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Cannibal
05-18-2009, 07:13 PM
Despite the $ I'm dropping I'm kind of excited about it, so I thought I'd share.

My old tank type heater is 13 years old, so I am kind of surprised it's still kicking, but I am going to have it replaced with a gas fired tankless unit that is fully modulating (only uses enough gas to heat the water you are using). The heater qualifies for the $1,500 tax credit with the federal stimulus package.

http://www.noritz.com/homeowners/products/view/0751_series_residential_tankless_water_heater/

Then I am replacing my 25+ year old HVAC split system (outdoor condensing unit, the indoor coil and indoor furnace) with an outdoor "package" unit which has a lifetime compressor and heat exchanger warranty. The new package unit also qualifies for the tax credit.

http://www.amana-hac.com/Home/Products/PackagedGasElectric/15SEERAPG15/tabid/578/Default.aspx

The new water heater and HVAC unit is going to free up a TON of space in my basement.

This is one of areas of the stimulus package that I agree with because it gets people to install more energy efficient equipment while at the same time stimulating the economy.

Hog Farmer
05-18-2009, 07:14 PM
Bad choices. You're getting screwed!

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 07:15 PM
Bad choices. You're getting screwed!

LOL.

Up your ass. I did my research.

Skip Towne
05-18-2009, 07:16 PM
I'm getting a weedeater.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 07:17 PM
I'm getting a weedeater.

I already have one of those. They're cool. :D

bevischief
05-18-2009, 07:17 PM
How big is your place?

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 07:18 PM
How big is your place?

Not very large. 2 bed / 2 bath. Maybe 1,000 s.f. on the ground floor and a finished basement. But it's just the wife and I so it is big enough for us.

NCarlsCorner2
05-18-2009, 07:35 PM
Despite the $ I'm dropping I'm kind of excited about it, so I thought I'd share.

My old tank type heater is 13 years old, so I am kind of surprised it's still kicking, but I am going to have it replaced with a gas fired tankless unit that is fully modulating (only uses enough gas to heat the water you are using). The heater qualifies for the $1,500 tax credit with the federal stimulus package.

http://www.noritz.com/homeowners/products/view/0751_series_residential_tankless_water_heater/

Then I am replacing my 25+ year old HVAC split system (outdoor condensing unit, the indoor coil and indoor furnace) with an outdoor "package" unit which has a lifetime compressor and heat exchanger warranty. The new package unit also qualifies for the tax credit.

http://www.amana-hac.com/Home/Products/PackagedGasElectric/15SEERAPG15/tabid/578/Default.aspx

The new water heater and HVAC unit is going to free up a TON of space in my basement.

This is one of areas of the stimulus package that I agree with because it gets people to install more energy efficient equipment while at the same time stimulating the economy.

$1500 is the maximum credit total unless you go with a geothermal system then you get a 30% credit off of whatever you spend.

Dave Lane
05-18-2009, 07:37 PM
How much does the Amana run?

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 07:38 PM
$1500 is the maximum credit total unless you go with a geothermal system then you get a 30% credit off of whatever you spend.

You are correct. I am taking the maximum credit for the HVAC.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 07:43 PM
How much does the Amana run?


The Amana outdoor packaged unit with labor and about 10 feet of new supply and return ductwork to get inside was 7 grand. The price for the Amana included electrical and plumbing hook-up. The Trane was over 8 grand and no electrical or plumbing included in the price and did not have a lifetime compressor or heat exchanger warranty.

NCarlsCorner2
05-18-2009, 07:44 PM
You are correct. I am taking the maximum credit for the HVAC.

The package unit is it a heat pump or A/C.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 07:45 PM
The package unit is it a heat pump or A/C.

It is A/C with a gas heater. Just like a split system but all in one unit outside.

NCarlsCorner2
05-18-2009, 07:49 PM
It is A/C with a furnace. Just like a split system but all in one unit outside.

So it gets 16 SEER and 13 EER, because that's what you need to qualify for the tax credit, did the company that sold you the system give you an ARI Certificate showing you that it qualifies.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 07:54 PM
So it gets 16 SEER and 13 EER, because that's what you need to qualify for the tax credit, did the company that sold you the system give you an ARI Certificate showing you that it qualifies.

It is 15 SEER and 12 EER they gave me the certification that it qualifies.

http://209.235.103.219/portals/1/pdf/Amana%20Tax%20Credit%20Certificate%20Packaged%20Gas%20Electric.pdf

NCarlsCorner2
05-18-2009, 08:00 PM
It is 15 SEER and 12 EER they gave me the certification that it qualifies.

http://209.235.103.219/portals/1/pdf/Amana%20Tax%20Credit%20Certificate%20Packaged%20Gas%20Electric.pdf

I guess package units can have a lower SEER rating than a normal A/C, regular A/C's must get 16 SEER, the certificate they gave you does have an ARI number, just wondering who you bought from because I sell for one of the largest HVAC companies in the KCMO area.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 08:03 PM
I guess package units can have a lower SEER rating than a normal A/C, regular A/C's must get 16 SEER, the certificate they gave you does have an ARI number, just wondering who you bought from because I sell for one of the largest HVAC companies in the KCMO area.

