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Count Zarth
06-14-2009, 05:37 PM
The New Marshall Plan: Trade Him

http://profootball.scout.com/2/872248.html

Ed Thompson says that Broncos owner Pat Bowlen needs a new Marshall plan and should ship the team's star receiver elsewhere while he still has some trade value.

For the good of the team, Broncos owner Pat Bowlen should jettison his star wide receiver, Brandon Marshall, while he still has some market value.

After skipping the team's mandatory workouts this past week, Marshall was reportedly spotted carrying boxes out to his car following a meeting with Bowlen. Rumors have been circulating for some time that the fourth-year receiver, who is still rehabbing from off-season hip surgery, would like a new contract.

Bowlen recently told ESPN that he and Marshall are on good terms, saying, "I'm very keen on having Brandon play for the Broncos."

While I respect Pat Bowlen and what he's accomplished through his franchise, that simply doesn't make sense to me. He should be putting the irresponsible fourth-year player on the trading block to avoid any more damage to the team's public image and brand.

If it's true that Marshall wants a new deal that would pay him as well as the league's other top receivers, that's simply ridiculous and really bad timing.

By entering into a new contract with Marshall now, Denver would be gambling big bucks on a player who, in just three short years:

* Has been ordered to get anger management counseling in exchange for having false imprisonment and domestic violence charges dropped.

* Has been sentenced to a year of probation after avoiding a likely DUI conviction by entering a guilty plea to driving while ability-impaired (after being pulled over with a reported blood-alcohol level of 0.116 in a state where the legal limit is 0.08).

* Still has two counts of simple battery charges pending due to alleged violence against former-girlfriend Rasheedah Watley

* Was suspended by the league for three games in 2008 (which was later reduced to one game after he complied with league requirements that included more counseling).

* Was arrested in March along with Michi Nogami-Campbell -- just weeks after they were engaged -- by an off-duty police officer who reportedly saw the pair hitting and kicking each other in public.

Here's what the Pro Bowl receiver had to say about his latest brush with the law.

"The judge, the next day, he had the police report, he had all the facts in front of him." Marshall said during a recently televised ESPN interview. "He looked at it and saw that there was no wrong-doing, it was simply an argument, and they got it wrong."

Simply an argument? So the officer didn't see them hitting and kicking each other or Marshall pinning the woman up against a wall? Well, either the officer needs to get glasses and apologize to the Broncos receiver, or Marshall needs to understand that an argument is a verbal exchange, not a physical one.

By other accounts, the charges of disorderly conduct were dropped after both Marshall and Michi Nogami-Campbell refused to press charges against each other, not because the police "got it wrong" as Marshall suggested.

But maybe that's just the lens through which he sees the world, constantly putting his spin on incidents when his life spins out of control. After all, over the past few years he's had to talk with police officers following run-ins with two different women, his father, an off-duty police officer in a restaurant, and during his arrest as a DUI suspect. Yet through it all, Marshall seems to miss the point that the common denominator in all of his problems has been him.

During his interview with ESPN, Marshall repeatedly shuffled through a stack of papers as though he was seeking a prepared answer to some of the questions being posed. That hit me as odd since he was involved in every single incident. If he wanted to be on camera to simply tell the truth, why did he need to keep referring to those papers?

While I'd be surprised if his former girlfriend has been completely honest about what has transpired between the pair, Marshall brought his honesty further into doubt when he was asked about one specific incident where he allegedly blocked the taxi cab of his former girlfriend with his own vehicle and then pounded on the windows angrily, prompting her to call 911 for help. Her version of the story was reportedly backed up by the cab driver.

Marshall hesitated a few seconds before replying to the question about whether or not he had pounded on the windows. Then he looked into the camera and claimed that he had "tapped" on the window to get the cab driver's attention because the woman had his cell phone and he wanted it back.

Right. And that's why he agreed to go to anger management counseling after the incident in exchange for having the false imprisonment and domestic violence charges dropped. That tapping on windows can be pretty scary stuff.

