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Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 07:17 AM
Wow......Unreal.



http://www.kansascity.com/226/story/1238798.html



Another day, another racial controversy at the Power & Light District.

For a year, the black community has been in arms about perceived racism at the entertainment district, a place their tax money helped fund. But it’s always rebutted. Everyone is welcome at the P&L, officials say.

Well, those who follow the hip-hop music scene have more to chew on since late Saturday night, when one of hip-hop’s icons, DJ Jazzy Jeff, cut short a set of music and left the stage in a dispute over the kind of music his show was spinning.

I walked in just as he was walking off the stage. He had performed less than 30 minutes.

The crowd booed and I heard people, both black and white, yell about how the Power & Light didn’t want him to play hip-hop. I wasn’t sure what happened, but I knew it was bad.

A conversation I had with him early Sunday confirmed it.

He might be best known as one half of DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince, but he is more than Will Smith’s old DJ and friend. The two won the first rap Grammy.

Jeff Townes, his given name, is legendary. He introduced “transforming,” the scratching technique turntablists use. This man has toured for 25 years. He’s an acclaimed producer.

So what exactly happened?

According to his tweets (twitter.com/djjazzyjeff215), he was kicked offstage for playing hip-hop. Jon Stephens, president of the Power & Light District, says it was about the sound levels.

“The issue that arose with the performance last night was completely about the sound levels,” he said Sunday. “His audio tech was maxing out the sound system to a point that risked damage to the speakers and sound system. His sound techs and management refused to bring the decibel level down. They were told to bring it down or cease performance. They refused to go on.”

Hours after he returned to his Philadelphia home, I spoke to Jazzy Jeff on the phone to hear his side.

His set started with sounds of hip-hop and pop favorites — Jay-Z, Biz Markie, Rihanna. His MC, Skillz, hyped up the crowd.

But after 15 minutes or so, in the middle of an R&B hit by Ne-Yo, “Miss Independent,” he was told to stop.

“My road manager walked up to me and said they were having problems with the music I was playing,” Jazzy Jeff told me. “I played three more songs and he comes back. I knew something was wrong. They said I had to kick Skillz off the stage, change the format of the music I was playing or quit. They said if I continued playing they had 30 cops ready to come escort me offstage. So I stopped.”

Jon Stephens says that isn’t so.

“Obviously we have a desire to book a diversity of acts,” he said. “We booked Jazzy Jeff on a Saturday night, the biggest night of the week in the district. We were excited to have him there. It’s unfortunate that his sound and management people had problems adhering to the sound and audio rules. We wanted him to play. That’s why we booked him.”

Jazzy Jeff was excited to play here too.

But it all went wrong. Venue officials said the set attracted the wrong kind of element, he says.

“They said they didn’t like Skillz’s posture,” Jeff said. “They said he made gang-like signs and grabbed at his genitals.”

So P&L officials wanted him offstage. But Jeff felt it was wrong because Skillz is no gang member. He is a father. His hand gestures were the kind of excited movements you make to get the crowd excited.

He wasn’t cursing or being offensive.

“I was playing Rihanna; she is Top 40,” he says. “If they would have let my set play, they would have known I play everything. I play rock, funk, soul, pop, hip-hop, reggae. I don’t play for a certain genre, race or gender. I play for music lovers.”

In his 25-year career, at 44 years old, Jeff has never been told to end a set because of hip-hop. He says he has never felt that kind of racism. The “element” that officials referred to felt like a reference to black people, a hip-hop crowd.

“I’m in shock,” he says. “I didn’t understand what element they were talking about. I looked out in the crowd and it was multicultural, but about 75 percent white. Everyone was having a great time. I wondered what was so offensive. I never had a race issue. I didn’t know how to feel. I was playing ‘Just a Friend.’ Is that offensive? What element? It’s uncomfortable when you feel unwanted.”

Lzen
06-08-2009, 07:24 AM
I'm not sure I'm buying the claim that they didn't like the hip hop. It doesn't make sense why they would book a hip hop performer if they didn't want that "element".

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 07:27 AM
I'm not sure I'm buying the claim that they didn't like the hip hop. It doesn't make sense why they would book a hip hop performer if they didn't want that "element".

Yea, kind of strange isnt it?

bishop_74
06-08-2009, 07:29 AM
...and how is that racial if they invited him? At the very least they hate Hip Hop not black people.

Skip Towne
06-08-2009, 07:37 AM
Don't care

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 07:41 AM
For a year, the black community has been in arms about perceived racism at the entertainment district, a place their tax money helped fund. But it’s always rebutted. Everyone is welcome at the P&L, officials say.


I would go as far as saying that most of the black people complaining about this so called racism at the PL district, DON'T pay taxes. But thats just me.

Who can blame them though? They're revamping that entire side of the city and they don't want it to completely and immediately turn into what Westport has become, which has been take over by crime and drug addicts and gangs.

LaChapelle
06-08-2009, 07:44 AM
They should just play Amish music. But then again, they'd have to deal with horse poop.

Nzoner
06-08-2009, 07:51 AM
P&L should be a little more concerned about their bar in the public area,I paid $10(including $2 tip) to have a margarita brought to me that tasted like bad,weak lemonade and when I complained the waitress offered me $1 of my tip money back :spock: so I went to the bar to complain and that did no good.They're dead to me,if and when I go back I'll drink from the other bars.

HypnotizedMonkey
06-08-2009, 07:55 AM
P&L Just Don't Understand

gblowfish
06-08-2009, 07:59 AM
The MAN is trying to keep DJ Jazzy Jeff down!

blaise
06-08-2009, 08:00 AM
I'm not sure I'm buying the claim that they didn't like the hip hop. It doesn't make sense why they would book a hip hop performer if they didn't want that "element".

That was my thought. His story makes less sense than the owner's.

BigRedChief
06-08-2009, 08:01 AM
I'm not sure I'm buying the claim that they didn't like the hip hop. It doesn't make sense why they would book a hip hop performer if they didn't want that "element".
Yeah, I'm not buying the race card in this one. Why book him if you don't want rap played in the P&L district? Thats his musical style.

But, I do agree that the P&L is bordering on racial profiling with its rules. And I understand why. Just look at how fast and far Westport has fallen. You can't operate a business if the clients are scared to park and walk outside near your business.

mikeyis4dcats.
06-08-2009, 08:03 AM
Reading between the lines, Jeff may actually believe and have been told that by his people. It makes his management look better to be railing against the man than to admit they thought they were above the rules.

KCUnited
06-08-2009, 08:11 AM
I live in the river market and have never stopped in the p & l. Its a joke.

jiveturkey
06-08-2009, 08:17 AM
I actually visited Westport for the first time in many years a couple of weekends ago because a friend of the wife wanted to celebrate her 30'th down there.

I was expecting to get stabbed, shot, aids and then robbed. It actually seemed more tame than it did 10 years ago.

stevieray
06-08-2009, 08:23 AM
clubbing is overrated...too many posers....and prices for drinks...?

the hell with that..rip someone else off.

Demonpenz
06-08-2009, 08:28 AM
I like to take my 30,000 dollars and work out all day long just to get bombed and wear sandles, button down shirt and extra spikey hair all its like minor league dankcman! I have no problem with the dog and pony show down there actually. Good for them I rarely take my money out of lenexa these days though

Micjones
06-08-2009, 08:30 AM
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I would go as far as saying that most of the black people complaining about this so called racism at the PL district, DON'T pay taxes. But thats just me.

I love the idea that there's some large contingent of Black people who are speaking out against Cordish's business practices that've found a way to circumvent being taxed.

This seriously calls your credibility into question CoMo.

Who can blame them though? They're revamping that entire side of the city and they don't want it to completely and immediately turn into what Westport has become, which has been take over by crime and drug addicts and gangs.

Unfortunately, when you're being subsidized by some of the very people you'd like to exclude you can't play the "picking and choosing" game.

Nzoner
06-08-2009, 08:30 AM
A week ago Friday P&L had Liverpool,the Beatles cover band there and it wasn't just good it was excellent,too bad I had the bad experience with the margarita or it would have been a perfect evening.

Demonpenz
06-08-2009, 08:34 AM
awe yeah

wutamess
06-08-2009, 08:34 AM
I would go as far as saying that most of the black people complaining about this so called racism at the PL district, DON'T pay taxes. But thats just me.


That is just DUMB! Hate to turn this into a race thread but ignorance is ignorance. And you wonder why black people play victim... It's because YOU think we're nothing but government assisted filth. You're THAT GUY that fuels the issues with your stereotypes! You're too young to be THAT ignorant.

I know... You probably have black friends.


Who can blame them though? They're revamping that entire side of the city and they don't want it to completely and immediately turn into what Westport has become, which has been take over by crime and drug addicts and gangs.

Another ignorant statement. It's not the Plaza but it's not The Wire either. EVERYBODY can still go there and have a great time without having to look over your shoulder the entire time.

~ Thought you were better than that.

Fairplay
06-08-2009, 08:37 AM
This Friday at the P@L district is wear your bling day.

blaise
06-08-2009, 08:38 AM
They should have had Carlton come down and spin records.

wild1
06-08-2009, 08:40 AM
I don't think the dress code is racist if it's applied to everyone equally. it's a good thing if you ask me.

As far as Jazzy Jeff goes... right, they didn't want hip hop played, that's why they booked you at great expense.

I don't buy it. I think they probably asked him to turn it down to avoid damaging the sound system just like they say, but he and his crew took it as disrespect to them and stormed off. Punk MFers trying to ban hip hop.... right...

wild1
06-08-2009, 08:41 AM
EVERYBODY can still go [to westport] and have a great time without having to look over your shoulder the entire time.


until sundown

Phobia
06-08-2009, 08:43 AM
That is just DUMB! Hate to turn this into a race thread but ignorance is ignorance. And you wonder why black people play victim... It's because YOU think we're nothing but government assisted filth. You're THAT GUY that fuels the issues with your stereotypes! You're too young to be THAT ignorant.

I know... You probably have black friends.




Another ignorant statement. It's not the Plaza but it's not The Wire either. EVERYBODY can still go there and have a great time without having to look over your shoulder the entire time.

~ Thought you were better than that.

He's being an idiot. The only way somebody could avoid taxes is to move to Montana and live off the land. That's why I ignored it. You should too.

Phobia
06-08-2009, 08:45 AM
I agree with most here. There's no chance Cordish would book an R&B act if they didn't want R&B played. I'm no fan of Cordish or the P&L but I buy the explanation of the rich white guy this time.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 08:45 AM
I don't think the dress code is racist if it's applied to everyone equally. it's a good thing if you ask me.

As far as Jazzy Jeff goes... right, they didn't want hip hop played, that's why they booked you at great expense.

I don't buy it. I think they probably asked him to turn it down to avoid damaging the sound system just like they say, but he and his crew took it as disrespect to them and stormed off. Punk MFers trying to ban hip hop.... right...

Anyone with an ounce of experience and knowledge on the subject realizes that Jon Stephens' explanation of what took place is a load of shit.

You simply don't invest $500,000 into a soundsystem without also putting safety features in place to protect it. Compressors, limiters, etc. I'm sorry, but after having 12 hours to circle the wagons that was the lamest excuse he could've come up with.

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 08:45 AM
I don't think the dress code is racist if it's applied to everyone equally. it's a good thing if you ask me.

As far as Jazzy Jeff goes... right, they didn't want hip hop played, that's why they booked you at great expense.

I don't buy it. I think they probably asked him to turn it down to avoid damaging the sound system just like they say, but he and his crew took it as disrespect to them and stormed off. Punk MFers trying to ban hip hop.... right...

It sounds like a communication problem between Jazzy Jeff and the P&L people more than anything.


Lets hope both parties cool off and try and try to re-establish open communcation again.

Hopefully its not too late....

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 08:47 AM
Anyone with an ounce of experience and knowledge on the subject realizes that Jon Stephens' explanation of what took place is a load of shit.

You simply don't invest $500,000 into a soundsystem without also putting safety features in place to protect it. Compressors, limiters, etc. I'm sorry, but after having 12 hours to circle the wagons that was the lamest excuse he could've come up with.


Why would you book a hip hop artist only to boot him off mid set because you dont like the type of music he plays? Doesnt compute??

Phobia
06-08-2009, 08:47 AM
Anyone with an ounce of experience and knowledge on the subject realizes that Jon Stephens' explanation of what took place is a load of shit.

You simply don't invest $500,000 into a soundsystem without also putting safety features in place to protect it. Compressors, limiters, etc. I'm sorry, but after having 12 hours to circle the wagons that was the lamest excuse he could've come up with.

Okay, I'll defer to your $500,000 sound system experience.

Are you suggesting that maybe they booked DJ Jazzy Jeff expecting some Winger cover songs? "She's only seventeeeeeeeeeeen, Daddy says she's too young but she's old enough for me!"

wild1
06-08-2009, 08:49 AM
It sounds like a communication problem between Jazzy Jeff and the P&L people more than anything.


Probably. They could have walked off in a huff, been too proud to come back on, and then they have to cover themselves. "They kicked us off for playing hip hop..."

Sorry, but that doesn't wash. Like what they wanted was for the show to end early and have an angry crowd on their hands and a mountain of bad publicity. They aren't idiots. They have nothing to gain by doing that.

wild1
06-08-2009, 08:50 AM
By the way, this would be funnier if they had thrown him out of KC Live like Uncle Phil used to throw him out of the front door.

Dayze
06-08-2009, 08:51 AM
probably just a case of people complaining for the sake of complaining. P & L and DJ JJ etc.

Dayze
06-08-2009, 08:52 AM
By the way, this would be funnier if they had thrown him out of KC Live like Uncle Phil used to throw him out of the front door.

LMAOLMAO

blaise
06-08-2009, 08:53 AM
Anyone with an ounce of experience and knowledge on the subject realizes that Jon Stephens' explanation of what took place is a load of shit.

You simply don't invest $500,000 into a soundsystem without also putting safety features in place to protect it. Compressors, limiters, etc. I'm sorry, but after having 12 hours to circle the wagons that was the lamest excuse he could've come up with.

Yes it's much more plausible to assume he booked Jazzy Jeff and then after he had people in the club and the show started decided he didn't want any hip-hop music being played.

Okeydokey.

Obviously it was a grand racial conspiracy this guy took weeks setting up, just to get at the wildly famous DJ Jazzy Jeff.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 08:55 AM
Why would you book a hip hop artist only to boot him off mid set because you dont like the type of music he plays? Doesnt compute??

Cordish didn't book Jazzy Jeff.
I know the promoter who did...personally.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 08:57 AM
Yes it's much more plausible to assume he booked Jazzy Jeff and then after he had people in the club and the show started decided he didn't want any hip-hop music being played.

