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Direckshun
05-29-2009, 08:14 PM
You're welcome.

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2009/05/27/faith/doc4a1b794bd0fd9907394285.txt

Will the Antichrist be a homosexual?
By Ron Hamman
Religion Views
Published on Monday, May 25, 2009 9:15 PM AKDT

In answering this question, it is important to assert the question does not originate with me, lest someone out there think that I am bringing some new doctrine out to bolster the political climate. But as the study of Bible prophecy includes verbiage as to the behavior of the one called “that Wicked” by Paul in II Thessalonians, it is not only a legitimate question to ask, but also one to answer.

While the word “homosexual” is not in the Bible, the behavior of those who practice homosexuality, and God’s estimation of them, very definitely is. When the word came into existence I cannot tell you, but what we can say for sure is that when Noah Webster published his first dictionary in 1828, it was not included. This means that homosexuality is a modern word invented to replace the word Noah Webster did include, sodomy, defined as a crime against nature. This is historical revisionism in action.

Sodomy is defined in scripture by two things, the first being that of where it began: Sodom. In Genesis 13:13 we have the first mention of the men of Sodom, pronouncing that they “were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.” Their saga is continued in chapters 18 and 19 with their sin being so great that not only does God say that it “is very grievous,” but he himself comes down to destroy them with fire, the rubble of which still stands as a warning to us today.

While the Genesis account does not graphically describe their sin, leading some to deny it as being the same as homosexuality, their sin is obviously just that by how it is described: lying with mankind as with womankind. What other conclusion can be reached when they want to “know” the men who were in Lot’s house, the same word the Bible uses in Genesis 4 in relation to the conception of Cain? And that Lot himself understood their intentions is clear; not only did he call such behavior wicked, but he also offered his virgin daughters as substitutes, which the men of Sodom refused.

And one more thing: Sodomy is the only sin for which God came down from heaven to destroy. Though God dealt with many other sins in various ways, there is no other for which he came down from heaven to verify and destroy. In the New Testament, sodomy is declared to be “against nature.” And of the men, Paul in Romans 1 says they leave “the natural use of the woman....” In effect, there is no greater sin against God than to reject how he made you, and no greater sin against women than to reject how God made them.

But will the Antichrist be a homosexual? Having seen what the Bible says of sodomy, we have no further to look than the book of Daniel, chapter 11 to find our answer. It says, “Neither shall he [Antichrist] regard... the desire of women....” As I said at the onset, I am not the first to draw attention to this, but the verbiage is clear.

From a lost perspective, the reason sex sells, pornography is profitable, and prostitution is “the world’s oldest profession” is mankind’s desire of women. From Christianity’s position, it is part of the glue for the bond of marriage and the propagation of a godly heritage. But homosexuality does not regard this — in their unbridled lusts they burn for their own gender.

But consider this: The time is ripe for such a leader. Indeed, it should not be surprising that the one who is against everything Biblical and Christian should be a partaker of so great a sin; there is no greater way to reject the Creator than to reject your gender and his design for it. And at what other time have we seen such perversion come out of the closets onto our streets, threatening violence if we do not accept their ways?

Is it any wonder that Revelation 13 says that this same Antichrist will make war with the saints of the tribulation, and overcome them? Are they not now readying themselves to make it illegal to “offend” them in any way, calling it hatred to preach against their sin? Is it because they love us? The time is ripe for such a man.

But remember that sodomy is the one sin that God left heaven and came to earth to destroy. Could it be that this will be the predominate sin on earth when Christ descends from the clouds to fight against the armies of wickedness? And will it be just a coincidence that the Antichrist will be the very first occupant of the lake of fire, tasting eternal death 1,000 years before even the devil himself?

You be the judge.

Ron Hamman is pastor for Independent Baptist Church of Wasilla. Contact him at 357-4229.

Ultra Peanut
05-29-2009, 08:22 PM
Oh pastor, my pastor!

Your elder sister is Samaria, who lived with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you, is Sodom with her daughters. You not only followed their ways, and acted according to their abominations; within a very little time you were more corrupt than they in all your ways. As I live, says the Lord GOD, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.

