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irishjayhawk
06-14-2009, 07:36 PM
Some amazing stuff coming from on the ground students, protesters, etc.

Dallas Chief
06-14-2009, 07:42 PM
Some amazing stuff coming from on the ground students, protesters, etc.

Got a link(s)???

irishjayhawk
06-14-2009, 07:43 PM
Got a link(s)???

https://twitter.com/Change_for_Iran
https://twitter.com/persiankiwi
https://twitter.com/iran09
http://twitter.com/madyar

NewChief
06-14-2009, 07:50 PM
Andrew Sullivan gushed on role of twitter in this "revolt."
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/the-revolution-will-be-twittered-1.html

Dallas Chief
06-15-2009, 12:15 AM
Thanks for the links!:thumb:

Reaper16
06-15-2009, 12:37 AM
RT @MitchBenn (http://twitter.com/MitchBenn) EVERYBODY re-tweet: @persiankiwi (http://twitter.com/persiankiwi): I am accessing twitter from 148.233.239.24 Port:80 in tehran. you can avoid gov filters

Direckshun
06-15-2009, 12:58 AM
I've been following it on Sullivan.

WoodDraw
06-15-2009, 01:18 AM
I've been following it on Sullivan.

Me too. Plus a couple of the blogs he's been linking to. Sullivan has done a great job.


This should be a bipartisan thing we should all enjoy following here in DC. I hope the Iran reformists can keep this up. This is cool stuff.

Direckshun
06-15-2009, 01:23 AM
I don't know if enjoy and cool are the verbs and adjectives I'd use, but I get your point.

BigRedChief
06-15-2009, 07:38 AM
Very cool to watch history unfold live. Watched some camera video of the riot at the university one hour after it happened and they went home and loaded it up to the internet.

irishjayhawk
06-15-2009, 07:32 PM
Twitter announced it has postponed scheduled maintenance until tomorrow in light of how Twitter is used to communicate in Iran.

bango
06-15-2009, 08:22 PM
I am too busy following it on Myspace, and Facebook right now.

memyselfI
06-15-2009, 08:49 PM
Yep. The MSM monopoly has officially ended.

memyselfI
06-15-2009, 08:51 PM
https://twitter.com/#search?q=%23IranElection
https://twitter.com/#search?q=%22Functioning%20Iran%22

RJ
06-15-2009, 09:29 PM
This should be a bipartisan thing we should all enjoy following here in DC..


That's funny. I've been enjoying watching this forum turn it into a decidedly partisan thing. It's comical and puzzling at the same time.

WoodDraw
06-15-2009, 10:16 PM
I don't know if enjoy and cool are the verbs and adjectives I'd use, but I get your point.

Yeah, I don't mean cool as let's go check out that accident down the road. But there is something exciting about watching this happen live.

I don't want to create an echo chamber here. For all we know, this could end over the next few days.

petegz28
06-15-2009, 10:19 PM
Yeah, I don't mean cool as let's go check out that accident down the road. But there is something exciting about watching this happen live.

I don't want to create an echo chamber here. For all we know, this could end over the next few days.

It will be over. The protests will be put down and Ahmenutjob will be the leader.

|Zach|
06-15-2009, 10:24 PM
shahriar RT @persiankiwi: reliable source - many arrested taken to Evin in past 24hrs - evin under heavy protection


Evin Prison (Persian: زندان اوین) is a prison in Iran, located in northwestern Tehran. [1] It is noted for its political prisoners' wing, where prisoners have been held both before and after the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

patteeu
06-16-2009, 08:53 AM
It will be over. The protests will be put down and Ahmenutjob will be the leader.

Hopefully not, but probably.

BigRedChief
06-16-2009, 09:31 AM
Hopefully not, but probably.
On this we can agree.

Iowanian
06-16-2009, 11:39 AM
I'm waiting for the fires to get big enough to view from space.

FishingRod
06-16-2009, 11:54 AM
On this we can agree.

Yeah me too but I never thought I will see the Berlin wall getting knocked down. What a beautiful day that was.

I wonder what percentage of their population knows that President Truman threatened the Soviet Union with Atomic weapons to get them to leave Iran after WWII. Probably not many.

