs should zach or DJ go down.....

crazycoffey
05-20-2009, 02:46 AM
Cassel is going to get killed behind that O-Line unless he learns how to read the D and throw in like .5 seconds

yup, just like thigpen got sacked a billion times last year.

.....oh, wait......

Raised On Riots
05-20-2009, 02:49 AM
yup, just like thigpen got sacked a billion times last year.

.....oh, wait......

Cassel can scramble as well as, if not better, than Thigpen. And he can throw accurately on the run.

crazycoffey
05-20-2009, 03:02 AM
wouldn't shock me at all if Vrabel said f'it and retired...

I'm kind of wondering if that might not be the case as well.

Me too.

The guy is 900 years old, and just was dealt from a Super Bowl contender to a team that has won 15 games in the past 3 seasons.

I'm sure he's fucking thrilled. I mean, who wouldn't want to end their career playing for a loser?

thomas wasn't an anchor and fan beloved player on a multiple superbowl winning team....Vrabel could easily decide he has nothing left to prove....

There was speculation that NE was going to release him (salary) so Pioli and BB worked a deal to save him some face. I would think if he was going to retire he they would have clued him in on the transaction and he would do it then.

That being said, it is a little disappointing because the old guys were brought in to show the new guys "how to work".
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Exactly what I was thinking. He was supposed to bring veteran leadership, so far that is not working out to well.

But Vrabel didn't show up either. WTF's up with that?

He's supposed to be one of our veteran leaders, right?

Guys like Vrabel don't show up! Turn it around.... yeah right... Vrabel probably doesn't want to be here either. But he doesn't have any options.

Vrabel may show up and play well, but don't give me the leadership and turn things around crap when he doesn't even show up to camp.


Please remove the Helm Of Stupidity prior to posting, Mr. kcbubb.

No one knows why Vrabel hasn't shown up for this voluntary camp. They're saying that he's absent for "unspecified reasons". For all we know, he could have a family member in the hospital, or is scouting for Pioli, or is in Texas meeting with Waters.

Seriously, do you honestly believe that we need to worry about Vrabel's attitude or are you one of those peeps who likes to hang out with midgets and play human checkers until the wee hours?

FAX



Jesus fucking christ. Can any of you read more into a vet not being at the first offseason workout? Plus for some of you, this came up twice in the thread;

It looks like he is at camp just not ours......


http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1875278194/Pros-get-one-on-one-with-campers (http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1875278194/Pros-get-one-on-one-with-campers)

That helps some. But it seems he has yet to show, at all, to One Arrowhead Drive. That bothers me some, but who knows, he might come riding in on a white horse soon.

It helps loads, the coaches, first don't care if he's not there, plus they know he was doing something important.

-oh, and he may do great wonders in the locker room, but no way is he coming into arrowhead on a white horse. This place can be so muther freakin trying sometimes.

crazycoffey
05-20-2009, 03:13 AM
Cassel can scramble as well as, if not better, than Thigpen. And he can throw accurately on the run.

Thigpen actually didn't get sacked so much last year....
However, behind NE's great O-ling - Matt Cassell got sacked 47 times last year
Tyler Thigpen got sacked behing our sucky line all of 26 times (avg a bit over 1.5 a game because he played in 14) - the same as kurt warner (played in superbowl)
big ben got sacked 46 times (won superbowl)
bret favre got sacked 30 times
eli manning 27 times
Payton manning 14 times
Brees 13, Cutler 11.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&seasonType=REG&statisticPositionCategory=QUARTERBACK&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=PASSING_SACKED&experience=null&d-447263-n=1&season=2008&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=1&d-447263-p=1

Raised On Riots
05-20-2009, 09:40 AM
Jesus fucking christ. Can any of you read more into a vet not being at the first offseason workout? Plus for some of you, this came up twice in the thread;





It helps loads, the coaches, first don't care if he's not there, plus they know he was doing something important.

-oh, and he may do great wonders in the locker room, but no way is he coming into arrowhead on a white horse. This place can be so muther freakin trying sometimes.

How the fuck do you know that?! Watch Haley interviews lately much? You should. You'll find a recurring theme.
Jeez Coffee, that was just short-bus.

Brock
05-20-2009, 09:47 AM
However, behind NE's great O-ling - Matt Cassell got sacked 47 times last year

NE's offensive line is far from "great". I'm not sure you could even call them good at this point.

crazycoffey
05-20-2009, 10:29 AM
How the fuck do you know that?! Watch Haley interviews lately much? You should. You'll find a recurring theme.
Jeez Coffee, that was just short-bus.

I do, I just don't think it's as critical (vrabel not being at this OTA, when he was doing charity instead) to Todd (or the team) as SEVERAL posters were implying in this thread. Now the rest of the offseason? Sure, it'll start to matter more as everyone is getting onto the same page. Training camp...

crazycoffey
05-20-2009, 10:31 AM
NE's offensive line is far from "great". I'm not sure you could even call them good at this point.


sarcasm + alcohol = misinterpreted....

Coogs
05-20-2009, 03:57 PM
This set of OTA's went on yesterday and today as well as Monday didn't they? I can't believe there hasn't been as much as a peep of information leaked regarding how the practices have gone. Times are a changing I guess! :shrug:

Raised On Riots
05-20-2009, 04:00 PM
This set of OTA's went on yesterday and today as well as Monday didn't they? I can't believe there hasn't been as much as a peep of information leaked regarding how the practices have gone. Times are a changing I guess! :shrug:


You won't know who's on IR anymore either. And, Carl never disclosed details of contracts other than the number of years, and I wonder if we'll even get THAT MUCH out of Pioli.

I really don't care though; just win.