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alnorth
05-19-2009, 11:09 AM
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http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/teams/20080123/80x60/cle.gif

Cliff Lee 8IP 2R 2ER 0BB 3K
Blown Save, (2); Loss, (1-2) Kerry Wood 0.2IP 4R 4ER 1BB 0K 2HR

VS.

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/teams/20080123/80x60/kan.gif

Brian Bannister 6IP 5R 5ER 1BB 4K 1HR
Horacio Ramirez 2IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Win, (1-3) Kyle Farnsworth 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

Home Runs

CLE

Shoppach (3) - Top 6th, 2-run homer to center

KC

Jacobs (9) - Bottom 9th, solo shot to right
Teahen (5) - Bottom 9th, solo shot to left

Starting Lineups

CLE

1. Asdrubal Cabrera, SS
2. Grady Sizemore, DH
3. Victor Martinez, 1B
4. Shin-Soo Choo, RF
5. Mark DeRosa, 3B
6. Ben Francisco, CF
7. Matt LaPorta, LF
8. Kelly Shoppach, C
9. Luis Valbuena, 2B

KC

1. Coco Crisp, CF
2. Alberto Callaspo, 2B
3. Billy Butler, 1B
4. Jose Guillen RF
5. Mike Jacobs, DH
6. Mark Teahen, 3B
7. Miguel Olivo, C
7. Mitch Maier, pr
8. David DeJesus, LF
9. Willie Bloomquist, SS

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 11:10 AM
And we're back to "normal" ladies and gentlemen. Scare quotes for CP, of course.

Dartgod
05-19-2009, 11:24 AM
I'll be at the game tonight, so someone else will have to tell Pete to shut the fuck up when we're down by two runs in the 3rd inning.

CoMoChief
05-19-2009, 11:50 AM
What's KC's record against Cliff Lee? I would think that its not great.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 11:52 AM
Cliff Lee beat us 5 times last season alone. We made him the CYAW

sedated
05-19-2009, 11:54 AM
IIRC, Lee was struggling this year...until he got to KC last time.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 11:54 AM
If Hillman has Jacobs in the 4 hole tonight, I'll curse him more than usual.

Arsonist
05-19-2009, 12:00 PM
If Hillman has Jacobs in the 4 hole tonight, I'll curse him more than usual.

he gonna stack everyone in the lineup that can bat right handed and have Tehan as the only lefty, just watch

leviw
05-19-2009, 12:15 PM
IIRC, Lee was struggling this year...until he got to KC last time.

Bannister and the Royals beat him 2-0 on April 22 in Cleveland.

KCrockaholic
05-19-2009, 12:21 PM
Bannister and the Royals beat him 2-0 on April 22 in Cleveland.

knowing that we scored only 2 runs doesnt make me feel any better.

SCTrojan
05-19-2009, 12:24 PM
Let's start a winning streak. And then hope Meche and Greinke keep it going.

sedated
05-19-2009, 12:26 PM
Let's start a winning streak. And then hope Meche and Greinke keep it going.

I'd be happy if Meche got 6 innings, 3 runs at this point. He's been far from an ace the few starts.

BigCatDaddy
05-19-2009, 12:51 PM
If Hillman has Jacobs in the 4 hole tonight, I'll curse him more than usual.

His numbers against lefties have to be horrible. I can't believe Hilman batted him cleanup against them last week. He also refuses to PH a righty when the other team brings in a left to face them and our lefty never comes though in the clutch, nor should they have to.

Great Expectations
05-19-2009, 01:04 PM
Teahen might be the worst clutch hitter in MLB.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 01:05 PM
Jacobs this season:

Against RHP: .273/.356/.649

Against LHP: .244/.306/.289

.289 slugging percentage? Are you fucking kidding me?

There should be two hard and fast rules for Jacobs from a manager's perspective: 1. He never plays in the field. 2. He's never in the lineup against a LHP.

kstater
05-19-2009, 02:57 PM
Sheesh, we thought the Royals' Offense was horrible. How bad must your team suck if you have a 3.00 ERA in the middle of May and are only 2-5.

Arsonist
05-19-2009, 03:02 PM
Cleveland is a decent team and Lee got off to a really slow start... I still think we win this one 5-3

petegz28
05-19-2009, 03:20 PM
I'll be at the game tonight, so someone else will have to tell Pete to shut the **** up when we're down by two runs in the 3rd inning.

I'll be at the game too, so just yell loud.

Dartgod
05-19-2009, 03:24 PM
I'll be at the game too, so just yell loud.
Where do you sit? I'm in sect 307 tonight.

Reaper16
05-19-2009, 03:26 PM
I'll be at the game too, so just yell loud.
LMAO

Dartgod
05-19-2009, 03:27 PM
I can just see everyone's face around me (especially the law firm that my wife uses that gave us tickets) when I yell at the top of my lungs, "SHUT THE **** UP, WILL YA PETE?"

petegz28
05-19-2009, 03:31 PM
Where do you sit? I'm in sect 307 tonight.

230

Archie F. Swin
05-19-2009, 04:53 PM
Looking at the standings as of today (before the first pitch)
If the Royals were 20-18 in other other divisions, they would be:
in 5th place in the NL East
in 4th place in the AL East
in 3rd place in the NL East
in 2nd place in the AL West
in 2nd place in the NL West

The AL East is looking quite impressive

petegz28
05-19-2009, 05:00 PM
Off to the ballpark....GO ROYALS!