Frankie
06-16-2009, 12:33 PM
A Persian satirist's view in the midst of Iranian post-election chaos:

http://www.roozonline.com/persian/tanssatire/tans-satire-article/article/2009/june/16//-ee9ba4d41d.html

They stole our vote and they're now showing off with it.
By Ebrahim Nabavi
e.nabavi(at)roozonline.com
Translated by Nick Pendar

A miracle is a good thing, and it just so happens that miracles take place in the Iranian political life three times a week, 56 weeks a year, and 37 days a month. The most recent election, which led to Ahmadinejad’s landslide victory with people’s majority vote to Mir Houssei Mousavi, was one of these miracles. Let’s consider some of its properties.

1. One month before the election the results of the election were exactly predicted by the president’s friend. Hamid Rasaa’i [head of the Department of Culture and Islamic Guidance of Qom Province] a month ago said that in the next month’s election Ahmadinejad would take 24 million votes and Mousavi 12 million. The Interior Minister underwent a lot trouble to realize this miracle.

2. Since two weeks before the election thirty million people from all cities took to the streets in support of one candidate, but twelve million of them voted for him on the election day.

3. One day before the election, the “24 million vote” president took military control of all cities, and SMS communication was cut off.

4. Five hours before the election ended, the counts for votes that had not been cast yet was known and posted on pro-government Web sites. Two hours before the election ended the candidates were placed under surveillance.

5. Three hours before the elections ended, the president who had won with a 12 million vote margin arrested the supporters of the losing candidate so they really understand how badly they were losing.

6. The election finished two hours before it ended, and because the Islamic Republic had great interest in people’s further participation, it stopped the election as people were waiting in line to vote so it didn’t have to take too much pride in people’s presence.

7. An hour before the election ended, the counts of the votes for each candidate was known, and the Interior Ministry was careful not to change the candidates’ relative vote distribution so people would not mistakenly think that the votes were not rigged.

8. The number of the supporters of the “24 million vote” president at his victory celebration on Vali-e Asr Square was hardly half a million, but the number of Mousavi’s supporters, who had 12 million votes, was three million at his rally.

9. The supreme and hasty Leader of the Revolution [Khamenei] congratulated the president’s victory before the election results were validated. Then a day later, the Guardian Council announced that it would take ten days to validate the results.

10. The number of Mr. Karroubi’s votes was smaller than the number of his staff.

11. One of the biggest miracles in this election was that, according to Interior Ministry’s statistics, the population of Iran is 102% of itself.

12. The government decided to utilize 300,000 military personnel to count the votes, but since these personnel know how to beat people up much better than they know how to count, the Interior Minister announced the results, then used those same 300,000 people to prove the correctness of the counts with their batons and tear gas.

The moral of the story: Those who lie, also cheat.

Practical conclusion: There are three ways to count people’s votes: with computers, with hands, with sticks.

Political conclusion: People are good as long as you don’t count them.

Radar Chief
06-16-2009, 12:46 PM
Yeah me too but I never thought I will see the Berlin wall getting knocked down. What a beautiful day that was.

That brings back memories. I was at home on leave before shipping out to Germany when that started breaking on the news.

FishingRod
06-16-2009, 01:00 PM
That brings back memories. I was at home on leave before shipping out to Germany when that started breaking on the news.

Absolutely one of the most amazing things I have ever seen. Usually something that sticks with you for so long is a tragedy instead of something good. It might take friendly Aliens from another planet to top that one. The end of Gulf war 1 coming so quickly with so little loss of "our guys" was a pretty good day also.

Frankie
06-16-2009, 01:06 PM
Here's a very good link for keeping up with things related to the topic:

http://niacblog.wordpress.com/

Ultra Peanut
06-16-2009, 01:11 PM
This is pretty much bizarre.

Ultra Peanut
06-16-2009, 02:41 PM
They're doing this again tonight:

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Frankie
06-16-2009, 02:52 PM
They're doing this again tonight:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0-JeE5He35U&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0-JeE5He35U&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Tonight is right now over there (CDT+9.5hrs). The rooftop chant you hear there is "DEATH TO THE DICTATOR."

BucEyedPea
06-16-2009, 03:26 PM
I wonder what would be happening to those shouting folks if they did that in Egypt or Saudi Arabia?
Ya' know our allies.

Frankie
06-16-2009, 03:47 PM
I thought I'd share this pic because I find it very expressive and cool:

http://tehrandaily.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/iranian_protest_election_results_40.jpg

YOU GO GIRL!!

BucEyedPea
06-16-2009, 03:56 PM
Great picture Fankie. I like that one a lot too.