Okeydokey.

Obviously it was a grand racial conspiracy this guy took weeks setting up, just to get at the wildly famous DJ Jazzy Jeff.

Oh Blaise...
You're always so misinformed.

Again...
Cordish DID NOT book Jazzy Jeff.

blaise
06-08-2009, 09:00 AM
Oh Blaise...
You're always so misinformed.

Again...
Cordish DID NOT book Jazzy Jeff.


And apparently had no idea who would be playing there either. I don't go down there but someone let me know if they ever play Rhianna or Jay Z music. If they play them on other nights then it pretty much blows Jazzy Jeff's argument to hell.

Demonpenz
06-08-2009, 09:04 AM
why would the book a crap dj and if they didn't want that style music

Micjones
06-08-2009, 09:06 AM
And apparently had no idea who would be playing there either. I don't go down there but someone let me know if they ever play Rhianna or Jay Z music. If they play them on other nights then it pretty much blows Jazzy Jeff's argument to hell.

Not 5 minutes ago you were certain that Cordish had personally booked DJJJ for the KC Live performance. I'm sure now you're certain that Cordish officials were aware of who Jeff Townes was and what his playlist would comprise. Got it.
:rolleyes:

KCL typically does not entertain Rap acts of ANY kind.

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 09:12 AM
If his name as George Smith would thay have booked him...or thrown him out?

and another thing, Power and Light. Is there a power plant there or something? Do they have tours?

stevieray
06-08-2009, 09:14 AM
If his name as George Smith would thay have booked him...or thrown him out?

and another thing, Power and Light. Is there a power plant there or something? Do they have tours?KC Power and Light bulidng downtown ...14th and Baltimore.

My mom worked at IBM across the street for 30 years

Nzoner
06-08-2009, 09:14 AM
why would the book a crap dj and if they didn't want that style music

Since there's so much speculation in this thread how about this angle....

P&L booked the act knowing exactly what they were getting and upon hearing about all this so called racial profiling going on Jazzy J and his posse decided to pull this stunt to try and stick it to the white man knowing the bad press it would create.

Either way I could give 2 shits,I don't much care for the place except that Gordon Biersch brew pub,damn tasty beers there.

Demonpenz
06-08-2009, 09:16 AM
Since there's so much speculation in this thread how about this angle....

P&L booked the act knowing exactly what they were getting and upon hearing about all this so called racial profiling going on Jazzy J and his posse decided to pull this stunt to try and stick it to the white man knowing the bad press it would create.

Either way I could give 2 shits,I don't much care for the place except that Gordon Biersch brew pub,damn tasty beers there.

yeah I don't actually know I am just throwing passing dumb comments. I would defer to MicJones he seems to be the most plugged in. on a tee/

blaise
06-08-2009, 09:16 AM
Not 5 minutes ago you were certain that Cordish had personally booked DJJJ for the KC Live performance. I'm sure now you're certain that Cordish officials were aware of who Jeff Townes was and what his playlist would comprise. Got it.
:rolleyes:

KCL typically does not entertain Rap acts of ANY kind.

I don't remember ever saying Cordish at all. And I didn't ask if they typically booked rap acts. I asked if they play hip hop music.

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 09:17 AM
KC Power and Light bulidng downtown ...14th and Baltimore.

My mom worked at IBM across the street for 30 years

Thats very cool. Too bad downtown sucks these days. I bet she saw KC in a good time to be in the city.

KCUnited
06-08-2009, 09:19 AM
Why wouldn't ol boy turn it down, they get paid no matter what the volume level.

I could care less, but my speculation is they didn't have a problem with Rhianna and that other crap, but when the scary MC starting hyping they pulled the plug. I'm sure more will be coming out as it plays.

cmh6476
06-08-2009, 09:27 AM
jazzy shoulda called up his old pal freddy kreuger

Mr. Plow
06-08-2009, 09:39 AM
That is just DUMB! Hate to turn this into a race thread but ignorance is ignorance. And you wonder why black people play victim... It's because YOU think we're nothing but government assisted filth. You're THAT GUY that fuels the issues with your stereotypes! You're too young to be THAT ignorant.


Exactly what I was thinking.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 09:41 AM
Okay, I'll defer to your $500,000 sound system experience.

Don't take my word for it.
Do some research.

I've had experience with soundsystems that expensive though.
Hell... Anyone who invests 1% of what Cordish has, into their PA, would be foolish not to put such features in place.

Are you suggesting that maybe they booked DJ Jazzy Jeff expecting some Winger cover songs? "She's only seventeeeeeeeeeeen, Daddy says she's too young but she's old enough for me!"

Who is they?

Micjones
06-08-2009, 09:43 AM
Since there's so much speculation in this thread how about this angle....

P&L booked the act knowing exactly what they were getting and upon hearing about all this so called racial profiling going on Jazzy J and his posse decided to pull this stunt to try and stick it to the white man knowing the bad press it would create.

And they stand to gain exactly what from pulling such a stunt?
Jazzy Jeff lives in Philadelphia.
Boy I tell ya...

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 09:43 AM
but my speculation is they didn't have a problem with Rhianna and that other crap, but when the scary MC starting hyping they pulled the plug.

The more i think about it, this could have been what happened.


Thats what this other storys says. They strayed from the requested "Top 40" playlist.

http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1238957.html

Lzen
06-08-2009, 09:48 AM
~ Thought you were better than that.

ROFL That was your first mistake.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 09:48 AM
The more i think about it, this could have been what happened.


Thats what this other storys says. They strayed from the requested "Top 40" playlist.

http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1238957.html

Cordish head Jon Stephens said nothing at all about Jeff straying from a set playlist.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 09:50 AM
Cordish Pres. Jon Stephens is on 610AM right now.

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 09:56 AM
That is just DUMB! Hate to turn this into a race thread but ignorance is ignorance. And you wonder why black people play victim... It's because YOU think we're nothing but government assisted filth. You're THAT GUY that fuels the issues with your stereotypes! You're too young to be THAT ignorant.

I know... You probably have black friends.




Another ignorant statement. It's not the Plaza but it's not The Wire either. EVERYBODY can still go there and have a great time without having to look over your shoulder the entire time.

~ Thought you were better than that.


I call it how I see it. Bottom line is KC PL District doesn't want it to become another Westport for obvious reasons.

This isn't racial profiling. I went to PL one Sat night and at the entrance they were telling a group of thugs they couldnt come in because of what they were wearing. They had their pants sagged down with their asses hanging out, wife beaters, and red tilted hats all the same color. These hoodlums are the ones that are calling out P&L people racists. The people complaining about this are the ones that come out of the bad parts of town, claiming that city officials are trying to keep them away by having dress code requirements. You know what? If you dont wanna change out of your gang attire then go somewhere else that allows it (Westport).

There's nothing racist about it. No one is telling them they have to wear those kind of outfits. They CHOOSE to wear that kinda clothing. P&L is trying to stop trouble before it begins. It's been proven over and over again. People like that cause trouble at large gatherings like at late night clubs etc.

Had they come in with jeans just a regular shirt they would have been fine, but the culture they want to bring into that place isn't allowed. It isn't a racist thing as they choose what they want to look like. Put on some clothes that actually makes you look like you give a shit about life and there isn't any problem. The dress code is nothing more than a step to prevent certain issues from ever happening. They never once said "blacks can't come to P&L." There are a lot of african americans that go there. They just dont want any of the gang like activity or atmosphere to even step foot into the place which I totally agree with. The same goes for the white trash that want to present themselves in that manner as well. P&L doesn't want it there, and that's comepletely up to them.



As far as the Jazzy Jeff, I don't really believe his claim in stating they didn't want him to play Hip hop, he's a rap legend and officials KNOW that he's a hip hop legend and they wouldnt have booked him to play there if they didn't want to hear it. Just like they wouldnt book Garth Brooks there if they didn't want to hear country music.

Lzen
06-08-2009, 09:57 AM
They should have had Carlton come down and spin records.
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Demonpenz
06-08-2009, 09:58 AM
you holmes smell you later

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 10:01 AM
Cordish head Jon Stephens said nothing at all about Jeff straying from a set playlist.


I think they heard or saw something that made them feel uncomfortable.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:01 AM
I call it how I see it.

Given your previous comment about Black people who've found a way to circumvent the tax system...I'm not sure you're seeing much of anything. Seems to me that there's a huge tree in your line of sight. And that tree...is called ignorance.

This isn't racial profiling. I went to PL one Sat night and at the entrance they were telling a group of thugs they couldnt come in because of what they were wearing. They had their pants sagged down with their asses hanging out, wife beaters, and red tilted hats all the same color. These hoodlums are the ones that are calling out P&L people racists.

I'm not a hoodlum. I'm a law-abiding taxpaying citizen of Kansas City.
And many of the other people decrying the imbalanced handling of patrons in a taxpayer-funded development are just like me.

There's nothing racist about it. No one is telling them they have to wear those kind of outfits. They CHOOSE to wear that kinda clothing. P&L is trying to stop trouble before it begins. It's been proven over and over again. People like that cause trouble at large gatherings like at late night clubs etc.

Had they come in with jeans just a regular shirt they would have been fine, but the culture they want to bring into that place isn't allowed. It isn't a racist thing as they choose what they want to look like. Put on some clothes that actually makes you look like you give a shit about life and there isn't any problem. The dress code is nothing more than a step to prevent certain issues from ever happening. They never once said "blacks can't come to P&L." There are a lot of african americans that go there. They just dont want any of the gang like activity or atmosphere to even step foot into the place which I totally agree with. The same goes for the white trash that want to present themselves in that manner as well. P&L doesn't want it there, and that's comepletely up to them.



As far as the Jazzy Jeff, I don't really believe his claim in stating they didn't want him to play Hip hop, he's a rap legend and officials KNOW that he's a hip hop legend and they wouldnt have booked him to play there if they didn't want to hear it. Just like they wouldnt book Garth Brooks there if they didn't want to hear country music.

Because God knows that baggy pants indicate criminal intent.
No chance troublemakers wear Dockers and Doc Marten's.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 10:02 AM
The Power and WHITE district is a joke..I never felt comfortable down there and never will. Its funny how Kansas city urban core tax money partially paid to build a place that the urban community is not wanted, Just so some suburban folks can feel comfy from the big bad black man and his jungle music..what a fucking joke. The same company that built POWER AND WHITE district has already been sued behind these same issues in Kentucky and lost. If they want to build some shit like this and keep us out, at least build it in YOUR OWN FUCKING COMMUNITY AND NOT IN OURS.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:05 AM
I think they heard or saw something that made them feel uncomfortable.

What's that based on Deberg?

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:06 AM
The Power and WHITE district is a joke..I never felt comfortable down there and never will. Its funny how Kansas city urban core tax money partially paid to build a place that the urban community is not wanted, Just so some suburban folks can feel comfy from the big bad black man and his jungle music..what a fucking joke. The same company that built POWER AND WHITE district has already been sued behind these same issues in Kentucky and lost. If they want to build some shit like this and keep us out, at least build it in YOUR OWN FUCKING COMMUNITY AND NOT IN OURS.

It's ridiculous to play this game about who should and shouldn't be welcome at a development that's being subsidized by many of the baggy pants wearing folk they want to keep out.

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 10:08 AM
What's that based on Deberg?


This. I meant in the set, not in the crowd:



“They said they didn’t like Skillz’s posture,” Jeff said. “They said he made gang-like signs and grabbed at his genitals.”

So P&L officials wanted him offstage. But Jeff felt it was wrong because Skillz is no gang member. He is a father. His hand gestures were the kind of excited movements you make to get the crowd excited.

He wasn’t cursing or being offensive.

“I was playing Rihanna; she is Top 40,” he says. “If they would have let my set play, they would have known I play everything. I play rock, funk, soul, pop, hip-hop, reggae. I don’t play for a certain genre, race or gender. I play for music lovers.”

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:13 AM
This. I meant in the set, not in the crowd:

I think that might have a grain of truth to it, but that would reinforce the theory that these anachronistic ideas about urban culture is problematic.

Skillz has never run afoul of the law as an artist.
And he doesn't, at all, identify with the gangster reality-based Rap contigent that dominates Top 40 corporate radio.

That simply doesn't fit his personality.

Brock
06-08-2009, 10:14 AM
The Power and WHITE district is a joke..I never felt comfortable down there and never will. Its funny how Kansas city urban core tax money partially paid to build a place that the urban community is not wanted, Just so some suburban folks can feel comfy from the big bad black man and his jungle music..what a ****ing joke. The same company that built POWER AND WHITE district has already been sued behind these same issues in Kentucky and lost. If they want to build some shit like this and keep us out, at least build it in YOUR OWN ****ING COMMUNITY AND NOT IN OURS.

LMAO Having trouble understanding economic reality?

Lzen
06-08-2009, 10:15 AM
Given your previous comment about Black people who've found a way to circumvent the tax system...I'm not sure you're seeing much of anything. Seems to me that there's a huge tree in your line of sight. And that tree...is called ignorance.



I'm not a hoodlum. I'm a law-abiding taxpaying citizen of Kansas City.
And many of the other people decrying the imbalanced handling of patrons in a taxpayer-funded development are just like me.



Because God knows that baggy pants indicate criminal intent.
No chance troublemakers wear Dockers and Doc Marten's.

Yeah, that whole tax statement was pretty dumb.

As far as dress, we have a club here in Topeka that plays country. Wife likes country and so she has dragged me there. I was wearing a Chiefs jersey and they would not let me in the place. I was like "screw this" and we left. They apparently have a similar type of dress code. But if it were simply a racist policy, would I have been affected?

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:15 AM
LMAO Having trouble understanding economic reality?

The economic reality is that that eyesore is already suffering from revenue shortfalls and will eventually fail if things don't change.

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 10:17 AM
Because God knows that baggy pants indicate criminal intent. No chance troublemakers wear Dockers and Doc Marten's.

The general point I am trying to make is.... the ones calling the P&L officials racist are the ones who choose to present themselves as thugs, and they want to bring in that kinda lifestyle into the district. And props for them not wanting that......I dont think anyone wants that. It causes trouble.

Can someone dressed nice and looks presentable cause crime? Can they too in fact shoot someone? Of course they can. Me, you and anyone can do that. But is it likely? No. If you're a bouncer at a club who are you gonna watch more closely? Who do you generally think is more likely to cause trouble? The person wearing a nice shirt n pants who looks the part of having a good time on a Sat night, or the person walking in with a wife beater, underwear showing out from his ass, cornrows, hat tilted sideways, and his body head to toe in tats. Looked like he had just come from Troost and Prospect.

wutamess
06-08-2009, 10:17 AM
I call it how I see it. Bottom line is KC PL District doesn't want it to become another Westport for obvious reasons.

