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Braincase
06-02-2009, 06:32 PM
According to windows7center.com (http://windows7center.com/)....

JD10367
06-02-2009, 06:38 PM
Cool.

Windows 7.0.1 to be released on October 25th, to correct the 327 bugs and 54 security loopholes they find in five days. :D

Buehler445
06-02-2009, 07:12 PM
So any word on if you can update Vista to 7 or am I going to have to buy an entirely different program?

NOTE: I am NOT suggesting that I will buy it soon.

Braincase
06-02-2009, 07:42 PM
Cool.

Windows 7.0.1 to be released on October 25th, to correct the 327 bugs and 54 security loopholes they find in five days. :D

Better an OS where the issues are openly discussed, than an OS that out and out lies to you and claims there are no virii nor security vulnerabilities.

CrazyPhuD
06-02-2009, 08:35 PM
Yea but when is Windows 7 with Plus package coming out?

Guru
06-02-2009, 09:55 PM
It will be grossly overpriced as usual too.

Boon
06-02-2009, 10:07 PM
It will be grossly overpriced as usual too.

Yep!
Probably charge for the service packs.

Braincase
06-02-2009, 10:47 PM
It will be grossly overpriced as usual too.

Less expensive than that crap Apple shills.

irishjayhawk
06-02-2009, 10:48 PM
Less expensive than that crap Apple shills.

Depends on how you look at it.

Saulbadguy
06-03-2009, 08:06 AM
So any word on if you can update Vista to 7 or am I going to have to buy an entirely different program?

NOTE: I am NOT suggesting that I will buy it soon.

You will be able to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7. From what i've read you will NOT be able to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7.

HC_Chief
06-03-2009, 10:52 AM
Depends on how you look at it.

:spock:
If you look at it with your EYES, you will see that his statement is accurate. Apple is grossly overpriced. I know, I own two of them + an iPhone.

irishjayhawk
06-03-2009, 11:06 AM
:spock:
If you look at it with your EYES, you will see that his statement is accurate. Apple is grossly overpriced. I know, I own two of them + an iPhone.

We're talking about software. Apple releases a new version every year for around $100. Microsoft releases a version every 2-4 years for $150+ (at least).

So, it depends on how you look at it.

Otter
06-03-2009, 11:17 AM
I've been running the latest release candidate for about a month in a half now and I'm very pleased with 99.9% of what I've seen up to this point. I just wish the developers wouldn't feel the need to change the interfaces of some of the technical areas that your typical home user will never really touch.

I skipped right over Vista so I'll be purchasing Win7 upon release. One disappointing thing that I've read is if you're running the release candidate you won't be able to activate it by purchasing a serial number.

Instead you'll need to go out and buy copy of Win7 and reinstall everything a 2nd time. I don't understand this logic (I'm assuming it's to make copy protection more effective) but it kind of leaves the test users in limbo instead of being able jump in and get going.

Fish
06-03-2009, 12:43 PM
Less expensive than that crap Apple shills.

From everything I've read, Windows 7 will cost you much more than the latest version of OS X. In fact, Dell has already released a statement saying they're concerned about the price and their ability to provide the new OS...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10242555-64.html

Some schools and smaller businesses may not be early adopters due to price. "Schools and government agencies may not be able to afford (the additional cost). Some of the smaller businesses may not be able to enjoy the software as soon as they'd like,"

DaFace
06-03-2009, 01:07 PM
Anybody happen to remember from past releases approximately when systems pre-loaded with the OS start showing up relative to the release date? I remember for a fact that we were selling XP systems at Staples at least a few weeks before it was technically released - but I can't remember how far in advance that was.

I've got a coworker who's in the market for a new PC, but he wants to wait to get 7 if it doesn't take too long.

HC_Chief
06-03-2009, 03:24 PM
One disappointing thing that I've read is if you're running the release candidate you won't be able to activate it by purchasing a serial number.

I heard from a M$ employee today that you WILL be able to upgrade the RC to RTM. :shrug:
Conflicting reports.

kepp
06-03-2009, 03:29 PM
We're talking about software. Apple releases a new version every year for around $100. Microsoft releases a version every 2-4 years for $150+ (at least).

So, it depends on how you look at it.

So, in four years you spend $400 for Apple's new releases and $150 for Microsoft's. What am I missing?

Fish
06-03-2009, 03:48 PM
We're talking about software. Apple releases a new version every year for around $100. Microsoft releases a version every 2-4 years for $150+ (at least).

So, it depends on how you look at it.

Actually Apple releases a new OS a little over 2 years apart. This has been consistent for Apple's last 4 OS releases.

