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jAZ
05-27-2009, 10:28 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/flashback-george-hw-bush-on-clarence-thomas-great-empathy.php?ref=fpblg

Flashback: George H.W. Bush On Clarence Thomas' 'Great Empathy'
By Brian Beutler - May 27, 2009, 9:49AM

Conservatives have curiously decided that one of the best ways to battle Obama's first Supreme Court nominee is by declaring a war on empathy. When he described his criteria for selecting a replacement for Justice David Souter, Obama said, "I will seek someone who understands that justice isn't about some abstract legal theory or footnote in a casebook, it is also about how are laws effect the daily realities of peoples lives.... I view that quality of empathy, of understanding and identifying with peoples' hopes and struggles, as an essential ingredient for arriving at just decisions and outcomes."

This is, apparently, a bridge too far for conservatives, and, at least in the minds of some on the right, political gold. But while they continue to mock the idea--and while the media by and large passes their objections along uncritically--they seem to have forgotten that one conservative Justice was also sold to the public as a man of great empathy.

"I have followed this man's career for some time," said President George H.W. Bush of Clarence Thomas in July 1991. "He is a delightful and warm, intelligent person who has great empathy and a wonderful sense of humor."

The Thomas confirmations ultimately became the stuff of legend--but not because Democrats decided to go all in on attacking Thomas' "empathy."

Dave Lane
05-27-2009, 10:30 AM
He was a commie! Damn socialist I tell you!

Ultra Peanut
05-27-2009, 10:35 AM
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

wild1
05-27-2009, 10:54 AM
It's funny - libs all said Clarence Thomas's personal story didn't matter, it was about ideology. Thomas didn't fit the template for a minority - he wasn't blindly beholden to identity politics, which are all the democratic part is about today.

And Obama opposed Alito and Roberts even though he said they were well qualified, because it was about ideology.

Now it's about this woman's "tremendous personal story".

All that strife she faced in her life I'm sure is what they are referring to. I hear that life can be pretty tough on you at Princeton and Yale.

Pitt Gorilla
05-27-2009, 11:04 AM
It's funny - libs all said Clarence Thomas's personal story didn't matter, it was about ideology. Really? Libs "all" said that?

BigRedChief
05-27-2009, 11:44 AM
Really? Libs "all" said that?
It's the commuism thing. Brainwashed, you know.

Donger
05-27-2009, 12:04 PM
I love the fact that one of the first things liberals do when confronted with a new drama is to go and see if their opponents have ever done the same.

BigRedChief
05-27-2009, 12:07 PM
I love the fact that one of the first things liberals do when confronted with a new drama is to go and see if their opponents have ever done the same.
It's just too easy. Hypocrites abound in politics on both sides of the isle.

Donger
05-27-2009, 12:12 PM
It's just too easy. Hypocrites abound in politics on both sides of the isle.

Well, I don't know that Bush made empathy one of his deciding reasons for Thomas. We do know that Obama had it as a requirement.

Pitt Gorilla
05-27-2009, 12:15 PM
I love the fact that one of the first things liberals do when confronted with a new drama is to go and see if their opponents have ever done the same.Yeah, but, Clinton...

Chief Henry
05-27-2009, 12:25 PM
So let me get this right. Its now OK to treat this lady the way Clarence Thomas was treated ?

Donger
05-27-2009, 12:33 PM
Yeah, but, Clinton...

Bush seems to be speaking about Thomas having empathy as a man, not as a judge. At the very least, it seems that Obama made it a requirement for his pick:

"We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."

2bikemike
05-27-2009, 12:33 PM
Well, I don't know that Bush made empathy one of his deciding reasons for Thomas. We do know that Obama had it as a requirement.

Really, Bush also said he had a sense humor. How do we know that wasn't the more important quality. IMHO the position requires someone who can correctly interpret the laws. Life experiences and feeling have no place in judicial rulings.

BigRedChief
05-27-2009, 12:33 PM
Well, I don't know that Bush made empathy one of his deciding reasons for Thomas. We do know that Obama had it as a requirement.
Why would a corporate legal buddy want empathy for the saps who buy their products? Their loyalty is to the bottom line, not the U.S.

I don't understand how its seen as okay to put forth Roberts and Alito as "good" choices even though they are to the far right of mainstream thinking. But if we had a far left justice as far left as Roberts and Alito are far right it would be the end of the world.

blaise
05-27-2009, 12:34 PM
Really? Libs "all" said that?

Yeah, just like conservatives are all suppsedly up in arms about empathy.

KC Dan
05-27-2009, 01:57 PM
I'm already sick of this nomination political game by both sides. Righties: ask your questions, contemplate her answers and vote. Just like Obama and the lefties did with Alito and Roberts, if you don't want her on the court (most likely for idealogical or political point reasons) - vote: No. Done deal

ClevelandBronco
05-27-2009, 02:06 PM
...empathy...

Guess what. We have very different definitions of empathy.

Ultra Peanut
05-27-2009, 02:11 PM
I love the fact that one of the first things liberals do when confronted with a new drama is to go and see if their opponents have ever done the same.Step 1. Conservatives make a big deal about one word.
Step 2. Oops, other conservatives have used the very same word as a positive in the past.
Step 3. Conservatives accuse liberals of playing games.

