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Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2009, 08:21 PM
http://kan.scout.com/2/866494.html

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">How much do we really know about the Chiefs’ new defense?
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Yes, we know it will involve the 3-4 formation, that Tyson Jackson will start at one defensive end spot, that Zach Thomas (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307556) will play inside linebacker, that it may be awhile before the Chiefs start stopping anyone consistently.

But, really – what do we know, for sure? We’re dealing with a whole new world here. There hasn’t been a 3-4 defense in Kansas City since Gunther Cunningham started experimenting with Derrick Thomas in the “Falcon.” The 4-3 has been a way of life at Arrowhead for a long, long time.

As fans who aren’t privy to the playbooks at One Arrowhead Drive, what do we really know? Todd Haley and Clancy Pendergast may end up completely taking us all by surprise this season, and hopefully a few of their opponents along the way. But that doesn’t mean we can’t try to figure things out ourselves in the months before September.

One thing we do know is that the Chiefs will run some of the hybrid 3-4/4-3 schemes implemented by Pendergast in Arizona a year ago. But whose brain do we pick? Fortunately, we don’t have to do any actual brain-picking ourselves – Pro Football Weekly (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/NFC/NFC+West/Arizona/Features/2008/wwhi013009.htm) took care of it for us in January.

In an interview with Cardinals linebacker coach Bill Davis (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2977686), PFW’s Eric Edholm explored the intricacies of what is described as a “4-3 Under” defense. Davis was kind enough to explain the vital positions within the defense, the responsibilities each is assigned, and how it all fits together.

1. The Middle Linebacker – In Arizona’s scheme, this player has to be stout, able to take on offensive linemen, get off blocks and make plays in the running game. The Cardinals employed Gerald Hayes (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4249410) (6-foot-1, 246 pounds) in this role.

2. The Weakside Linebacker – The Cardinals needed a fast, explosive player who could get up the field in a hurry and bring down the ball carrier. The defense was set up to “protect” this player, so he wouldn’t have to deal with blockers. The Cardinals used Karlos Dansby (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4218177) (6-foot-4, 250 pounds) in this role.

3. The Predator – Essentially a pure pass rusher for the Cardinals, designed to constantly occupy the left offensive tackle. Arizona lined up Bertrand Berry (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4249281) (6-foot-3, 260 pounds) and Travis LaBoy (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4249464) (6-foot-3, 254 pounds) in two-point stances, however, giving the appearance of a fourth linebacker on the field.

So now the only question is, how does it all fit together in Kansas City? We know the Chiefs have viable 3-4 defensive linemen in Jackson, Tank Tyler and Alex Magee (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4106676). Where do the Chiefs find their versions of Hayes, Dansby, Berry and LaBoy, if indeed that’s what they need?

It’s actually fairly obvious.

Having arrived in Kansas City and finding no fireplug middle linebacker who could resist offensive linemen and play a vital role inside, Scott Pioli (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3933332) went out and signed Zach Thomas, who has made a career of butting heads in the trenches. At 5-foot-11 and 242 pounds, Thomas’ physique clearly isn’t all that different from Hayes.’

Can Derrick Johnson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307508) be the “fast, athletic” linebacker positioned next to Thomas? That’s exactly where the Chiefs are placing him. Might he play a role similar to that of Dansby’s?

While Dansby has achieved more than Johnson they are comparable players in terms of talent. Interestingly enough, one of Dansby’s supposed weaknesses – not unlike one of Johnson’s – is his inability to shed blocks. Hence, the need for a scheme that frees him up to run unimpeded to the ball. And again, Johnson’s skillset is not dissimilar to Dansby’s, at 6-foot-3 and 242 pounds, with speed to burn.

If KC’s new scheme were to “set Johnson free,” so to speak, it might lead him to the new contract he’s undoubtedly hoping for. Dansby not only led the Cardinals in tackles last year (in both the regular season and playoffs), he tied for second on the team in sacks, forced two fumbles, grabbed two interceptions, had five passes defensed and led the team in tackles for loss. Naturally, he was slapped with the franchise tag.

Finally, we have “The Predator.” In Arizona, this position was described by Davis as “almost always rushing the passer.”

