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Huffman83
05-24-2009, 02:54 PM
That guy needs to learn how to slide when he scrambles. He does seem to have a nice touch on short/med routes as well.

Anyone else watching?

Jethopper
05-24-2009, 02:57 PM
Ship!

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 02:57 PM
Thanks for posting thread! I can't start threads so I was trying my darndest to get out the word.
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Mr. Krab
05-24-2009, 02:58 PM
Meh, the more i see of Cassel the less impressed i am with him. Lots of handoffs and short passes, any pass beyond 10 yards is shaky..

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 02:58 PM
LMAO

Some commercial just showed Turley and Sippio in red.

Hope Sippio was DVRing.

MoreLemonPledge
05-24-2009, 03:00 PM
No NFL Network...

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:02 PM
I agree. It kind of reminds me of Huard. Good touch but no rocket.

It's interesting to see the Jets own the Pats.

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:02 PM
Wow, did Cassel bring the Pats back from 24-6 down?

Amazing.

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:04 PM
This game is on again later tonight, FYI. I plan to cap it.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:05 PM
Yup...I'm almost 100% sure he's going to get taken out of a game because he'll take a hit rather than slide. At least he's not a nancy boy!

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 03:06 PM
Cassel to Gaffney twice. Pretty nice throws.
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Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:08 PM
nice pass to Gaffney for the TD!

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 03:08 PM
Gee. I thought he only threw to Moss and Welker?
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Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:08 PM
Cassel just made a fucking AWESOME TD throw. A rocket thrown in the perfect spot to a guy who was covered when he released the ball.

And that ball had some ZIP on it. I'm talking MIRACLE WHIP!

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:13 PM
There is nothing wrong with Cassel's arm whatsoever.

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 03:16 PM
Is the same garbage they said about Brady in 2001 and 2002. He had a weak arm. But I'd watch him game after game zipping it in there. Same with Cassel. His arm is just fine.
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Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 03:17 PM
How about that improv to Welker?
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Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:18 PM
It's not like looking at Croyle's throw's (when he did play.) And go...shit!!! But it's not bad, but not great either.

His pats receivers make him look pretty good. It looks like he's got good pocket presence though. He's pretty elusive in the backfield.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:20 PM
How about that improv to Welker?
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I really like Welker. Such a good reciever.

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 03:21 PM
It's not like looking at Croyle's throw's (when he did play.) And go...shit!!! But it's not bad, but not great either.

His pats receivers make him look pretty good. It looks like he's got good pocket presence though. He's pretty elusive in the backfield.
Brodie Croyle? Um, ok then.
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Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:21 PM
24-21

Cassel got two TDs pretty quick. I don't think Moss caught one ball. Welker caught a couple.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:23 PM
Brodie Croyle? Um, ok then.
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Go on the classic game website and watch him throw screen passes.

There's always too much on the ball.

Mr. Krab
05-24-2009, 03:25 PM
24-21

Cassel got two TDs pretty quick. I don't think Moss caught one ball. Welker caught a couple.
Moss caught 2, both were short "sitdown" routes for 7/8 yrds over the middle.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:27 PM
Another slide....

How many yards did he have rushing for christ sake?

ohhhhhh would have been a great TD if moss had a rocket up his ass.

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:27 PM
Tie game. Matt Montana has brought the Pats back!

Mr. Krab
05-24-2009, 03:28 PM
You know who Cassel sort of reminds of? Jeff Garcia.

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:28 PM
Another slide....

How many yards did he have rushing for christ sake?

ohhhhhh would have been a great TD if moss had a rocket up his ass.

62 yds rushing.

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 03:29 PM
Go on the classic game website and watch him throw screen passes.

There's always too much on the ball.
Ok. I thought you were saying Cassel wasn't as good as Brodie Croyle.
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Kyle DeLexus
05-24-2009, 03:29 PM
He had a nice scrample, a horrible overthrown ball to Moss on a deep route and then tried to scramble for another first and fell short there. With more experience and time to work on getting his accuracy on the deep ball he could make a lot of people look foolish on here.