This isn't racial profiling. I went to PL one Sat night and at the entrance they were telling a group of thugs they couldnt come in because of what they were wearing. They had their pants sagged down with their asses hanging out, wife beaters, and red tilted hats all the same color. These hoodlums are the ones that are calling out P&L people racists. The people complaining about this are the ones that come out of the bad parts of town, claiming that city officials are trying to keep them away by having dress code requirements. You know what? If you dont wanna change out of your gang attire then go somewhere else that allows it (Westport).

There's nothing racist about it. No one is telling them they have to wear those kind of outfits. They CHOOSE to wear that kinda clothing. P&L is trying to stop trouble before it begins. It's been proven over and over again. People like that cause trouble at large gatherings like at late night clubs etc.

Had they come in with jeans just a regular shirt they would have been fine, but the culture they want to bring into that place isn't allowed. It isn't a racist thing as they choose what they want to look like. Put on some clothes that actually makes you look like you give a shit about life and there isn't any problem. The dress code is nothing more than a step to prevent certain issues from ever happening. They never once said "blacks can't come to P&L." There are a lot of african americans that go there. They just dont want any of the gang like activity or atmosphere to even step foot into the place which I totally agree with. The same goes for the white trash that want to present themselves in that manner as well. P&L doesn't want it there, and that's comepletely up to them.



As far as the Jazzy Jeff, I don't really believe his claim in stating they didn't want him to play Hip hop, he's a rap legend and officials KNOW that he's a hip hop legend and they wouldnt have booked him to play there if they didn't want to hear it. Just like they wouldnt book Garth Brooks there if they didn't want to hear country music.

Nice attempt at covering up ignorance. But you've failed miserably.

You implied that the ones complaining dont pay taxes as if all blacks that complain are on gov assistance. or blacks in that area dont pay taxes. im on my mobile and dont really continuing on your ignorance at the moment
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Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:18 AM
Yeah, that whole tax statement was pretty dumb.

As far as dress, we have a club here in Topeka that plays country. Wife likes country and so she has dragged me there. I was wearing a Chiefs jersey and they would not let me in the place. I was like "screw this" and we left. They apparently have a similar type of dress code. But if it were simply a racist policy, would I have been affected?

It's not a perfect storm.
Any such code, discriminatory or otherwise, will always affect those for which it was not intended. That's the nature of the beast.

DaneMcCloud
06-08-2009, 10:20 AM
You simply don't invest $500,000 into a soundsystem without also putting safety features in place to protect it. Compressors, limiters, etc. I'm sorry, but after having 12 hours to circle the wagons that was the lamest excuse he could've come up with.

$500k??????? In a club sound system??????? How big is this place?

And IF (and I just cannot and do not believe that figure) they somehow spent $500k on a sound system, I hardly think they could push it to the point of destruction.

$500k? That's highly unlikely.

PS - Compressors and limiters would do nothing but alter the sound. They would not stop the speakers from being blown. Furthermore, all high end, digitally powered speakers and subs have automatic shut-offs, making this excuse moot.

Consistent1
06-08-2009, 10:21 AM
This sounds like a stupid deal to me. I have never been there given that I live in Illinois. I do know one thing that is true. There is always the possibility of a certain element that causes problems, and really does not purchase much. At least most of the white trash type fools are drinkers....haha. All joking aside, it is unfortunate that stuff like that has to happen. BTW, Jazzy Jeff is a hip-hop legend.....alright....if you say so.

blaise
06-08-2009, 10:22 AM
They finally took down DJ Jazzy Jeff.

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 10:22 AM
It's not a perfect storm.
Any such code, discriminatory or otherwise, will always affect those for which it was not intended. That's the nature of the beast.

Agreed. Can we agree that dress codes can be a good thing then? They can be successful in keeping the riff raff out regardless of color?

Brock
06-08-2009, 10:23 AM
They finally took down DJ Jazzy Jeff.

Sir Mix-a-lot, you'd better be paying attention!

Fish
06-08-2009, 10:23 AM
The general point I am trying to make is.... the ones calling the P&L officials racist are the ones who choose to present themselves as thugs, and they want to bring in that kinda lifestyle into the district. And props for them not wanting that......I dont think anyone wants that. It causes trouble.

Can someone dressed nice and looks presentable cause crime? Can they too in fact shoot someone? Of course they can. Me, you and anyone can do that. But is it likely? No. If you're a bouncer at a club who are you gonna watch more closely? Who do you generally think is more likely to cause trouble? The person wearing a nice shirt n pants who looks the part of having a good time on a Sat night, or the person walking in with a wife beater, underwear showing out from his ass, cornrows, hat tilted sideways, and his body head to toe in tats. Looked like he had just come from Troost and Prospect.

Damn... this is absurd. It's not racist, the people just need to conform to wearing jeans and a regular shirt? You're a fool.

doomy3
06-08-2009, 10:23 AM
$500k??????? In a club sound system??????? How big is this place?

And IF (and I just cannot and do not believe that figure) they somehow spent $500k on a sound system, I hardly think they could push it to the point of destruction.

$500k? That's highly unlikely.

PS - Compressors and limiters would do nothing but alter the sound. They would not stop the speakers from being blown. Furthermore, all high end, digitally powered speakers and subs have automatic shut-offs, making this excuse moot.

It's an enormous outdoor courtyard type of thing in the middle of P&L. It's huge, definitely not just a club.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:24 AM
The general point I am trying to make is.... the ones calling the P&L officials racist are the ones who choose to present themselves as thugs, and they want to bring in that kinda lifestyle into the district. And props for them not wanting that......I dont think anyone wants that. It causes trouble.

You're either trying to stir the pot or you simply aren't paying attention.
Most of the people I've spoken with today who have recently sworn off of the P&L District cannot at all be properly identified as "thugs". Hell, many of them are just as White as you are.

No one, myself included, wants to be subjected to violence.
There are ways to curb such violence though. And these discriminatory measures aren't always the perfect way to achieve that safety. Again, baggy pants don't indicate criminal intent. I've worn baggy pants and I've never been arrested in my entire life. I spent 2 hours in jail, once, for an unpaid traffic ticket and even then that's only because I turned myself in.

Can someone dressed nice and looks presentable cause crime? Can they too in fact shoot someone? Of course they can. Me, you and anyone can do that. But is it likely? No. If you're a bouncer at a club who are you gonna watch more closely? Who do you generally think is more likely to cause trouble? The person wearing a nice shirt n pants who looks the part of having a good time on a Sat night, or the person walking in with a wife beater, underwear showing out from his ass, cornrows, hat tilted sideways, and his body head to toe in tats. Looked like he had just come from Troost and Prospect.

I never would've imagined that you were this myopic.
Certainly there are no good people who live on Troost and Prospect.
:rolleyes:

I've lost a lot of respect for you today.

DaneMcCloud
06-08-2009, 10:25 AM
It's an enormous outdoor courtyard type of thing in the middle of P&L. It's huge, definitely not just a club.

That makes a little more sense but in that case, aren't noise ordinances in place?

I know guys that do sound for 2,000 seat venues in Vegas with $150k rigs. $500k is just overkill.

Thanks for the info!

Iowanian
06-08-2009, 10:26 AM
You're walking in a parking lot at night, and you're going to approach 4 identical groups of men with the exception of dress code and posture.

1 The first group are in jeans T shirts, some tucked, some untucked, all wearing caps, but the bills on their college Ball cap is formed.

2. This group are wearing slacks, shirts and ties.

3. This group is wearing khaki pants and polo shirts

4. This group have large baggy pants, wife beaters and matching hats, turned to the side with flat bills.


Which group is most likely to cause trouble or include 1 person carrying an illegal gun or narcotic?

Mic, et al....Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be more aware of 1 group than the others?

doomy3
06-08-2009, 10:28 AM
That makes a little more sense but in that case, aren't noise ordinances in place?

I know guys that do sound for 2,000 seat venues in Vegas with $150k rigs. $500k is just overkill.

Thanks for the info!

I don't know if they really worry about noise ordinances down there. Who knows though.

jidar
06-08-2009, 10:28 AM
I would go as far as saying that most of the black people complaining about this so called racism at the PL district, DON'T pay taxes. But thats just me.


Well I'm glad you cleared up your biggotry right away so we didn't have to waste time reading the rest of your dumbassed opinion mr. Duke

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:28 AM
$500k??????? In a club sound system??????? How big is this place?

And IF (and I just cannot and do not believe that figure) they somehow spent $500k on a sound system, I hardly think they could push it to the point of destruction.

$500k? That's highly unlikely.

PS - Compressors and limiters would do nothing but alter the sound. They would not stop the speakers from being blown. Furthermore, all high end, digitally powered speakers and subs have automatic shut-offs, making this excuse moot.

That's precisely what compressors and limiters are used for.
To set thresholds that preserve the PA.

Kyle DeLexus
06-08-2009, 10:30 AM
Given your previous comment about Black people who've found a way to circumvent the tax system...I'm not sure you're seeing much of anything. Seems to me that there's a huge tree in your line of sight. And that tree...is called ignorance.



I'm not a hoodlum. I'm a law-abiding taxpaying citizen of Kansas City.
And many of the other people decrying the imbalanced handling of patrons in a taxpayer-funded development are just like me.



Because God knows that baggy pants indicate criminal intent.
No chance troublemakers wear Dockers and Doc Marten's.

I think he has the idea that the majority of black men are drug dealers that don't pay taxes and carry around illegal firearms.

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 10:30 AM
No one, myself included, wants to be subjected to violence.
There are ways to curb such violence though. And these discriminatory measures aren't always the perfect way to achieve that safety.

What would do to curb violence if you owned a huge entertainment venue??

Lzen
06-08-2009, 10:30 AM
Agreed. Can we agree that dress codes can be a good thing then? They can be successful in keeping the riff raff out regardless of color?

Wait, are you calling me riff raff?

|Zach|
06-08-2009, 10:31 AM
Via Pitch Blog

I was the MC there.My name is Skillz ..for proof hit me @ twitter.com/skillzva and Jeff didn't push any levels..we were told that they didn't want RAP music played after we started. The mgr's exact words to our road mgr was " we don't want TI played here" as we played Live Your Life feat. Rihanna. We played clean versions and I didn't curse or disrepect the venue or the crowd. We played Kanye, Neyo and Big Markie's Just a Friend..which are all top 40 or known records. I was told by my road mgr to annouce to the crowd why were were stopping. I asked why? And he said they said they don't want rap music played" I said you want me to say that to them " and he said yes. So I did. I said word for word " I have just been informed we have to stop because they don't want rap music played here" I said jeffs website address and we left. I dropped the mic( and that was the only thing that couldve been taken as disrespect). We went backstage and the Barcardi people apologized to us. I went to the side of the stage to speak to a friend. And the stage a guy walked up to me and said " why would you do that" I'm like " do what" " why would you turn the crowd against me" and I'm like " excuse me, who are you?" And he replied to the cops " I want him off the property" and I was escorted out. It was 30 people there with me when that happened.I left. Later that night we were told that " my posture " was an issue. They said I continued to grab my crotch and throw gangsigns. It was never an issue of sound. They didn't want rap music in their spot. And me being there dressed with my jeans and my hat on backwards telling peeps to sing the words to Neyo was too much for them. I'm sure they're thinking different this morning though.

What I think is...when they took on DJ Jazzy Jeff they saw how long he had been in game. The guy won the first grammy in 1989. They saw a guy who they was going to be playing old school hip hop. Someone made a joke about playing Winger but I think it was just that...they thought they invited an older guy that had a name to people bring that was just gonna play feel good hip hop classics not rap.

DaneMcCloud
06-08-2009, 10:31 AM
That's precisely what compressors and limiters are used for.
To set thresholds that preserve the PA.

As someone who's been in pro audio for more than 3 decades, I'd say that's a strange way of using a compressor or a limiter. I could see maybe using a limiter on the 2 buss but a compressor?

And if you're talking $500k, you're talking about a Meyer Rig, huge Turbo Sound rig, a Midas board, etc. Hell, even Mackie SR450's have automatic shut-offs.

I'm sorry Mic, that just doesn't make sense.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:32 AM
That makes a little more sense but in that case, aren't noise ordinances in place?

I know guys that do sound for 2,000 seat venues in Vegas with $150k rigs. $500k is just overkill.

Thanks for the info!

I might've been misinformed. I was told it was a $500K rig.
Could be $50K. Either way... For that kind of investment... You'd be a fool not to put measures in place to protect the soundsystem.

It's bullshit.

He was on for 20-30 minutes before he was ever approached.
If they truly thought the system was in jeopardy there's no way in Hell he would've been allowed to play that long.

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 10:33 AM
Wait, are you calling me riff raff?

heh. no. you were this:


Any such code, discriminatory or otherwise, will always affect those for which it was not intended.

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 10:33 AM
You're walking in a parking lot at night, and you're going to approach 4 identical groups of men with the exception of dress code and posture.

1 The first group are in jeans T shirts, some tucked, some untucked, all wearing caps, but the bills on their college Ball cap is formed.

2. This group are wearing slacks, shirts and ties.

3. This group is wearing khaki pants and polo shirts

4. This group have large baggy pants, wife beaters and matching hats, turned to the side with flat bills.


Which group is most likely to cause trouble or include 1 person carrying an illegal gun or narcotic?

Mic, et al....Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be more aware of 1 group than the others?

They sell hats with flat bills already cockeyed so you can wear the bowl of the cap normal like and have that cockeyed look and be more comfortable. Ive got like 10 brand new John Deere and Pioneer caps and one that says some bug killer with a cool dead grasshopper on it and they are all old school.

If JD or Pioneer start giving away cockeyed caps, Im in the money.

Group one is from Southern Cass County and went to check out the food places. You would not have to sweat them

Group two are lawyers who woork at Shook Hardy and will bill some poor client for high end drinks but they wouldnt go near a hipity hoppity music place.

Group three are Mizzou Frat guys. Look the part but got no cash. They will filter into a place with off brand beer specials then go home.

Group 4 are City Council employees.

Consistent1
06-08-2009, 10:35 AM
You're walking in a parking lot at night, and you're going to approach 4 identical groups of men with the exception of dress code and posture.

1 The first group are in jeans T shirts, some tucked, some untucked, all wearing caps, but the bills on their college Ball cap is formed.

2. This group are wearing slacks, shirts and ties.

3. This group is wearing khaki pants and polo shirts

4. This group have large baggy pants, wife beaters and matching hats, turned to the side with flat bills.


Which group is most likely to cause trouble or include 1 person carrying an illegal gun or narcotic?

Mic, et al....Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be more aware of 1 group than the others?