While the league office opted not to suspend Marshall for his most recent arrest, you may want to jot down his reaction to that decision. I have a feeling these words will be coming back to haunt him, especially if he and his bride-to-be can't find a more civil way to "argue" than they did in Atlanta.

"Getting straight to the point, I understand that there can't be any more hiccups from me. With that said, I guarantee, repeat, I guarantee there won't be any more from this day forward," Marshall reportedly told Denver radio station KDVR. "I'm thankful to the league and their findings today, but this is also a continuance of me looking into the mirror and growing into the man I know I should be."

Former Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler realized that Marshall's immaturity was a big problem for the team last year, sharing his candid thoughts with the media after the receiver sustained a very serious cut that severed tendons in his arm. Marshall claimed that he had fallen into a television set while fooling around with his brother, an incident that he referenced as a wake-up call.

"He's had many wakeup calls," Cutler said last April. "I mean, he's been in [head coach Mike] Shanahan's office many times. I've been up there with him. He said the same thing, 'this is a wakeup call, this is the last thing that's going to happen. Blah blah blah.' I mean, until he goes out and proves it, we'll see what happens."

While Cutler didn't particularly think that Marshall was a bad person, "It's just something about him. He's always into something," he said.

With all the distraction and negative publicity that Marshall has brought to the Broncos organization in just three short years, Bowlen should tell the team's general manager, Brian Xanders, to make a few phone calls this week and find the most advantageous way to banish the receiver from Denver. The damage that Marshall has done to the team through choices he's made have tarnished an otherwise highly-respected organization. Continuing to ignore his repeated off-the-field problems sends a message that the team's public image is worth less than the allure of another 100-catch season.

And that's a shame.

Marshall isn't likely to catch 100 passes with Kyle Orton at quarterback anyway. And having him run routes along with squeaky-clean types like Eddie Royal and Brandon Stokley magnifies the difference between Marshall and the kind of people and players the Broncos organization usually tries to showcase.

Bowlen should raise his team's conduct standard to reflect the league's personal conduct policy that states: "It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the league is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime."


That statement is pretty clear. I don't see an asterisk or waiver for a player like Marshall just because he has caught 226 passes for 2,899 yards and 15 touchdowns during his three-year career. And rather than waiting to see if the league will slap Marshall with more penalties after his pending assault trial, Bowlen should make a statement to everyone associated with the organization that they have no room on their roster for players who are magnets for trouble. The distractions to the team and the damage to the team's brand isn't worth it.

Bowlen could also send a message to Marshall that might help him turn his life around, much like the Vikings did when they traded malcontent Randy Moss to the hapless Oakland Raiders a few years ago. Moss withered into anonymity in Oakland, leaving him pining for a better opportunity. And when he finally got it through a trade to New England, Moss became a better person and player. He had obviously learned a valuable life lesson during his exile.

Xanders' first phone calls for potential trade partners should be Detroit and St. Louis, a pair of rebuilding teams that won a combined total of two games last year. If Marshall does believe that he's worth more than the nearly $2.2 million he's scheduled to earn this year -- despite all of his baggage -- let him prove it with one of those teams.

Some of the other teams who might be willing put an attractive offer on the table for Marshall are the New York Jets, the Cleveland Browns, the Baltimore Ravens and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Earlier this year, Jay Cutler was traded after showing his disdain and lack of trust in the Broncos' new head coach, Josh McDaniels. Rumors indicated that McDaniels was willing to swap Cutler in a multi-team deal that would have brought Matt Cassel to Denver, and Cutler took exception to the notion in a very public forum. Bowlen responded appropriately and boldly as the team worked out a trade with the Chicago Bears, eliminating a huge distraction for his club this year.

And that's what makes his hesitance to part ways with Marshall even more puzzling.

Bowlen would be wise to move Marshall now while he still has some perceived trade value. Because after Marshall's next screw-up, Denver's pool of potential trade partners will shrink even further.

