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Donger
06-14-2009, 03:38 PM
Seems like Obama won't rule out taxing health care benefits in order to achieve universal health coverage. Do any of our resident liberals agree that these should be taxed if necessary in order to achieve that goal?

Donger
06-14-2009, 03:40 PM
Oh, and if so, does this completely blow away Obama's $250,000 per year folks won't pay increased taxes pledge?

BucEyedPea
06-14-2009, 03:44 PM
It's disgusting. It would hurt me a lot. I went years without a plan and now get a plan only to have it taxed. What I suspect this is about is taxing private policies out of existence so the govt can take it all over. Nice huh? I wonder if those who supported the bailouts, including Big Auto on the basis of millions losing their jobs feel the same about those who work for HC insurance. It would destroy a market and possibly an industry. This is a power grab too. Nothing but socialist control over everything we have and do....or close to that.

banyon
06-14-2009, 03:46 PM
That seems unlikely now:

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headsnap
06-14-2009, 03:48 PM
That seems unlikely now:

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that's just another Biden gaffe...

Donger
06-14-2009, 03:50 PM
That seems unlikely now:

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Unless I'm mistaken, Biden stated that he wouldn't rule it out. Therefore, it's an option, if necessary.

banyon
06-14-2009, 03:54 PM
Unless I'm mistaken, Biden stated that he wouldn't rule it out. Therefore, it's an option, if necessary.

Yes, hence my use of the word "unlikely" as opposed to "impossible".

And no, I don't think they should or will be taxed.

memyselfI
06-14-2009, 04:33 PM
Seems like Obama won't rule out taxing health care benefits in order to achieve universal health coverage. Do any of our resident liberals agree that these should be taxed if necessary in order to achieve that goal?

Didn't he take McCain to task for even considering this PRIOR to his election? :rolleyes::spock::doh!:

***SPRAYER
06-14-2009, 04:43 PM
Didn't he take McCain to task for even considering this PRIOR to his election? :rolleyes::spock::doh!:

Can you at least wait until Bunyon gives B.O. his happy ending?

SBK
06-14-2009, 05:09 PM
Didn't he take McCain to task for even considering this PRIOR to his election? :rolleyes::spock::doh!:

Obama inherited the idea.

2bikemike
06-14-2009, 07:14 PM
That would be a huge mistake. Sooner or later you think the Pols would learn that for every dollar they take out of my pocket it is one less dollar I have to spend or invest.

wild1
06-14-2009, 11:09 PM
Oh, and if so, does this completely blow away Obama's $250,000 per year folks won't pay increased taxes pledge?

anyone who believed that in the first place probably wouldn't notice anything wrong until that they were being buttered and an apple shoved in their mouth anyway

HonestChieffan
06-16-2009, 04:45 PM
Anyone who does not think we will see taxes on health care benefits and a VAT or some sort of National Sales Tax is dreaming. I would expect that the tax on benefits will apply only to those people who are still working. He cant piss off every retiree.

KC Dan
06-16-2009, 05:00 PM
When they tax health benefits and have a public insurance system in place, employer based benefits are gone. Period. Why would any company keep them.

HonestChieffan
06-16-2009, 05:04 PM
Sort of stupid to plan on taxing benefits to pay for the govt program then run the users to the pub side and in the end, you dont have anything to tax.

But wait thats Obonomics at its best.

BigChiefFan
06-16-2009, 05:52 PM
I'm not for taxing it. We're ALREADY paying for it and now they want to jack up the price? No thanks. Quit spending, please.

Brock
06-16-2009, 06:34 PM
Corporate America wants out of the insurance business, get used to the idea. Their servants in Washington are going to make this happen "for the children". ROFL

KILLER_CLOWN
06-16-2009, 07:22 PM
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BucEyedPea
06-16-2009, 07:30 PM
Corporate America wants out of the insurance business, get used to the idea. Their servants in Washington are going to make this happen "for the children". ROFL

I've actually read that in a business article about 4 years ago. They're tired of the costs going up, that's why. They've begun dealing with it by making their personnel pay more of it.

I've an idea. If we get a govt insurance HC policy, which we'll all be taxed for...how 'bout they at least allow some to opt out of it. And that means those who opt out don't have any of their income taken for it to pool with those who do want it.

This way there's still some competition left in the situation. Those who want a private plan instead ( without any govt mandates on it) that's market based whereby they can pick catastrophic coverage only and use wellness clinics if they choose natural treatments.

That'd be an awesome compromise. Those who want a cheap govt policy can be put on waiting lists. Let them pool their own funds. If they don't like it they can go private but have faster access without any discrimination by age or anything. We'll see which one is more successful. Allow it to have some competition just as there are some alternatives in education through private and/or homeschools. Shoulda' done this with the PO years ago too.

Saul Good
06-16-2009, 07:32 PM
I've actually read that in a business article about 4 years ago. They're tired of the costs going up, that's why. They've begun dealing with it by making their personnel pay more of it.

I've an idea. If we get a govt insurance HC policy, which we'll all be taxed for...how 'bout they at least allow some to opt out of it. And that means those who opt out don't have any of their income taken for it to pool with those who do want it.

This way there's still some competition left in the situation. Those who want a private plan instead ( without any govt mandates on it) that's market based whereby they can pick catastrophic coverage only and use wellness clinics if they choose natural treatments.

That'd be an awesome compromise. Those who want a cheap govt policy can be put on waiting lists. Let them pool their own funds. If they don't like it they can go private but have faster access without any discrimination by age or anything. We'll see which one is more successful. Allow it to have some competition just as there are some alternatives in education through private and/or homeschools. Shoulda' done this with the PO years ago too.

That'll happen. The government is always looking for ways to allow the private sector to compete with it.

BucEyedPea
06-16-2009, 07:33 PM
That'll happen. The government is always looking for ways to allow the private sector to compete with it.

You're being sarcastic, I presume.