You know, it sucks, but what you are saying is pretty much right on. That stuff is all set up to be an intimidation thing from the beginning. The worst part is that groups tend to bring out the worst in people too. Guys that will be cool as hell to talk to by yourself may well act out when they thing it benefits their cred. I don't have a problem at all with black people, but we all do know there are situations to be avoided. That is just a fact. It goes the other way too where black people know certain situations to avoid. It would be nice to have it not be that way at all, but it is what it is.

Lzen
06-08-2009, 10:36 AM
Via Pitch Blog



What I think is...when they took on DJ Jazzy Jeff they saw how long he had been in game. The guy won the first grammy in 1989. They saw a guy who they was going to be playing old school hip hop. Someone made a joke about playing Winger but I think it was just that...they thought they invited an older guy that had a name to people bring that was just gonna play feel good hip hop classics not rap.

If that blog is true, then I think you may be correct. And if that's the case, it's pathetic.

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 10:37 AM
Nice attempt at covering up ignorance. But you've failed miserably.

You implied that the ones complaining dont pay taxes as if all blacks that complain are on gov assistance. or blacks in that area dont pay taxes. im on my mobile and dont really continuing on your ignorance at the moment
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I didn't imply that at all. Not ONCE did I say all blacks that complain are govt assisted.

I've seen black people at P&L, enjoying themselves having a good time drinking with their friends. How do you suppose they got in there compared to the ones that get turned away at the door. Theres a clear difference in appearance. you can tell the troublemakers from the others. It's not hard.

I've seen with my own eyes at the fuckin entrance gate where they check your I.D. where officials have turned away people dressed up like thugs, many of the people that work the gates were also black.

DaneMcCloud
06-08-2009, 10:37 AM
I might've been misinformed. I was told it was a $500K rig.
Could be $50K. Either way... For that kind of investment... You'd be a fool not to put measures in place to protect the soundsystem.

It's bullshit.

He was on for 20-30 minutes before he was ever approached.
If they truly thought the system was in jeopardy there's no way in Hell he would've been allowed to play that long.

In regards to Jeff, that's a bullshit excuse. Furthermore, the booking agent and club owner should be familiar enough with an act before booking them, especially when it's a national act. That person should be embarrassed and I hope all of the fans received a refund.

As for the sound system, any high end speaker is going to have an automatic shut-off, which is there to protect the speakers. Whether it's studio monitors or high-end, pro live rig, the protection is built-in.

The Star should do a thorough and in-depth piece on this situation because IMO, his excuse does not compute.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:38 AM
As someone who's been in pro audio for more than 3 decades, I'd say that's a strange way of using a compressor or a limiter. I could see maybe using a limiter on the 2 buss but a compressor?

And if you're talking $500k, you're talking about a Meyer Rig, huge Turbo Sound rig, a Midas board, etc. Hell, even Mackie SR450's have automatic shut-offs.

I'm sorry Mic, that just doesn't make sense.

Then every engineer I've ever learned from is completely and utterly uninformed about what a compressor's function is.

Lzen
06-08-2009, 10:38 AM
heh. no. you were this:

Ok, if you say so. But I got my eye on you, pal. :spock:

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 10:38 AM
Via Pitch Blog



If his tweets are true. Thats crap. I hope more and more people do boycott the place.

I wont go there on any of my visits.



What I think is...when they took on DJ Jazzy Jeff they saw how long he had been in game. The guy won the first grammy in 1989. They saw a guy who they was going to be playing old school hip hop. Someone made a joke about playing Winger but I think it was just that...they thought they invited an older guy that had a name to people bring that was just gonna play feel good hip hop classics not rap.

Thats pretty laughable, but wouldnt surprise me i guess...


Thanks for posting that.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:41 AM
What would do to curb violence if you owned a huge entertainment venue??

1. Police presence
2. Qualified bouncers/security staff
3. No loitering
4. Wanding/Patdowns/Metal detectors
5. Stringent re-entrance policy

|Zach|
06-08-2009, 10:41 AM
I actually visited Westport for the first time in many years a couple of weekends ago because a friend of the wife wanted to celebrate her 30'th down there.

I was expecting to get stabbed, shot, aids and then robbed. It actually seemed more tame than it did 10 years ago.

I think the bad stuff in Westport is way overblown. You only hear that stuff from people who never go there. Westport is a pretty enjoyable time now that a lot of douchebag mcgees hit P+L it is good district to hang out and have drinks with friends.

I think you find trouble in Westport. I think its really easy to know if you are starting a situation you shouldn't be a part of or wind up in a situation you shouldn't be a part of. A lot of trouble that goes through Westport is easily avoided if you are not an idiot.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:42 AM
I think the bad stuff in Westport is way overblown. You only hear that stuff from people who never go there.

FTW!

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 10:42 AM
The general point I am trying to make is.... the ones calling the P&L officials racist are the ones who choose to present themselves as thugs, and they want to bring in that kinda lifestyle into the district. And props for them not wanting that......I dont think anyone wants that. It causes trouble.

Can someone dressed nice and looks presentable cause crime? Can they too in fact shoot someone? Of course they can. Me, you and anyone can do that. But is it likely? No. If you're a bouncer at a club who are you gonna watch more closely? Who do you generally think is more likely to cause trouble? The person wearing a nice shirt n pants who looks the part of having a good time on a Sat night, or the person walking in with a wife beater, underwear showing out from his ass, cornrows, hat tilted sideways, and his body head to toe in tats. Looked like he had just come from Troost and Prospect.

I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF YOU ****ING PEOPLE THINKING THAT ANY YOUNG BLACK MALE WHO DRESSES WITH BAGGY PANTS AND WHITE T`S ARE THUGS..OK BY YOUR ****ING LOGIC I AM NO GOING TO ASSUME THAT ALL OLDER WHIT MEN AND CORRPUT , LIARS AND THEIVES AND WHITE COLLAR THUUGS BECAUSE OF ENRON, THE SAVINGS AND LOAN SCANDELS AND, THE REST OF THE CORRUPT WHITE MALES WHO SUNK ARE ECONONY AND ROBBED PEOPLE OF THEIR LIVE SAVINGS..NOW GOING BY YOUR THEORY DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?.........OH AND BY THE WAY ASS HOLE 2 OF MY LITTLE BROTHERS HAVE ALOT OF TATS DRESS IN BAGGY CLOTHES AND WIFE BEATERS..THEY ARE ALSO IN COLLEGE AND HAVE 3.6 AND A 4.0 GPA AND ARE GOOD KIDS..BUT ALL YOU ASSHOLES SEE ARE THE CLOTHES..THEY ARE TEENAGRES AND YOUNGER PEOPLE..I AM SURE THAT ALL OF YOU DRESSED TOTALY DIFFRENT WHEN YOU WERE 16-25 THEN YOU DID WHEN YOU GOT OLDER..I KNOW I DID...

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 10:43 AM
I dont care what color you are.

If you have baggy ill fitting pants, you look like an idiot.
If you wear ....and this one realllllllllllly pisses me off............a sweater over a shirt and the shirts not tuckled in....Top of the dumbass list for me.
Cockeyed caps make people who wear cockeyed caps look cockeyed.
And hair that looks like it has never seen a comb...go get a comb.

I have hired a lot of people. I can assure you if a guy walks in , grad number one in his calss and took grad courses as a fun thing and speaks 20 languages and looks like a fool, he is out. Gone. History.

One of the great advantages of being the guy hiring is you dont have to hire people who start out as a dumbass then have to deal with firing them. If you pick wrong and the guys a dumbass, its sad to have to fire the guy but hey, its business.

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 10:43 AM
You're either trying to stir the pot or you simply aren't paying attention.
Most of the people I've spoken with today who have recently sworn off of the P&L District cannot at all be properly identified as "thugs". Hell, many of them are just as White as you are.

No one, myself included, wants to be subjected to violence.
There are ways to curb such violence though. And these discriminatory measures aren't always the perfect way to achieve that safety. Again, baggy pants don't indicate criminal intent. I've worn baggy pants and I've never been arrested in my entire life. I spent 2 hours in jail, once, for an unpaid traffic ticket and even then that's only because I turned myself in.



I never would've imagined that you were this myopic.
Certainly there are no good people who live on Troost and Prospect.
:rolleyes:

I've lost a lot of respect for you today.

You fuckin know what I mean what I meant about Troost and Prospect. JFC. They've even made shows about that area because there's so much crime there. Are there good people there? I'm sure there are. Are there good people that live in East STL? Probably. How about southside Chicago? I'm sure there are.

DaneMcCloud
06-08-2009, 10:45 AM
Then every engineer I've ever learned from is completely and utterly uninformed about what a compressor's function is.

I guess so.

A compressor is generally used to shape the sound of a particular instrument, whether it's voice, guitar, bass, snare drum, kick drum, etc. Whether it's a Fairchild 660, LA2A, 1176, Distressor, Retro 176, and absolutely tons of other types (VCA, ELOP, etc.), they all exhibit different characteristics and have a myriad of uses, none of which is to "protect speakers".

Just slapping a compressor on something to reduce the overall gain and expecting it to "protect speakers" is nonsense, especially considering that there is an "Output Gain" or a "Gain Reduction Makeup" on each and every compressor.

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 10:45 AM
I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF YOU ****ING PEOPLE THINKING THAT ANY YOUNG BLACK MALE WHO DRESSES WITH BAGGY PANTS AND WHITE T`S ARE THUGS..OK BY YOUR ****ING LOGIC I AM NO GOING TO ASSUME THAT ALL OLDER WHIT MEN AND CORRPUT , LIARS AND THEIVES AND WHITE COLLAR THUUGS BECAUSE OF ENRON, THE SAVINGS AND LOAN SCANDELS AND, THE REST OF THE CORRUPT WHITE MALES WHO SUNK ARE ECONONY AND ROBBED PEOPLE OF THEIR LIVE SAVINGS..NOW GOING BY YOUR THEORY DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?.........OH AND BY THE WAY ASS HOLE 2 OF MY LITTLE BROTHERS HAVE ALOT OF TATS DRESS IN BAGGY CLOTHES AND WIFE BEATERS..THEY ARE ALSO IN COLLEGE AND HAVE 3.6 AND A 4.0 GPA AND ARE GOOD KIDS..BUT ALL YOU ASSHOLES SEE ARE THE CLOTHES..THEY ARE TEENAGRES AND YOUNGER PEOPLE..I AM SURE THAT ALL OF YOU DRESSED TOTALY DIFFRENT WHEN YOU WERE 16-25 THEN YOU DID WHEN YOU GOT OLDER..I KNOW I DID...

I dont care what color they are.......there are many whites that dress the same way and the rules apply to them as well.

1/4 inch. thats the distance it would take you to move your pinky finger and turn off the caps lock key.

Kyle DeLexus
06-08-2009, 10:45 AM
I think the bad stuff in Westport is way overblown. You only hear that stuff from people who never go there. Westport is a pretty enjoyable time now that a lot of douchebag mcgees hit P+L it is good district to hang out and have drinks with friends.

I think you find trouble in Westport. I think its really easy to know if you are starting a situation you shouldn't be a part of or wind up in a situation you shouldn't be a part of. A lot of trouble that goes through Westport is easily avoided if you are not an idiot.

I go to Westport and agree with you that it is overblown. When I first moved up here I was told to stay away and all that, and i'm betting the guy that told me that has never been there.

Brock
06-08-2009, 10:46 AM
OH AND BY THE WAY ASS HOLE 2 OF MY LITTLE BROTHERS HAVE ALOT OF TATS DRESS IN BAGGY CLOTHES AND WIFE BEATERS..THEY ARE ALSO IN COLLEGE AND HAVE 3.6 AND A 4.0 GPA AND ARE GOOD KIDS..BUT ALL YOU ASSHOLES SEE ARE THE CLOTHES.

Yeah, no shit, what you look like matters. This is news to you?

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 10:46 AM
You ****in know what I mean what I meant about Troost and Prospect. JFC. They've even made shows about that area because there's so much crime there. Are there good people there? I'm sure there are. Are there good people that live in East STL? Probably. How about southside Chicago? I'm sure there are.

Everyone who lives in JoCo and Lees Summit are good people. :)

Kyle DeLexus
06-08-2009, 10:47 AM
I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF YOU ****ING PEOPLE THINKING THAT ANY YOUNG BLACK MALE WHO DRESSES WITH BAGGY PANTS AND WHITE T`S ARE THUGS..OK BY YOUR ****ING LOGIC I AM NO GOING TO ASSUME THAT ALL OLDER WHIT MEN AND CORRPUT , LIARS AND THEIVES AND WHITE COLLAR THUUGS BECAUSE OF ENRON, THE SAVINGS AND LOAN SCANDELS AND, THE REST OF THE CORRUPT WHITE MALES WHO SUNK ARE ECONONY AND ROBBED PEOPLE OF THEIR LIVE SAVINGS..NOW GOING BY YOUR THEORY DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?.........OH AND BY THE WAY ASS HOLE 2 OF MY LITTLE BROTHERS HAVE ALOT OF TATS DRESS IN BAGGY CLOTHES AND WIFE BEATERS..THEY ARE ALSO IN COLLEGE AND HAVE 3.6 AND A 4.0 GPA AND ARE GOOD KIDS..BUT ALL YOU ASSHOLES SEE ARE THE CLOTHES..THEY ARE TEENAGRES AND YOUNGER PEOPLE..I AM SURE THAT ALL OF YOU DRESSED TOTALY DIFFRENT WHEN YOU WERE 16-25 THEN YOU DID WHEN YOU GOT OLDER..I KNOW I DID...

We might not all be that, but we sure do try. It's every young white males dream to make money ripping others off! :)

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:48 AM
I dont care what color you are.

If you have baggy ill fitting pants, you look like an idiot.
If you wear ....and this one realllllllllllly pisses me off............a sweater over a shirt and the shirts not tuckled in....Top of the dumbass list for me.
Cockeyed caps make people who wear cockeyed caps look cockeyed.
And hair that looks like it has never seen a comb...go get a comb.

I have hired a lot of people. I can assure you if a guy walks in , grad number one in his calss and took grad courses as a fun thing and speaks 20 languages and looks like a fool, he is out. Gone. History.

One of the great advantages of being the guy hiring is you dont have to hire people who start out as a dumbass then have to deal with firing them. If you pick wrong and the guys a dumbass, its sad to have to fire the guy but hey, its business.

If you struggle with spelling words correctly and using proper punctuation...
Me thinks you should be a little less liberal with the word "dumbass".

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 10:49 AM
Yeah, no shit, what you look like matters. This is news to you?