Microsoft has varied quite a bit more. Win98 to Win2000 was 2 years. Win2000 to WinXP was 1.5 years. Vista came 5+ years after XP. Win7 will come a little over 2 years after Vista.

Saulbadguy
06-03-2009, 04:42 PM
Actually Apple releases a new OS a little over 2 years apart. This has been consistent for Apple's last 4 OS releases.

Microsoft has varied quite a bit more. Win98 to Win2000 was 2 years. Win2000 to WinXP was 1.5 years. Vista came 5+ years after XP. Win7 will come a little over 2 years after Vista.

Windows 2000 wasn't the Windows 98 successor.

Fish
06-03-2009, 04:48 PM
Windows 2000 wasn't the Windows 98 successor.

I didn't say it was. Chronologically it doesn't matter.

irishjayhawk
06-03-2009, 05:20 PM
Actually Apple releases a new OS a little over 2 years apart. This has been consistent for Apple's last 4 OS releases.

Microsoft has varied quite a bit more. Win98 to Win2000 was 2 years. Win2000 to WinXP was 1.5 years. Vista came 5+ years after XP. Win7 will come a little over 2 years after Vista.

My bad, got the numbers wrong. Point, I think, still stands. It depends on how you look at it.

J Diddy
06-03-2009, 07:25 PM
Windows 2000 wasn't the Windows 98 successor.wasn't that windows me


what a turd that was

Buehler445
06-03-2009, 07:56 PM
wasn't that windows me


what a turd that was

I think he is referring to Windows 2000 Professional.

Guru
06-03-2009, 08:10 PM
Apple software is still cheaper than M$ software.

Saulbadguy
06-03-2009, 08:52 PM
I think he is referring to Windows 2000 Professional.

No.

Windows NT evolved in to Windows 2000 Professional.
Windows 98 evolved in to Windows ME

When XP came out, it was THE client OS replacing the separate tracks.

Saulbadguy
06-03-2009, 08:53 PM
Apple software is still cheaper than M$ software.

I would hope so.

Basileus777
06-03-2009, 09:51 PM
You will be able to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7. From what i've read you will NOT be able to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7.

How much do these upgrades usually cost? I'm looking to buy a new PC now and while I would like to get Windows 7, I really don't want to wait until the end of October.

Braincase
06-04-2009, 10:19 AM
How much do these upgrades usually cost? I'm looking to buy a new PC now and while I would like to get Windows 7, I really don't want to wait until the end of October.

Get the release candidate for free now. Use Vista drivers for any devices. You'll be able to use the RC until June of next year.

Braincase
06-04-2009, 10:21 AM
Apple software is still cheaper than M$ software.

Does that make up for the extra grand you have to spend to get Apple's proprietary hardware?

Mr. Krab
06-04-2009, 10:29 AM
You should always give Microsoft products at least 6 months to work out the bugs before you buy them. Preferably a full year.

Saulbadguy
06-04-2009, 10:38 AM
You should always give Microsoft products at least 6 months to work out the bugs before you buy them. Preferably a full year.

For a business environment, I would agree.

For home, I see no problems with early adoption these days unless you are running exotic hardware or legacy apps.

DaFace
06-04-2009, 10:38 AM
You should always give Microsoft products at least 6 months to work out the bugs before you buy them. Preferably a full year.

I'm not sure that applies when your other option is continuing to use Vista.

Otter
06-04-2009, 10:46 AM
I see trying to discuss any aspect of an operating system on the internet without it turning into a MAC vs Windows pissing match reamains impossible.

* hey, look at me, I like MAC, i'm better than you!
* no you're not!
* uh huh, i've never had a virus!
* but you lack flexibility!

and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah - it's a matter of preference. If you were a true power user who wanted a better understanding of low level functions and the ability to customize everything you would be using LINUX.

They're both awesome in ways and they both suck in ways - deal with it and please, pretty please with sugar on top - shut the fuck up about it already.

Saulbadguy
06-04-2009, 10:51 AM
I see trying to discuss any aspect of an operating system on the internet without it turning into a MAC vs Windows pissing match reamains impossible.

* hey, look at me, I like MAC, i'm better than you!
* no you're not!
* uh huh, i've never had a virus!
* but you lack flexibility!

and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah - it's a matter of preference. If you were a true power user who wanted a better understanding of low level functions and the ability to customize everything you would be using LINUX.

They're both awesome in ways and they both suck in ways - deal with it and please, pretty please with sugar on top - shut the **** up about it already.

Somewhat agree - generally the people who start the pissing matches aren't Powerusers or people who work in IT, they are just your average joes who may or may not use a computer at work, and just repeat what they hear like a trained parrot.