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:30 PM
You know who Cassel sort of reminds of? Jeff Garcia.

I don't see that at all. Garcia is like 6-1 and 200 lbs, maybe.

Cassel is very unique, IMO. There are not many 6-4, 230lbers with his kind of foot speed. His mobility is a little reminiscent of Ben Roethlisberger, perhaps.

Mr. Krab
05-24-2009, 03:30 PM
He had a nice scrample, a horrible overthrown ball to Moss on a deep route and then tried to scramble for another first and fell short there. With more experience and time to work on getting his accuracy on the deep ball he could make a lot of people look foolish on here.
I'm undecided on Cassel. I hope he's great, i just haven't seen it yet.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:32 PM
looks like 270 total yards for the season. Thigpen was at 386.

KC didn't give nearly as many sacks as the pats did this last year. Interesting huh?

Mr. Krab
05-24-2009, 03:32 PM
I don't see that at all. Garcia is like 6-1 and 200 lbs, maybe.

Cassel is very unique, IMO. There are not many 6-4, 230lbers with his kind of foot speed. His mobility is a little reminiscent of Ben Roethlisberger, perhaps.
I didn't say he physically resembled Garcia. I think he sorts of plays like Garcia though.

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:32 PM
I'm undecided on Cassel. I hope he's great, i just haven't seen it yet.

He's better than fucking Thigpen.

Kyle DeLexus
05-24-2009, 03:33 PM
I'm undecided on Cassel. I hope he's great, i just haven't seen it yet.

That's exactly where I'm at. I'm hoping and see potential, but it all depends on how he progresses with the experience he has gotten.

Mr. Krab
05-24-2009, 03:33 PM
He's better than ****ing Thigpen.
Not 14 million better so far.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:34 PM
He seems a lot more cool headed in the pocket. Less panic than Thigpen.

You know who we're not paying attention to? Vrabel.

But then gain we're not seeing him make plays.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:35 PM
Also....Cassel can at least see over the line of scrimmage during the play.

One thing Thiggy couldn't do.

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:36 PM
Not 14 million better so far.

Salary is irrelevant. The Chiefs have oodles of cap room.

If Cassel gets 14 mil this year, no big deal.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:37 PM
You know what's disapointing? New Englands crowd.

You can't hear them at all!

Mr. Krab
05-24-2009, 03:37 PM
He seems a lot more cool headed in the pocket. Less panic than Thigpen.

You know who we're not paying attention to? Vrabel.

But then gain we're not seeing him make plays.
True, but then again Cassel has alot more experience and better coaching.

Kyle DeLexus
05-24-2009, 03:38 PM
Salary is irrelevant. The Chiefs have oodles of cap room.

If Cassel gets 14 mil this year, no big deal.

This is true, we have to spend the minimum.

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 03:38 PM
This game is the perfect answer to people who thinl last years Patriots were a 16-0 team if Brady was there and that somehow Cassel played them down to 11-5.
As you can see their defense is not good. 3 other of the losses the defense sucked too. Only the Colt loss would have been different. For a kid to step in after not playing and take the team to almost where Brady would have showed something.
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Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:39 PM
True, but then again Cassel has alot more experience and better coaching.

I just don't see Cassel running around like he's saying "Blow the whistle!!! Blow the whistle!!!!!

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:41 PM
Damn, Kris Jenkins just TORE UP Logan Mankins.

Pats o-line = overrated

Mr. Krab
05-24-2009, 03:41 PM
Cassel is having to deal with quite a bit of pressure in this game.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:43 PM
hey....clock management!!!! Wow!!!!

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:43 PM
Wow, 1 minute for Cassel to go 60 yards...lets see how he does it!

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:43 PM
A lot of those sacks have to do w/ Cassel taking his time.

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 03:45 PM
Cassel looks like Brady on this drive.
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Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:45 PM
ohhhhhhhh I don't remember how this ended. but the tv guide says 14 min left.