Ezekiel 16:46-50

I am divorced. I take the lord's name in vain often, and with great relish. I hit my mother with a car... possibly by accident.
. . .
I almost let him choke to death right there on the football field. I looked the other way when my wig-based parent company turned a bunch of children orange. I once proclaimed "I am god!" during a deposition. Aaaand I may have sodomized our former vice president while under the influence of some weapons grade narcotics. It feels good to say that out loud, actually. That one was weighing on me.

BucEyedPea
05-29-2009, 09:14 PM
The onlly thing I can remember on this is that it's a he who has no use for women.
That means he could be gay,a eunuch or a hermaphrodite...or just asexual.

The_Doctor10
05-30-2009, 12:07 PM
You're welcome.

Sodomy is defined in scripture by two things, the first being that of where it began: Sodom. In Genesis 13:13 we have the first mention of the men of Sodom, pronouncing that they “were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.” Their saga is continued in chapters 18 and 19 with their sin being so great that not only does God say that it “is very grievous,” but he himself comes down to destroy them with fire, the rubble of which still stands as a warning to us today.



There is absolutely no archaeological evidence for the cities of Sodom and Gommorah (which God also supposedly destroyed during this little tiff...) ever actually existing.

****ing nutter...

KILLER_CLOWN
05-30-2009, 12:53 PM
There is absolutely no archaeological evidence for the cities of Sodom and Gommorah (which God also supposedly destroyed during this little tiff...) ever actually existing.

****ing nutter...

The ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah have been discovered southeast of the Dead Sea. The modern names are Bab edh-Dhra, thought to be Sodom, and Numeira, thought to be Gomorrah. Both places were destroyed at the same time by an enormous conflagration. The destruction debris was about three feet thick. What brought about this awful calamity? Startling discoveries in the cemetery at Bab edh-Dhra revealed the cause. Archaeologists found that buildings used to bury the dead were burned by a fire that started on the roof.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a007.html

Mr. Kotter
05-30-2009, 12:58 PM
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JohnnyV13
05-30-2009, 02:54 PM
The onlly thing I can remember on this is that it's a he who has no use for women.
That means he could be gay,a eunuch or a hermaphrodite...or just asexual.

Buck, you do know that there are TWO things women are good for, don't you?

Maybe the anti christ won't have any dirty socks to wash.

patteeu
05-30-2009, 04:32 PM
There is absolutely no archaeological evidence for the cities of Sodom and Gommorah (which God also supposedly destroyed during this little tiff...) ever actually existing.

****ing nutter...

Don't you think God is powerful enough to wipe all evidence of your existence from the face of the Earth if he gets upset enough with you?

patteeu
05-30-2009, 04:36 PM
...there is no greater way to reject the Creator than to reject your gender and his design for it....

I wonder... is it worse to be a gay man who lays with men as if they were women or to actually change your sex from male to female and then lay with men as if they were men and you're the woman? I guess the worst possible offense might be to change your sex from female to male and then treat other males as females. Hmmm. ;)

patteeu
05-30-2009, 04:37 PM
Could it be that this will be the predominate sin on earth when Christ descends from the clouds to fight against the armies of wickedness? And will it be just a coincidence that the Antichrist will be the very first occupant of the lake of fire, tasting eternal death 1,000 years before even the devil himself?

The first columns of the armies of wickedness have apparently arrived!

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/10_01/gaytankST0510_468x388.jpg

The_Doctor10
05-30-2009, 04:54 PM
The ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah have been discovered southeast of the Dead Sea. The modern names are Bab edh-Dhra, thought to be Sodom, and Numeira, thought to be Gomorrah. Both places were destroyed at the same time by an enormous conflagration. The destruction debris was about three feet thick. What brought about this awful calamity? Startling discoveries in the cemetery at Bab edh-Dhra revealed the cause. Archaeologists found that buildings used to bury the dead were burned by a fire that started on the roof.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a007.html

That finding was discredit en masse by the archaeological community.