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 05:09 PM
I can just see everyone's face around me (especially the law firm that my wife uses that gave us tickets) when I yell at the top of my lungs, "SHUT THE **** UP, WILL YA PETE?"

ROFL

alnorth
05-19-2009, 06:12 PM
Top 1st

Cabrera hits a ground-rule double to left
Sizemore flies out to center, Cabrera to third
Martinez singles to left, Cabrera scores
Choo flies out to center
DeRosa strikes out (looking)

1 run, 2 hits

Bottom 1st

Crisp grounds out to shortstop
Callaspo grounds out to shortstop
Butler singles to center
Guillen flies out to center

0 runs, 1 hit

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 06:18 PM
Martinez got that off the fist.. Banny has been up. Way up.

thurman merman
05-19-2009, 06:18 PM
game over. this team can't score against a damn left hander.

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:18 PM
Looking at the standings as of today (before the first pitch)
If the Royals were 20-18 in other other divisions, they would be:
in 5th place in the NL East
in 4th place in the AL East
in 3rd place in the NL East
in 2nd place in the AL West
in 2nd place in the NL West

The AL East is looking quite impressive
If the Royals were in the NL we would be a top ballclub assuming Hillman knew how to play small ball.

VonneMarie
05-19-2009, 06:19 PM
WTF, Bannister? Get your shit in gear.

Pablo
05-19-2009, 06:21 PM
Alright fellas.

Time to get out to that big lead as usual. ROFL

BCD
05-19-2009, 06:23 PM
Awesome! I get to watch the game on the Indians network!

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 06:24 PM
BB with the 2 out 1b.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 06:27 PM
Top 2nd

Francisco grounds out to third
LaPorta strikes out (swinging)
Shoppach singles to center
Valbuena grounds out to second

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 2nd

Jacobs singles to center
Teahen doubles to left, Jacobs scores
Olivo flies into an 8-5 double play, Teahen out at third
DeJesus fouls out to catcher

1 run, 2 hits

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 06:29 PM
That was some nice range. A very nice defensive play by Teahan.

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:29 PM
Wow he hung the shit out of that. Lucky it was foul

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 06:30 PM
Wow he hung the shit out of that. Lucky it was foul

Yes he did. That's the 3rd change up that has been way up.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 06:30 PM
Nice pitch for the out.

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:30 PM
He should just stick with that curve

KCUnited
05-19-2009, 06:34 PM
Like Banny's pace.

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:35 PM
If Banny gets off to a fast start this year we should trade him.

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:36 PM
Nice, Jacobs beats the shift.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 06:39 PM
Nice GAP by Teahan.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 06:39 PM
1st base looks set with Butler
2nd base looks set with Callaspo
shortstop looks set in the short-term with Bloomy
3rd base is ok with Teahen until Moose is ready
catcher is meh but workable
left field is meh with DDJ
center is good short-term with Coco
Guillen is way overpaid and we should still probably trade him
DH is shaky with Jacobs and we should probably trade him if we can too
Starting pitching is looking strong, especially if Hoch pulls his head out
relief is cut and paste every year, as long as Soria is ok we're set.

Our bats are still weak but we have room to breath now.

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 06:40 PM
went with the pitch, beautiful swing

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 06:41 PM
Yes, our base running blunders continue, wtf teahen

KCUnited
05-19-2009, 06:41 PM
wow.

VonneMarie
05-19-2009, 06:41 PM
That was DUMB.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 06:41 PM
Teahan... GD it. There is only one word to describe that play. Dumb.

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 06:41 PM
I know why he ran, DDJ is up now

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:41 PM
Thanks for needlessly moving a runner in scoring position to the bench.

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:42 PM
I know why he ran, DDJ is up now

If DDJ got out at least you still had another out to work. Fek we shoulda bunted him over to third as far as Im concerned.

petegz28
05-19-2009, 06:43 PM
that was as fucking idiotic as it gets
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WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 06:43 PM
IF I were the manager, I would take Teahan down into the tunnel and tell him: "With that base running play, you have just lost the privilege of running on your own".

KCUnited
05-19-2009, 06:44 PM
Lee doesn't give up enough runs to take yourself out of scoring position.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 06:45 PM
If DDJ got out at least you still had another out to work. Fek we shoulda bunted him over to third as far as Im concerned.
You don't bunt a guy over to 3rd if it's gonna give you the 2nd out. A base hit is needed to score them from 3rd then. That same base hit would probably score him from 2nd. You take the 2 shots at getting a base hit. imo.

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:45 PM
You don't bunt a guy over to 3rd if it's gonna give you the 2nd out. A base is needed to score them from 3rd then. That same base hit would probably score him from 2nd. You take the 2 shots at getting a base hit. imo.