The Bad Guy
06-14-2009, 05:44 PM
I've never in my life seen an off-season go so bad for a franchsie. You could relocate the Broncos to Mexico and that would still be a better offseason than the one they are having right now.

Long live McDaniels.

milkman
06-14-2009, 05:45 PM
Donkey Bobber and Homo 2724 will be along shortly to tell us that Kyle Orton doesn't need Brandon Marshall.

cabletech94
06-14-2009, 06:02 PM
Donkey Bobber and Homo 2724 will be along shortly to tell us that Kyle Orton doesn't need Brandon Marshall.

I literally just shot milk out my nose! Thanks Milkman!!!

milkman
06-14-2009, 06:04 PM
I literally just shot milk out my nose! Thanks Milkman!!!

Just to be clear, I wasn't the one that delivered that milk to you.

Thig Lyfe
06-14-2009, 06:10 PM
DO WANT

David.
06-14-2009, 06:13 PM
DO WANT

Yeah i'd love to see marshall in red and gold, I just don't think it's very likely the broncos trade their best player to a division rival.

MagicHef
06-14-2009, 06:20 PM
Yeah i'd love to see marshall in red and gold, I just don't think it's very likely the broncos trade their best player to a division rival.

a) Clady is our best player.

b) Marshall isn't getting traded at all.

KCUnited
06-14-2009, 06:28 PM
The guy is recovering from surgery and won't work with the team's staff. Hello.

Marcellus
06-14-2009, 06:39 PM
a) Clady is our best player.

b) Marshall isn't getting traded at all.

Just keep telling yourself that, and you will feel just fine.

I don't think you have proof either statement is true.

SNR
06-14-2009, 07:12 PM
Thigpen and a 6th rounder for Marshall
:evil:

DTLB58
06-14-2009, 07:27 PM
Yeah i'd love to see marshall in red and gold, I just don't think it's very likely the broncos trade their best player to a division rival.

After reading all the stupid things that idiot has done the only colors he is going to end up in is prison blues.

No thanks.

Thig Lyfe
06-14-2009, 07:47 PM
After reading all the stupid things that idiot has done the only colors he is going to end up in is prison blues.

No thanks.

At some point we're going to need to shake the Vermeil/Edwards ideal of the no-character-issue team and just add some fucking talent.

If we had a shot at Brandon Marshall (which we don't), we'd be absolutely fucking retarded to not at least take that shot. WE WERE 2-14 LAST YEAR. What exactly would be ruined by taking a chance on him?

Fritz88
06-14-2009, 07:58 PM
It's sucking donkey tits for the Donks.

Just Passin' By
06-14-2009, 07:58 PM
At some point we're going to need to shake the Vermeil/Edwards ideal of the no-character-issue team and just add some ****ing talent.

If we had a shot at Brandon Marshall (which we don't), we'd be absolutely ****ing retarded to not at least take that shot. WE WERE 2-14 LAST YEAR. What exactly would be ruined by taking a chance on him?

He might be a bad influence on the young players. Perhaps the team should just let Larry Johnson show them the ropes instead.

SBK
06-14-2009, 08:08 PM
This has been the best off-season EVAR!

BigChiefFan
06-14-2009, 08:15 PM
Marshall's a trainwreck-I wouldn't want him on the team. He's obviously undisciplined and isn't showing much in the way of being a team player. No thanks.

EyePod
06-14-2009, 08:16 PM
DO WANT

I would rather have worse receivers than have to pay a stuck up one. I hate receivers that think they're all that and a bag of potato chips. He's really good, but he's not that good. Why pay someone who's gonna be suspended and injured anyways? Pay someone less and get someone better next year.

DTLB58
06-14-2009, 08:45 PM
At some point we're going to need to shake the Vermeil/Edwards ideal of the no-character-issue team and just add some ****ing talent.

If we had a shot at Brandon Marshall (which we don't), we'd be absolutely ****ing retarded to not at least take that shot. WE WERE 2-14 LAST YEAR. What exactly would be ruined by taking a chance on him?

