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pr_capone
06-11-2009, 12:36 AM
is he capable of coaching the Chiefs to a top 12 offensive ranking this season?

I think so... but a lot has to happen to get there.

Cassel is the real thing at QB. (I hope he is)

Bowe stops dropping so many balls.

LJ mans up (he seems to being doing it)

AND

either:

Bradley manages to not get hurt all year because Engram just won't cut it at #2

or

Cottam catches 500 yards and a couple of TDs. The guy has solid hands, fast, and he is a mountain so it is not out of the realm of possibility.

/enjoying his summer properly

Phobia
06-11-2009, 12:44 AM
Cottam ain't catching 500 yards. I'll put money on that. I still don't know what has given you the idea that he has solid hands.

Discuss Thrower
06-11-2009, 01:01 AM
Chan will be lucky to get Top 20 because:

1. The Offensive Line won't be good enough to keep Cassel's jersey clean.
2. Chiefs will be lucky to get close to 1500 receiving yards... Nobody will be able to get close to half of Bowe's share of that.
3. Brad Cottam is the new Jason Dunn... NTTAWT
4. LJ might man up, he might not, but he's still not going to look like the back he used to be behind a line that exists now.

RustShack
06-11-2009, 01:50 AM
I think you mean WHEN Bradley gets hurt, DVD must emerge!!!

pr_capone
06-11-2009, 04:23 AM
Cottam ain't catching 500 yards. I'll put money on that. I still don't know what has given you the idea that he has solid hands.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2008/draft/players/5785.html


Moves well about the field, runs above average routes and uses his frame protect the pass. Catches the ball well and a solid intermediate range target.

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I'm just saying that while he is no TonyG... he also isn't Jason Dunn.

sodcat
06-11-2009, 04:25 AM
and if Cottam stays healthy.

Norman Einstein
06-11-2009, 04:56 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2008/draft/players/5785.html



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I'm just saying that while he is no TonyG... he also isn't Jason Dunn.

If you watch the videos, most of the highlights are the exact same play from different angles. If that's his highlights we may be in trouble.

BossChief
06-11-2009, 05:19 AM
Go to camp, Cottam can fly and can consistantly catch the ball. He has good hands.

In this offense, built on underneath dump offs and yac yards, Cottam could flourish on chip release routes.

500 yards isnt out of the question THIS YEAR.

He should develop into an outstanding blocker as well, the stronger he can get the better.

he will never fill the shoes of Tony in the court of public opinion but could have a very productive career in this system.

Cassel took alot of sacks last year and used his tight end alot, I suppose Cottam could achieve similar production as NE tight ends did on average.

400 yards with 4-5 touchdowns is more likely of a achievable goal though...

I just hope he can stay healthy.

Jethopper
06-11-2009, 05:51 AM
500 yards isn't far-fetched due to our lackluster WR corp.

WhitiE
06-11-2009, 06:35 AM
If you watch the videos, most of the highlights are the exact same play from different angles. If that's his highlights we may be in trouble.

you may be in trouble, but brad and the chiefs not so much.....

Saulbadguy
06-11-2009, 06:48 AM
Cottam catches 20 passes at most.

BossChief
06-11-2009, 07:13 AM
Cottam catches 20 passes at most.

if this were the gong show, this comment would get GONGED!

kepp
06-11-2009, 07:22 AM
500 yards isn't far-fetched due to our lackluster WR corp.

Maybe if Thigpen was still starting, but hopefully Cassel won't lock on to his safety valve from the snap.

Fish
06-11-2009, 07:48 AM
Go to camp, Cottam can fly and can consistantly catch the ball. He has good hands.

In this offense, built on underneath dump offs and yac yards, Cottam could flourish on chip release routes.

500 yards isnt out of the question THIS YEAR.

He should develop into an outstanding blocker as well, the stronger he can get the better.

he will never fill the shoes of Tony in the court of public opinion but could have a very productive career in this system.

Cassel took alot of sacks last year and used his tight end alot, I suppose Cottam could achieve similar production as NE tight ends did on average.

400 yards with 4-5 touchdowns is more likely of a achievable goal though...

I just hope he can stay healthy.

We're not going to be running the same offense we were last year....

Cottam is going to be blocking. That's about it....

BarrySPAMAID
06-11-2009, 09:46 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2008/draft/players/5785.html



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I'm just saying that while he is no TonyG... he also isn't Jason Dunn.

Well said sir, and I couldnt agree more. Brad has NFL ability, and can make a difference on this offense. I am really excited to watch the big guy go this year.

whoman69
06-11-2009, 09:59 AM
The offense will change, but there simply is not enough talent in the receiving corps or the backfield that the TE position can be ignored as a passing target. We probably will also have to utilize the TE more in pass protection. But Cottam is not known as a blocking TE so if he can't catch the ball when needed he is a bust. 500 yards for a TE is like 50 catches, and I don't see that, but would look to 40 and that be a good year for him.

wasi
06-11-2009, 10:11 AM
I'm not sure what to think about the offense and Chan Gailey this season.