I say again, there is no LEGITIMATE archaeological evidence for the existence of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Mr. Kotter
05-30-2009, 05:05 PM
That finding was discredit en masse by the archaeological community.

I say again, there is no LEGITIMATE archaeological evidence for the existence of Sodom and Gomorrah.

In fairness, there is considerable disagreement within the archeological and historical communities over your opinion.

orange
05-30-2009, 07:29 PM
In fairness, there is considerable disagreement within the archeological and historical communities over your opinion.

Really? Read the link - it's much more than the text KILLER_CLOWN quoted. According to the link, the two cities were probably destroyed by fiery bitumen:

It has been postulated by geologist Frederick Clapp that pressure from an earthquake could have caused the bitumen deposits to be forced out of the earth through a fault line. As it gushed out of the earth it could have been ignited by a spark or surface fire. It would then fall to earth as a burning, fiery mass. (actual quote)

Small problem comes immediately to mind - where are the remnants of the fiery bitumen?

orange
05-30-2009, 07:38 PM
A Christian writer for CBN:


Sodom & Gomorrah Discovered? Keith Richards Reads the Bible?

Then the LORD rained down fire and burning sulfur from the sky on Sodom and Gomorrah. He utterly destroyed them, along with the other cities and villages of the plain… (Genesis 19:24-25a, NLT)

Controversy has surrounded the search for the biblical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah as archaeologists debate various possible locations.

The latest buzz on the subject has come from Dr. Steven Collins, dean of the college of archaeology and biblical history at Trinity Southwest University. Archaeologists have suggested sites for Sodom and Gomorrah along the southeastern shore, or even underneath the Dead Sea. But Collins dismissed these sites after he looked to the Scriptures to discover where the cities were located.

Gordon Govier of Christianity Today reports that based on his reading of Genesis 13, Collins believes Sodom is located at Tall al-Hammam in Jordan. "The Bible makes it very clear," Collins said. "Sodom is the largest Bronze Age city east of the Jordan River, north of the Dead Sea."

Collins defends the historicity of the Bible and calls on archaeology to help substantiate scriptural claims. The legitimate discovery of the "Cities of the Plain," as Sodom and Gomorrah are called in the Bible, would provide solid archaeological evidence that the historical information in Genesis is factual. "Such a discovery would be one of the most important biblically-related archaeological finds in history," Collins said.

Eric Cline, an archaeologist at George Washington University and the author of From Eden to Exile, told Christianity Today that Collins might be on to something, but that he "has not yet produced any compelling archaeological evidence."

Furthermore, Cline said, Collins's research was "putting the proverbial cart before the horse and excavating with an a priori bias." Cline said all Collins had so far was a hypothesis.

Both Collins and Cline agree that another site favored by some archaeologists, the ruins of Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira, cannot be the site of Sodom and Gomorrah. These two cities were also destroyed in fiery conflagrations. The cities were excavated along the southeastern shore of the Dead Sea in the late 1970s.

"But they are in the wrong place at the wrong time," Collins said. Evidence dates Bab edh-Dhra's destruction to around 2350 B.C., while traditional biblical chronology places Abraham several hundred years later.

Michelle Vu of The Christian Post reports that Collins told students and faculty of Erskine College and Seminary that the key to locating the Cities of the Plain is an intricate analysis of the biblical text.

"The three main biblical criteria for correctly identifying these famous cities are geography, chronology and stratigraphy," Collins said. "The Bible clearly says they were located on the eastern edge of the Jordan Disk, that well-watered circular plain of the southern Jordan Valley just north of the Dead Sea."

He said it is also clear from the text that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed during the Middle Bronze Age, the time of Abraham and Lot. He estimated the Middle Bronze Age to be between 2300 and 1550 B.C.

"Had scholars analyzed the biblical text carefully, they would have realized that the general location of the cities is laid out quite clearly and unambiguously," Collins said. "If you take the textual data of Genesis 13-19 seriously, the location is pretty much a no-brainer."

No Satisfaction with the Bible?