Fish
06-04-2009, 10:57 AM
Does that make up for the extra grand you have to spend to get Apple's proprietary hardware?

If you want the truth about it.... please take a look at this very detailed study done my Tom's Hardware about Apple pricing....

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-mac-leopard-windows-vista,1985.html

But I'd rather talk about Windows 7.... which is going to be a very good OS and well worth the price....

Buehler445
06-04-2009, 01:32 PM
If you want the truth about it.... please take a look at this very detailed study done my Tom's Hardware about Apple pricing....

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-mac-leopard-windows-vista,1985.html

But I'd rather talk about Windows 7.... which is going to be a very good OS and well worth the price....

I'll bite. Why do you think that?

J Diddy
06-04-2009, 01:33 PM
If you want the truth about it.... please take a look at this very detailed study done my Tom's Hardware about Apple pricing....

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-mac-leopard-windows-vista,1985.html

But I'd rather talk about Windows 7.... which is going to be a very good OS and well worth the price....

I half heartedly searched but got no results. What exactly will be the difference between it and windows vista?

Fish
06-04-2009, 01:57 PM
Win7 is very well designed already. It's fast. Much faster than Vista. We've been testing it for quite some time, and we're running Win7 on some older machines that had been phased out due to such sluggish Vista performance. We are in fact redeploying some of these older machines loaded with Win7 in some labs to counter some of our budget restraints. I was very surprised at how well it ran on moderately fast machines. Considerably faster startup and shutdown, and stuff like resuming from screen saver or unlocking your account. The OS is well thought out. Multiple monitor support is awesome. They've added some taskbar features that are really smart. Apps and documents are grouped on the task bar. And there are a bunch of neat features available by hovering over the icons in the taskbar. They have a file preview thingy that gives you a thumbnail pic of the document/pic/vid/etc. It's got some administration features that are going to be really nice too. Windows Media Player is improved. It will play a lot more formats by default. Fairly easy install.

Overall, I've been very impressed with it so far.

Basileus777
06-04-2009, 02:24 PM
Get the release candidate for free now. Use Vista drivers for any devices. You'll be able to use the RC until June of next year.

So the RC is stable enough for this?

HC_Chief
06-04-2009, 02:39 PM
So the RC is stable enough for this?

Hell yeah.

Count Alex's Losses
06-04-2009, 03:24 PM
Win7 is very well designed already. It's fast. Much faster than Vista. We've been testing it for quite some time, and we're running Win7 on some older machines that had been phased out due to such sluggish Vista performance. We are in fact redeploying some of these older machines loaded with Win7 in some labs to counter some of our budget restraints. I was very surprised at how well it ran on moderately fast machines. Considerably faster startup and shutdown, and stuff like resuming from screen saver or unlocking your account. The OS is well thought out. Multiple monitor support is awesome. They've added some taskbar features that are really smart. Apps and documents are grouped on the task bar. And there are a bunch of neat features available by hovering over the icons in the taskbar. They have a file preview thingy that gives you a thumbnail pic of the document/pic/vid/etc. It's got some administration features that are going to be really nice too. Windows Media Player is improved. It will play a lot more formats by default. Fairly easy install.

Overall, I've been very impressed with it so far.

Yeah all of that is very nice. I'm still running my beta and it's very, very stable. I love it. Camtasia Studio runs MUCH faster, which is good for me.

Last night I told my cousin I might actually PAY for Windows 7 because it's so nice. Then we shared a hearty laugh and dried our tears.

J Diddy
06-04-2009, 03:43 PM
So what would be the easiest way to split a drive on my laptop and create a new partition on to try this sucker out?

Fish
06-04-2009, 03:47 PM
Yeah all of that is very nice. I'm still running my beta and it's very, very stable. I love it. Camtasia Studio runs MUCH faster, which is good for me.

Last night I told my cousin I might actually PAY for Windows 7 because it's so nice. Then we shared a hearty laugh and dried our tears.

RC1 is considerably better than the beta too. Lots of stuff added to RC1.

Basileus777
06-04-2009, 03:59 PM
RC1 is considerably better than the beta too. Lots of stuff added to RC1.

Is there going to be a RC2?

Otter
06-04-2009, 04:00 PM
So the RC is stable enough for this?

Extremely stable. I've run everything from games (complex interative mmos and fps) to photoshop, Office XP...you name it, no crashes.

The only thing I would reccomend is if Win7 recognizes your hardware and it functions without problems is to hold off installing the latest drivers until the hardware gurus can catch up with Win7 specified drivers.

