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jAZ
06-11-2009, 08:03 AM
http://www.israelpolicyforum.org/blog/obama-inspires-possible-shift-hamas

Obama Inspires Possible Shift in HamasThe Pulse
Posted June 11, 2009 - 8:55am
Assaf Gabor in Makor Rishon-Hatzofe:

The Arab world translates Obama's Cairo speech as a change in American policy, and so does Hamas.

Hamas Political Bureau Director Khaled Mashal: "Hamas will not be an obstacle to a peace agreement in the 1967 borders, Hamas will be a positive element helping to reach a solution that is fair to the Palestinians and will enable them to realize their rights."

In response, high-ranking Hamas figure Salah Bardawil told Makor Rishon-Hatzofe, "Mashal disclosed the first details of Hamas's new policy, as a factor that will act in the framework of a Palestinian government, after there is Palestinian unity, and in the framework of the Mecca agreement."

Bardawil explained Hamas's strategy, which is dealing with a situation of being globally ostracized: "The change is a response to Israeli pressure to make Hamas irrelevant and to disregard it as representing the Palestinian majority." He said that the new compromising American policy had an effect: "Khaled Mashal, after Obama's visit and the change in policy being led by Obama, said this with the goal of showing the world the real problem, which is Israel's attitude.

Khaled Mashal's speech does not indicate any substantive change or U-turn in Hamas policy. Mashal points out that there are Palestinian demands and that the world has to focus on the real problem, the conditions under which the Palestinian live, the humanitarian problem in Gaza, Abu Mazen, unfortunately, and the Fayyad government, which cooperates with Israeli pressure. They are scared of American and Israeli pressure."

Regarding the possibility of recognizing Israel, Bardawil provided a headline when he clearly said, "a Palestinian state is a condition for recognition. Peace is built stone by stone, at this point the Palestinian nation has left its land and lives in Gaza and the West Bank separately, what is left of our land is under occupation, and then there is a separation fence and the settlements that are growing. Talk of peace in exchange for peace, or plans that Netanyahu and Lieberman are leading that relate to the Palestinians like a small group, are not talk of peace. The fact is that Israel has not spoken up until now about a situation of two states, only the US."

Bardawil said: "We aspire to establish a Palestinian state from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River. But practically, considering the situation, Hamas wants to realize its rights, to establish a Palestinian state. The entire world talks about the principle of two states for two peoples, but we see only one state, the State of Israel, which still has no clear borders and does what it wants even in the area under control of the PA. Give us a state and we'll talk about recognition."

Asked if the Palestinian state with Hamas would recognize the State of Israel, he said yes, "If our demand is met and a Palestinian state is established, we will recognize Israel, because we will have a state and they will have a state. At the moment, the situation is that one state controls another state."

He also said: "The matter of recognition is a personal matter, you recognize us and we'll recognize you. There are no magic solutions. One way is to continue the violence and the war, another is mutual recognition and the establishment of the Palestinian state. The state of Palestine will end the fighting with Israel."

stevieray
06-11-2009, 08:06 AM
'if our demands are met...'

I know I look up to hamas when "recognizing" a nation...because if they can't do it,, how can anyone else?

Hamas has a friend in jAZ

Dave Lane
06-11-2009, 08:32 AM
Hamas will become a normalized political organization if they are given something to lose ala the IRA in England. They need to be included in all talks since they are a democratically elected representative of the people of Palestine like it or not.

HonestChieffan
06-11-2009, 08:37 AM
Put your faith in Hamas...right. They just used to be terrorists. Sorta like the mob going legit.

KILLER_CLOWN
06-11-2009, 08:45 AM
FACT: Hamas was started by Mossad.

Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".



Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."

The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an "Islamic University" in Gaza. "The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza." At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks) , the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.

In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (‘uprising’) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): "God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution", proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.

Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.

The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.

Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison ("on humanitarian grounds") where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.

Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war, (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries. The the budget of The Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories.

The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.


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petegz28
06-11-2009, 08:51 AM
LMAO....jAZ you are such the naive Obot. Anyone who thinks Hamas will play nice is fooling themselves.

jAZ
06-11-2009, 08:53 AM
Put your faith in Republican Sinn Féin...right. They just used to be terrorists. Sorta like the mob going legit.

Fixed.

jAZ
06-11-2009, 09:27 AM
LMAO....jAZ you are such the naive Obot. Anyone who thinks the IRA will play nice is fooling themselves.
Fixed.

SBK
06-11-2009, 09:30 AM
Unlike the IRA, who would give warning so as not to cause harm to people, Hamas straps bombs to their kids and sends them to the market.

Maybe Hamas knows about the 'them jews' comment and know they have a friend in Washington?
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petegz28
06-11-2009, 09:30 AM
Fixed.

Now you are comparing Hamas to the IRA? ROFL

***SPRAYER
06-11-2009, 09:36 AM
kOZ believes them.

:drool:

BigRedChief
06-11-2009, 09:38 AM
Hamas will become a normalized political organization if they are given something to lose ala the IRA in England. They need to be included in all talks since they are a democratically elected representative of the people of Palestine like it or not.
Remember the PLO? The ones who hijacked airplanes? killed americans? Same leaders that run Palenstine now? the ones representing the Palestinians in peace talks.

It's not unprecendented.

jAZ
06-11-2009, 09:49 AM
Remember the PLO? The ones who hijacked airplanes? killed americans? Same leaders that run Palenstine now? the ones representing the Palestinians in peace talks.

It's not unprecendented.
Political Terrorism is a polito-military response to a groups inability to exert meaningful political power through democratic or diplomatic means.

Give those groups access to "the table" and they routinely abandon terrorism.

petegz28
06-11-2009, 09:55 AM
Political Terrorism is a polito-military response to a groups inability to exert meaningful political power through democratic or diplomatic means.

Give those groups access to "the table" and they routinely abandon terrorism.

LMAO......ROFLROFLROFL

How is that beach front, Arizona condo working for you?

blaise
06-11-2009, 10:00 AM
Sure.

***SPRAYER
06-12-2009, 12:00 PM
The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for almost 40 years now. It took a divestment campaign to wake the business community up concerning the South Africa issue. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community up and to wake Americans up concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.

-Jeremiah Wright, Jr.

:drool:

KcFanInGA
06-12-2009, 12:07 PM
I would love to go to Rev. Wrights church, but Im white, and do not own bulletproof vests. Also, the Jews told me not to.

patteeu
06-13-2009, 06:22 AM
In other words, Hamas is rejecting the idea of land for peace and proposing that the Israelis, instead, give up land (and other unspecified concessions) for the prospect of talking about peace. Obama's really got them turning around over there. :rolleyes:

Ultra Peanut
06-13-2009, 07:00 AM
I miss Hamas.