What else does Tamba Hali (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307451) do well, anyway? This role might just be tailor-made for Hali since, you know, covering tight ends isn’t exactly his strong suit. And if Hali has dropped weight as reported earlier this offseason, he may not look much different than Berry or LaBoy. Hali’s experience as a standup pass rusher might just come in handy if he’s to be KC’s “Predator.”

In fact, in an interesting turn of events, Hali lined up at that exact spot in OTAs on Monday – right outside linebacker. Perhaps it was only because of Mike Vrabel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307561)’s absence (he played both right and left outside linebacker in New England), but it also might indicate that the Chiefs believe Hali has some potential as their “Predator.”

So, what do we now know about the 2009 Chiefs’ defense? Perhaps nothing more than we did 700 words ago, but we can definitely speculate and see where the pieces might fit in Kansas City if Arizona’s “4-3 Under” is to be installed. Now we just have to hope it yields a defense ranked a little higher than 28th, as the Cardinals did in 2008.

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booger
05-21-2009, 08:24 PM
In that 43 under that 'Zona ran it will be interesting on the predator or rushLB. Hali always seemed more compfortable off the left side but Vrabel i think will be best there over the TE.

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2009, 08:26 PM
In that 43 under that 'Zona ran it will be interesting on the predator or rushLB. Hali always seemed more compfortable off the left side but Vrabel i think will be best there over the TE.

You know now that I think about it the Predator position sort of puts Hali between a rock and a hard place. Asking him to play SSLB and cover tight ends is a really bad idea. Asking him to beat left tackles is a bad idea, too.

booger
05-21-2009, 08:32 PM
You know now that I think about it the Predator position sort of puts Hali between a rock and a hard place. Asking him to play SSLB and cover tight ends is a really bad idea. Asking him to beat left tackles is a bad idea, too.

Somewhat of a same situation in the past with the DE's. Guys like Browning, Hicks, Holliday,etc all perfect LE's before we got the RE in Allen.

I like seeing how Tamba has dropped weight though. When he was drafting he came in with a good attitude like when you hear most of these picks talk for the first time. He was all about being able to play about 255-275 depending on what the team wanted. That and his issues with being flat footed and having foot problems took away his legs. He'll have to play away from the TE IMO and could play on the RT's on passing downs with TE split out or multi WR sets.

Dylan
05-21-2009, 09:03 PM
LDE The kid, Jackson, NT Tyler, RDE Dorsey
LOLB Hali, ILB Thomas/Williams, ROLB Vrabel

Done

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2009, 09:06 PM
What happened to DJ, Dylan?

Delano
05-21-2009, 09:11 PM
Thank you for bolding the important parts, Clayton.

Dylan
05-21-2009, 09:14 PM
Claythan:

I'll to go back & look at the roster -- read a thing or two about him --from there I'll try & make an educated guess... edumacated :D

chiefs1111
05-21-2009, 09:15 PM
What happened to DJ, Dylan?

He must be busy at the moment trying to figure out if his poop sinks or floats

Dylan
05-21-2009, 09:20 PM
Claythan:

you don't want to rotate him?

Sometimes, the guys you start out with, are not there at the end...

depth wins championships... just saying

i'll read...

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2009, 09:28 PM
Who, DJ? Hali?

OctoberFart
05-21-2009, 09:33 PM
Too bad GOQUEER lacks any real football X's and O knowledge to have an intelligent football conversation. His only indepth knowledge is spitting out stats and numbers. Proven fact over and over. If he spent a little time researching instead of posting everyminute of his life away on a message board he could have some real knowledge.

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2009, 09:39 PM
Yes, thank you for that copy and paste of your other 1,172 posts, AutumnFart.

Raised On Riots
05-21-2009, 11:16 PM
Yes, thank you for that copy and paste of your other 1,172 posts, AutumnFart.

I think "Autumn Fart" is a much more fitting name for the Faiders theme song.

"Vaginal Yeast Wind" has a nice pop too.

"Downwind From Al's Depends"?

Oh yes! Print it.

Saccopoo
05-21-2009, 11:25 PM
Brian Johnston

RedThat
05-21-2009, 11:44 PM
Brian Johnston

He's the real darkhorse

MoreLemonPledge
05-21-2009, 11:45 PM
http://www.dark-horse.ca/images/main_photo.jpg

Reaper16
05-21-2009, 11:45 PM
Brian Johnston
What does that pic of Jason Dunn have to do with Brian Johnston?

lostcause
05-21-2009, 11:59 PM
You know now that I think about it the Predator position sort of puts Hali between a rock and a hard place. Asking him to play SSLB and cover tight ends is a really bad idea. Asking him to beat left tackles is a bad idea, too.