Drivers were the only problem I've had so far but as mentioned that was solved by unistalling the manufacturer drivers and letting Win7 use it's default version.

Otter
06-04-2009, 04:02 PM
I heard from a M$ employee today that you WILL be able to upgrade the RC to RTM. :shrug:
Conflicting reports.

Has anyone been able to confirm this? I'd love to wipe XP and go all in.

Fish
06-04-2009, 04:06 PM
So what would be the easiest way to split a drive on my laptop and create a new partition on to try this sucker out?

Here's some easy instructions.

http://lifehacker.com/5126781/how-to-dual-boot-windows-7-with-xp-or-vista

Although I hesitate to tell someone to use an on-the-fly re-partitioning app. Too many factors that could go wrong, resulting in loss of data. In the least, you should do a complete backup before trying it.

To safely do it? I'd recommend using something like Ghost to take a snap shot of your current partition. Save that image file on an external drive. Partition the drive with a startup disk. Dump the ghost image onto the primary partition. Run the Win7 disk, and install it on the secondary partition.

Fish
06-04-2009, 04:26 PM
Is there going to be a RC2?

Yup. It's coming out very shortly....

http://keznews.com/5752_Windows_7_RC2_build_7200_is_about_to_release

Mr. Krab
06-04-2009, 04:38 PM
I'm not sure that applies when your other option is continuing to use Vista.
Heh, some of us continue to use Windows XP. :D PBJ

irishjayhawk
06-04-2009, 05:22 PM
I've heard Windows 7 is truly a good OS. That figures seeing as they generally release the better one on the odd cycle.

That said, Snow Leopard is supposed to bring some goodness to OSX so, at least we have some innovating and competition going on between them.

Norman Einstein
06-04-2009, 05:35 PM
I've heard Windows 7 is truly a good OS. That figures seeing as they generally release the better one on the odd cycle.

That said, Snow Leopard is supposed to bring some goodness to OSX so, at least we have some innovating and competition going on between them.
Been using Windows 7 Beta at my house for a few months. Much faster than Vista and is supposed to be more friendly to XP compatable software than Vista.

Fish
06-04-2009, 07:42 PM
Been using Windows 7 Beta at my house for a few months. Much faster than Vista and is supposed to be more friendly to XP compatable software than Vista.

Well... it shares a lot of Vista's kernel. Software designed for Vista will definitely run better on it than software designed for XP. It's not exactly what I would consider more friendly to XP compatible software. It has an XP compatibility mode, for running older programs. It's a virtual XP emulator though, that must be added as a download. And it actually requires a licensed copy of XP to install as well. It lets you run XP software, but it's definitely geared toward compatibility and not performance. It will likely be pretty processor intensive...

http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/04/24/secret-no-more-revealing-virtual-windows-xp-for-windows-7.aspx

Norman Einstein
06-04-2009, 09:37 PM
Well... it shares a lot of Vista's kernel. Software designed for Vista will definitely run better on it than software designed for XP. It's not exactly what I would consider more friendly to XP compatible software. It has an XP compatibility mode, for running older programs. It's a virtual XP emulator though, that must be added as a download. And it actually requires a licensed copy of XP to install as well. It lets you run XP software, but it's definitely geared toward compatibility and not performance. It will likely be pretty processor intensive...

http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/04/24/secret-no-more-revealing-virtual-windows-xp-for-windows-7.aspx

It doesn't seem that way to me, but I've not loaded any of the programs I use in XP, but I'm not going to pony up $4,000 just to see if it works. I'll let the IT guys at work figure out if they want to move from XP to 7.

Fish
06-04-2009, 09:46 PM
It doesn't seem that way to me, but I've not loaded any of the programs I use in XP, but I'm not going to pony up $4,000 just to see if it works. I'll let the IT guys at work figure out if they want to move from XP to 7.

The Windows XP mode is a VirtualPC environment. Any time you run a virtual environment app it's going to be pretty resource intensive. It takes a lot to emulate an OS within another OS, and make it run smoothly.

Buehler445
06-04-2009, 10:34 PM
Cool. Thanks Fish.

I looked through Microsoft's website at the improvements and wasn't impressed. I grew up on the old stuff, so I think very heirarchically. When they try to "make things more convenient" it fucks up my chi.

That's one thing that pissed me off about Office 2007. I'd memorized a bunch of keystrokes to get through the menus, and now the menus are gone and there aren't any keystroke shortcuts that I know of. :cuss:

Anyway, most of the convenience stuff doesn't appeal to me much.

I am optomistic about it being sped up.

Fish
06-04-2009, 10:45 PM
Cool. Thanks Fish.