BigRedChief
05-27-2009, 02:14 PM
I'm already sick of this nomination political game by both sides. Righties: ask your questions, contemplate her answers and vote. Just like Obama and the lefties did with Alito and Roberts, if you don't want her on the court (most likely for idealogical or political point reasons) - vote: No. Done deal
I would like to see no voting for a nominee except for qualifications. No family lawyers etc.

Politics/Idealogy doesn't matter. We had a vote and election already. When you vote you should (and most do) that the President you are voting for will also be selecting the person for the Court(if there is an opening). The duly elected president gets to select whoever they want and the Senate only confirms they have the background/education to be on the court.

But alas that will never be again....Every nominee wil be a battle from here on out.

KC Dan
05-27-2009, 02:25 PM
I would like to see no voting for a nominee except for qualifications. No family lawyers etc.

Politics/Idealogy doesn't matter. We had a vote and election already. When you vote you should (and most do) that the President you are voting for will also be selecting the person for the Court(if there is an opening). The duly elected president gets to select whoever they want and the Senate only confirms they have the background/education to be on the court.

But alas that will never be again....Every nominee wil be a battle from here on out.I mostly agreee that the Senate does have advise and consent so there should be a good vetting of any potential candidate. And, if during that process info comes out that changes "yes" votes to "no" so be it. But, poor qualifications and preconceived positions that differ with settled law should be negatives that lean votes to "no" noit political wind directions... I hated this with Thomas and all the rest and I already hate it again this time. Vote or get out of Congress and stop playing games with my money. If she is qualified and is reasonable, move on.
Korea (#1), Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and the economy need attention and right the "F" now. What the hell is our gov't doing about these problems other than nothing, written statements, kicking the cans down the road or hoping that problems disappear. Instead, we will hear daily news commenting about the nominees' progress and next to nothing about these other issues. Reporters today suck badly....

Taco John
05-27-2009, 04:16 PM
It's just too easy. Hypocrites abound in politics on both sides of the isle.


Unfortunately, this is true on big islands too.

BucEyedPea
05-27-2009, 04:24 PM
It's the commuism thing. Brainwashed, you know.

Visa versa is more like it.

Velvet_Jones
05-27-2009, 09:28 PM
It's the commuism thing. Brainwashed, you know.

Hehehe - dumbass BRC lecturing about being brainwashed. Hehehe - classic.

|Zach|
05-27-2009, 09:30 PM
Hehehe - dumbass BRC lecturing about being brainwashed. Hehehe - classic.

Hyphen.

Velvet_Jones
05-27-2009, 09:31 PM
Step 1. Conservatives make a big deal about one word.
Step 2. Oops, other conservatives have used the very same word as a positive in the past.
Step 3. Conservatives accuse liberals of playing games.

Step 1. UP had a bad childhood.
Step 2. He uses this as a reason to say stupid things.
Step 3. Everyone is against UP because he had a bad childhood not that he is just stupid.

Velvet_Jones
05-27-2009, 09:33 PM
Hyphen.
Hyphen what?

Ultra Peanut
05-27-2009, 11:05 PM
Step 1. UP had a bad childhood.
Step 2. He uses this as a reason to say stupid things.
Step 3. Everyone is against UP because he had a bad childhood not that he is just stupid.im lik really smrt

|Zach|
05-27-2009, 11:28 PM
Hyphen what?

Hyphen.

patteeu
05-28-2009, 07:45 AM
Empathy isn't bad. Empathy-driven SCOTUS decisions are bad. I hope this helps clear things up.

petegz28
05-28-2009, 07:47 AM
So let me get this right. Its now OK to treat this lady the way Clarence Thomas was treated ?

Hmmm.....

THIS!

Baby Lee
05-28-2009, 08:00 AM
Step 1. Conservatives make a big deal about one word. That Obama cites as THE criteria by which he make his SC decision
Step 2. Oops, other conservatives have used the very same word as a positive in the past. As a personality trait on par with a sense of humor
Step 3. Conservatives accuse liberals of playing games.

Does no one see a difference?

People still bitch about Bush being liked as someone you would drink a beer with, but I don't recall anyone with pull stating that's THE criteria by which presidents should be elected.

patteeu
05-28-2009, 08:00 AM
Thank goodness we're getting more diversity on the court. :rolleyes:

Chief Justice Roberts - Harvard
Justice Scalia - Harvard
Justice Kennedy - Harvard
Justice Breyer - Harvard
Justice Souter - Harvard
Justice Ginsberg - Columbia
Justice Stevens - Northwestern University
Justice Thomas - Yale
Justice Alito - Yale

future Justice Sotomayor - Yale

Now if we can just replace that low class Stevens guy with an Ivy Leaguer (can you believe they used to let folks from Northwestern rise to this level?), and maybe upgrade the Ginsberg slot, we'll have a well rounded court.

Ultra Peanut
05-28-2009, 08:09 AM
Justice Denselton - Eternity Bible College