I'd be more willing to go after Boldin than Marshall if it's a matter of giving up draft picks.


But yea, if Marshall is a FA, costs us nothing but a contract and they write it up with incentives for him to stay out of trouble or he gives money back. I'm for it.

But seriously, if you are expecting pioli to add a bunch of players with Character issues to this team just to add talent I think you better find a new to cheer for.

SNR
06-14-2009, 10:31 PM
I'd be more willing to go after Boldin than Marshall if it's a matter of giving up draft picks.


But yea, if Marshall is a FA, costs us nothing but a contract and they write it up with incentives for him to stay out of trouble or he gives money back. I'm for it.

But seriously, if you are expecting pioli to add a bunch of players with Character issues to this team just to add talent I think you better find a new to cheer for.He's done it before. Randy Moss?

DeezNutz
06-14-2009, 10:34 PM
At some point we're going to need to shake the Vermeil/Edwards ideal of the no-character-issue team and just add some ****ing talent.

If we had a shot at Brandon Marshall (which we don't), we'd be absolutely ****ing retarded to not at least take that shot. WE WERE 2-14 LAST YEAR. What exactly would be ruined by taking a chance on him?

My Sundays.

Right now we need to focus on replacing Tony G. and maybe Waters if he's traded or released.

We already have Bowe, so a greater priority needs to be placed on TE and G.

SNR
06-14-2009, 10:41 PM
My Sundays.

Right now we need to focus on replacing Tony G. and maybe Waters if he's traded or released.

We already have Bowe, so a greater priority needs to be placed on TE and G.Cassel will be swiss cheese if we get rid of Waters

Nightfyre
06-14-2009, 10:42 PM
My Sundays.

Right now we need to focus on replacing Tony G. and maybe Waters if he's traded or released.

We already have Bowe, so a greater priority needs to be placed on TE and G.
Please tell me this is sarcasm/TIC/facetious/SOMETHING.

-King-
06-14-2009, 10:43 PM
My Sundays.

Right now we need to focus on replacing Tony G. and maybe Waters if he's traded or released.

We already have Bowe, so a greater priority needs to be placed on TE and G.

What are you saying? We can't replace TG with a wr? Why not? Id rather have two good wrs than a good wr and a good TE. Marshall can stretch the field more than tg could. And he's a way better fit in Haley's system.
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DeezNutz
06-14-2009, 10:48 PM
Cassel will be swiss cheese if we get rid of Waters

Exactly.

Unfortunately, we're probably 4 years away from building a decent O-line, since we don't have multiple 1st-round picks in any of the upcoming drafts.

Count Zarth
06-14-2009, 10:50 PM
Unfortunately, we're probably 4 years away from building a decent O-line,

ROFL

I always love it when people put absurd numbers of years in front of stuff....four fuckin' years?

FOUR FUCKIN YEARS?

That is an ETERNITY in NFL time.

SNR
06-14-2009, 10:50 PM
Exactly.

Unfortunately, we're probably 4 years away from building a decent O-line, since we don't have multiple 1st-round picks in any of the upcoming drafts.And this was the draft for offensive linemen. Right when we needed them the most to rebuild this line.

CrazyPhuD
06-14-2009, 10:51 PM
Hey but at least they'll have 56 RBs are their team AND LJ still wouldn't be good enough to start for them!

Valiant
06-14-2009, 10:51 PM
a) Clady is our best player.

b) Marshall isn't getting traded at all.

Better hope not, You do not want your best players to be Olinemen.. See the Chiefs as prior examples..

SNR
06-14-2009, 10:52 PM
ROFL

I always love it when people put absurd numbers of years in front of stuff....four ****in' years?

FOUR ****IN YEARS?

That is an ETERNITY in NFL time.You saw how terrible it was! What they did to Huard and Thigpen. Croyle didn't last 2 games this season.

We NEEDED someone like Eugene Monroe this draft. We didn't take him. And we didn't take Duke Robinson, either. It's like it's Carl all over again!!