I looked through Microsoft's website at the improvements and wasn't impressed. I grew up on the old stuff, so I think very heirarchically. When they try to "make things more convenient" it ****s up my chi.

That's one thing that pissed me off about Office 2007. I'd memorized a bunch of keystrokes to get through the menus, and now the menus are gone and there aren't any keystroke shortcuts that I know of. :cuss:

Anyway, most of the convenience stuff doesn't appeal to me much.

I am optomistic about it being sped up.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290938

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3236&page=1

Buehler445
06-04-2009, 10:58 PM
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290938

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3236&page=1

Rep. Still pissed though. There's a lot of them that I just need to get to through a menu. I hate using my mouse.

Valiant
06-04-2009, 11:41 PM
If you want the truth about it.... please take a look at this very detailed study done my Tom's Hardware about Apple pricing....

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-mac-leopard-windows-vista,1985.html

But I'd rather talk about Windows 7.... which is going to be a very good OS and well worth the price....

Seems to me they skewed the test by picking a overpriced and crappy dell on just hardware..

KevB
06-04-2009, 11:42 PM
That's one thing that pissed me off about Office 2007. I'd memorized a bunch of keystrokes to get through the menus, and now the menus are gone and there aren't any keystroke shortcuts that I know of. :cuss:

Most of my keyboard shortcuts in Excel 2007 remained the same (and I use them religiously).

I'm tempted to throw W7 on my desktop at home that runs XP, but I've never set up partitions or run two OS's before. I do backup my data onto an external hard drive, so I suppose I'm covered if something bad happened.

J Diddy
06-06-2009, 09:56 PM
Here's some easy instructions.

http://lifehacker.com/5126781/how-to-dual-boot-windows-7-with-xp-or-vista

Although I hesitate to tell someone to use an on-the-fly re-partitioning app. Too many factors that could go wrong, resulting in loss of data. In the least, you should do a complete backup before trying it.

To safely do it? I'd recommend using something like Ghost to take a snap shot of your current partition. Save that image file on an external drive. Partition the drive with a startup disk. Dump the ghost image onto the primary partition. Run the Win7 disk, and install it on the secondary partition.

Unbeknownst to me vista has it's own built in repartitioning software. Took 3 min, downloading 7 now.

Buehler445
06-07-2009, 12:29 AM
Cool. Thanks Fish.

I looked through Microsoft's website at the improvements and wasn't impressed. I grew up on the old stuff, so I think very heirarchically. When they try to "make things more convenient" it fucks up my chi.

That's one thing that pissed me off about Office 2007. I'd memorized a bunch of keystrokes to get through the menus, and now the menus are gone and there aren't any keystroke shortcuts that I know of. :cuss:

Anyway, most of the convenience stuff doesn't appeal to me much.

I am optomistic about it being sped up.

I found some new ones today. In 2003, if you pressed Alt, it would send you up to the menus and you could make selections from the menus using keystrokes. I was pissed when 07 used "ribbons" or whatever the fuck they are called because there were no more menus. Well, if you press Alt, now, it pops up with keystrokes you can use. They've all changed of course, but I can relearn them if I need to.

I'm less pissed off.

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2009, 12:33 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with everything I'm hearing about Win7 and especially happy I've never had to use Vista very much.

J Diddy
06-07-2009, 01:25 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with everything I'm hearing about Win7 and especially happy I've never had to use Vista very much.


I guess I'm just weird. I've been using vista for a year and had no problems. That being said I"m just plain curious about the new version.

KevB
06-07-2009, 09:40 AM
I guess I'm just weird. I've been using vista for a year and had no problems. That being said I"m just plain curious about the new version.

I've been using Vista at work since it came out, and it's been ok. My pc is significantly slower than I'd like, but I don't know if it's all the other crap, er, Enterprise related software my company runs on it. Either way, I should be getting a new lappy with 4 GB of RAM about the same time we get W7, so things should get quite a bit zippier for me all at once.

J Diddy
06-07-2009, 02:47 PM
Okay I went to install it and on the opening screen it says "dvd, cd rom driver not found please install driver before you continue"

anyone else have this problem and if so how did they fix it?

Fish
06-07-2009, 03:01 PM
Okay I went to install it and on the opening screen it says "dvd, cd rom driver not found please install driver before you continue"

anyone else have this problem and if so how did they fix it?

That sounds like a bad burn. Burn another copy, and bump it down to a slower burn speed.

Make sure you got a good copy. Some of the torrented copies are corrupt. So if in doubt, get the RC directly from M$.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx

J Diddy
06-07-2009, 05:08 PM
That sounds like a bad burn. Burn another copy, and bump it down to a slower burn speed.