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:45 PM
Cassel just checked it down for the most part....but at least he hit the receivers so they could make plays.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:46 PM
badass...avoids the sack to pass the tying TD.

Mr. Krab
05-24-2009, 03:46 PM
Cassel saved his best throw of the game for the last one.

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:47 PM
First player since 1970 to have 400 yards passing,60 yards rushing in one game.

TO THE 'SHIP!

And Cassel throws a perfect pass on the run....BANG! SMOKES TY LAW!

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:47 PM
I really don't think it was a TD. But that works.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:48 PM
First player since 1970 to have 400 yards passing,60 yards rushing in one game.

TO THE 'SHIP!

And Cassel throws a perfect pass on the run....BANG! SMOKES TY LAW!

That was Law wasn't it??

Shit!

Just Passin' By
05-24-2009, 03:48 PM
First player since 1970 to have 400 yards passing,60 yards rushing in one game.

TO THE 'SHIP!

And Cassel throws a perfect pass on the run....BANG! SMOKES TY LAW!

One of only 5 QBs in NFL history to have back to back 400 yard passing games

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 03:48 PM
Cassel just checked it down for the most part....but at least he hit the receivers so they could make plays.
It sounds easy but that's what seperates the good ones. That's what Brady, Montana, and Roethisburger did/do.
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Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:50 PM
One of only 5 QBs in NFL history to have back to back 400 yard passing games

DESTINY!

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 03:51 PM
And now the defense loses the game.
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Just Passin' By
05-24-2009, 03:52 PM
DESTINY!

Well, 3 of the others are greats: Fouts, Marino and Simms. The 4th, though, is Billy Volek, so it's not quite a guarantee of greatness. It is some pretty good company to be in, though.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:54 PM
Looks like mr Moooomentum...may be changing his address.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 03:58 PM
Jay feely....pshhhh.

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 03:59 PM
Cassel did everything in his power to win that game. The defense let him down.

Huffman83
05-24-2009, 04:00 PM
All in all....Cassel was impressive. Good game.

Mr. Krab
05-24-2009, 04:02 PM
Cassel

15+ yards passes(in air) - 2
10-15 yrd passes (in air) - 6

Just Passin' By
05-24-2009, 04:55 PM
Cassel

15+ yards passes(in air) - 2
10-15 yrd passes (in air) - 6

So what? You take what the coverage gives you. The Jets were doubling Moss for most of the game.

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 05:54 PM
It sounds easy but that's what seperates the good ones. That's what Brady, Montana, and Roethisburger did/do.
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Fresh jizz-napkin good sir? Oh; you missed a spot! :rolleyes::D

Tuckdaddy
05-24-2009, 06:18 PM
All in all....Cassel was impressive. Good game.

There is nothing wrong with Cassel. He was a monumental pick up and gives us a chance for the future. He's got the physical tools, cool in the pocket and can make sound decisions on where to go with the ball. Build the defense and give him a ground game and we will be back in the playoffs.

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 06:23 PM
There is nothing wrong with Cassel. He was a monumental pick up and gives us a chance for the future. He's got the physical tools, cool in the pocket and can make sound decisions on where to go with the ball. Build the defense and give him a ground game and we will be back in the playoffs.

Careful. There are those here who don't want the Chiefs to go to playoffs unless there is a gaurantee from God almighty that for sure they will win the Super Bowl. If you can't be 100 percent absoltely sure that they will definately win the Super Bowl they consider the playoffs a bad thing to be avoided at all costs because it might cost them a couple of spots in the draft.
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Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 06:23 PM
Cassel did everything in his power to win that game. The defense let him down.

I sense an upcoming and recurring theme; BP can't do it all, young Wendler!;)ROFL

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 06:26 PM
Careful. There are those here who don't want the Chiefs to go to playoffs unless there is a gaurantee from God almighty that for sure they will win the Super Bowl. If you can't be 100 percent absoltely sure that they will definately win the Super Bowl they consider the playoffs a bad thing to be avoided at all costs because it might cost them a couple of spots in the draft.
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Incorrect PZ! You go to the playoffs, you better be ready to fucking play, and you better BELONG THERE.