DeezNutz
06-14-2009, 10:52 PM
And this was the draft for offensive linemen. Right when we needed them the most to rebuild this line.

Yep. Great point.

My 4-year projection is therefore probably very hopeful. More like 5-6, planning for a bust or classic Pioli contract dispute.

Discuss Thrower
06-15-2009, 12:10 AM
You saw how terrible it was! What they did to Huard and Thigpen. Croyle didn't last 2 games this season.

We NEEDED someone like Eugene Monroe this draft. We didn't take him. And we didn't take Duke Robinson, either. It's like it's Carl all over again!!

Four years to build a line, and by the time that's done it will be time to build a secondary... And half a WR corps... And a running game... And a linebacker cadre... And a front office....

Rausch
06-15-2009, 12:39 AM
Better hope not, You do not want your best players to be Olinemen.. See the Chiefs as prior examples..

Yeah, 'cause when they were we went to the fucking postseason...

Jethopper
06-15-2009, 02:13 AM
Yeah, 'cause when they were we went to the ****ing postseason...

Umm....THIS IS HOW SAD WE HAVE BECOME. SOME OF US THINK JUST MAKING THE POST SEASON IS GOOD. FUCK!

Von Dumbass
06-15-2009, 04:50 AM
Teams won't be willing to give us anywhere near what he is worth. We can't/won't trade him.

Denver should give him a long term deal filled with behavior clauses.

Mile High Mania
06-15-2009, 04:57 AM
Teams won't be willing to give us anywhere near what he is worth. We can't/won't trade him.

Denver should give him a long term deal filled with behavior clauses.

About the only option they have... there are no fewer than 5 young players on this team that are foundation points going forward that need new contracts after 2009. Go ahead and get Brandon a li'l cheaper now on the long-term than after another 100+ catch season.

Von Dumbass
06-15-2009, 05:15 AM
About the only option they have... there are no fewer than 5 young players on this team that are foundation points going forward that need new contracts after 2009. Go ahead and get Brandon a li'l cheaper now on the long-term than after another 100+ catch season.

I wouldn't be upset if he got 8mil a year or whatever the average contract is for a top 10 WR.

Mile High Mania
06-15-2009, 05:26 AM
I wouldn't be upset if he got 8mil a year or whatever the average contract is for a top 10 WR.

If the team can't afford it, they won't pay it... it's not my $, I'm not a season ticket holder and don't live close enough to pay too much for tickets. So, it doesn't matter to me what they pay him.. as long as they do what they can to protect themselves with out clauses.

MagicHef
06-15-2009, 08:22 AM
Just keep telling yourself that, and you will feel just fine.

I don't think you have proof either statement is true.

Of course I don't have proof of either. But remember, Cutler ultimately got traded when he offended Bowlen by refusing to speak to him. Marshall has already met with Bowlen.

Mr. Flopnuts
06-15-2009, 08:30 AM
Of course I don't have proof of either. But remember, Cutler ultimately got traded when he offended Bowlen by refusing to speak to him. Marshall has already met with Bowlen.

Bowlen looks like such a drunk. I wouldn't worry about offending someone who wouldn't remember it 24 hours later.

Mile High Mania
06-15-2009, 08:36 AM
All I can do is sit back and hope for the best... he's not able to practice right now anyway, so from that stand point he's not missing anything. I don't know if he's participating (by being there) in the practices, meetings, etc or not. It would be wise for him to do it... but, it hasn't always been in him to do the wise thing.

If they were to trade him for a pick, and then use a pick to acquire Boldin- that's cool with me. If they deal with his issues, sign him to a new deal, so be it.

The Cutler deal taught me that nothing is impossible and from my seat... there's no reason to get too upset or excited over any of this right now.

Al Bundy
06-15-2009, 08:53 AM
He is one knight most UCF Alums are NOT proud of right now.