Yes, the outdoor packaged units do not have to meet the same efficiency standards. They are one step lower. But it is still an upgrade from the old unit.

Dan's Heating and Cooling in Wichita.

Cool that you're in the business. I find it interesting.

NCarlsCorner2
05-18-2009, 08:04 PM
Yes, the outdoor packaged units do not have to meet the same efficiency standards. They are one step lower. But it is still an upgrade from the old unit.

Dan's Heating and Cooling in Wichita.

Cool that you're in the business. I find it interesting.

No doubt, what you had was about a 6 SEER.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 08:05 PM
No doubt, what you had was about a 6 SEER.

Can you tell just from how old it is? It was so old that they couldn't even read the tons on the unit.

NCarlsCorner2
05-18-2009, 08:19 PM
Can you tell just from how old it is? It was so old that they couldn't even read the tons on the unit.

pretty much.

gblowfish
05-18-2009, 08:28 PM
I just had an HVAC guy here tonight talking to me about my house. Heat pump isn't a good choice for us. His bid was around $6500 for Lennox or American Standard.
Three more bids yet to come :)

Dave Lane
05-18-2009, 08:32 PM
I just had an HVAC guy here tonight talking to me about my house. Heat pump isn't a good choice for us. His bid was around $6500 for Lennox or American Standard.
Three more bids yet to come :)

The last one will be a treat :)

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 08:32 PM
I just had an HVAC guy here tonight talking to me about my house. Heat pump isn't a good choice for us. His bid was around $6500 for Lennox or American Standard.
Three more bids yet to come :)

Good luck in finding the right system for your house.

Dave Lane
05-18-2009, 08:34 PM
The Amana outdoor packaged unit with labor and about 10 feet of new supply and return ductwork to get inside was 7 grand. The price for the Amana included electrical and plumbing hook-up. The Trane was over 8 grand and no electrical or plumbing included in the price and did not have a lifetime compressor or heat exchanger warranty.

Holy crap they are expensive. I can't imagine over $2500 for HE furnace and compressor combo installed.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 08:37 PM
Holy crap they are expensive. I can't imagine over $2500 for HE furnace and compressor combo installed.

The outdoor condensing unit would be $2500 by itself in a regular spit system because the refrigerant is switching from R22 to R410A. Due to this, you also have to replace the indoor coil when replacing the condensing unit.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 08:39 PM
Believe me, I got prices for just going with a regular split system and using the same ductwork and everything. The cheapest bid I got was around $4,500.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 08:42 PM
R410A refrigerant is kinder to the environment supposedly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-410A

Dave Lane
05-18-2009, 08:43 PM
I guess package units can have a lower SEER rating than a normal A/C, regular A/C's must get 16 SEER, the certificate they gave you does have an ARI number, just wondering who you bought from because I sell for one of the largest HVAC companies in the KCMO area.

You a wholesaler?

Dave Lane
05-18-2009, 08:45 PM
The outdoor condensing unit would be $2500 by itself in a regular spit system because the refrigerant is switching from R22 to R410A. Due to this, you also have to replace the indoor coil when replacing the condensing unit.

No that's all new everything. That's what I'll spend for a 4 ton HE split unit installed not a replacement for my 1500 sqft room addition.

aturnis
05-18-2009, 08:46 PM
Holy crap they are expensive. I can't imagine over $2500 for HE furnace and compressor combo installed.

Who does you're work? Mexicans? I'll pay for they're travel and hotel if they come install mine.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 08:46 PM
No that's all new everything. That's what I'll spend for a 4 ton HE split unit installed not a replacement for my 1500 sqft room addition.

Wow, that's quite a bit cheaper than what I was quoted by several different companies.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 08:47 PM
Who's the manufacturer?

Dave Lane
05-18-2009, 08:50 PM
Who's the manufacturer?

Heil. But I do buy wholesale and have my guys install it. And they could travel to Iowa I think :)

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 08:54 PM
Heil. But I do buy wholesale and have my guys install it. And they could travel to Iowa I think :)

Do you have a Contracting business or something?

aturnis
05-18-2009, 09:14 PM
The heater qualifies for the $1,500 tax credit with the federal stimulus package.

Nevermind.

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 09:17 PM
Where can I find info on this stimulus?

http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=products.pr_tax_credits

Cannibal
05-18-2009, 09:21 PM
Basically, you can recieve up to a $1,500 dollar tax credit for almost any home improvement you do that increases the energy efficiency of your home. But you must send certification that you comply with the Energystar requirements to be elligible to recieve the tax credit.

For example: my new HVAC system has a letter from the manufacturer certifying that it's meets the requirements to be elligible for the tax credit.

http://209.235.103.219/portals/1/pdf/Amana%20Tax%20Credit%20Certificate%20Packaged%20Gas%20Electric.pdf

Dave Lane
05-19-2009, 11:34 AM
Do you have a Contracting business or something?

I do a lot of property management for my own properties.