I just don't trust Teahen to score on a single from second. JMO.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 06:46 PM
Imagine what our baserunning would look like if Trey didn't stress fundamentals...

alnorth
05-19-2009, 06:47 PM
I just don't trust Teahen to score on a single from second. JMO.

thats just silly, damn near every MLB player this side of Billy Butler scores from second off a solid single

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 06:49 PM
I just don't trust Teahen to score on a single from second. JMO.Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Teahen is one of our fastest base runners.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 06:49 PM
Top 3rd

Cabrera grounds out to first
Sizemore strikes out (swinging)
Martinez grounds out to third

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 3rd

Bloomquist grounds out to shortstop
Crisp flies out to left
Callaspo singles to right, Callaspo out at second 9-6

0 runs, 1 hit

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 06:49 PM
Imagine what our baserunning would look like if Trey didn't stress fundamentals...

Good point

petegz28
05-19-2009, 06:49 PM
Imagine what our baserunning would look like if Trey didn't stress fundamentals...

LMAO
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Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:52 PM
thats just silly, damn near every MLB player this side of Billy Butler scores from second off a solid single

I don't disagree there. I just hate watching Teahen work the bases. He terrifies me.

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 06:52 PM
Is Cliff Lee the Indians ace?

alnorth
05-19-2009, 06:53 PM
I don't disagree there. I just hate watching Teahen work the bases. He terrifies me.

I know that last play didnt look good, but Teahen has generally been one of our best baserunners

alnorth
05-19-2009, 06:53 PM
Is Cliff Lee the Indians ace?

theoretically

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:54 PM
:shake:

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 06:54 PM
Damn i didnt know choo had a gun

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 06:54 PM
We have got to be the dumbest team in the history of MLB

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 06:54 PM
Coco needs to get his average up. A MLB player shouldn't bat .240.

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:54 PM
Rather than stranding runners, we're going to try to make the game go by more efficiently by getting out on the basepaths today.

Silock
05-19-2009, 06:55 PM
WTF? What is UP with our baserunning?

We need some t-ball coaches or something, because we are missing some serious fundamentals.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 06:55 PM
Damn i didnt know choo had a gun

Choo has a great arm. The play was right in FRONT of Callaspo. There's no excuse for this kind of stupid play. None.

BCD
05-19-2009, 06:55 PM
WTF

KCUnited
05-19-2009, 06:55 PM
I'd rather have a guy try to stretch a double with 2 outs, than a dumbass trying to tag to 3rd with 1 out.

VonneMarie
05-19-2009, 06:56 PM
We have got to be the dumbest team in the history of MLB

This

alnorth
05-19-2009, 06:56 PM
Top 4th

Choo flies out to right
DeRosa grounds out to shortstop
Francisco walks
LaPorta singles to center, Francisco scores, LaPorta to second on the throw home
Shoppach flies out to center

1 run, 1 hit

Bottom 4th

Butler strikes out (looking)
Guillen singles to left
Jacobs strikes out (swinging)
Teahen flies out to left

0 runs, 1 hit

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 06:58 PM
"Ball is hit to right..." *Crowd holds their collective breath.... and collectively sighs after Guillen barely avoids falling on his ass making a routine catch.*

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 06:58 PM
Choo has a great arm. The play was right in FRONT of Callaspo. There's no excuse for this kind of stupid play. None.

AC is near the top of the league in doubles...I wonder if he was thinking about that as he was trying to stretch an obvious single into a double...:shake:

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 06:58 PM
I'd rather have a guy try to stretch a double with 2 outs, than a dumbass trying to tag to 3rd with 1 out.

Those two plays were of equal stupidity. One play being dumber than the other, does not make either palatable.

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 07:01 PM
He's not actually going to run. They just wanted to get him dirty.... Well shit.

VonneMarie
05-19-2009, 07:02 PM
Why the fuck did he hesitate? You fucking dumbass!!!!! You fuck!

VonneMarie
05-19-2009, 07:02 PM
Dumbest fucking team ever!

petegz28
05-19-2009, 07:04 PM
I put Callaspo on Koontz. He should haveheld him.
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KCUnited
05-19-2009, 07:05 PM
Those two plays were of equal stupidity. One play being dumber than the other, does not make either palatable.
I disagree. One guy taking a chance to get into scoring position with 2 outs and a guy already in scoring position taking a chance to get to 3rd with 1 out is different, too me anyway.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 07:05 PM
"Ball is hit to right..." *Crowd holds their collective breath.... and collectively sighs after Guillen barely avoids falling on his ass making a routine catch.*
Guillen or Jacobs must be gone for next year, neither should be playing the field.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 07:08 PM
That was ridiculous. It must be difficult comprehending this defense of you're a pitcher.

Let's see. If I induce a two out pop up to short RCF, I can count on my RF waiting for my CF to put in max effort, who will however, miss the catch. My RF, will allow the ball to get past him by just a few steps, whereby the runner at 1st, who will take off with pitch, will round 3rd as my RF, throws the ball to the cutoff man at 2b, who seems to not understand English, or nobody tells him to throw home, so when he finally realizes that the runner isn't breaking stride, throws too late to the plate.

Our pitching staff probably all have daily appointments with Greinke's shrink.

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 07:09 PM
Jacobs swings at a pitch thats roughly at eye level.

BAS
05-19-2009, 07:11 PM
This team can be so frustrating and depressing at times. We have some guys that really make some nice offensive plays, but they often get followed by bad at-bats. It's really not the pitching. We just seem to want to beat ourselves.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:11 PM
pete, where did you get the hat?