Make sure you got a good copy. Some of the torrented copies are corrupt. So if in doubt, get the RC directly from M$.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx


yeah I downloaded the first copy straight from ms but you were right it was a bad burn I reburned it at a lower speed and am using it right now.

J Diddy
06-07-2009, 05:43 PM
holy shit the snipping tool is awesome .

Guru
06-07-2009, 06:28 PM
Do we know the pricing structure yet? That is when I will laugh.

KCFalcon59
06-07-2009, 07:14 PM
Do we know the pricing structure yet? That is when I will laugh.

They're not going to give it away. I would bet it will be similar to Vista.

Guru
06-07-2009, 07:17 PM
They're not going to give it away. I would bet it will be similar to Vista.Over priced. Got it. heh

Anything over $100 is too much.

KCFalcon59
06-07-2009, 07:24 PM
Anything over $100 is too much.

Why?

J Diddy
06-07-2009, 07:26 PM
Why?

Guru's cheap.
:)

I'd say $150.

Guru
06-07-2009, 09:44 PM
Why?Because I am tired of being expected to pay for faulty programming. No matter how good Win7 may be, it will be full of holes they will have to patch up, slowing it down in the process. Par for the course with M$.

Guru
06-07-2009, 09:44 PM
Guru's cheap.
:)

I'd say $150.:LOL::thumb:

KCFalcon59
06-07-2009, 09:57 PM
Because I am tired of being expected to pay for faulty programming. No matter how good Win7 may be, it will be full of holes they will have to patch up, slowing it down in the process. Par for the course with M$.

You can just about say that about all companies and their software. Microsoft just gets more negative press than the others.

Guru
06-07-2009, 10:01 PM
You can just about say that about all companies and their software. Microsoft just gets more negative press than the others.I was about to switch to Linux after I found Mint.com. My Kodak printer doesn't have Linux drivers though. heh

don't get me wrong, I really like Windows 7 but I know it will be way overpriced. Plus, they will do that same ridiculous pricing structure of home, pro, ultimate and server. there is still that rumor of a basic version that will limit how may apps will run too. Haven't heard if that has been debunked yet.

I still love apple's response to that with osX when they said we have one product for all four markets and they are all $110.

KCFalcon59
06-07-2009, 10:45 PM
I was about to switch to Linux after I found Mint.com. My Kodak printer doesn't have Linux drivers though. heh

don't get me wrong, I really like Windows 7 but I know it will be way overpriced. Plus, they will do that same ridiculous pricing structure of home, pro, ultimate and server. there is still that rumor of a basic version that will limit how may apps will run too. Haven't heard if that has been debunked yet.

I still love apple's response to that with osX when they said we have one product for all four markets and they are all $110.

I read that MS has dropped the app limit (http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2925) on the basic version.

J Diddy
06-07-2009, 10:53 PM
I read that MS has dropped the app limit (http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2925) on the basic version.


The fact that they even mulled that thought through their heads almost makes me want to side with guru on saying fuck them.

KCFalcon59
06-07-2009, 11:02 PM
The fact that they even mulled that thought through their heads almost makes me want to side with guru on saying fuck them.

To be fair, I think the only versions we would be able to buy here is the premium and ultimate versions. I thought the basic version was meant for other markets, resource challenged pc's.

J Diddy
06-07-2009, 11:16 PM
To be fair, I think the only versions we would be able to buy here is the premium and ultimate versions. I thought the basic version was meant for other markets, resource challenged pc's.

Still just makes me feel icky inside.

DaFace
06-07-2009, 11:47 PM
To be fair, I think the only versions we would be able to buy here is the premium and ultimate versions. I thought the basic version was meant for other markets, resource challenged pc's.

Yep. They were planning to offer that version cheaper since the PC's they were aiming them for wouldn't have the hardware to be able to handle it (from my understanding).

KCFalcon59
06-08-2009, 08:13 AM
Still just makes me feel icky inside.

You may have gas. Try some antacid. ;)

HC_Chief
06-08-2009, 10:40 AM
I read that MS has dropped the app limit (http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2925) on the basic version.

That's good news. I know they got a lot of bad press over that one. The reason for it is logical: that version is meant for netbooks. The limitation was to ensure optimal performance.

irishjayhawk
06-08-2009, 12:50 PM
I know this is a Windows 7 thread, but since we've hit all cylinders, I thought I'd point out an interesting announcement.

For OS X users, Snow Leopard will only cost $29.

Guru
06-08-2009, 01:24 PM
I know this is a Windows 7 thread, but since we've hit all cylinders, I thought I'd point out an interesting announcement.