Frankie
06-16-2009, 04:18 PM
Great picture Fankie. I like that one a lot too.

For the time being, it's my desktop background.

Baby Lee
06-16-2009, 05:00 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idUSWBT01137420090616

irishjayhawk
06-16-2009, 08:11 PM
Now the piratebay has entered the fray offering a free forum for Iranian expression in addition to twitter.

iran.whyweprotest.com

BucEyedPea
06-16-2009, 08:14 PM
For the time being, it's my desktop background.

I have her in my avy.

BucEyedPea
06-16-2009, 08:20 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idUSWBT01137420090616

Thanks for that link. Nice! I don't think that constitutes interference at all. They worked with twitter to allow what's already being done. They didn't force twitter to do anything. They made a request. That's different.

WoodDraw
06-16-2009, 08:42 PM
I think today will be a big day for the Iran protestors. A couple days have gone by since the vote; will they be able to keep momentum up?

All foreign media has been kicked out now, so they're really is no way to follow this other than twitter, youtube, and the like.

morphius
06-16-2009, 08:43 PM
I thought I'd share this pic because I find it very expressive and cool:

http://tehrandaily.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/iranian_protest_election_results_40.jpg

YOU GO GIRL!!
She is not a crook?

Frankie
06-17-2009, 09:53 AM
LOOK OUT!..... GRANNY HITS THE STREETS!

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_WX22q6NMBPM/SjUwcbBI_qI/AAAAAAAAEKo/xXyXVW6sEZE/s512/4585207.jpg

Mr. Flopnuts
06-17-2009, 09:55 AM
LOOK OUT!..... GRANNY HITS THE STREETS!

Awesome!!! I hope the Iranians keep this up. I don't want to see them become complacent. This is empowering just to watch.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 10:00 AM
Awesome!!! I hope the Iranians keep this up. I don't want to see them become complacent. This is empowering just to watch.

Most likely it will be squashed. But not before it shakes the roots of the tree.

HonestChieffan
06-17-2009, 10:05 AM
Israel ought to make their move while the country is in a mess. Get it done and go home. No way is Obama going to step up to help the people there.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 10:07 AM
Israel ought to make their move while the country is in a mess. Get it done and go home. No way is Obama going to step up to help the people there.
Is Israel your country? Or is it the US? For the US what you are saying is THE worst scenarion.:shake:

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2009, 10:14 AM
Awesome!!! I hope the Iranians keep this up. I don't want to see them become complacent. This is empowering just to watch.

It is, but what if AMenanaaajenhad actually did win and this is all a bunch of kids lashing out because they didn't get their way?

HonestChieffan
06-17-2009, 10:16 AM
Awesome!!! I hope the Iranians keep this up. I don't want to see them become complacent. This is empowering just to watch.

Thats what the Kurds thought right before Saddam hit the gas button.

irishjayhawk
06-17-2009, 10:26 AM
It is, but what if AMenanaaajenhad actually did win and this is all a bunch of kids lashing out because they didn't get their way?

I consider any revolution that attempts to at least rattle a theocracy if not attempt to outright dismantle it a worthy cause.

Mr. Flopnuts
06-17-2009, 10:29 AM
It is, but what if AMenanaaajenhad actually did win and this is all a bunch of kids lashing out because they didn't get their way?

Well, if that's the case then they deserve whatever they get. But I highly doubt that he won fairly. I mean, the majority of that country is people in their 30's that want every bit of everything we have. Why would they want the status quo to help them accomplish that? I just don't buy it.

PunkinDrublic
06-17-2009, 10:30 AM
I consider any revolution that attempts to at least rattle a theocracy if not attempt to outright dismantle it a worthy cause.

This

I'm so glad we don't have a moronic neocon president making stupid comments and giving the hardliners ammunition to rally around. Anybody see Mccains clueless ass had to say?

Mr. Flopnuts
06-17-2009, 10:30 AM
Thats what the Kurds thought right before Saddam hit the gas button.

I always thought your posts were part schtick. I'm starting to wonder if you are a genuinely scared man constantly worried about someone hurting your family. I don't know if you knew this or not, but the only guarantee we have in this life is that no one is getting out alive. Enjoy your stay while you're here.

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2009, 10:33 AM
This

I'm so glad we don't have a moronic neocon president making stupid comments and giving the hardliners ammunition to rally around. Anybody see Mccains clueless ass had to say?