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:11 PM
Top 5th

Valbuena bunts an infield single to third
Cabrera bunts an infield single to pitcher, Valbuena to second
Sizemore grounds into a 3-6-3-4-2 double play, Cabrera to second, Valbuena out at home
Martinez grounds out to first 3-1

0 runs, 2 hits

Bottom 5th

Olivo singles to left
DeJesus sacrifices (bunt) to pitcher, Olivo to second
Bloomquist flies out to center, Olivo to third
Crisp grounds out to shortstop

0 runs, 1 hit

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:12 PM
Cleveland executing well there.

petegz28
05-19-2009, 07:12 PM
That was ridiculous. It must be difficult comprehending this defense of you're a pitcher.

Let's see. If I induce a two out pop up to short RCF, I can count on my RF waiting for my CF to put in max effort, who will however, miss the catch. My RF, will allow the ball to get past him by just a few steps, whereby the runner at 1st, who will take off with pitch, will round 3rd as my RF, throws the ball to the cutoff man at 2b, who seems to not understand English, or nobody tells him to throw home, so when he finally realizes that the runner isn't breaking stride, throws too late to the plate.

Our pitching staff probably all have daily appointments with Greinke's shrink.
more of that fundamental baseball
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Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 07:12 PM
Ugh.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:12 PM
Wow. 2 in a row is embarrassing.

BAS
05-19-2009, 07:13 PM
Are they just going to bunt all night? What the hell?

VonneMarie
05-19-2009, 07:13 PM
I hate Cleveland, even the one in Family Guy to.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:13 PM
Are they just going to bunt all night? What the hell?

If you could count on laying down perfect bunts like that on a whim, sure. Not likely

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:15 PM
Olivo mad because his pride was hurt, I believe.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 07:15 PM
Olivo just got punked. Maybe our guys will actually show some spine now.

Blankey
05-19-2009, 07:15 PM
Olivo... get low buddy

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:15 PM
Olivo should have lowered the boom on that sumbitch.

BCD
05-19-2009, 07:16 PM
Why were they booing? The catcher is blocking the plate, Its the runners job to try to knock the ball loose.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 07:16 PM
I disagree. One guy taking a chance to get into scoring position with 2 outs and a guy already in scoring position taking a chance to get to 3rd with 1 out is different, too me anyway.

I'll sum it up by paraphrasing Bob Davis' radio call:

“Line down the right field line, it is…FAIR! Let’s see if he can get to second, the throw is gonna be close….and he is….out by a wide margin.”

Callaspo ran the bases as poorly as Bob Davis follows the game.

BAS
05-19-2009, 07:16 PM
One thing is pretty good: Bannister has his pitch count down. He may make it past the 7th at this rate.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:17 PM
Top 5th

Valbuena bunts an infield single to third
Cabrera bunts an infield single to pitcher, Valbuena to second
Sizemore grounds into a 3-6-3-4-2 double play, Cabrera to second, Valbuena out at home


You dont see that every day

BCD
05-19-2009, 07:17 PM
Olivo just got punked. I don't think so. He got the runner out.

leviw
05-19-2009, 07:17 PM
Why were they booing? The catcher is blocking the plate, Its the runners job to try to knock the ball loose.

I think it was because he stood over Olivo and glared after he ran him over.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 07:18 PM
Why were they booing? The catcher is blocking the plate, Its the runners job to try to knock the ball loose.
Because the bad guy on the other team just ran over the good guy on our team.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 07:18 PM
Miguel thought he was going to lay the wood while tagging high. Instead he got whacked.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:18 PM
I think it was because he stood over Olivo and glared after he ran him over.

Thought he was just looking to see if the ball came loose.

Clean play, IMO.

VonneMarie
05-19-2009, 07:19 PM
It would be awesome if Olivo could hit it out of the park right now.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:20 PM
The fans are being stupid, its part of baseball. I know its not a physical game, but you cant complain about the one and only kind of bone-jarring confrontational play possible in this game.

leviw
05-19-2009, 07:20 PM
Thought he was just looking to see if the ball came loose.

Clean play, IMO.

I don't think it was dirty either. I wouldn't mess with Miguel.

VonneMarie
05-19-2009, 07:20 PM
A single is nice.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 07:20 PM
You dont see that every day

I'm stunned that the players on this team managed to throw the ball to 5 different players (not counting throwing the ball around the horn) without losing it in the OF.

Ari Chi3fs
05-19-2009, 07:20 PM
Pete: Shut Up!

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:21 PM
I'm stunned that the players on this team managed to throw the ball to 5 different players (not counting throwing the ball around the horn) without losing it in the OF.

Me, too.

I thought that was going to be a sure run.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:21 PM
Hate the bunt call.

BigRock
05-19-2009, 07:22 PM
Olivo just got punked.

The runner was out AND the front of his uni has noticable bloodstains.

WINNER: MIGUEL

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 07:22 PM
The fans are being stupid, its part of baseball. I know its not a physical game, but you cant complain about the one and only kind of bone-jarring confrontational play possible in this game.
Stupid or showing loyalty and support to their player?

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 07:22 PM
Okay @ 3rd with 2 out...

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:23 PM
Stupid or showing loyalty and support to their player?

These aren't mutually exclusive.

Did you forget you're on a Chiefs board?

VonneMarie
05-19-2009, 07:23 PM
OMFG this team sucks right now.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2009, 07:24 PM
Groundout 6-3. WTI lets loose with a G Brett stream of invectives.. Yea and F you and F you and F you and F you...