For OS X users, Snow Leopard will only cost $29.Damn you Bill Gates.:doh!:

Fish
06-08-2009, 01:27 PM
I know this is a Windows 7 thread, but since we've hit all cylinders, I thought I'd point out an interesting announcement.

For OS X users, Snow Leopard will only cost $29.

Yeah.... that's gonna make some waves.... Great job on Apple's part. They're including full support for Microsoft Exchange built in to the OS too. That will be huge.

HC_Chief
06-08-2009, 01:45 PM
Yeah.... that's gonna make some waves.... Great job on Apple's part. They're including full support for Microsoft Exchange built in to the OS too. That will be huge.

Heard that one before. Hope they actually follow through this time (rather than partial integration as with the iPhone)

Fish
06-08-2009, 02:26 PM
Heard that one before. Hope they actually follow through this time (rather than partial integration as with the iPhone)

Yeah, it will be far from perfect. And much of their motivation is indeed for extended support for the iPhone. But it's definitely a step in the right direction...

Some limitations:

No Notes and Tasks support
No PST support
No Public Folder support
No MAPI
Might not work with Exchange 2000/2003 (Not that much of a bad thing, as folks should be up to Exhange 2007 anyway)

And it should be noted that the $29 price will only be for existing owners of 10.5 Leopard. If you don't own Leopard, it will still cost $129.

dirk digler
06-09-2009, 09:06 AM
Pricing info from Best Buy

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/06/05/leaked-best-buy-memo-reveals-windows-7-upgrade-pricing

http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/best-buy-windows-7-memo-small.jpg

According to the image above, Best Buy will offer customers to order a Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade for $49.99 and Windows 7 Professional Upgrade for $99.99. As far as I'm concerned this is going to give a huge break to today's consumers as they are tightening their pocket books in order to prevail through these tough economic times. So is this really cheaper than Windows Vista? Let's examine the costs.

When Windows Vista was launched back in November of 2006, the upgrade options and pricing were: Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade $129.95 and Vista Business Upgrade was $199.95. With that in mind users who are upgrading from Windows Vista to Windows 7 are going to be saving between 60 and 50% this time around. Now if this is legitimate, I think it's time to say that the tech world and blogosphere alike are fixing to applause Microsoft for making the right decision.

Basileus777
06-09-2009, 09:45 AM
Any word on what the full retail version (not upgrade) will cost?

Guru
06-09-2009, 01:45 PM
I certainly hope this is true. I would be willing to pay $50 for home. I prefer Ultimate but could live as I doubt I utilize all the features anyway.

J Diddy
06-26-2009, 03:47 PM
I certainly hope this is true. I would be willing to pay $50 for home. I prefer Ultimate but could live as I doubt I utilize all the features anyway.



I just got an email where you can preorder your copy of windows $49 for home and $99 for pro, online only until july 11 or whenever they've exhausted their supplies.

Participating vendors are bestbuy, newegg, tigerdirect and a few others.

J Diddy
06-26-2009, 03:53 PM
I just got an email where you can preorder your copy of windows $49 for home and $99 for pro, online only until july 11 or whenever they've exhausted their supplies.

Participating vendors are bestbuy, newegg, tigerdirect and a few others.


was going to go with bestbuy but decided on newegg for various reasons one of which paying no tax.

That's right $49.99 is all I paid.

Fruit Ninja
06-26-2009, 05:51 PM
hmm.. it just says upgrade. I Really want it, but can i do a direct install of windows 7 ? i dont want to write over vista?

Guru
06-26-2009, 06:01 PM
hmm.. it just says upgrade. I Really want it, but can i do a direct install of windows 7 ? i dont want to write over vista?Yes you can.

KCFalcon59
06-26-2009, 06:13 PM
Yes you can.

Are you sure? I thought only if you have XP will it allow you to do a clean install.

Fruit Ninja
06-26-2009, 06:43 PM
Are you sure? I thought only if you have XP will it allow you to do a clean install.

50 bucks for the 64 bit version is awesome. i have no issues paying that, but if its 150. Fuck MS i will pirate that shit.

J Diddy
06-26-2009, 06:48 PM
hmm.. it just says upgrade. I Really want it, but can i do a direct install of windows 7 ? i dont want to write over vista?



Do you have a vista install disk? If so it should let you write to a blank partition.

Frazod
06-26-2009, 07:02 PM
I just got an email where you can preorder your copy of windows $49 for home and $99 for pro, online only until july 11 or whenever they've exhausted their supplies.

Participating vendors are bestbuy, newegg, tigerdirect and a few others.

That I'll pay. Annoying, but comparatively reasonable.

I guess the greedy bastards are starting to learn a bit.