NO STUPID..MY POINT IS THEY ARE YOUNG AND THAT THEY WILL EVENTUALY DRESS A LITTLE MORE GROWN UP .....WHEN THEY GET OLDER, JUST LIKE THE WHITE GUYS WHO HAD RIPPED JEANS LONG HAIR AND A MAIDEN T SHIRT.... DUMB ASS AND SO WHAT IF THEY DRESS THAT WAY, YOU NEED TO GET OVER YOUR OWN PRE CONCIEVED NOTIONS OF WHAT THUGS ARE..THATS YOUR PROBLEM ,NOT MY BROTHERS PROBLEM..

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:49 AM
You fuckin know what I mean what I meant about Troost and Prospect. JFC. They've even made shows about that area because there's so much crime there. Are there good people there? I'm sure there are. Are there good people that live in East STL? Probably. How about southside Chicago? I'm sure there are.

No, I don't know what you mean.
I know your fears and misconceptions are robbing you of what credibility you had left in this forum though.

MOhillbilly
06-08-2009, 10:49 AM
my cousin used to dress in baggy pants and bling and all that bullshit. He couldnt figure out why the cops were always giving him a hardtime. idiot.

MOhillbilly
06-08-2009, 10:52 AM
OH AND BY THE WAY ASS HOLE 2 OF MY LITTLE BROTHERS HAVE ALOT OF TATS DRESS IN BAGGY CLOTHES AND WIFE BEATERS..THEY ARE ALSO IN COLLEGE AND HAVE 3.6 AND A 4.0 GPA AND ARE GOOD KIDS..BUT ALL YOU ASSHOLES SEE ARE THE CLOTHES..THEY ARE TEENAGRES AND YOUNGER PEOPLE....

if they are so smart why are you so fucking dumb?

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 10:53 AM
I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF YOU ****ING PEOPLE THINKING THAT ANY YOUNG BLACK MALE WHO DRESSES WITH BAGGY PANTS AND WHITE T`S ARE THUGS..OK BY YOUR ****ING LOGIC I AM NO GOING TO ASSUME THAT ALL OLDER WHIT MEN AND CORRPUT , LIARS AND THEIVES AND WHITE COLLAR THUUGS BECAUSE OF ENRON, THE SAVINGS AND LOAN SCANDELS AND, THE REST OF THE CORRUPT WHITE MALES WHO SUNK ARE ECONONY AND ROBBED PEOPLE OF THEIR LIVE SAVINGS..NOW GOING BY YOUR THEORY DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?.........OH AND BY THE WAY ASS HOLE 2 OF MY LITTLE BROTHERS HAVE ALOT OF TATS DRESS IN BAGGY CLOTHES AND WIFE BEATERS..THEY ARE ALSO IN COLLEGE AND HAVE 3.6 AND A 4.0 GPA AND ARE GOOD KIDS..BUT ALL YOU ASSHOLES SEE ARE THE CLOTHES..THEY ARE TEENAGRES AND YOUNGER PEOPLE..I AM SURE THAT ALL OF YOU DRESSED TOTALY DIFFRENT WHEN YOU WERE 16-25 THEN YOU DID WHEN YOU GOT OLDER..I KNOW I DID...

Perhaps this will assist you in understanding the world they will soon enter...

Two guys interview for one job. One has "tats", the other does not. They have identical grades and majors, the tat guy has funny looking clothes. The other guy looks like he knows how to tie his shoes and knows what pressed shirt/light starch/hangers means.

Tat boy does not get the job. Post interview, the recruiter in his debrief by the representative of the deans office asks what about this guy and hands over tat boys resume. Interviewer says...seems like a good kid but the issue of judgement and how would the customer accept him with his tats is an issue. And after 4 years of college, he ought to know how to dress. But hes a good kis, hope he gets a job.

Kyle DeLexus
06-08-2009, 10:54 AM
NO STUPID..MY POINT IS THEY ARE YOUNG AND THAT THEY WILL EVENTUALY DRESS A LITTLE MORE GROWN UP .....WHEN THEY GET OLDER, JUST LIKE THE WHITE GUYS WHO HAD RIPPED JEANS LONG HAIR AND A MAIDEN T SHIRT.... DUMB ASS AND SO WHAT IF THEY DRESS THAT WAY, YOU NEED TO GET OVER YOUR OWN PRE CONCIEVED NOTIONS OF WHAT THUGS ARE..THATS YOUR PROBLEM ,NOT MY BROTHERS PROBLEM..

Everyone should know that the way you dress is going to effect the way you are treated. Did you not catch that episode of Fresh Prince?

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 10:55 AM
If you struggle with spelling words correctly and using proper punctuation...
Me thinks you should be a little less liberal with the word "dumbass".

I'll accept that feedback, thank you.

Now, did you get the point?

Lzen
06-08-2009, 10:58 AM
I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF YOU ****ING PEOPLE THINKING THAT ANY YOUNG BLACK MALE WHO DRESSES WITH BAGGY PANTS AND WHITE T`S ARE THUGS..OK BY YOUR ****ING LOGIC I AM NO GOING TO ASSUME THAT ALL OLDER WHIT MEN AND CORRPUT , LIARS AND THEIVES AND WHITE COLLAR THUUGS BECAUSE OF ENRON, THE SAVINGS AND LOAN SCANDELS AND, THE REST OF THE CORRUPT WHITE MALES WHO SUNK ARE ECONONY AND ROBBED PEOPLE OF THEIR LIVE SAVINGS..NOW GOING BY YOUR THEORY DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?.........OH AND BY THE WAY ASS HOLE 2 OF MY LITTLE BROTHERS HAVE ALOT OF TATS DRESS IN BAGGY CLOTHES AND WIFE BEATERS..THEY ARE ALSO IN COLLEGE AND HAVE 3.6 AND A 4.0 GPA AND ARE GOOD KIDS..BUT ALL YOU ASSHOLES SEE ARE THE CLOTHES..THEY ARE TEENAGRES AND YOUNGER PEOPLE..I AM SURE THAT ALL OF YOU DRESSED TOTALY DIFFRENT WHEN YOU WERE 16-25 THEN YOU DID WHEN YOU GOT OLDER..I KNOW I DID...

Why are you yelling?

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:58 AM
I guess so.

A compressor is generally used to shape the sound of a particular instrument, whether it's voice, guitar, bass, snare drum, kick drum, etc. Whether it's a Fairchild 660, LA2A, 1176, Distressor, Retro 176, and absolutely tons of other types (VCA, ELOP, etc.), they all exhibit different characteristics and have a myriad of uses, none of which is to "protect speakers".

Just slapping a compressor on something to reduce the overall gain and expecting it to "protect speakers" is nonsense, especially considering that there is an "Output Gain" or a "Gain Reduction Makeup" on each and every compressor.

So if I understand you correctly...
Compressors do NOT have thresholds that will reduce a signal that's too hot?

DaneMcCloud
06-08-2009, 10:59 AM
So if I understand you correctly...
Compressors do NOT have thresholds that will reduce a signal that's too hot?

If it's "too hot", pull back the fader, use a pad or turn down the gain on the preamp. Otherwise, you're changing the dynamic content of the signal.

Using a compressor to reduce a signal only is just plain dumb. And by pushing a fader or buss to its limits and using a compressor to reduce the gain will only cause "pumping and breathing".

This type of approach that you're describing is very amateur-ish and essentially, you're describing a very poor audio engineer.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 10:59 AM
I'll accept that feedback, thank you.

Now, did you get the point?

The point is that your prejudices and bias color your overall ability to properly evaluate job candidates.

Fish
06-08-2009, 11:00 AM
I'll accept that feedback, thank you.

Now, did you get the point?

I get the point that you must be a really crappy judge of character if you base so much on appearance alone and disregard everything else.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:00 AM
If it's "too hot", pull back the fader. Otherwise, you're changing the dynamic content of the signal.

There are several ways to skin the cat, but you didn't answer the question.

Lzen
06-08-2009, 11:01 AM
...JUST LIKE THE WHITE GUYS WHO HAD RIPPED JEANS LONG HAIR AND A MAIDEN T SHIRT....

[/raises hand]

:rockon:

Demonpenz
06-08-2009, 11:03 AM
[/raises hand]

:rockon:

what wig did you go with?

Dayze
06-08-2009, 11:05 AM
i haven't bought a single item from Best Buy since 2002 because of the god awful service I received; I ended up having to eat $60 becauseof their error.

If someone doesn't like the way they are treated at a buisness etc, why would they WANT to give them their money? Take the money and spend it elsewhere.

I know that's too simplistic because of taxpayers funding the development etc...but just from a personal standpoint - I wouldn't have anything to do with them if I didn't like they way I was treated. Pretty simple to me.

Lzen
06-08-2009, 11:06 AM
what wig did you go with?

Hey now. I used to have hair back in my youth.

DaneMcCloud
06-08-2009, 11:06 AM
There are several ways to skin the cat, but you didn't answer the question.

If you want to misuse a compressor and make your signal sound like dogshit, sure you can use it in that manner. I personally don't know anyone who would do that, especially with a $500k system but it's technically possible, though stupid.

It's like using a nail gun to drill holes. It makes no sense. Turn down the fader. Don't squash your dynamics with a compressor to reduce volume, especially if you're not using any make-up gain.

It sounds like you're describing a brick-wall limiter, not a compressor. Even still, I don't know why you'd use a brick-wall limiter to "protect speakers".

mikeyis4dcats.
06-08-2009, 11:08 AM
I'll trust Dane. He lives next door to Eva Longoria.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:08 AM
This type of approach that you're describing is very amateur-ish and essentially, you're describing a very poor audio engineer.

Like all of the engineers I know who use limiters for drum recordings to "protect" the microphones?
Engineers who work very corporate studio gigs mind you.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:08 AM
If you want to misuse a compressor and make your signal sound like dogshit, sure you can use it in that manner. I personally don't know anyone who would do that, especially with a $500k system but it's technically possible, though stupid.

It's like using a nail gun to drill holes. It makes no sense. Turn down the fader. Don't squash your dynamics with a compressor reduce volume, especially if you're not using any make-up gain.

It sounds like you're describing a brick-wall limiter, not a compressor. Even still, I don't know why you'd use a brick-wall limiter to "protect speakers".

You still haven't answered the question...
Is that merely a coincedence?

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 11:09 AM
I get the point that you must be a really crappy judge of character if you base so much on appearance alone and disregard everything else.


I hoped to communicate that all other things were equal. Sorry if I did not. Character wasn't the issue, judgement is.


Unstated is that if tat boy is the only one to show up, you move your recruiting effort elsewhere. Tat boy is competing with every other guy or girl who has his qualifications within the scope of the recruiters efforts.

Tat boy after the experience may take your approach that well the dude recruiting is a bad judge of character. Blame the other guy. Charcter wasn't the issue, judgement is.
Or he may go back to his dorm room ask ask himself...why didnt I get the job? If he is fortunate and has the motivation, he will seek out the guy from the deans office. Or if he really has some stones he will call the recuiter and ask for feed back.

blaise
06-08-2009, 11:12 AM
I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF YOU ****ING PEOPLE THINKING THAT ANY YOUNG BLACK MALE WHO DRESSES WITH BAGGY PANTS AND WHITE T`S ARE THUGS..OK BY YOUR ****ING LOGIC I AM NO GOING TO ASSUME THAT ALL OLDER WHIT MEN AND CORRPUT , LIARS AND THEIVES AND WHITE COLLAR THUUGS BECAUSE OF ENRON, THE SAVINGS AND LOAN SCANDELS AND, THE REST OF THE CORRUPT WHITE MALES WHO SUNK ARE ECONONY AND ROBBED PEOPLE OF THEIR LIVE SAVINGS..NOW GOING BY YOUR THEORY DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?.........OH AND BY THE WAY ASS HOLE 2 OF MY LITTLE BROTHERS HAVE ALOT OF TATS DRESS IN BAGGY CLOTHES AND WIFE BEATERS..THEY ARE ALSO IN COLLEGE AND HAVE 3.6 AND A 4.0 GPA AND ARE GOOD KIDS..BUT ALL YOU ASSHOLES SEE ARE THE CLOTHES..THEY ARE TEENAGRES AND YOUNGER PEOPLE..I AM SURE THAT ALL OF YOU DRESSED TOTALY DIFFRENT WHEN YOU WERE 16-25 THEN YOU DID WHEN YOU GOT OLDER..I KNOW I DID...

I thought the whole "you people" thing was offensive and insensitive.

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 11:13 AM
Everyone who lives in JoCo and Lees Summit are good people. :)

I understand that many places can have their bad parts of town. Generally what I was referring to though was that when people think of Troost and Prospect and that area, they don't exactly first think of "good n safe community" I understand there are good people in bad areas and bad people located in good areas.

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 11:15 AM
I hoped to communicate that all other things were equal. Sorry if I did not. Character wasn't the issue, judgement is.


Unstated is that if tat boy is the only one to show up, you move your recruiting effort elsewhere. Tat boy is competing with every other guy or girl who has his qualifications within the scope of the recruiters efforts.

Tat boy after the experience may take your approach that well the dude recruiting is a bad judge of character. Blame the other guy. Charcter wasn't the issue, judgement is.
Or he may go back to his dorm room ask ask himself...why didnt I get the job? If he is fortunate and has the motivation, he will seek out the guy from the deans office. Or if he really has some stones he will call the recuiter and ask for feed back.


What if Tat Boy was a world class candidate with a huge upside? You just did your company a disservice didnt you?

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 11:16 AM
I understand that many places can have their bad parts of town. Generally what I was referring to though was that when people think of Troost and Prospect and that area, they don't exactly first think of "good n safe community" I understand there are good people in bad areas and bad people located in good areas.

Dont go to Butler, Mo and hang out on the west side of the square. I hear that 3rd street in Windsor is sorta rough when the Amish are in for Market.

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 11:16 AM
Perhaps this will assist you in understanding the world they will soon enter...

Two guys interview for one job. One has "tats", the other does not. They have identical grades and majors, the tat guy has funny looking clothes. The other guy looks like he knows how to tie his shoes and knows what pressed shirt/light starch/hangers means.

Tat boy does not get the job. Post interview, the recruiter in his debrief by the representative of the deans office asks what about this guy and hands over tat boys resume. Interviewer says...seems like a good kid but the issue of judgement and how would the customer accept him with his tats is an issue. And after 4 years of college, he ought to know how to dress. But hes a good kis, hope he gets a job.

Great post. :thumb: rep

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:18 AM
Perhaps this will assist you in understanding the world they will soon enter...

Two guys interview for one job. One has "tats", the other does not. They have identical grades and majors, the tat guy has funny looking clothes. The other guy looks like he knows how to tie his shoes and knows what pressed shirt/light starch/hangers means.