BAS
05-19-2009, 07:25 PM
Great job wasting a runner by hitting the first pitch thrown to you.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:25 PM
Stupid or showing loyalty and support to their player?

the correct reaction is to cheer that you got the out and move on to the next inning. Booing the other player for not giving himself up is stupid, not loyal.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:25 PM
Ok, Hillman's strategy failed there.

Anyone want to bet that he WON'T sac bunt in a nearly identical situation later in the game?

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 07:26 PM
This offense is dogshit

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:26 PM
Ok, Hillman's strategy failed there.

Anyone want to bet that he WON'T sac bunt in a nearly identical situation later in the game?

It would be nice.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:28 PM
It would be nice.

I agree.

But I've never seen a manager who loved to play small ball early but not late, you know...when at least one could make a more defensible argument for it...

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:29 PM
Lack of range glaring there.

BAS
05-19-2009, 07:29 PM
fu$%$!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 07:29 PM
the correct reaction is to cheer that you got the out and move on to the next inning. Booing the other player for not giving himself up is stupid, not loyal.
"the correct ... "?

what a freakin' baseball snob. :eek:


Fan = You look for any reason to boo the other team and cheer your team.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:29 PM
SO or pop up, please.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:30 PM
Had the run at the plate if he wanted him...

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:30 PM
"the correct ... "?

what a freakin' baseball snob. :eek:


Fan = You look for any reason to boo the other team and cheer your team.

How does it make any sense at all to boo the other team for trying to take out your catcher? That would be about as retarded as booing the other team for sacking your quarterback in football. Its his freaking JOB.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:31 PM
Top 6th

Choo singles to center
DeRosa singles to center, Choo to third
Francisco grounds into a 5-4-3 double play, DeRosa out at second, Choo scores
LaPorta hit by pitch
Shoppach homers to center, LaPorta scores
Valbuena strikes out (swinging)

3 runs, 3 hits

Bottom 6th

Callaspo flies out to right
Butler doubles to center
Guillen singles to center, Butler scores, Guillen to second on the throw home
Jacobs grounds out to pitcher, Guillen to third
Teahen pops out to shortstop

1 run, 2 hits

VonneMarie
05-19-2009, 07:31 PM
Game over.

petegz28
05-19-2009, 07:32 PM
Had the run at the plate if he wanted him...

more of the barnyard fundamentals.
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DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:33 PM
more of the barnyard fundamentals.
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If we could muster any offense I'd take the double play in a second, but how pathetically we swing it really gives you pause in that situation.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 07:33 PM
How does it make any sense at all to boo the other team for trying to take out your catcher? That would be about as retarded as booing the other team for sacking your quarterback in football. Its his freaking JOB.
Hell yes, you boo another team for any reason you can think or manufacture, any slight real or imagined.

Booooooo!!!!

WoodDraw
05-19-2009, 07:33 PM
How does it make any sense at all to boo the other team for trying to take out your catcher? That would be about as retarded as booing the other team for sacking your quarterback in football. Its his freaking JOB.

When are fans rational?

If anything, baseball fans are too complacent. Heeey, they video board says clap! Let's clap!

Say what you want about soccer, but at these soccer fans know how to be fans.

Wait, I think the 7th inning stretch is coming up... Will someone show me the lyrics, or are we doing the kiss cam now? :rolleyes:

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:34 PM
Yep.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 07:34 PM
Homer ... Game ovah

KCUnited
05-19-2009, 07:34 PM
Only a matter of time.

BAS
05-19-2009, 07:34 PM
OK, now FU@##@$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BCD
05-19-2009, 07:34 PM
poo

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:35 PM
What a fucking joke.

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 07:35 PM
How does it make any sense at all to boo the other team for trying to take out your catcher? That would be about as retarded as booing the other team for sacking your quarterback in football. Its his freaking JOB.

Agreed...booing the other team for that play is almost like cheering for them. I say cheer your team and ignore the other one as much as possible. Olivo deserves them for surviving a violent collision while holding onto the ball.

Stanley Nickels
05-19-2009, 07:37 PM
You would've thought Hillman would pull Banny after seeing he had no control on his pitches, which is EXACTLY what got him in trouble last time.
Or after he walked the first batter.
Or after the second batter EASILY hit it right down the middle, where he was aiming.

That would make too much sense.

So why pull him after the inevitable two-run homer? Games over, I guess, huh Hillman??

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:38 PM
You would've thought Hillman would pull Banny after seeing he had no control on his pitches, which is EXACTLY what got him in trouble last time.
Or after he walked the first batter.
Or after the second batter EASILY hit it right down the middle, where he was aiming.

That would make too much sense.

So why pull him after the inevitable two-run homer? Games over, I guess, huh Hillman??

Yep, he obviously should have pulled one of our best pitchers after 80-something pitches because he didnt throw well to 2 consecutive hitters. Thats something that anybody would have easily seen without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

I realize that hating Hillman is the cool thing to do these days, but sometimes... just sometimes the players lose the game and its not the manager's fault at all.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 07:38 PM
Agreed...booing the other team for that play is almost like cheering for them. I say cheer your team and ignore the other one as much as possible. Olivo deserves them for surviving a violent collision while holding onto the ball.
How civil of you.