The Bad Guy
06-15-2009, 08:55 AM
About the only option they have... there are no fewer than 5 young players on this team that are foundation points going forward that need new contracts after 2009. Go ahead and get Brandon a li'l cheaper now on the long-term than after another 100+ catch season.

If you think that Marshall is pulling in 100 catches with Kyle Orton, then I have oceanfront property in Nebraska to sell you.

SNR
06-15-2009, 09:24 AM
Teams won't be willing to give us anywhere near what he is worth. We can't/won't trade him.

Denver should give him a long term deal filled with behavior clauses.Okay, okay okay. Last offer: Tyler Thigpen and a FOURTH rounder. Last chance. Won't pay a penny more or strike me dead.

Mile High Mania
06-15-2009, 09:35 AM
If you think that Marshall is pulling in 100 catches with Kyle Orton, then I have oceanfront property in Nebraska to sell you.

You guys act as if the guy can't throw a football 10 yards down field... whether he catches 75 or 100, I don't care...

RippedmyFlesh
06-15-2009, 10:51 AM
I've never in my life seen an off-season go so bad for a franchsie. You could relocate the Broncos to Mexico and that would still be a better offseason than the one they are having right now.

Long live McDaniels.
Or oakland

MagicHef
06-15-2009, 10:56 AM
Or oakland

That's taking things a bit far, don't you think?

Count Zarth
06-15-2009, 11:18 AM
All I can do is sit back and hope for the best... he's not able to practice right now anyway, so from that stand point he's not missing anything. I don't know if he's participating (by being there) in the practices, meetings, etc or not. It would be wise for him to do it... but, it hasn't always been in him to do the wise thing.

If they were to trade him for a pick, and then use a pick to acquire Boldin- that's cool with me. If they deal with his issues, sign him to a new deal, so be it.

The Cutler deal taught me that nothing is impossible and from my seat... there's no reason to get too upset or excited over any of this right now.

This will all blow over!

Mile High Mania
06-15-2009, 11:20 AM
This will all blow over!

Possibly

DeezNutz
06-15-2009, 03:47 PM
This will all blow over!

Reminds me of my first sexual experience...

Ah, wait. I yelled, "It's going to blow all over."

My bad.

Just Passin' By
06-15-2009, 03:59 PM
Teams won't be willing to give us anywhere near what he is worth. We can't/won't trade him.

Denver should give him a long term deal filled with behavior clauses.

In a Monday morning segment with 850 KOA in Denver, Schefter said that Marshall asked owner Pat Bowlen to be traded during their Friday meeting.

Per Schefter, Marshall told Bowlen, I think Id like to be traded. Schefter said that Bowlen asked Marshall to take some time to consider whether he wants a new contract or a trade, and that Marshall is expected to stick to his guns.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/15/schefter-brandon-marshall-asked-to-be-traded/

Those high maintenance players in Denver don't like to be treated with anything but velvet and silk gloves, apparently.

Long Duk Dong
06-15-2009, 04:55 PM
Best offseason EVA!! ROFL

Valiant
06-15-2009, 05:06 PM
Yeah, 'cause when they were we went to the ****ing postseason...

And that is all you will get out of it too, a playoff appearance.. No championships..

LaChapelle
06-15-2009, 05:14 PM
People bitch about LJ, but want Marshall? The trouble overrides the talent in this case.

Easy 6
06-15-2009, 06:59 PM
For every great play this guy makes, he steps on his dick twice...be it on or off the field.

Keep him the hell outta KC.

Mr. Laz
06-15-2009, 07:37 PM
The pain of the donkey nation has made this offseason a little more bearable.

milkman
06-15-2009, 08:57 PM
The pain of the donkey nation has made this offseason a little more bearable.

Where the hell have you been?

OnTheWarpath58
06-15-2009, 09:01 PM
The pain of the donkey nation has made this offseason a little more bearable.

Where the hell have you been?

Esto.

Buehler445
06-15-2009, 10:00 PM
The pain of the donkey nation has made this offseason a little more bearable.

Where the hell have you been?

This. Glad to see you buddy.