Tat boy does not get the job. Post interview, the recruiter in his debrief by the representative of the deans office asks what about this guy and hands over tat boys resume. Interviewer says...seems like a good kid but the issue of judgement and how would the customer accept him with his tats is an issue. And after 4 years of college, he ought to know how to dress. But hes a good kis, hope he gets a job.

OK, SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO TOTALY DIFFRENT THINGS. ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT YOUNG BLACK MALES WHO DRESS THAT WAY, DON`T HAVE ENOUGH COMMON SENSE TO KNOW THAT YOU DONT DRESS THE SAME WAY FOR THE CLUB LIKE YOU WOULD FOR A JOB INTERVIEW? MY BROHTERS ARE NOT GOING TO SHOW UP AT A JOB INTERVIEW DRESSING LIKE THEY DO FOR THE CLUB, JUST LIKE MOST YOUNG BLACK MALES. SECOND, THEIR TATS CANT BE SEEN WITH SHIRTS ON. DOES THIS SAME THEORY APPLY TO THE FRAT BOYS WHO GO OUT GET TRASHED , HAVE TATS AND DRESS IN SHORTS T SHIRTS AND FLIP FLOPS..WOULD YOU THINK THOSE SAME GUYS WOULD SHOW UP TO THE INTERVIEW IN SHORTS T SHIRTS AND FLIP FLOPS? IF NOT THEN WHY WOULD YOU ASSUME THAT THE BLACK KID WOULD?

Kyle DeLexus
06-08-2009, 11:20 AM
I hoped to communicate that all other things were equal. Sorry if I did not. Character wasn't the issue, judgement is.


Unstated is that if tat boy is the only one to show up, you move your recruiting effort elsewhere. Tat boy is competing with every other guy or girl who has his qualifications within the scope of the recruiters efforts.

Tat boy after the experience may take your approach that well the dude recruiting is a bad judge of character. Blame the other guy. Charcter wasn't the issue, judgement is.
Or he may go back to his dorm room ask ask himself...why didnt I get the job? If he is fortunate and has the motivation, he will seek out the guy from the deans office. Or if he really has some stones he will call the recuiter and ask for feed back.

We discussed this very thing in a Management course I took. Our professor is a big deal and I learned a lot from him.

He had 4 pictures and asked everyone if they would like to meet person A or person B on the street, A was a "thug" looking black man and B was a corporate white man. The overwelming majority chose B. He then asked if anyone felt this was racist and there were a lot of people that said that it was.

He then went to C and D, C was a "thug" looking white man and D was a corporate black man. The majority again went with the suit and tie over the street look. He had the same question about racism and not one person said that is racist.

To me he showed that profiling doesn't equal racism and that reverse racism is becoming a problem. Long story short, I agree with you. You need to dress for how you want to be preceived.

Craash
06-08-2009, 11:21 AM
What if Tat Boy was a world class candidate with a huge upside? You just did your company a disservice didnt you?

I'm not sure that is a valid argument. Just like the draft (I know football is out of place on this board) you make the choice that you feel is the best and move forward. The business world, like football, is full of Ryan Leaf's and Kurt Warner's.

Using your argument, what if you hired the tatoo'ed individual and he later was the center of multiple sexual harrasement claims? See how that works when you add information to the equation after the fact?

Lzen
06-08-2009, 11:22 AM
OK, SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO TOTALY DIFFRENT THINGS..FIST OFF, MY BROHTERS ARE NOT GOING TO SHOW UP AT A JOB INTERVIEW DRESSING LIKE THEY DO FOR THE CLUB. SECOND, THEIR TATS CANT BE SEEN WITH SHIRTS ON.

Turn off you damn caps lock!

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 11:23 AM
If you struggle with spelling words correctly and using proper punctuation...
Me thinks you should be a little less liberal with the word "dumbass".

Seriously? That's you'r response to his post? You're going to unleash the spelling police on him? ROFL........................moron

BigRedChief
06-08-2009, 11:23 AM
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Everyone who lives in JoCo and Lees Summit are good people. :)


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I lived in the city of KC for about 9 years. Behind the Bannister Mall close to Raytown. Racially mixed neighboorhood. I never felt unsafe.

I live in one of the nice clean suburban cul-de-sac's in Lee's Summit. Just in my cul-de-sac there are two black families and an "Indian(dot)" family out of the 8 homes in the cul-de-sac. I've never felt unsafe.

I don't think race is a major factor in how "most" people consider feeling safe. I know its a non-issue for me and my family. Thugs are thugs. Criminals are criminals regardless of race/creed/religion.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:23 AM
Turn off you damn caps lock!

NO, WHY? DO YOU THINK I AM YELLING..LOL..ITS THE NET, DONT GET SO EXICETED.

Fish
06-08-2009, 11:23 AM
I hoped to communicate that all other things were equal. Sorry if I did not. Character wasn't the issue, judgement is.


Unstated is that if tat boy is the only one to show up, you move your recruiting effort elsewhere. Tat boy is competing with every other guy or girl who has his qualifications within the scope of the recruiters efforts.

Tat boy after the experience may take your approach that well the dude recruiting is a bad judge of character. Blame the other guy. Charcter wasn't the issue, judgement is.
Or he may go back to his dorm room ask ask himself...why didnt I get the job? If he is fortunate and has the motivation, he will seek out the guy from the deans office. Or if he really has some stones he will call the recuiter and ask for feed back.

Yeah... thanks for clarifying your discriminating practices. Funny thing is... I know quite a few "tat boys" that would laugh you right out of the room with their professional accomplishments. And their judgment is so bad, that they continue to get more tats in their late 30s, despite their skyrocketing income and social status. I'm sure your discriminatory hiring methods are really setting a social standard and likely forcing many "tat boys" to pursue better jobs from more intelligent establishments who aren't so hung up on personal appearance vs. professional capabilities.

kchero
06-08-2009, 11:23 AM
For a year, the black community has been in arms about perceived racism at the entertainment district, a place their tax money helped fund. But it’s always rebutted. Everyone is welcome at the P&L, officials say.


I would go as far as saying that most of the black people complaining about this so called racism at the PL district, DON'T pay taxes. But thats just me.

Who can blame them though? They're revamping that entire side of the city and they don't want it to completely and immediately turn into what Westport has become, which has been take over by crime and drug addicts and gangs.

THIS!

No body wants to say the truth or whats really on peoples mind because its not PC, but it is the way it is.
When these companies have millions of dollars invested in projects they are going to make sure they are protected. I just hope that the f'ed up city council doesn't try to screw this up like everything else they touch.

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 11:24 AM
What if Tat Boy was a world class candidate with a huge upside? You just did your company a disservice didnt you?

Yes and No

I said both candidates were equal in all respects. So I bet on one horse. maybe its the wrong horse but they pay me to make that call. In the college interview game the candidate has to run the gauntlet of recuiters. You do not have second chances in the process, you dot appeal to the recuiters boss. The recruiter is trained to do the job and he or she has to make those cuts on a 30 minute interview. It sucks and its not easy. But you have a limited number of slots to fill.

Tatboy is an example where his decisions well before the interview play a role that he never intended. I can only use the data I have in hand when I make the decision. I dont wish him ill, in fact I'd hope he finds his way. But on that given day, with the alternatives I have..I have to bet on the hand Im playing.

I interviewed at Oklahoma State a number of years back. Had a really nice kid interview and he had died his hair purple right down the top of his head. My customers dont die their hair purple. I wonder where he ended up. He was smart as hell too.

wild1
06-08-2009, 11:24 AM
Personally, I'm sick of every social problem being blamed on racism. Does it exist, sure. Is it a problem, sure. But I think that the general public is suffering from racism accusation fatigue. When it's shouted 50 times a day it loses its value.

blaise
06-08-2009, 11:25 AM
NO, WHY? DO YOU THINK I AM YELLING..LOL..ITS THE NET, DONT GET SO EXICETED.

Because it makes you seem like some spaz flailing away at his keybord while wearing a hockey helmet?

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:25 AM
Because it makes you seem like some spaz flailing away at his keybord while wearing a hockey helmet?

OK..I GUESS I WILL BE THAT GUY..WHO CARES.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:26 AM
Seriously? That's you'r response to his post? You're going to unleash the spelling police on him? ROFL........................moron

It calls his credibility into question.
Because in many ways... I'm the baggy pants wearing interview he'd pass over for employment because of my outward appearance.

When in truth, I recognize that he struggles with very basic concepts of English. That about blows a hole in the idea that you can truly judge a book by its cover.

But I wouldn't expect the poster who says MOST Black people who complain about Cordish politics PROBABLY DON'T PAY TAXES to understand that point.

|Zach|
06-08-2009, 11:26 AM
Personally, I'm sick of every social problem being blamed on racism. Does it exist, sure. Is it a problem, sure. But I think that the general public is suffering from racism accusation fatigue. When it's shouted 50 times a day it loses its value.

Maybe you are in a position to hear that more than the general public. So your perception is skewed.

There is a reason for everything.

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 11:27 AM
Yeah... thanks for clarifying your discriminating practices. Funny thing is... I know quite a few "tat boys" that would laugh you right out of the room with their professional accomplishments. And their judgment is so bad, that they continue to get more tats in their late 30s, despite their skyrocketing income and social status. I'm sure your discriminatory hiring methods are really setting a social standard and likely forcing many "tat boys" to pursue better jobs from more intelligent establishments who aren't so hung up on personal appearance vs. professional capabilities.

One can be discriminating with out practicing discrimination. EEOC rules are strictly adhered to by corporate recruiters as well as the placement offices on campus. I agree that some people get all tated up and are probably super folks and do great work. Good for them.

Mr. Flopnuts
06-08-2009, 11:27 AM
OK..I GUESS I WILL BE THAT GUY..WHO CARES.

Your future has been told. Ask Jasonsauto and DCS what that means. CONFORM OR DIE!!!!!

Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:27 AM
Personally, I'm sick of every social problem being blamed on racism. Does it exist, sure. Is it a problem, sure. But I think that the general public is suffering from racism accusation fatigue. When it's shouted 50 times a day it loses its value.

And the people who regularly are affected by it are just as sick of it being entrenched in the fabric of American society.

I'm never one to trump up an instance of racism...
But when the discussion is necessary... Let's have it.

Lzen
06-08-2009, 11:28 AM
NO, WHY? DO YOU THINK I AM YELLING..LOL..ITS THE NET, DONT GET SO EXICETED.

No. Even while some of your points may be valid, all caps and poor punctuation/grammar posts just makes you look like a fool. Have you never learned internet etiquette? It distracts. Just MO, of course.

Mr. Plow
06-08-2009, 11:28 AM
NO STUPID..MY POINT IS THEY ARE YOUNG AND THAT THEY WILL EVENTUALY DRESS A LITTLE MORE GROWN UP .....WHEN THEY GET OLDER, JUST LIKE THE WHITE GUYS WHO HAD RIPPED JEANS LONG HAIR AND A MAIDEN T SHIRT.... DUMB ASS AND SO WHAT IF THEY DRESS THAT WAY, YOU NEED TO GET OVER YOUR OWN PRE CONCIEVED NOTIONS OF WHAT THUGS ARE..THATS YOUR PROBLEM ,NOT MY BROTHERS PROBLEM..

I'm guessing your brothers have been hassled recently because of the way they dress.

KCUnited
06-08-2009, 11:28 AM
I am tattoo boy and I wear long sleeves and long pants to work everyday. Why? Because I'm not trying to be tat boy at work. If someone is trying to be tat boy at work, then they are attention starved to the point that only the 'I'm having such and such for breakfast' twitter user can only understand.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:29 AM
And the people who regularly are affected by it are just as sick of it being entrenched in the fabric of American society.

I'm never one to trump up an instance of racism...
But when the discussion is necessary... Let's have it.

THIS..........JUST LIKE YOU ARE TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT IT,SOME OF US ARE TIRED OF BEING AFFECTED BY IT..

Reaper16
06-08-2009, 11:30 AM
Threads like this are awesome. They show the entire board who they can automatically discredit for being hateful motherfuckers.

|Zach|
06-08-2009, 11:30 AM
I am tattoo boy and I wear long sleeves and long pants to work everyday. Why? Because I'm not trying to be tat boy at work. If someone is trying to be tat boy at work, then they are attention starved to the point that only the 'I'm having such and such for breakfast' twitter user can only understand.

It is interesting you slam twitter here. This story broke and got legs from Twitter. Because it was relaying happenings and news. At no point did anyone say what they were having for breakfast.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:31 AM
I'm guessing your brothers have been hassled recently because of the way they dress.

YES.

wild1
06-08-2009, 11:31 AM
Maybe you are in a position to hear that more than the general public. So your perception is skewed.

There is a reason for everything.

There we are... anyone who expresses reservation about something being racist is probably just racist themselves.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:32 AM
Your future has been told. Ask Jasonsauto and DCS what that means. CONFORM OR DIE!!!!!

NO.

|Zach|
06-08-2009, 11:32 AM
There we are... anyone who expresses reservation about something being racist is probably just racist themselves.

Some of you folks play the victim card as much if not more than the people who always play the race card.

Like I said. There is a reason for everything. But I guess all of this stuff is representative of everyone else but you.

All we need is valipass here to act shocked that people call him a racist. That would make things fun.

KCChiefsFan88
06-08-2009, 11:33 AM
This would never happen in a place like LA, Miami, New York or even Chicago.

To the rest of the country this makes KC look like a backwater cowtown.

Reaper16
06-08-2009, 11:34 AM
NO, WHY? DO YOU THINK I AM YELLING..LOL..ITS THE NET, DONT GET SO EXICETED.
NO I CAN'T STOP YELLING, 'CUZ THIS IS HOW I TALK! 'AINT YOU SEEN MY MOVIES?

JUICED? THAT WAS A GOOD ONE! DEEP BLUE SEA? HE ATE ME! A FUCKING SHARK ATE ME!

Reaper16
06-08-2009, 11:36 AM
All we need is valipass here to act shocked that people call him a racist. That would make things fun.
Somethings are not worth being sarcastic about. It would not be fun. :harumph: ;)

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:36 AM
NO I CAN'T STOP YELLING, 'CUZ THIS IS HOW I TALK! 'AINT YOU SEEN MY MOVIES?

JUICED? THAT WAS A GOOD ONE! DEEP BLUE SEA? HE ATE ME! A ****ING SHARK ATE ME!

TO BE HONEST, I WAS GOING TO TURN THEM OFF UNTIL I SAW YOUR POST.......NOW JUST FOR KICKS..I WILL KEEP THEM ON.

Reaper16
06-08-2009, 11:37 AM
This would never happen in a place like LA, Miami, New York or even Chicago.

To the rest of the country this makes KC look like a backwater cowtown.
Kansas City is a lot better than the average Kansas Citian, that's for sure.