Can someone get this bloke a cup of tea please.

BAS
05-19-2009, 07:40 PM
You would've thought Hillman would pull Banny after seeing he had no control on his pitches, which is EXACTLY what got him in trouble last time.
Or after he walked the first batter.
Or after the second batter EASILY hit it right down the middle, where he was aiming.

That would make too much sense.

So why pull him after the inevitable two-run homer? Games over, I guess, huh Hillman??

He has pitched reasonable for the 5th starter in the rotation. He also has pretty good command and not many walks.

This is a really bad complaint.STFU

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:40 PM
I'm frankly always amazed when Bannister doesn't give up the gopher ball.

Pioli Zombie
05-19-2009, 07:41 PM
I've missed everything so far. Is Guillen playing on the warning track the whole game as usual?
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Stanley Nickels
05-19-2009, 07:41 PM
Yep, he obviously should have pulled one of our best pitchers after 80-something pitches because he didnt throw well to 2 consecutive hitters. Thats something that anybody would have easily seen without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

I realize that hating Hillman is the cool thing to do these days, but sometimes... just sometimes the players lose the game and its not the manager's fault at all.

Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.

WoodDraw
05-19-2009, 07:42 PM
Yep, he obviously should have pulled one of our best pitchers after 80-something pitches because he didnt throw well to 2 consecutive hitters. Thats something that anybody would have easily seen without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

I realize that hating Hillman is the cool thing to do these days, but sometimes... just sometimes the players lose the game and its not the manager's fault at all.

Thank you.

Who do you guys think Bannister is?

Bannister is good, but he's good in that he's a quality back of the line starter.

Hillman did nothing wrong; you guys all just think the Royals are a lot better than they are. There's nothing wrong with that, other than it's going to be a hell of a long season for some of you.

BAS
05-19-2009, 07:42 PM
God I love Billy Butler. If someone else around him could do something, this could be good for us.

Let's get to the bullpen soon!

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:43 PM
Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.

I didnt research you at all because I couldnt care less about whether or not you hated on Hillman in the past. It was a general observation and nothing changes the fact that leaving Bannister in wasnt some kind of mind-blowing stupid idea.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:43 PM
Billy Butler has been impressive in the 3 hole.

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 07:44 PM
Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.

I get your point...But Banny has to get that straightened out and STAT.

WoodDraw
05-19-2009, 07:44 PM
Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.


PROVE IT! PROVE IT!

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:45 PM
Was anyone aware that Jacobs doesn't do too well against LHP?

Stanley Nickels
05-19-2009, 07:45 PM
Thank you.

Who do you guys think Bannister is?

Bannister is good, but he's good in that he's a quality back of the line starter.

Hillman did nothing wrong; you guys all just think the Royals are a lot better than they are. There's nothing wrong with that, other than it's going to be a hell of a long season for some of you.

I'm going to say this one more time, and NOT AGAIN after that. Bannister has a solid history of losing control of his pitches around 80. The bulk of his earned runs fall between 70-100-- and, yes, that's to be expected from pitchers. But it's the MANAGER'S JOB, especially in a one-run game, to know when to bring in his bullpen.

To think otherwise is, well, unwise.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:45 PM
Fuck.

Had him played perfectly.

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 07:46 PM
Damn our offense sucks

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 07:46 PM
I'm going to say this one more time, and NOT AGAIN after that. Bannister has a solid history of losing control of his pitches around 80. The bulk of his earned runs fall between 70-100-- and, yes, that's to be expected from pitchers. But it's the MANAGER'S JOB, especially in a one-run game, to know when to bring in his bullpen.

To think otherwise is, well, unwise.

Then he should not be starting in the majors.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:47 PM
I'm going to say this one more time, and NOT AGAIN after that. Bannister has a solid history of losing control of his pitches around 80. The bulk of his earned runs fall between 70-100-- and, yes, that's to be expected from pitchers. But it's the MANAGER'S JOB, especially in a one-run game, to know when to bring in his bullpen.

To think otherwise is, well, unwise.

If thats true, then he should be in the bullpen. His record says otherwise

WoodDraw
05-19-2009, 07:47 PM
P.S. And Bannister's best start of the year, he gave up [drum roll] 6 walks.

Which isn't to say he's a mystery, as much as he's not a very good pitcher. He's susceptible to everything a pitcher of his type is which is: luck, poor control, and the home run ball. Along with giving up some runs.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:47 PM
How civil of you.

Can someone get this bloke a cup of tea please.

I kind of see it another way. If we are that concerned about Olivo's safety out there on a collision then he's a pansy and should give way to a real man to catch.

Stanley Nickels
05-19-2009, 07:47 PM
Then he should not be starting in the majors.

The funny thing is, lack of control in higher pitch counts is the reason HOCHEVAR was in the minors so long.. until he proved he could sustain his two best pitches up to the 100 mark. Wouldn't have expected it from Banny.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:48 PM
Bannister: susceptible to suck.

petegz28
05-19-2009, 07:48 PM
Teahen hits more fluttering drives....they look good coming off the bat and die quick.
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Stanley Nickels
05-19-2009, 07:49 PM
If thats true, then he should be in the bullpen. His record says otherwise

Yeah. For a guy that went 9-16 in 2008, I would've expected dominance.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 07:50 PM
I kind of see it another way. If we are that concerned about Olivo's safety out there on a collision then he's a pansy and should give way to a real man to catch.
That has exactly what to do with "Booing" the other team as much as you possibly can?