Guru
06-26-2009, 08:11 PM
Are you sure? I thought only if you have XP will it allow you to do a clean install.It will require a clean install but as long as you have XP or vista on your computer currently it will allow you to do it without having to purchase a full version of the software. Based on their wording that is what it sounds like to me.

Guru
06-26-2009, 08:13 PM
That I'll pay. Annoying, but comparatively reasonable.

I guess the greedy bastards are starting to learn a bit.Yeah, I am considering it at that price as well. Just have to boot up my wifes computer to see if it is good enough to handle 7 before I fork it up for two computers. Maybe even 3 if I upgrade my sons which is on Linux right now. I just need to find out if his graphics card is considered OK.

Guru
06-26-2009, 09:56 PM
Damn, Newegg is limited to 1 per customer.

KCFalcon59
06-26-2009, 10:26 PM
Damn, Newegg is limited to 1 per customer.

I could have swore it was 3 earlier today.

Saulbadguy
06-26-2009, 10:30 PM
Do you have a vista install disk? If so it should let you write to a blank partition.

Couldn't do that with vista.

J Diddy
06-26-2009, 10:41 PM
Couldn't do that with vista.

If worse comes to worse, couldn't you just create a partion load vista on it (or a restore to a new drive) and then upgrade from there. You shouldn't even have to activate before you upgraded.

Guru
06-26-2009, 10:53 PM
Looks like I will have to reinstall Vista to then upgrade to 7. Heh, what a pain in the ass.

Basileus777
06-26-2009, 11:31 PM
I've been running the Windows 7 RC for about a week, and I like it. Other than a few minor driver issues everything has been smooth.

Basileus777
06-26-2009, 11:57 PM
So if I buy an upgrade version, will I have to install XP and all that just to get 7 up and running or will my CD key be enough?

I'm running the RC on a new computer, but I figure if using my the XP version from old laptop will get me a cheaper version of Windows 7, I'll do that, especially since the upgrade is selling for only $50 right now.

J Diddy
06-27-2009, 12:28 AM
So if I buy an upgrade version, will I have to install XP and all that just to get 7 up and running or will my CD key be enough?

I'm running the RC on a new computer, but I figure if using my the XP version from old laptop will get me a cheaper version of Windows 7, I'll do that, especially since the upgrade is selling for only $50 right now.

In previous versions of windows you could do an upgrade just by presenting the disk during a clean install. I was just informed you couldn't do that with vista (which I didn't know, my laptop came with it preinstalled) so I doubt windows 7 will allow you to install an upgrade without xp or vista being installed on the disk.

Guru
06-27-2009, 01:16 AM
In previous versions of windows you could do an upgrade just by presenting the disk during a clean install. I was just informed you couldn't do that with vista (which I didn't know, my laptop came with it preinstalled) so I doubt windows 7 will allow you to install an upgrade without xp or vista being installed on the disk.Vista actually had a workaround for this if you have the patience for it.

Install Vista and leave the product key blank. It will install a 30 day trial on your machine. After Vista is installed you could then insert the upgrade disk again, start the upgrade process right from windows and bingo, you have the new clean install of Vista without having to own any previous versions of Windows. Of course, Microsoft will probably have closed the loophole for Windows 7.

KC Jones
06-28-2009, 04:58 PM
I've been running the Windows 7 RC for about a week, and I like it. Other than a few minor driver issues everything has been smooth.

I've been running it for over a month now and have been loving it. I have a bias against MS, but I have been very happy with this OS.

KCFalcon59
06-28-2009, 11:14 PM
Vista actually had a workaround for this if you have the patience for it.

Install Vista and leave the product key blank. It will install a 30 day trial on your machine. After Vista is installed you could then insert the upgrade disk again, start the upgrade process right from windows and bingo, you have the new clean install of Vista without having to own any previous versions of Windows. Of course, Microsoft will probably have closed the loophole for Windows 7.

You can do a clean install. Right from Microsoft (http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Windows-Windows-7/category/102) website.

:thumb:

Guru
06-29-2009, 12:34 PM
I just hope I don't have to reinstall the entire XP and Vista OS on my 3 computers to get the clean install option. right now I am running the RC1 on all three.

Saulbadguy
07-03-2009, 01:59 PM
Family pack? Paging Guru....


http://www.techspot.com/news/35321-microsoft-to-offer-threeuser-windows-7-family-pack.html

Guru
07-03-2009, 04:00 PM
Family pack? Paging Guru....


http://www.techspot.com/news/35321-microsoft-to-offer-threeuser-windows-7-family-pack.htmlI got my family pack for only $150. But thanks. heh