Lzen
06-08-2009, 11:37 AM
NO I CAN'T STOP YELLING, 'CUZ THIS IS HOW I TALK! 'AINT YOU SEEN MY MOVIES?

JUICED? THAT WAS A GOOD ONE! DEEP BLUE SEA? HE ATE ME! A ****ING SHARK ATE ME!

Billy Mayes?

|Zach|
06-08-2009, 11:37 AM
Somethings are not worth being sarcastic about. It would not be fun. :harumph: ;)

Nah, its fun. It happens quite a lot. The guy is actually confused about it I think. Kind of surprised him or Duck Dog are not around. Those guys live for this shit.

blaise
06-08-2009, 11:39 AM
This would never happen in a place like LA, Miami, New York or even Chicago.

To the rest of the country this makes KC look like a backwater cowtown.

People in those places are equally as bigoted as they are here.
Maybe this situation wouldn't have happened but it doesn't mean the people there are any different.

Reaper16
06-08-2009, 11:39 AM
TO BE HONEST, I WAS GOING TO TURN THEM OFF UNTIL I SAW YOUR POST.......NOW JUST FOR KICKS..I WILL KEEP THEM ON.
For the record, I can never resist a Chappelle's Show reference. I wasn't attacking you or anything. Even with caps lock on you are a lot cooler than the pack of prejudiced simpletons in this thread.

KCUnited
06-08-2009, 11:39 AM
It is interesting you slam twitter here. This story broke and got legs from Twitter. Because it was relaying happenings and news. At no point did anyone say what they were having for breakfast.
I didn't slam twitter there, I slammed the people who use for their attention fix.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:40 AM
For the record, I can never resist a Chappelle's Show reference. I wasn't attacking you or anything. Even with caps lock on you are a lot cooler than the pack of prejudiced simpletons in this thread.

Why thank you fine sir..lol

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 11:41 AM
It calls his credibility into question.
Because in many ways... I'm the baggy pants wearing interview he'd pass over for employment because of my outward appearance.

When in truth, I recognize that he struggles with very basic concepts of English. That about blows a hole in the idea that you can truly judge a book by its cover.

But I wouldn't expect the poster who says MOST Black people who complain about Cordish politics PROBABLY DON'T PAY TAXES to understand that point.

Would you agree that most black people give a damn about Cordish's rules? The use of modifiers like most, all, many as examples tends to degrade the discussion.

My point, and I'll do my best to use proper English and pay attention to my spelling, is a simple one. Oh, before I forget, sorry you didn't get the job.

Very few people care a whit about the dress code. They know what is acceptable in different settings and comport themselves accordingly.

The dress code and racial overtones are an issue among a minority of people (not a racial minority). I believe Shakespear said it best, "Much ado about nothing."

The businesses in the P and L have to make money or they die. And the city needs them to make money because that where TIF kicks in and pays off. If the business feels they make more and have a greater chance to attract more people and more people who will spend more by setting some standards, then why should they not do so? No one forces you or anyone else to bother them with your business if the standard make you uncomfortable.

The bottom line is that to return to the city the TIF financing money and carry that load off the taxpayer, the P and L better make money hand over fist. And to do so, they need to attract Cass County money, Platt County money, Johnson County money and Wyandotte County money.

If the peope who have the money don't feel like its a great value for their investment...they won't come.

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 11:42 AM
It calls his credibility into question.
Because in many ways... I'm the baggy pants wearing interview he'd pass over for employment because of my outward appearance.

When in truth, I recognize that he struggles with very basic concepts of English. That about blows a hole in the idea that you can truly judge a book by its cover.

But I wouldn't expect the poster who says MOST Black people who complain about Cordish politics PROBABLY DON'T PAY TAXES to understand that point.

Go down there sometime and look at the people who get denied entrance because of their dress code attire and ask yourself whether you think these people have ok-decent jobs, or have had some education past HS, trust me the scum that I have seen down there try to get in, no one in their right mind outside places like McDonalds and Pizza hut would hire these people.

Dayze
06-08-2009, 11:43 AM
Would you agree that most black people give a damn about Cordish's rules? The use of modifiers like most, all, many as examples tends to degrade the discussion.

My point, and I'll do my best to use proper English and pay attention to my spelling, is a simple one. Oh, before I forget, sorry you didn't get the job.

Very few people care a whit about the dress code. They know what is acceptable in different settings and comport themselves accordingly.

The dress code and racial overtones are an issue among a minority of people (not a racial minority). I believe Shakespear said it best, "Much ado about nothing."

The businesses in the P and L have to make money or they die. And the city needs them to make money because that where TIF kicks in and pays off. If the business feels they make more and have a greater chance to attract more people and more people who will spend more by setting some standards, then why should they not do so? No one forces you or anyone else to bother them with your business if the standard make you uncomfortable.

The bottom line is that to return to the city the TIF financing money and carry that load off the taxpayer, the P and L better make money hand over fist. And to do so, they need to attract Cass County money, Platt County money, Johnson County money and Wyandotte County money.

If the peope who have the money don't feel like its a great value for their investment...they won't come.


that's way too simple.
;)

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 11:43 AM
TO BE HONEST, I WAS GOING TO TURN THEM OFF UNTIL I SAW YOUR POST.......NOW JUST FOR KICKS..I WILL KEEP THEM ON.


I LIKE THE FACT YOU HATE DENVER.

Iowanian
06-08-2009, 11:44 AM
Here is the problem I have with this situation.

1. If P&L hired this act, they should have known what it was going to be. I don't know who half of the people DJ J says he spun and have no idea who skillz is, but I know what a rap DJ is supposed to do. Once they booked that act, they shouldn't be surprised by what it means. If you book Louis CK or Lisa Lampanelli, you can't very well expect a Bill Cosby show. They should not have interfered with the performance once booked, as long as it was within reason of their usual show.

2. A business has the right to set the environment they feel will best result in the atmosphere their target audience(paying customers) prefer. There are restaurants in every city that require a coat and tie. This isn't new.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:44 AM
Would you agree that most black people give a damn about Cordish's rules? The use of modifiers like most, all, many as examples tends to degrade the discussion.

My point, and I'll do my best to use proper English and pay attention to my spelling, is a simple one. Oh, before I forget, sorry you didn't get the job.

Very few people care a whit about the dress code. They know what is acceptable in different settings and comport themselves accordingly.

The dress code and racial overtones are an issue among a minority of people (not a racial minority). I believe Shakespear said it best, "Much ado about nothing."

The businesses in the P and L have to make money or they die. And the city needs them to make money because that where TIF kicks in and pays off. If the business feels they make more and have a greater chance to attract more people and more people who will spend more by setting some standards, then why should they not do so? No one forces you or anyone else to bother them with your business if the standard make you uncomfortable.

The bottom line is that to return to the city the TIF financing money and carry that load off the taxpayer, the P and L better make money hand over fist. And to do so, they need to attract Cass County money, Platt County money, Johnson County money and Wyandotte County money.

If the peope who have the money don't feel like its a great value for their investment...they won't come.

Heard it all before.

And again...it's lame.
The development is being propped up by many of the people they'd like to refuse. It's unacceptable and I'm pissed that we agreed to pick up the tab on that eyesore.

|Zach|
06-08-2009, 11:45 AM
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Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:45 AM
Go down there sometime and look at the people who get denied entrance because of their dress code attire and ask yourself whether you think these people have ok-decent jobs, or have had some education past HS, trust me the scum that I have seen down there try to get in, no one in their right mind outside places like McDonalds and Pizza hut would hire these people.

You're right. Because most of them are too stupid to understand a concept like "code switching".

And... They probably don't pay taxes either.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:46 AM
2. A business has the right to set the environment they feel will best result in the atmosphere their target audience(paying customers) prefer. There are restaurants in every city that require a coat and tie. This isn't new.

No business that receives benefits from public taxpayers should have the right to be discriminatory.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:47 AM
The bottome line is that if you are not a minority , or a kid who dresses "hip hop" you will not know how it feels to be discriminated against by the power and white district. Most of the people who dress this way are young people, who are not thugs and work all week and want to go blow off some steam at a club. All of us when we were younger dressed in some form that older people did not like. Its just ironic that the same people who are calling these kids thugs, were the kids in the ripped jeans and metal t shirts and long hair who peopel thought were trouble makers when they were young. How easily we forget. If you have a problem with how this KIDS dress get over it. Most of these kids will grow out of this fase( just like almost all of us did) and will dress a little more mature as each year goes by.

Deberg_1990
06-08-2009, 11:48 AM
The development is being propped up by many of the people they'd like to refuse. It's unacceptable and I'm pissed that we agreed to pick up the tab on that eyesore.

If thats the case, why cant they conform to the dress code? Seems simple enough to me?

Brock
06-08-2009, 11:48 AM
NO STUPID..MY POINT IS THEY ARE YOUNG AND THAT THEY WILL EVENTUALY DRESS A LITTLE MORE GROWN UP .....WHEN THEY GET OLDER, JUST LIKE THE WHITE GUYS WHO HAD RIPPED JEANS LONG HAIR AND A MAIDEN T SHIRT.... DUMB ASS AND SO WHAT IF THEY DRESS THAT WAY, YOU NEED TO GET OVER YOUR OWN PRE CONCIEVED NOTIONS OF WHAT THUGS ARE..THATS YOUR PROBLEM ,NOT MY BROTHERS PROBLEM..

Aside from the irony contained in you calling me stupid, if your brothers want to dress in a manner that attracts negative attention, their (and your) complaining about it is dismissed as immature, unimportant whining about the way the world is.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:50 AM
The power and white district is being funded by the same people it wants to refuse.

Kyle DeLexus
06-08-2009, 11:50 AM
Go down there sometime and look at the people who get denied entrance because of their dress code attire and ask yourself whether you think these people have ok-decent jobs, or have had some education past HS, trust me the scum that I have seen down there try to get in, no one in their right mind outside places like McDonalds and Pizza hut would hire these people.

WOW. That's about all I can say. I have plenty of friends, some of which I work with, that dress like that when they go out. One of my good friends moved here to get away from what his life would have been back home. He still dresses the part when he's around some of his teammates, but he is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet and the hardest worker I know.

To profile people like that is insane. Just because people go out to a club or whatever dressed a certain way, doesn't mean they go to work the same way or that they are affiliated with gangs and are scum.

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 11:51 AM
No business that receives benefits from public taxpayers should have the right to be discriminatory.

What benefit are they getting from you as a taxpayer?

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:53 AM
Aside from the irony contained in you calling me stupid, if your brothers want to dress in a manner that attracts negative attention, their (and your) complaining about it is dismissed as immature, unimportant whining about the way the world is.

No you just need to get over yourself. I love putting on my white t`s and baggy shorts and watching you uptight ****s in JO get all scared when a big black brother shows up. I have the right to dress how I want. I will assume you dress in dockers in Polo's, and suits, just like those men from Enron, and the guys who started the savings a loan mess, and all the rest of those THUGS who stole money and robbed the American Dream from so many people...that's what I will think when I see you. Does that seam fair to you? No, and it shouldn't.So if they don't let black guys in clubs in white tees them........... From now on any White Male in a Suit and Tie should not be let near any bank or any financial institution because you know how all those white guys in suits are..they will still all the money..lol..because from your logic that's how the world is right?

Demonpenz
06-08-2009, 11:54 AM
they should just open up a belt kiosk win-win!

JASONSAUTO
06-08-2009, 11:54 AM
No business that receives benefits from public taxpayers should have the right to be discriminatory.

so having a dress code is now discriminatory?

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 11:55 AM
You're right. Because most of them are too stupid to understand a concept like "code switching".

And... They probably don't pay taxes either.

Bottom line here is if they don't want to change out of their fucking thuggish gang attire, then they can leave and go somewhere else that allows it. No one is forcing them to come to P&L. I'm more than sure they can get in if they went home and changed clothes but I guess that's just asking waaaay too much.

Go to a high dollar restaurant that requires a coat and tie and show up wearing baggy jeans and a T-shirt and see what they tell you and see if they don't laugh in your face when you try pulling out the race card.

Iowanian
06-08-2009, 11:55 AM
No business that receives benefits from public taxpayers should have the right to be discriminatory.

Really?
How many places have the "No shoes, no shirt, no service" sign up?


I don't think it is discriminatory. It sounds to me like the same people, if they tucked in their shirt and cinched up their belts would be allowed entrance.


A few years ago, I wasn't allowed into a bar/club in Des Moines while wearing a Chiefs ball cap. I took it back to the car, and walked right in. I didn't understand it at the time, but my choices were to leave and not join my friends, or take the hat off and conform to their rules.


There are plenty of places down on the plaza you couldn't go in shorts and flip flops.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:55 AM
If thats the case, why cant they conform to the dress code? Seems simple enough to me?

A better question might be... Why should they have to?
Why should a dress code be discriminatory?

JASONSAUTO
06-08-2009, 11:56 AM
NO, WHY? DO YOU THINK I AM YELLING..LOL..ITS THE NET, DONT GET SO EXICETED.

must be something about us WYCO guys, i did the same thing when i first arrived here. it pisses some off

Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:57 AM
Really?
How many places have the "No shoes, no shirt, no service" sign up?

That's a 1:1 with "no White T-shirts" isn't it?

I don't think it is discriminatory. It sounds to me like the same people, if they tucked in their shirt and cinched up their belts would be allowed entrance.

Unfortunately it's not always even been that simple.
I've had friends in suits turned away because their pants were cuffed.

JASONSAUTO
06-08-2009, 11:57 AM
A better question might be... Why should they have to?
Why should a dress code be discriminatory?

what about a dress code is discriminatory?

Fairplay
06-08-2009, 11:58 AM
A better question might be... Why should they have to?
Why should a dress code be discriminatory?



About any restaurant in town says shirt and shoes required.

That is a form of a dress code. Do you agree with that statement?

Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:58 AM
Bottom line here is if they don't want to change out of their fucking thuggish gang attire, then they can leave and go somewhere else that allows it. No one is forcing them to come to P&L. I'm more than sure they can get in if they went home and changed clothes but I guess that's just asking waaaay too much.

Go to a high dollar restaurant that requires a coat and tie and show up wearing baggy jeans and a T-shirt and see what they tell you and see if they don't laugh in your face when you try pulling out the race card.

Yes suh, we's be on our way boss...
We don't wants ta ruins yo good districk...
We's be moving along naw.

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 11:58 AM
That's a 1:1 with "no White T-shirts" isn't it?



Unfortunately it's not always even been that simple.
I've had friends in suits turned away because their pants were cuffed.

Cuffed Pants? Where did that happen?