Squeaking in to the post-season on a cunt-hair, Herm Edwards-style, does NOT a worthy team make!

This is not my opinion, this is straight-up motherfucking FACT.

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 06:27 PM
I sense an upcoming and recurring theme; BP can't do it all, young Wendler!;)ROFL

I am going to document every missed tackle by that motherfucker this year.

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 06:28 PM
I am going to document every missed tackle by that motherfucker this year.

And I'll document every singular saved touchdown, young Wendler!

Count Zarth
05-24-2009, 06:29 PM
And I'll document every singular saved touchdown, young Wendler!

Whatever. That's called doing his job. It's not noteworthy.

Missing tackles is called fucking it up.

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 06:33 PM
Whatever. That's called doing his job. It's not noteworthy.

Missing tackles is called fucking it up.

When everyone else is missing assignments, fucking up all around you, and you're the lone badass saving the day;

NOTEWORTHY IT IS!

And I trust you'll be taking plenty of notes this year. In fact, I KNOW you will.

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 06:36 PM
Incorrect PZ! You go to the playoffs, you better be ready to fucking play, and you better BELONG THERE.

Squeaking in to the post-season on a cunt-hair, Herm Edwards-style, does NOT a worthy team make!

This is not my opinion, this is straight-up motherfucking FACT.

Of course you bring up the extreme just squeek in scenario. How about your 11-5 or 12-4 team such as the 2000 Ravens, 2001 Patriots,2005 Steelers,2007 Giants who people didn't think were "worthy" going into the playoffs but got hot and went all the way. If you don't get in the playoffs you can't win the playoffs
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Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 06:42 PM
Of course you bring up the extreme just squeek in scenario. How about your 11-5 or 12-4 team such as the 2000 Ravens, 2001 Patriots,2005 Steelers,2007 Giants who people didn't think were "worthy" going into the playoffs but got hot and went all the way. If you don't get in the playoffs you can't win the playoffs
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YOU set-up the "extreme" scenario; I simply followed through. If you have 11+ wins, you belong and you have a chance.

If you go in on 10, pray and be thankful.

If you go in on 9 or less; GTFO.

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 06:52 PM
YOU set-up the "extreme" scenario; I simply followed through. If you have 11+ wins, you belong and you have a chance.

If you go in on 10, pray and be thankful.

If you go in on 9 or less; GTFO.

Well.....ok then

How many wins did Arizona have though?
I don't think Cardinal fans are pissed the team barely made the playoffs. Just sayin.....
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Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 06:55 PM
Well.....ok then

How many wins did Arizona have though?
I don't think Cardinal fans are pissed the team barely made the playoffs. Just sayin.....
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Statistical anomaly much? Just sayin'...:D

Pioli Zombie
05-24-2009, 07:03 PM
I know Chiefs fans were burned by the 13-3 teams but you can never convince me its ever better to not make the playoffs than to make them.
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Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 07:08 PM
I know Chiefs fans were burned by the 13-3 teams but you can never convince me its ever better to not make the playoffs than to make them.
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If it's any consolation, I hope we play well enough from here on out so that we never see top 10 position in the draft ever again in my lifetime.;)

BigMeatballDave
05-24-2009, 08:08 PM
If you go in on 9 or less; GTFO.
Dumbass. I believe the Cards were in the SB, and had a good shot at winning.

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 08:18 PM
Dumbass. I believe the Cards were in the SB, and had a good shot at winning.


Statistical anomaly much? Just sayin'...:D

Repost.

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 08:18 PM
Reading the WHOLE thread is generally a good move.

BigMeatballDave
05-24-2009, 08:29 PM
Reading the WHOLE thread is generally a good move.
Whatever. There are over 80 posts here. I post as I go. Maybe you should check stats before you post. The SB was just a few months ago...

Just Passin' By
05-24-2009, 08:33 PM
Whatever. There are over 80 posts here. I post as I go. Maybe you should check stats before you post. The SB was just a few months ago...

