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sportsman1
05-30-2009, 08:24 PM
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-0/

I'm not going to really comment on it. Just find it a little interesting what one Ruskie thinks.

orange
05-30-2009, 08:44 PM
A member of the Russian Religious Far Right differs from a member of the American Religious Far Right how exactly?

Well, there is this: "Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America."

BucEyedPea
05-31-2009, 08:00 AM
I posted within a thread already. One of this board's Marxists thought Pravda was a tabloid like the Enquirer though. This is what we're up against intellectually. Still, the new Pravda editorial is much more believable than the NYTs.

Dave Lane
05-31-2009, 08:23 AM
Its basically a blog so who cares I can write one for them that says the complete opposite. You might notice its Opinion > Columnist so an opinionated columnist wrote a anti capitalism post oh noes!

BigRedChief
05-31-2009, 08:43 AM
A blog from Russia warrants a new thread like its news? :doh!:

banyon
05-31-2009, 09:10 AM
I posted within a thread already. One of this board's Marxists thought Pravda was a tabloid like the Enquirer though. This is what we're up against intellectually. Still, the new Pravda editorial is much more believable than the NYTs.

Can you really "be up" against things intellectually when you run and play fake ignore games and use pop psychobabble at the drop of a hat in every conversation?

I believe I posted the article below previously and you being intellectually rigorous and all that never really came up with anything to the contrary:

The post-Soviet period
On August 22, 1991, a decree by Russian President Boris Yeltsin shut down the Communist Party and seized all of its property, including Pravda. Its team of journalists fought for their newspaper and freedom of speech. They registered a new paper with the same title just weeks after.

A few months later, then-editor Gennady Seleznyov (now a member of the Duma) sold Pravda to a family of Greek entrepreneurs, the Yannikoses. The next editor-in-chief, Alexander Ilyin, handed Pravda's trademark — the Order of Lenin medals — and the new registration certificate over to the new owners.

By that time, a serious split occurred in the editorial office. Over 90% of the journalists who had been working for Pravda until 1991 quit their jobs. They established their own version of the newspaper, which was later shut down under government pressure. These same journalists, led by former Pravda editors Vadim Gorshenin and Viktor Linnik in January 1999, launched Pravda Online, the first web-based newspaper in the Russian language; English, Italian and Portuguese versions are also available.

The new Pravda newspaper and Pravda Online are not related in any way, although the journalists of both publications are still in touch with each other. The paper Pravda tends to analyze events from a leftist point of view, while the web-based, tabloid-style newspaper often takes a nationalist and sensationalist approach.

Meanwhile, in 2004, a new urban guide Pravda has been launched in Lithuania. It has no stylistic resemblance to the original communist Pravda, although its mission purports "to report the truth and nothing but the truth".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda

Also, I don't think I've ever seen so many grammatical mistakes and errors in a piece that's supposed to be "journalism". It makes it highly suspect.

Ultra Peanut
05-31-2009, 09:17 AM
looooooool

patteeu
05-31-2009, 09:28 AM
Its basically a blog so who cares I can write one for them that says the complete opposite. You might notice its Opinion > Columnist so an opinionated columnist wrote a anti capitalism post oh noes!

A blog from Russia warrants a new thread like its news? :doh!:

Because you think this is a blog, you reject the argument without consideration? Did you even bother to read it?

patteeu
05-31-2009, 09:32 AM
The new Pravda newspaper and Pravda Online are not related in any way, ...

What does the "new Pravda newspaper" have to do with this? Or is your point just that Pravda Online uses a "tabloid" style?

banyon
05-31-2009, 09:35 AM
What does the "new Pravda newspaper" have to do with this? Or is your point just that Pravda Online uses a "tabloid" style?

If you read earlier in the paragraph it talks about how these are not the same people who were running Pravda previously (and the new pravda paper is using the same people). But yes, it has a different focus too apparently, which seems obvious from the religious nationalist overtones of the article pointed out by orange, which lends credence to the wiki cite.

patteeu
05-31-2009, 09:41 AM
If you read earlier in the paragraph it talks about how these are not the same people who were running Pravda previously (and the new pravda paper is using the same people). But yes, it has a different focus too apparently, which seems obvious from the religious nationalist overtones of the article pointed out by orange, which lends credence to the wiki cite.

The people running Pravda Online are former Pravda people too, they're just a different group of former Pravda people than those at the new Pravda newspaper.

banyon
05-31-2009, 09:42 AM
The people running Pravda Online are former Pravda people too, they're just a different group of former Pravda people than those at the new Pravda newspaper.

How do you know that?

sportsman1
05-31-2009, 09:59 AM
First I'd seen it.. Fairly current. Even if it was simular to like the Russian Huffington Post, I still find the take on Religion in the U.S. to be interesting. Not too often you hear comments like that. No-body once said it was news.

BigRedChief
05-31-2009, 10:49 AM
Because you think this is a blog, you reject the argument without consideration? Did you even bother to read it?
Sorry, I use up enough of my free time on here already. I can't read every Russian blog and all the other trillion blogs every day. Blogs are opinions and everyone has one.

patteeu
05-31-2009, 11:09 AM
How do you know that?

I read the "About us" section (http://english.pravda.ru/about/) of the website:

...

At that time, a very serious split occurred in the editorial office. Over 90 percent of the journalists who had been working for Pravda until the coup d'etat of 1991 quit their jobs. They established their own version of the newspaper, which was then closed under government pressure.

These journalists had to take their fight to cyberspace, and the Internet newspaper PRAVDA On-Line was launched in January of 1999, the first Russian newspaper of its kind. We think that both the newly registered newspaper and PRAVDA On-Line (you are now on its server) have an equal moral right to continue the history of the newspaper that was closed by then-President Boris Yeltsin in August of 1991. The number of journalists that work in the head offices of both publications is comparable with the number of journalists who worked for Pravda at the time it was closed.

In spite of the fact that the journalists of both these publications are still in touch with each other, we have different conceptions about news about Russia and the world. The newspaper Pravda analyzes events from the point of view of the Party's interests, whereas PRAVDA On-line takes a pro-Russian approach to forming its policy.

...

banyon
05-31-2009, 11:11 AM
I read the "About us" section (http://english.pravda.ru/about/) of the website:

Fair enough, but the split sounds like they wanted to cover things from the nationalistic, religous perspective that the wiki link was talking about.

patteeu
05-31-2009, 11:21 AM
Fair enough, but the split sounds like they wanted to cover things from the nationalistic, religous perspective that the wiki link was talking about.

Yes, it does. But even though there is an admitted bias of sorts at work, these people, at least the ones who are of a certain age, are still up-close-and-personal eye-witnesses to full-bore socialism in action. I don't know about the author of the editorial specifically though.