On the one hand, I like the fact that Haley retained him and kept atleast some continuity. Gailey has a lot of experience with different schemes and drew up some nice plays last season. I think that the lack of production in the second half of games had more to do with Herm and his tendency to go into a shell or not getting the players in condition and prepared for the second half.
I think offense will again be based around LJ and running the ball as it was supposed to be last season. The additions along the offensive line are better run blockers than pass protectors. The question is how much will other teams respect the passing game. Last year, there was no QB on the roster that had proved himself. Cassell changes that in my opinion.

On the other hand, I'm worried about the ability of our receivers to get open and the ability of the line to open holes for LJ and keep Cassell upright. Any defense isn't going to be successful if they are on the field the whole game and the problems the Chiefs have on offense are significant. Based on Haley's comments, there nothing thats been said to change my opinion. The offense is struggling right now, plain and simple.

That said, the shift away from the TE being the focus of the passing game is a refreshing change. I think Bowe could have a great year but his success will depend on someone else stepping up to take the double team away from Bowe. I think we will see a lot of gimmick type plays, with Cassell AND Thigpen on the field. But the offense to start the season is going to feature LJ. That's the only reason I think he is here and working hard.

Inspector
06-11-2009, 10:11 AM
How good is the line going to be?

Seems like so much starts with those guys up front.

Manila-Chief
06-11-2009, 01:26 PM
We're not going to be running the same offense we were last year....

Cottam is going to be blocking. That's about it....

Anyone know ... what was the roll of the TE in AZ offense last year? I know they had 2 excellent WR's, but looking at how their TE was used will tell us a lot about what to expece out of Cottam ... would it not?

Manila-Chief
06-11-2009, 01:28 PM
On the other hand ... if our OL isn't up to par ... Cassel might be forced to dump the ball a lot and increase the catches of the TE and RB's ... but, then ... it would seem to me ... that the offense will not be in the top 20 if he has to get rid of the ball to quickly???

Fish
06-11-2009, 01:32 PM
Anyone know ... what was the roll of the TE in AZ offense last year? I know they had 2 excellent WR's, but looking at how their TE was used will tell us a lot about what to expece out of Cottam ... would it not?

Leonard Pope, their best TE, only had 23 receptions for 238yds last season. They had a couple other TEs, but none caught more than a handful of catches.

They didn't use the TE much.....

Manila-Chief
06-11-2009, 02:22 PM
Leonard Pope, their best TE, only had 23 receptions for 238yds last season. They had a couple other TEs, but none caught more than a handful of catches.

They didn't use the TE much.....

That says to me that our TE will not catch very many ... especially if he is a green horn. Maybe that is why they traded Tony ... uselss to have a player of his talent just sitting around.

chiefs1111
06-11-2009, 02:46 PM
So do you think Chan will be running the spread offense again this season, maybe a hybird version or do you think Haley will try to go to a more typical style NFL type offense?

Im sure we will be in the spread some of the time but I don't think it's going to be our primary offense either.

DaneMcCloud
06-11-2009, 02:56 PM
Anyone know ... what was the roll of the TE in AZ offense last year? I know they had 2 excellent WR's, but looking at how their TE was used will tell us a lot about what to expece out of Cottam ... would it not?

AZ has three excellent receivers. Steve Breaston had more than 1,000 yards as well.

But, the Chiefs don't have HOF QB. They don't have three guys capable of gaining over 1,000 yards each in one season (they may only have one). They don't even have what I'd consider a "solid" offensive line.

Combine that with the fact that they face some serious, serious defenses this year in the Giants, Ravens, Steelers, Eagles and even Dallas (the Cowboys has 55 sacks last year).

The Chiefs shouldn't have the worst offense in the league but I'd be surprised if they ranked higher than 25th.

DaneMcCloud
06-11-2009, 02:59 PM
The offense will change, but there simply is not enough talent in the receiving corps or the backfield that the TE position can be ignored as a passing target. We probably will also have to utilize the TE more in pass protection. But Cottam is not known as a blocking TE so if he can't catch the ball when needed he is a bust. 500 yards for a TE is like 50 catches, and I don't see that, but would look to 40 and that be a good year for him.

Cottam had 21 catches in 4 years at Tennessee.

If has 30 or more in 2009, that would have to be considered a great year for him.

Fish
06-11-2009, 03:04 PM
That says to me that our TE will not catch very many ... especially if he is a green horn. Maybe that is why they traded Tony ... uselss to have a player of his talent just sitting around.

Yup. AZ had loads and loads of talent in the WR position. Essentially, they had very little need to use a TE with the talents of Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston having over 1000yds each.

And I was actually wrong about the TE position. I was looking at 07 stats. Last season, AZ had 4 TEs put in time, and combined they only had 25 receptions and 237 yds. Combined. Second year man Ben Patrick led them with 11 receptions for 104yds.