WTF are you talking about? How many 9 win teams have won the Super Bowl since the season expanded to 16 games? I don't agree with ROR on the 9 win issue, but he's got a point about the general futility of 9 win teams, and he also has a point about reading the thread before making stupid posts.

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 08:35 PM
Whatever. There are over 80 posts here. I post as I go. Maybe you should check stats before you post. The SB was just a few months ago...

Okay Dave, I'll play along with you and we'll just ignore the statistical anomaly regarding the Cards that I pointed out which you missed or ignored.

Let me put it THIS way:

The day the Chiefs go to a Super Bowl on a 9 win regular season is the day I fly to Akron Ohio, where you apparently live, and let you film me happily kissing your ass for post on Chiefs Planet.

BigMeatballDave
05-24-2009, 08:40 PM
WTF are you talking about? How many 9 win teams have won the Super Bowl since the season expanded to 16 games? I don't agree with ROR on the 9 win issue, but he's got a point about the general futility of 9 win teams, and he also has a point about reading the thread before making stupid posts.I never said anything about winning the SB. He said 9-win teams should GTFO. I disagree. How was it stupid? I didn't see that someone responded to that post in particular. I'm not wading thru 90 posts just to make sure I didn't repost. Change your fucking tampon.

Reerun_KC
05-24-2009, 08:52 PM
Okay Dave, I'll play along with you and we'll just ignore the statistical anomaly regarding the Cards that I pointed out which you missed or ignored.

Let me put it THIS way:

The day the Chiefs go to a Super Bowl on a 9 win regular season is the day I fly to Akron Ohio, where you apparently live, and let you film me happily kissing your ass for post on Chiefs Planet.

I will personally fly you to Akron...

The day the Chiefs please the True fans to the tune of 9-7 and win a superbowl because they made some noise in the playoffs, I would be winning to spend the $$$ to fly you up there and let you kiss his ass...

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 08:54 PM
I will personally fly you to Akron...

The day the Chiefs please the True fans to the tune of 9-7 and win a superbowl because they made some noise in the playoffs, I would be winning to spend the $$$ to fly you up there and let you kiss his ass...

ROFL

DESTINY AWAITS!!! LMAOLMAOLMAO

Just Passin' By
05-24-2009, 08:55 PM
I never said anything about winning the SB. He said 9-win teams should GTFO. I disagree. How was it stupid? I didn't see that someone responded to that post in particular. I'm not wading thru 90 posts just to make sure I didn't repost. Change your ****ing tampon.

You're the one who jumped into the thread without knowing what the hell was going on.

BigMeatballDave
05-24-2009, 08:59 PM
You're the one who jumped into the thread without knowing what the hell was going on.Gee, I'm sorry I violated your rules.

BigMeatballDave
05-24-2009, 09:05 PM
I will personally fly you to Akron...

The day the Chiefs please the True fans to the tune of 9-7 and win a superbowl because they made some noise in the playoffs, I would be winning to spend the $$$ to fly you up there and let you kiss his ass...I'm not a 'True Fan'. BTW, what difference does it make what record the Chiefs have if they make the play-offs? Granted, the odds are not good to go all the way with 9 wins, they weren't good for the Steelers a few yrs ago when they were the 6th seed at 10-6.

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 09:09 PM
I'm not a 'True Fan'. BTW, what difference does it make what record the Chiefs have if they make the play-offs? Granted, the odds are not good to go all the way with 9 wins, they weren't good for the Steelers a few yrs ago when they were the 6th seed at 10-6.

YOU set-up the "extreme" scenario; I simply followed through. If you have 11+ wins, you belong and you have a chance.

If you go in on 10, pray and be thankful.

If you go in on 9 or less; GTFO.

Ugh.

BigMeatballDave
05-24-2009, 09:18 PM
Ugh.Seriously? A difference of One fucking win? I have zero problems with a team making the playoffs with 9 wins.

BigMeatballDave
05-24-2009, 09:21 PM
YOU set-up the "extreme" scenario; I simply followed through. If you have 11+ wins, you belong and you have a chance.

