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Tribal Warfare
05-22-2009, 11:47 PM
Derrick Johnson discussing the scheme change (http://videos.kansascity.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=4217848)

SBK
05-23-2009, 12:20 AM
Maybe in a different scheme he'll look like a different LB. It would be nice for a couple of guys, especially him, to flourish in our new scheme--it would be almost like getting extra draft picks.

booger
05-23-2009, 04:19 AM
well, he's played the slb well in his early years then last year was supposed to be him on the wlb and then moved to the mlb.

More than likely he'll be protected or stacked behind a 3 tech like dorsey and magee. I think he could also be a good stand up edge rusher once in a while as well. As it always has been is his consistancy issues and taking it to the next level. He should have extra motivation in the last year of his contract as well. I hope the vets like Vrabel and Thomas lite him up when needed.

whoman69
05-23-2009, 10:44 AM
I still believe that DJ has not shown even a fraction of what he is capable of. Time to take the handcuffs off.

Deberg_1990
05-23-2009, 10:55 AM
I still believe that DJ has not shown even a fraction of what he is capable of. Time to take the handcuffs off.



heh, no....i think we have seen all of pretty much whats he capable of. Hes in his 5th or 6th year right??

He will most likely be protected somewhat with better players around him.

He is what he is...

KcFanInGA
05-23-2009, 11:09 AM
I can't wait to see our D without Gunther that's for sure, and I'm hoping either Pendergast works out well or we get a bigt name like Crennel next year. Im just ready to watch some damn football :)

buddha
05-23-2009, 11:20 AM
What freaking hand cuffs has DJ been wearing? Somehow he was forced to be a bad tackler, show mediocre effort at best, and stick to blocks like crazy glue? Please?

milkman
05-23-2009, 11:28 AM
DJ is the perfect example of why cover backer is a position of minimal value.

buddha
05-23-2009, 11:30 AM
No position is of minimal value on either side of the ball.

The fact is that DJ just isn't a very good player.

Tribesman
05-23-2009, 11:37 AM
I still believe that DJ has not shown even a fraction of what he is capable of. Time to take the handcuffs off.

DJ is a serviceable LB, that's it. He OCCASIONALLY shows flashes of very goodness. His play to me is more like that of a 2nd round pick.

milkman
05-23-2009, 11:37 AM
No position is of minimal value on either side of the ball.

The fact is that DJ just isn't a very good player.

I disagree.

On this team, lacking talent on the line, he's incapable of being the kind of player he could be if he had players in front of him that kept blockers off him.

Even if he were better at shedding blocks, he would still have to shed those blocks in order to get into position to make a tackle, and we'd be bitching that he wasn't making tackles until ballcarriers had gained 5 or 6 yards.

Kawika Mitchell didn't magically get better through coaching with the Giants.

He appeared to get better because he had better players in front of him.

If DJ played for a team like the Bucs of a few years ago, he'd look like Derek Brooks.

keg in kc
05-23-2009, 11:55 AM
DJ's been a good linebacker. He just hasn't been a great linebacker, and met the expectations of the spot he was drafted. The revolving door of failed defensive line picks certainly hasn't helped, nor has the fact that he plays a position of minimal perceived impact, nor has the fact that he (and everyone else on defense) has had inept coaching and coordinating his entire time as a pro. He's all of 26 years old, 27 in November, so the book may not be closed. We'll see.

Chocolate Hog
05-23-2009, 03:11 PM
He'll be a good inside 3-4 LB sideline to sideline

BigChiefFan
05-23-2009, 03:24 PM
This defensive position should allow him to perform at a greater level. I see this move helping DJ shore up his overall play and becoming an upper-echelon LBer in the league.

Halfcan
05-23-2009, 03:30 PM
No position is of minimal value on either side of the ball.

The fact is that DJ just isn't a very good player.

:rolleyes:

Hard to put up monster stats when you have to cover a tight end all game. Gun never used him right.

Chocolate Hog
05-23-2009, 03:32 PM
:rolleyes:

Hard to put up monster stats when you have to cover a tight end all game. Gun never used him right.

So he should have been blitzing the QB? In order to be a good blitzer don't you have to shed blocks?

bowener
05-23-2009, 03:35 PM
Maybe in a different scheme he'll look like a different LB. It would be nice for a couple of guys, especially him, to flourish in our new scheme--it would be almost like getting extra draft picks.

Or we can pretend that we traded away our decent but not great LB, for one that looks the same and has the same name, only plays a lot better.

edit:

After watching the video our newly acquired LB that we got for swapping DJ doesn't look quite the same, this new one looks relieved to be playing a LB position where he has more freedom to roam and use his speed and physical gifts like he did in college.

Blick
05-23-2009, 04:41 PM
I liked how DJ said it's similar to what he did in college. Hopefully that means he'll make more plays. I have high hopes for him. I think he can definitely do what Dansby did for Arizona. With his talent, he could be better.