He's toured the globe with Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones, starred as the father of Captain Jack Sparrow in "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End," and made headlines for over four decades with his bad boy antics. Now we're learning that Keith Richards is also a seeker of truth.

MonstersAndCritics.com is reporting that The Rolling Stones' guitarist admits he frequently studies the Christian holy book, but thinks it is boring.

"I read the Bible sometimes but it bores me to death. I just want to know what other people find so bloody fascinating. Why are they all hung up on all that, 'In the beginning' stuff? Ah, well. At least life is stable. It has said the same thing since I was a kid."

Richards, 64, has lived the rock and roll lifestyle since the 1960s when The Rolling Stones became world famous. His excessive use of drugs and alcohol led to five arrests for drug-related offences. He finally sought treatment for heroin addiction in the 1970s -- a move that most likely saved his life.

MonstersAndCritics.com announced that details of Richards' life will be included in a soon-to-be-released autobiography. Rumors are that he will receive a $7.3 million advance on the book.

"They've paid me a … fortune, so of course I'm writing it. We're just trying to make an interesting story out of it, without every chapter ending, 'And then I found out I only had £30 in the bank. And then I did this, and that'. No! I'm trying to come out with a story with a narrative."

http://blogs.cbn.com/ChurchWatch/archive/2008/03/12/sodom--gomorrah-discovered-keith-richards-reads-the-bible.aspx

JohnnyV13
05-30-2009, 09:12 PM
I wonder... is it worse to be a gay man who lays with men as if they were women or to actually change your sex from male to female and then lay with men as if they were men and you're the woman? I guess the worst possible offense might be to change your sex from female to male and then treat other males as females. Hmmm. ;)

Oh lord. What tortured, twisted logic. You must be a lawyer or something.

Of course, I have long wondered what the "as God made you" crowd makes of intersexuals. I suppose intersexuals are destined to be celibate because God clearly didn't make them to have sex. I guess any kind of sexual desire these people feel is a test of faith from God, a temptation from Satan, or is simply the influence of our "perverse social attutides" toward sex.

I guess I am just as warped as you.

alanm
05-30-2009, 09:25 PM
If it means anything the recent National Examiner has Obama on the cover with the caption saying he's a still in the closet homosexual. ROFL

Ultra Peanut
05-30-2009, 10:56 PM
Oh lord. What tortured, twisted logic. You must be a lawyer or something.

Of course, I have long wondered what the "as God made you" crowd makes of intersexuals. I suppose intersexuals are destined to be celibate because God clearly didn't make them to have sex. I guess any kind of sexual desire these people feel is a test of faith from God, a temptation from Satan, or is simply the influence of our "perverse social attutides" toward sex.

I guess I am just as warped as you.God made my brain and body dissonant as... as a test!

The test: "Can you stave off the intense desire to kill yourself before you turn 20? Oh, you did? Good job, then; here, have some hormones."

The_Doctor10
05-30-2009, 11:02 PM
A Christian writer for CBN:


Sodom & Gomorrah Discovered? Keith Richards Reads the Bible?

Then the LORD rained down fire and burning sulfur from the sky on Sodom and Gomorrah. He utterly destroyed them, along with the other cities and villages of the plain… (Genesis 19:24-25a, NLT)

Controversy has surrounded the search for the biblical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah as archaeologists debate various possible locations.

The latest buzz on the subject has come from Dr. Steven Collins, dean of the college of archaeology and biblical history at Trinity Southwest University. Archaeologists have suggested sites for Sodom and Gomorrah along the southeastern shore, or even underneath the Dead Sea. But Collins dismissed these sites after he looked to the Scriptures to discover where the cities were located.

Gordon Govier of Christianity Today reports that based on his reading of Genesis 13, Collins believes Sodom is located at Tall al-Hammam in Jordan. "The Bible makes it very clear," Collins said. "Sodom is the largest Bronze Age city east of the Jordan River, north of the Dead Sea."

Collins defends the historicity of the Bible and calls on archaeology to help substantiate scriptural claims. The legitimate discovery of the "Cities of the Plain," as Sodom and Gomorrah are called in the Bible, would provide solid archaeological evidence that the historical information in Genesis is factual. "Such a discovery would be one of the most important biblically-related archaeological finds in history," Collins said.