If you go in on 10, pray and be thankful.

If you go in on 9 or less; GTFO.Also, as the Chiefs have proven, its difficult to make it all the way on 13 wins.

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 09:24 PM
Seriously? A difference of One fucking win? I have zero problems with a team making the playoffs with 9 wins.

I have ZERO problem with the Chiefs making it to the playoffs on 8 wins!

What are their chances of winning the Super Bowl at that point in their "Magical Fucking Journey to 8 and 8", Dave????

God Motherfucking DAMNIT THIS BOARD SOME DAYS!!!! :cuss:

Does anyone else want to take over Special Ed class???? I'm done!!! :cuss::shake:

BigMeatballDave
05-24-2009, 09:51 PM
I have ZERO problem with the Chiefs making it to the playoffs on 8 wins!

What are their chances of winning the Super Bowl at that point in their "Magical Fucking Journey to 8 and 8", Dave????

God Motherfucking DAMNIT THIS BOARD SOME DAYS!!!! :cuss:

Does anyone else want to take over Special Ed class???? I'm done!!! :cuss::shake:
I NEVER SAID IT WAS EASY. Obviously, the odds are stacked against you with 9 wins. Look what happened to the Pats at 16-0. Its never easy. As far as 8 wins goes, I think the minimum wins for a playoff birth should be 9.

Just Passin' By
05-24-2009, 10:14 PM
I'm not a 'True Fan'. BTW, what difference does it make what record the Chiefs have if they make the play-offs? Granted, the odds are not good to go all the way with 9 wins, they weren't good for the Steelers a few yrs ago when they were the 6th seed at 10-6.

The Steelers have won the Super Bowl twice this decade, in 2005 and 2008. In 2008, they had 12 wins. In 2005, they had 11 wins. Only the Giants have won with 10 wins this decade:

BigMeatballDave
05-24-2009, 10:28 PM
The Steelers have won the Super Bowl twice this decade, in 2005 and 2008. In 2008, they had 12 wins. In 2005, they had 11 wins. Only the Giants have won with 10 wins this decade:You're right. I was thinking they only won 10 in '05.

TRR
05-24-2009, 11:20 PM
To me, it's about intangibles. Can your QB bring a team together, and lead? The world is short on gifted, well rounded QB's like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

You look at Trent Green as the perfect example. He wasn't overly athletic, and his arm was average at best. But his teammates respected him, and Green put in the work to make himself better, and building relationships with his teammates. I see a lot of Green in Cassel. However, Cassel is much more physically gifted than Green.

The bottom line is that this team is a work in progress. Haley needs to get Cassel a couple more weapons, and Cassel needs a bit of time to get to know the offense. This team is far from done being built.

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 11:29 PM
To me, it's about intangibles. Can your QB bring a team together, and lead? The world is short on gifted, well rounded QB's like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

You look at Trent Green as the perfect example. He wasn't overly athletic, and his arm was average at best. But his teammates respected him, and Green put in the work to make himself better, and building relationships with his teammates. I see a lot of Green in Cassel. However, Cassel is much more physically gifted than Green.

The bottom line is that this team is a work in progress. Haley needs to get Cassel a couple more weapons, and Cassel needs a bit of time to get to know the offense. This team is far from done being built.

This. Like I said before, I'll know where the Pioli/Haley Chiefs stand in terms of where they can go and what they're capable of at the end of year three.

As far as Cassel goes, if he is as good as or even better than Gannon; there's really nothing to complain about. I don't want to start yet another tired debate about Green vs Gannon, but it is what it is, and Rich was the better guy. Definitely better at evading the pass-rush and throwing on the run. Cassel can do that too from what I've seen, and God knows he'll get plenty practice at it this year, so I hope he just grows with the team and gets better and better.

BigMeatballDave
05-24-2009, 11:42 PM
I don't know how I truely feel about Cassel at this point. He may only be a step above Thig. We'll see. I'm rooting for him.