Tribal Warfare
05-23-2009, 05:04 PM
http://www.nfl.com/stats/team

looking at the sheer statline The Cardinals didn't do too bad in the Pendergast system. So I don't know why people are bitching about concerning who's calling the plays for the defense.

Touchdown Bowe
05-23-2009, 05:09 PM
Derrick Johnson has talent..but going to college at Texas (aka home of the bust) and being poorly coached under Gunther over the last several years hasnt helped him develop into a true NFL linebacker.

Halfcan
05-23-2009, 05:52 PM
DJ has done everything Gun asked him to do. He is a class act and a great player. This can't shed block talk left over from the draft is just retarded.

milkman
05-23-2009, 07:26 PM
So he should have been blitzing the QB? In order to be a good blitzer don't you have to shed blocks?

With his speed, he can be an effective blitzer, but he's not a guy that should be going after the QB on a regular basis.

milkman
05-23-2009, 07:29 PM
DJ has done everything Gun asked him to do. He is a class act and a great player. This can't shed block talk left over from the draft is just retarded.

No it isn't retarded.
DJ is not a physical player.

If he is engaged by a blocker then he is effectively neutralized.

In order to be effective, he needs the line in front of him to occupy blockers so he can run to the ballcarrier.

googlegoogle
05-23-2009, 07:37 PM
Above average player.

That's about all.

He was drafted because of his 40 time and size.

Tribal Warfare
05-23-2009, 07:38 PM
Above average player.

That's about all.

He was drafted because of his 40 time and size.

He was also the Butkus Award winner, and once talked about being the number one overall player taken in the '05 draft.

Nightfyre
05-23-2009, 07:49 PM
No it isn't retarded.
DJ is not a physical player.

If he is engaged by a blocker then he is effectively neutralized.

In order to be effective, he needs the line in front of him to occupy blockers so he can run to the ballcarrier.

Just like every other LB'er in the league. Its hard to move guys that are 100 pounds up on you.

milkman
05-23-2009, 07:51 PM
Just like every other LB'er in the league. Its hard to move guys that are 100 pounds up on you.

True.

But there are some who are better at shedding blocks than others.

DJ's strength is his speed and ability to move in space.

Nightfyre
05-23-2009, 07:54 PM
True.

But there are some who are better at shedding blocks than others.

DJ's strength is his speed and ability to move in space.
So he should be more effective in a two-gap 3-4 if the scheme is correctly implemented. Just my take.

milkman
05-23-2009, 07:56 PM
So he should be more effective in a two-gap 3-4 if the scheme is correctly implemented. Just my take.

Agreed.

So what are we arguing about?

Nightfyre
05-23-2009, 07:58 PM
Agreed.

So what are we arguing about?

I dunno. Thats what I was realizing when I was typing my last post.

milkman
05-23-2009, 08:15 PM
I dunno. Thats what I was realizing when I was typing my last post.

LMAO

keg in kc
05-23-2009, 08:35 PM
But there are some who are better at shedding blocks than others.You hear that "shedding blockers" thing a lot, but, really, how many star linebackers can we come up with that don't play behind a line that keeps their jerseys clean. We've had a total of two talented defensive players here in the last ten years. It's been Allen, DJ and a bunch of other guys. That's not the kind of talent that's going to make any linebacker shine.

milkman
05-23-2009, 08:46 PM
You hear that "shedding blockers" thing a lot, but, really, how many star linebackers can we come up with that don't play behind a line that keeps their jerseys clean. We've had a total of two talented defensive players here in the last ten years. It's been Allen, DJ and a bunch of other guys. That's not the kind of talent that's going to make any linebacker shine.

Yes, but some of these guys can get off of blocks easier than others.

For all of our bitching about Donnie's tackling, he was actually pretty good about shedding blocks.

keg in kc
05-23-2009, 08:57 PM
Yes, but some of these guys can get off of blocks easier than others.

For all of our bitching about Donnie's tackling, he was actually pretty good about shedding blocks.The fact that his name is often brought up is one great example of just how awful the talent has been here for so long.

Christ, we're talking about Kawika Mitchell "getting away". Our notable defensive line escapees, Allen aside, are frickin Terdell Sands and Vonnie Holliday. Not one quality defensive tackle has been on the field here in the time I've followed the team (Dorsey gets an incomplete...). Allen's been the only good end. The linebacker position, DJ aside, has been a revolving door of suck. Cornerback, until last year if the draft picks hold up, has been worse.

And we talk about Derrick Johnson like he's supposed to be ray nitzke despite that, and like the "can't shed blocks" thing is what's been holding this team back. It's like Trent Green in 2001: was that year a sign that he was a horrible quarterback that could never do anything, or was that year a sign of what a quarterback is going to look like with no blocking, no receivers and a running game that wasn't defined until halfway through the year?

That's how I look at DJ. How good can anybody realistically look playing linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs circa 1999-2008...

I'm curious to see what he looks like in 2009 and 2010. Maybe it won't be any different at all.