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 07:50 PM
Bannister: susceptible to suck.

When you have pretty much zero stuff that can happen. Jamie Moyer may be the exception

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:50 PM
Yeah. For a guy that went 9-16 in 2008, I would've expected dominance.

or a guy who went 12-9 for a horrible team?

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:51 PM
That has exactly what to do with "Booing" the other team as much as you possibly can?

You hit our catcher! You could have hurt him! You bastard! BOOOOO!

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:52 PM
Top 7th

Cabrera flies out to center
Sizemore pops out to shortstop
Martinez walks
Choo flies out to left

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 7th

Olivo strikes out (swinging)
DeJesus flies out to left
Bloomquist grounds out to shortstop

0 runs, 0 hits

Stanley Nickels
05-19-2009, 07:53 PM
or a guy who went 12-9 for a horrible team?

Quick, name five pitchers who pitch this season more like they did in 2007 than 2008. But if it helps your point, I guess you can select whatever stats you'd like instead of the most recent..

petegz28
05-19-2009, 07:54 PM
Everyone: Shut up with the booing talk. That is what happens at the plate.
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KCUnited
05-19-2009, 07:54 PM
Stand Up And Shooooouuuuutttt!!!

Stanley Nickels
05-19-2009, 07:54 PM
Gotta go to a softball game- go Royals.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:55 PM
Everyone: Shut up with the booing talk. That is what happens at the plate.
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In a surprising twist, pete tells the masses to shut the fuck up.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 07:55 PM
Quick, name five pitchers who pitch this season more like they did in 2007 than 2008. But if it helps your point, I guess you can select whatever stats you'd like instead of the most recent..

point is, if the "fact" that he falls apart after 5 were some universal truth etched in stone, then he shouldnt be starting ever under nearly any circumstances. The Royals obviously believe otherwise, so leaving him in there at the slightest whiff of trouble is not a stupid idea.

Your acting as if we just had two starters go down and we have to bring our long-reliever out for an emergency start.

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 07:55 PM
You hit our catcher! You could have hurt him! You bastard! BOOOOO!

ROFL

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 07:56 PM
In a surprising twist, pete tells the masses to shut the **** up.

ROFLROFLROFL

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:56 PM
I'm going to allude to our offense from henceforth as the "Little Blue Pill."

Some days, however, it's more akin to the "Morning After."

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:57 PM
Olivo no likey sliders.

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 07:58 PM
Everyone: Shut up with the booing talk. That is what happens at the plate.
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STFU n00b

You should be double fisting $10 beers right now

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 07:58 PM
25% of fans voting for the stolen base.

1972 flashback...

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 08:00 PM
DDJ went "Awwwwwww"

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:01 PM
DDJ went "Awwwwwww"

It was because he swallowed his gum and he was working on the PERFECT bubble.

He didn't give a fuck about the pop up.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 08:03 PM
Top 8th

DeRosa grounds out to pitcher
Francisco flies out to left
LaPorta strikes out (looking)

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 8th

Crisp flies out to right
Callaspo flies out to right
Butler flies out to right

0 runs, 0 hits

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:04 PM
alnorth, do you always assign the W and L as the game progresses or are you working reverse mojo?

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 08:08 PM
You hit our catcher! You could have hurt him! You bastard! BOOOOO!
Which has almost nothing to do whether we think our catcher is hurt. It has to do with "yea us, boo them".

alnorth
05-19-2009, 08:09 PM
alnorth, do you always assign the W and L as the game progresses or are you working reverse mojo?

No, not reverse mojo. Thats who would win and lose if the game is rained out and ends right now. Sometimes its confusing when a tie is broken late with relievers out, so I keep track of who is the pitcher of record. I put up an (S) if a reliever comes in for a save situation.

alnorth
05-19-2009, 08:10 PM
Which has almost nothing to do whether we think our catcher is hurt. It has to do with "yea us, boo them".

booing doesnt seem to have anything to do with "yay us" to me. More like "your playing dirty, thats not fair!", but thats just me.

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 08:10 PM
Which has almost nothing to do whether we think our catcher is hurt. It has to do with "yea us, boo them".

But boo them for what? It was the best option available? If he had tried to take out his knees or something, then I say boo away and throw your beers at him too.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:10 PM
No, not reverse mojo. Thats who would win and lose if the game is rained out and ends right now. Sometimes its confusing when a tie is broken late with relievers out, so I keep track of who is the pitcher of record. I put up an (S) if a reliever comes in for a save situation.

That's cool (and a very good idea). Just never noticed, I suppose.

Deberg_1990
05-19-2009, 08:12 PM
He has pitched reasonable for the 5th starter in the rotation. He also has pretty good command and not many walks.

This is a really bad complaint.STFU


This.

Once again the offense fails to show up.

4th and 5th starters are doing fairly well if they hold the other team to 4 or 5 runs.

Especially in the American League.

This teams problem isnt pitching. Its hitting.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 08:13 PM
booing doesnt seem to have anything to do with "yay us" to me. More like "your playing dirty, thats not fair!", but thats just me.ROFL

Have you ever watched the television show "Bones"?