MIAdragon
05-24-2009, 11:50 PM
I'm not a 'True Fan'. BTW, what difference does it make what record the Chiefs have if they make the play-offs? Granted, the odds are not good to go all the way with 9 wins, they weren't good for the Steelers a few yrs ago when they were the 6th seed at 10-6.

I dont agree IIRC I read someplace that there was only a .14 correlation between a teams regular-season record and its playoff record. Let me see if I can find that study.

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 11:53 PM
I don't know how I truely feel about Cassel at this point. He may only be a step above Thig. We'll see. I'm rooting for him.

With Cassel, it's all about the starts and the reps. For a guy who practically warmed a bench his whole career, he had an amazing season last year.

We know he's intelligent enough to work a sophisticated system, and we know he's got leadership abilities.
Now, it's about how much further can he grow? What is his ceiling in all phases of the position? This is what we will be finding out over the next two seasons.

Raised On Riots
05-24-2009, 11:55 PM
I dont agree IIRC I read someplace that there was only a .14 correlation between a teams regular-season record and its playoff record. Let me see if I can find that study.

Was it written by Carl Peterson? :D

MIAdragon
05-24-2009, 11:55 PM
Was it written by Carl Peterson? :D

LMAO here it is, IMO its a good read.

http://community.advancednflstats.com/2008/12/trying-to-predict-playoffs-forget-about.html

Raised On Riots
05-25-2009, 12:06 AM
LMAO here it is, IMO its a good read.

http://community.advancednflstats.com/2008/12/trying-to-predict-playoffs-forget-about.html

Interesting article, Mr. Dragon. He was trucking along pretty good until he stubbed his own toe replying to questions;


Home field advantage is a confounding element because it is based on playoff seeding, which is tied closely to regular season records. Home teams won 52 of 80 playoff games, or 65%. That is higher than the regular season home team win rate of about 60%.

The win rate of 65% for teams with a better record and the 65% home team win rate suggest that regular season records do mean something in the playoffs.

At least he's honest. Good read, and Rep!

Pioli Zombie
05-25-2009, 07:31 AM
So again. Please explain to me how not making the playoffs is better than making the playoffs.
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Mr. Krab
05-25-2009, 09:47 AM
How many posts does it take ROR to turn a thread into a clusterfuck.

JASONSAUTO
05-25-2009, 09:51 AM
He had a nice scrample, a horrible overthrown ball to Moss on a deep route and then tried to scramble for another first and fell short there. With more experience and time to work on getting his accuracy on the deep ball he could make a lot of people look foolish on here.

WATCH THAT play again 10 yards downfield moss was grabbed and jerked off route

crazycoffey
05-25-2009, 09:53 AM
I'm undecided on Cassel. I hope he's great, i just haven't seen it yet.


do you have this copyied on your clipboard so you can just hit "paste" whenever a discussion comes up about cassel?

LaChapelle
05-25-2009, 09:53 AM
His number has already been more than cut in half by coming to KC.

JASONSAUTO
05-25-2009, 09:58 AM
next week they are showing the miami game on NFLN

Mr. Krab
05-25-2009, 10:00 AM
do you have this copyied on your clipboard so you can just hit "paste" whenever a discussion comes up about cassel?I don't recall ever saying it before Mr. Coffey, perhaps you have me mixed up with another poster.

Tuckdaddy
05-25-2009, 01:42 PM
WATCH THAT play again 10 yards downfield moss was grabbed and jerked off route

I saw it. If Moss would have been able to keep running he would have caught it.

MoreLemonPledge
05-25-2009, 01:45 PM
WATCH THAT again moss was grabbed and jerked off

FYP

Raised On Riots
05-25-2009, 03:12 PM
So again. Please explain to me how not making the playoffs is better than making the playoffs.
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Cinderella is more effective as a children's book than a mojo bag for a team with talent deficiency?
The most grueling four quarters you'll ever watch, resulting in the inevitable?

How many posts does it take ROR to turn a thread into a clusterfuck.

About as many as it takes for you to jump in to a legitimate conversation in this thread and piss me off?
Asshole?