Eric Cline, an archaeologist at George Washington University and the author of From Eden to Exile, told Christianity Today that Collins might be on to something, but that he "has not yet produced any compelling archaeological evidence."

Furthermore, Cline said, Collins's research was "putting the proverbial cart before the horse and excavating with an a priori bias." Cline said all Collins had so far was a hypothesis.

Both Collins and Cline agree that another site favored by some archaeologists, the ruins of Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira, cannot be the site of Sodom and Gomorrah. These two cities were also destroyed in fiery conflagrations. The cities were excavated along the southeastern shore of the Dead Sea in the late 1970s.

"But they are in the wrong place at the wrong time," Collins said. Evidence dates Bab edh-Dhra's destruction to around 2350 B.C., while traditional biblical chronology places Abraham several hundred years later.

Michelle Vu of The Christian Post reports that Collins told students and faculty of Erskine College and Seminary that the key to locating the Cities of the Plain is an intricate analysis of the biblical text.

"The three main biblical criteria for correctly identifying these famous cities are geography, chronology and stratigraphy," Collins said. "The Bible clearly says they were located on the eastern edge of the Jordan Disk, that well-watered circular plain of the southern Jordan Valley just north of the Dead Sea."

He said it is also clear from the text that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed during the Middle Bronze Age, the time of Abraham and Lot. He estimated the Middle Bronze Age to be between 2300 and 1550 B.C.

"Had scholars analyzed the biblical text carefully, they would have realized that the general location of the cities is laid out quite clearly and unambiguously," Collins said. "If you take the textual data of Genesis 13-19 seriously, the location is pretty much a no-brainer."


The BIBLE says the sites you claim to be Sodom and Gomorrah aren't. So, either the Bible is wrong, or you are. Or, perhaps, you both are.

KILLER_CLOWN
05-30-2009, 11:05 PM
The BIBLE says the sites you claim to be Sodom and Gomorrah aren't. So, either the Bible is wrong, or you are. Or, perhaps, you both are.

Absolutely I mean Man has never made a mistake.

JohnnyV13
05-30-2009, 11:33 PM
God made my brain and body dissonant as... as a test!

The test: "Can you stave off the intense desire to kill yourself before you turn 20? Oh, you did? Good job, then; here, have some hormones."

UP, I was guessing what the "as God made you crowd" thinks of inter-sexuals. I wasn't saying I thought that way. I just wanted to make that distinction clear.

I think transsexuals are clearly some of the unhappiest people I can imagine. Whether the source is psychological, some kind of en utero development problem, or rooted in genetics, I couldn't even begin to guess. I think ridiculing transsexuals is cruel, but easy to fall into given our culture's social context.

BucEyedPea
05-31-2009, 12:10 AM
Buck, you do know that there are TWO things women are good for, don't you?
Maybe the anti christ won't have any dirty socks to wash.
Laundry and cooking? Oh my, JohnnyV but you don't seem to be him?

Ultra Peanut
05-31-2009, 12:29 PM
UP, I was guessing what the "as God made you crowd" thinks of inter-sexuals. I wasn't saying I thought that way. I just wanted to make that distinction clear.

I think transsexuals are clearly some of the unhappiest people I can imagine. Whether the source is psychological, some kind of en utero development problem, or rooted in genetics, I couldn't even begin to guess. I think ridiculing transsexuals is cruel, but easy to fall into given our culture's social context.Yeah, I got what you were driving at. I was just expounding a bit upon it.

If God made me this way, God gave me the chance to actually feel inner peace the likes of which I've never felt before this past week. I'm finally turning a corner, and holy crap, it makes the pain of the past so worth it.

JohnnyV13
06-01-2009, 12:07 AM
Laundry and cooking? Oh my, JohnnyV but you don't seem to be him?

Who said women were any good at cooking? Most of the top chefs are men! And, if you have ever taken a good look at my athletic socks, I darn well need a woman.