You go, Temperance.

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 08:14 PM
This.

Once again the offense fails to show up.

4th and 5th starters are doing fairly well if they hold the other team to 4 or 5 runs.

Especially in the American League.

This teams problem isnt pitching. Its hitting.

Well we are throwing our 5 at their ace. I'd say this loss would be expected.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Yep.

You're not winning shit by scoring 2 runs. Aside from the general ineptitude at the plate, baserunning mistakes are the other legit gripe for this game.

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 08:15 PM
I'd like to see Grienke tomorrow. He'd have his 4 days of rest and could take his place as the staff ace.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:17 PM
Biiiillllaaaayyyy.

SPchief
05-19-2009, 08:17 PM
NICE play from BIIILLLLAAYYY

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 08:17 PM
But boo them for what? It was the best option available? If he had tried to take out his knees or something, then I say boo away and throw your beers at him too.
Jesus, you boo them because they are the other team!!

Why do you cheer for your team before the game even starts, they haven't done anything? Why do heckle the other team's batter, "hey batter,batter..." was he mean to your mother? Why do we call John Elway "horse face" when his face isn't really part horse?

You guys can't really be this detached from normal fandom, can you?

alnorth
05-19-2009, 08:17 PM
Boooo! You damaged our precious catcher! Boooo!

alnorth
05-19-2009, 08:18 PM
Top 9th

Kyle Farnsworth relieves Ramirez

Shoppach lines out to first
Valbuena grounds out to second
Cabrera flies out to left

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 9th

Kerry Wood relieves Lee

Guillen grounds out to second
Jacobs homers to right
Teahen homers to left
Olivo walks

Mitch Maier runs for Olivo

DeJesus triples to center, Maier scores
Bloomquist sacrifices (fly) to right, DeJesus scores

4 runs, 3 hits

Royals win, 6-5

alnorth
05-19-2009, 08:19 PM
oh please dont let Lee go for the complete game. Bring out your crappy closer.

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 08:20 PM
oh please dont let Lee go for the complete game. Bring out your crappy closer.
What did their closer ever do to you. Don't be so mean.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:21 PM
Farnsworth records 3 outs on 3 softly hit balls.

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 08:21 PM
DDJ nice catch

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 08:22 PM
Jesus, you boo them because they are the other team!!

Why do you cheer for your team before the game even starts, they haven't done anything? Why do heckle the other team's batter, "hey batter,batter..." was he mean to your mother? Why do we call John Elway "horse face" when his face isn't really part horse?

You guys can't really be this detached from normal fandom, can you?

Not really...I watch every pitch of about 100 royals games a year on GameCast. That probably does not equate to normal fandom.

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 08:22 PM
11 straight scoreless innings for farnsy

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 08:25 PM
Thats a strike huh

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 08:28 PM
Good god mike jacobs can homer with the best of them, if he only had plate discipline

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:28 PM
Jacobs tacks on his usual late inning worthless HR.

SPchief
05-19-2009, 08:28 PM
BOOM


And Jacobs is gonna break the Royals HR record this year

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 08:28 PM
I knew it! Shoulda posted it.

Fish
05-19-2009, 08:28 PM
Stayin alive... stayin alive..... ooh ooh ohh ohh stayin aliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive............

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 08:28 PM
HR TEAHEN!

SPchief
05-19-2009, 08:29 PM
BOOM

Teahen!!

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:29 PM
Jacobs tacks on his usual late inning worthless HR.

Well, don't listen to this fucking moron.

Nice, Teahen.

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 08:29 PM
Well, don't listen to this ****ing moron.

Nice, Teahen.

ROFL

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:29 PM
Chick with enormous tits.

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 08:30 PM
Cmon Olivo!

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 08:30 PM
Just needed to see a righty aparently.

SPchief
05-19-2009, 08:30 PM
Olivo wanted that one

alnorth
05-19-2009, 08:30 PM
Given Wood's hilarious struggles this year, and that Lee didnt have a pitch count all that high, this could go down as a pretty stupid move.

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:31 PM
Cool.

SPchief
05-19-2009, 08:31 PM
Here we go

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 08:31 PM
C'mon DDJ have a good AB here!

Fish
05-19-2009, 08:31 PM
DDJ... come on homie.....

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:31 PM
DDJ better not hit into his patented DP.

Chiefless
05-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Didn't bite on the slider this time

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Nice move by Hillman.

SPchief
05-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Shit sit on them until he throws a strike

VonneMarie
05-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Double play DeJesus...

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Tie game!

SPchief
05-19-2009, 08:32 PM
TIE FUCKING GAME!!!!

Sure-Oz
05-19-2009, 08:32 PM
FUCK YA DDJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REDEMPTION B ITCHESSSSSSSSSs

DeezNutz
05-19-2009, 08:33 PM
HUGE! HUGE!

Sorry, was looking at my penis.

BAS
05-19-2009, 08:33 PM
DDJ!!! Nice clutch hit!

Fish
05-19-2009, 08:33 PM
Tied up motherfuckers...... Go Royals!

Mr. Krab
05-19-2009, 08:33 PM
triple, game tied!! PBJ

Nightfyre
05-19-2009, 08:33 PM
WOOOO LETS SEE THAT SQUEEZE MOFOS!