Kid can beat a LT. And I also believe -against the purveying wisdom of this board that he can play OLB in a 3-4 scheme and be successful.

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2009, 12:07 AM
Kid can beat a LT.

He sure didn't last year.

He disappeared against even the greenest of left tackles.

MoreLemonPledge
05-22-2009, 12:08 AM
Greg Ellis is available. We could just add him and have the oldest LB crew ever.

lostcause
05-22-2009, 12:16 AM
He sure didn't last year.

He disappeared against even the greenest of left tackles.

Sure, but thats the only year in his career (college or pros) that it happened... If you didn't notice it was contagious among all Chief's pass rushers as well. He can play, one year notwithstanding... And he can play OLB in the 3-4.

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2009, 12:17 AM
Sure, but thats the only year in his career (college or pros) that it happened...

Gee, the only year he plays against left tackles he disappears.

Do you think that was coincidence?

lostcause
05-22-2009, 12:23 AM
Fair enough, last year was rough as a premiere pass rusher. However, he still did lead the team in sacks - for what its worth. He has the tools to do it.

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2009, 12:47 AM
He has the tools to do it.

Since when?

In what universe?

Raised On Riots
05-22-2009, 12:49 AM
Greg Ellis is available. We could just add him and have the oldest LB crew ever.

Eat my doo-doo.

Raised On Riots
05-22-2009, 12:51 AM
Since when?

In what universe?

The one where Hali proclaims The Power of Grayskull?

MoreLemonPledge
05-22-2009, 01:31 AM
The one where Hali proclaims The Power of Grayskull?

http://www.vempire.net/he-man.jpg

Raised On Riots
05-22-2009, 01:35 AM
http://www.vempire.net/he-man.jpg

ROFL My god; it's like Emo Williams meets Benny Hill.

Reppers!

bdeg
05-22-2009, 02:12 AM
it'd be nice to find out exactly what tamba can do when he's healthy for a full season

but i like the idea of brian johnston

chiefs1111
05-22-2009, 02:21 AM
I hope the defense finally learns how to tackle..

kcbubb
05-22-2009, 08:57 AM
who's going to cover Antonio Gates or any legit TE???

bdeg
05-22-2009, 09:11 AM
Page/Morgan, DJ, or the nickel back

CoMoChief
05-22-2009, 11:00 AM
I hope the defense finally learns how to tackle..

If they havent by now they never will. These fuckers have been playing football pretty much their whole lives. They should know how to tackle.

Raised On Riots
05-22-2009, 11:11 AM
If they havent by now they never will. These fuckers have been playing football pretty much their whole lives. They should know how to tackle.

Now that they are no longer under tutelage of Cunther The Fraud, they will tackle and tackle consistently as if a light switch was suddenly turned on in their heads.

CoMoChief
05-22-2009, 12:21 PM
Now that they are no longer under tutelage of ****her The Fraud, they will tackle and tackle consistently as if a light switch was suddenly turned on in their heads.

I really doubt it was Gunther who caused our players to miss tackles. Coaches don't play, players do.

MOhillbilly
05-22-2009, 12:39 PM
it'd be nice to find out exactly what tamba can do when he's healthy for a full season

but i like the idea of brian johnston

Didnt know that hali had a prosthetic arch put into his feet.

interesting.

That said i think in two years KC fans will be nuclear over a decade and a half of wasted or non draft picks. Tamba hali? get fuckin real.

MOhillbilly
05-22-2009, 12:40 PM
I really doubt it was Gunther who caused our players to miss tackles. Coaches don't play, players do.

could be gun/herm was so shit scared of injury they didnt practice full contact all that much.

bdeg
05-22-2009, 12:45 PM
you're probably right. i'd be the first to say the predator spot needs to be upgraded
i should've said as healthy as he can be

kcbubb
05-22-2009, 01:18 PM
I really doubt it was Gunther who caused our players to miss tackles. Coaches don't play, players do.

I agree. You can't blame everything on the coaches.

Raised On Riots
05-22-2009, 02:11 PM
I agree. You can't blame everything on the coaches.

You can blame everything on Cunther; it's a scientific fact.