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock
Aside from the irony contained in you calling me stupid, if your brothers want to dress in a manner that attracts negative attention, their (and your) complaining about it is dismissed as immature, unimportant whining about the way the world is.

No you just need to get over yourself. I love putting on my white t`s and baggy shorts and watching you uptight ****s in JO get all scared when a big black brother shows up. I have the right to dress how I want. I will assume you dress in dockers in Polo's, and suits, just like those men from Enron, and the guys who started the savings a loan mess, and all the rest of those THUGS who stole money and robbed the American Dream from so many people...that's what I will think when I see you. Does that seam fair to you? No, and it shouldn't.So if they don't let black guys in clubs in white tees then........... From now on any White Male in a Suit and Tie should not be let near any bank or any financial institution because you know how all those white guys in suits are..they will still all the money..lol..because from your logic that's how the world is right?

Micjones
06-08-2009, 11:58 AM
About any restaurant in town says shirt and shoes required.

That is a form of a dress code. Do you agree with that statement?

Is it a 1:1 with "no jerseys or work boots"?
Think McFly.

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 12:00 PM
The bottome line is that if you are not a minority , or a kid who dresses "hip hop" you will not know how it feels to be discriminated against by the power and white district. Most of the people who dress this way are young people, who are not thugs and work all week and want to go blow off some steam at a club. All of us when we were younger dressed in some form that older people did not like. Its just ironic that the same people who are calling these kids thugs, were the kids in the ripped jeans and metal t shirts and long hair who peopel thought were trouble makers when they were young. How easily we forget. If you have a problem with how this KIDS dress get over it. Most of these kids will grow out of this fase( just like almost all of us did) and will dress a little more mature as each year goes by.

These kids and age group you speak of wouldnt even be allowed in P&L because of their age. Most people grow out of that shit after High school.

The hip hop culture in general relates to gang like activity and violence. Besides Will Smith and maybe a few more, I can't really think of another rapper or hip hop artist that doesn't rap about bling, bitches, pimps, ho's, killing, and getting fucked up.

DeezNutz
06-08-2009, 12:01 PM
That's a 1:1 with "no White T-shirts" isn't it?


What's the problem with a white t-shirt (particularly a wet one on a chick)?

JASONSAUTO
06-08-2009, 12:01 PM
Is it a 1:1 with "no jerseys or work boots"?
Think McFly.

so are you saying that me, a white guy, wearing my work boots would be turned away? what's discriminatory about that?

Brock
06-08-2009, 12:01 PM
No you just need to get over yourself. I love putting on my white t`s and baggy shorts and watching you uptight ****s in JO get all scared when a big black brother shows up. I have the right to dress how I want. I will assume you dress in dockers in Polo's, and suits, just like those men from Enron, and the guys who started the savings a loan mess, and all the rest of those THUGS who stole money and robbed the American Dream from so many people...that's what I will think when I see you. Does that seam fair to you? No, and it shouldn't.So if they don't let black guys in clubs in white tees them........... From now on any White Male in a Suit and Tie should not be let near any bank or any financial institution because you know how all those white guys in suits are..they will still all the money..lol..because from your logic that's how the world is right?

You get dumber with every post. Nobody's afraid of you, "Big Black Brother" ROFL. You have the right to dress however you want, except in places where there's a dress code. I need to get over myself? You're a freaking joke who has nothing better to do than complain about how you can't dress the way you want, whenever you want. Sounds like a high school dropout complaining about school rules.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 12:01 PM
If thats the case, why cant they conform to the dress code? Seems simple enough to me?

Why should be have to? How about no suits, because all those corparate THUGS that stole my 401k and destroyed our economy had suits on.

Kyle DeLexus
06-08-2009, 12:01 PM
No you just need to get over yourself. I love putting on my white t`s and baggy shorts and watching you uptight ****s in JO get all scared when a big black brother shows up. I have the right to dress how I want. I will assume you dress in dockers in polos, and suits, just like those men from Enron, and the guys who started the savings a loan mess, and all the rest of those THUGS who stole money and robbed the American Dream from so many people...thats what I will think when I see you. Does that seam fair?

Seriously, if you are going to dress like a gang member why wouldn't you get treated like one. It's the same for white guys as it is blacks. It's not like there is a group of black and white kids dressed like that and someone will go up to the white guys saying "alright you upstanding taxpayers can come in, but only you" It should be common knowledge for everyone that if you dress a certain way, you'll be treated a certain way. Again, this is not new.

I will say if you dress like that be prepared you should know how you'll be treated, but I won't say people that dress that way are scum and couldn't get a job except at pizza hut.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 12:01 PM
Cuffed Pants? Where did that happen?

KC Live.

Fairplay
06-08-2009, 12:02 PM
Is it a 1:1 with "no jerseys or work boots"?
Think McFly.


Again, do you agree or disagree with the statement?

You won't answer the question because you know it is true.

Therefore all your petty debates about this are all for not.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 12:02 PM
You get dumber with every post. Nobody's afraid of you, "Big Black Brother" ROFL. You have the right to dress however you want, except in places where there's a dress code. I need to get over myself? You're a freaking joke who has nothing better to do than complain about you can't dress the way you want, whenever you want. Sounds like a high school dropout complaining about school rules.

and you sound like a stupid fuck..oh, and I am working on my masters, just to let you know.

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 12:02 PM
KC Live.

They wont let people in with cuffs on their pants?

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 12:03 PM
A better question might be... Why should they have to?
Why should a dress code be discriminatory?

How is the dress code discriminatory?..... is the better question.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 12:03 PM
so are you saying that me, a white guy, wearing my work boots would be turned away? what's discriminatory about that?

Sauto, you're smarter than this...
I said earlier that the code will always affect those for whom it was not intended.

But you're not going to tell me that if I owned an establishment that banned, say, cowboy hats/boots that I'm not sending a pretty obvious message.

Iowanian
06-08-2009, 12:04 PM
No white Tshirts? No cuffed pants?

Holy Crap....They're banning Fonzie and the entire male cast of GREASE!! THESE BASTARDS HATE SINGING and dance routines!!!! They hate every male in American Graffiti too!!! Holy Crap...fans of The Outsiders aren't going to be happy either.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 12:04 PM
Seriously, if you are going to dress like a gang member why wouldn't you get treated like one. It's the same for white guys as it is blacks. It's not like there is a group of black and white kids dressed like that and someone will go up to the white guys saying "alright you upstanding taxpayers can come in, but only you" It should be common knowledge for everyone that if you dress a certain way, you'll be treated a certain way. Again, this is not new.

I will say if you dress like that be prepared you should know how you'll be treated, but I won't say people that dress that way are scum and couldn't get a job except at pizza hut.

So then, by your logic, white guys in suits should be classified just like the black guys in white T`s. What is the diffrence? I would say 99% of the people that destroyed our economy with their greed had on suits when they did that...

Micjones
06-08-2009, 12:04 PM
Again, do you agree or disagree with the statement?

You won't answer the question because you know it is true.

Therefore all your petty debates about this are all for not.

It's not the same thing Albert.
Requiring a coat and tie is not a 1:1 with "no jerseys or work boots".
Are you really this dumb?

Brock
06-08-2009, 12:04 PM
and you sound like a stupid ****..oh, and I am working on my masters, just to let you know.

That may be, but you come across as being dumber than a bag of hammers, and your maturity level is definitely pretty low if all you can complain about is not being able to wear your jailhouse garb anywhere you want.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 12:05 PM
No white Tshirts? No cuffed pants?

Holy Crap....They're banning Fonzie and the entire male cast of GREASE!! THESE BASTARDS HATE SINGING and dance routines!!!! They hate every male in American Graffiti too!!! Holy Crap...fans of The Outsiders aren't going to be happy either.

Hey watch it pal. "The Outsiders" is one of my favorite films of all-time.

DeezNutz
06-08-2009, 12:05 PM
Is a white t-shirt targeting a particular demographic?

Mr. Flopnuts
06-08-2009, 12:06 PM
Looks like business has picked up around here. I'll have to read this thread when I get home.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 12:06 PM
That may be, but you come across as being dumber than a bag of hammers, and your maturity level is definitely pretty low if all you can complain about is not being able to wear your jailhouse garb anywhere you want.

Please dont dodge the question ...What about the white guys in suits? should we ban them also.

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 12:06 PM
The outrage over cuffed pants must be supressed by someone....I want to know more. When did this happen and can you desribe the circumstances?

Micjones
06-08-2009, 12:06 PM
How is the dress code discriminatory?..... is the better question.

Because it has a very specific aim to exclude what is largely Hip Hop fashion.
And I think we know how innate that can be to urban communities.

It's not rocket science CoMo.

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 12:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock
Aside from the irony contained in you calling me stupid, if your brothers want to dress in a manner that attracts negative attention, their (and your) complaining about it is dismissed as immature, unimportant whining about the way the world is.

No you just need to get over yourself. I love putting on my white t`s and baggy shorts and watching you uptight ****s in JO get all scared when a big black brother shows up. I have the right to dress how I want. I will assume you dress in dockers in Polo's, and suits, just like those men from Enron, and the guys who started the savings a loan mess, and all the rest of those THUGS who stole money and robbed the American Dream from so many people...that's what I will think when I see you. Does that seam fair to you? No, and it shouldn't.So if they don't let black guys in clubs in white tees then........... From now on any White Male in a Suit and Tie should not be let near any bank or any financial institution because you know how all those white guys in suits are..they will still all the money..lol..because from your logic that's how the world is right?

Are you high?

JASONSAUTO
06-08-2009, 12:07 PM
Sauto, you're smarter than this...
I said earlier that the code will always affect those for whom it was not intended.

But you're not going to tell me that if I owned an establishment that banned, say, cowboy hats/boots that I'm not sending a pretty obvious message.

i am telling you that i was denied entrance and had to go change because of work boots and yeah i'm white as paper. and yeah ANY business has the right to rufuse service to anyone at anytime. if you haev a business and dont want to smell cow shit then ban boots and hats.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 12:08 PM
Because it has a very specific aim to exclude what is largely Hip Hop fashion.
And I think we know how innate that can be to urban communities.

It's not rocket science CoMo.

Good post, but that was to simple for the Bill Oriely crowd..they will just blame Obama for this

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 12:08 PM
Please dont dodge the question ...What about the white guys in suits? should we ban them also.

I hate ties. In fact I have worn a tie once in the last 4 years. That sort of takes me out of suits because a suit without a tie looks out of place. But I can dress with open collar and a sport coat. That does work.

Iowanian
06-08-2009, 12:08 PM
No one in the Kansas City area in a suit or tucked in shirt has robbed at gunpoint after asking for a ride or pistol whipped any of my relatives while walking to their apartment.



How would tucking in the shirt and pulling up the pants interfere with one's enjoyment of a concert or restaurant?

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 12:09 PM
Are you high?

NO, just following the same stupid logic that some of you are.

Dottefan
06-08-2009, 12:09 PM
No one in the Kansas City area in a suit or tucked in shirt has robbed at gunpoint after asking for a ride or pistol whipped any of my relatives while walking to their apartment.

No, they just robbed millions of people at once.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 12:11 PM
i am telling you that i was denied entrance and had to go change because of work boots and yeah i'm white as paper. and yeah ANY business has the right to rufuse service to anyone at anytime. if you haev a business and dont want to smell cow shit then ban boots and hats.

And for the last time...
The policy will always affect those for whom it was not intended.
That hardly makes it proper or ethical.

They're receiving tax assistance.
Why should they be allowed to discriminate?

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 12:11 PM
No, they just robbed millions of people at once.

Its the economy of scale. If you are going to be a thief, focus on rich folks cause they have stuff, more stuff, better stuff and newer stuff.

Micjones
06-08-2009, 12:12 PM
No one in the Kansas City area in a suit or tucked in shirt has robbed at gunpoint after asking for a ride or pistol whipped any of my relatives while walking to their apartment.



How would tucking in the shirt and pulling up the pants interfere with one's enjoyment of a concert or restaurant?

It probably wouldn't.

How would having a less focused dress code impact the average person's experience at the P&L District?

Demonpenz
06-08-2009, 12:13 PM
someone's going to get a clip on tie and shoot up the joint then we will all go back to westport

Brock
06-08-2009, 12:13 PM
Please dont dodge the question ...What about the white guys in suits? should we ban them also.

I'm not dodging the question, I'm ignoring it because it's stupid and obtuse. It's like asking why laws in this country favor rich people. Can you do the math on that one?

HonestChieffan
06-08-2009, 12:13 PM
And for the last time...
The policy will always affect those for whom it was not intended.
That hardly makes it proper or ethical.

They're receiving tax assistance.
Why should they be allowed to be discriminate?

I asked before if you can explain the tax assitance they get that impacts the person who does not go to Pand L? How does it cost me tax dollars?

I also asked for more info on this cuffed pants thing, can you give more deatil?

Katipan
06-08-2009, 12:13 PM
Sounds like the dress code in my high school.

gblowfish
06-08-2009, 12:13 PM
THE MAN wears suits.
So he is allowed in to pay $8 for a drink.
Get it?

Dayze
06-08-2009, 12:14 PM
No, they just robbed millions of people at once.

If I don’t like the way I’m treated at a business, I don’t give them my business/money.

The same goes for the crooks in suits (I agree; they’re crooks)
If you were robbed by them (join the club), then don’t give them your business.
Don’t use loans of any form; don’t use any form of credit w/ interest;
BUY all your stuff etc. Those dudes made all that money because of credit. Credit = the worst thing you can enter into.

I got jobbed on my 401k too from those dudes; which is why it’s my goal to keep all my money; no mortgage, no CC, no car payments. I will own all my sh*t outright so those dudes can’ take sh*t away from me.

CoMoChief
06-08-2009, 12:15 PM
Sauto, you're smarter than this...
I said earlier that the code will always affect those for whom it was not intended.

But you're not going to tell me that if I owned an establishment that banned, say, cowboy hats/boots that I'm not sending a pretty obvious message.

That though wouldnt be twisted into a racial argument.

A lot of clubs dont allow any kind of hat, majority of the people just take the hat back to their car and then are allowed to come inside.

Mr. Flopnuts
06-08-2009, 12:17 PM
I'm the first person to call someone out for racist behavior. That said, you guys are whining over this dress code shit. You don't like it? Go somewhere else.

Dayze
06-08-2009, 12:17 PM
I'm the first person to call someone out for racist behavior. That said, you guys are whining over this dress code shit. You don't like it? Go somewhere else.

:thumb:
x2

Lzen
06-08-2009, 12:17 PM
For the record, I can never resist a Chappelle's Show reference. I wasn't attacking you or anything. Even with caps lock on you are a lot cooler than the pack of prejudiced simpletons in this thread.

You're such a suck up. :p