Have you stopped to consider that this is a result of our work in Iraq? I mean in Iraq, while not perfect, they are having free and honest republic elections. That can't help the grip the Eye-o-tola has on his populace. If the Iranian people are able to turn the tide, I think you'll have to give this country and it's policies due credit.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 10:38 AM
I always thought your posts were part schtick. I'm starting to wonder if you are a genuinely scared man constantly worried about someone hurting your family. I don't know if you knew this or not, but the only guarantee we have in this life is that no one is getting out alive. Enjoy your stay while you're here.

:bravo:

Frankie
06-17-2009, 10:39 AM
Have you stopped to consider that this is a result of our work in Iraq?

:LOL: I'm sorry GB, but that's laughable.

HonestChieffan
06-17-2009, 10:46 AM
I always thought your posts were part schtick. I'm starting to wonder if you are a genuinely scared man constantly worried about someone hurting your family. I don't know if you knew this or not, but the only guarantee we have in this life is that no one is getting out alive. Enjoy your stay while you're here.

Do you not see a similarity in these two situations? I mean be real here. Saddam hit the Kurds with gas and murdered thousands of people to stop any effort by them to unseat him or to weaken his hold in Iraq. I assume you recall that and are not one of the people who think that was cooked up by Bush.

Dont you see that Akmanutjob will have to do something to stop the protests? And do you think he is not capable of almost anything to maintain his power and position?

Mr. Flopnuts
06-17-2009, 10:52 AM
Do you not see a similarity in these two situations? I mean be real here. Saddam hit the Kurds with gas and murdered thousands of people to stop any effort by them to unseat him or to weaken his hold in Iraq. I assume you recall that and are not one of the people who think that was cooked up by Bush.

Dont you see that Akmanutjob will have to do something to stop the protests? And do you think he is not capable of almost anything to maintain his power and position?

I would gladly lay down my life so that future generations of MY people would have a better chance of living free. I'm not trying to judge you, or anything like that. Even though we frequently disagree, I don't think you're out to cause anyone pain. And that's really all that matters to me. I'm just saying life is short, make it meaningful regardless of the cost.

PunkinDrublic
06-17-2009, 10:53 AM
Have you stopped to consider that this is a result of our work in Iraq? I mean in Iraq, while not perfect, they are having free and honest republic elections. That can't help the grip the Eye-o-tola has on his populace. If the Iranian people are able to turn the tide, I think you'll have to give this country and it's policies due credit.

You have to be pretty stupid to believe the current Iraqi elections are free and honest. If it was a result of our occupation of Iraq then a hardliner wouldn't have been elected in 2005.

Mr. Flopnuts
06-17-2009, 10:53 AM
I guess what I'm trying to say is you can't stop a tyrant if you never even try. We can't say that we're sick of policing the rest of the world, while at the same time saying they shouldn't try to police themselves. Let them fight for their freedom. I admire their actions, and believe they know the potential cost.

irishjayhawk
06-17-2009, 10:56 AM
Latest tidbit re pro-gov camp's schenanigans (Photoshopped rally to appear larger):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2458/3635554738_a4b212f45f.jpg?v=0

Then there's this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2009/jun/17/iran-uprising
Robert Tait reports that a centrist website has found that voter turnout in at least 30 towns exceeded 100%.

In the most specific allegations of rigging yet to emerge, the centrist Ayandeh website – which stayed neutral during the campaign – reported that 26 provinces across the country showed participation figures so high they were either hitherto unheard of in democratic elections or in excess of the number of registered electors.

Taft, a town in the central province of Yazd, had a turnout of 141%, the site said, quoting an unnamed "political expert". Kouhrang, in Chahar Mahaal Bakhtiari province, recorded a 132% turnout while Chadegan, in Isfahan province, had 120%.

And then, it gets better:
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5534/fakep.jpg

HonestChieffan
06-17-2009, 10:57 AM
You have to be pretty stupid to believe the current Iraqi elections are free and honest. If it was a result of our occupation of Iraq then a hardliner wouldn't have been elected in 2005.

When you have a moment, let me know what Iraq and the elections there have to do with Iran today.

PunkinDrublic
06-17-2009, 10:59 AM
When you have a moment, let me know what Iraq and the elections there have to do with Iran today.

Garcia brought it up.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 11:13 AM
This is very very interesting. It's a news conference conducted by the Internationally respected Iranian filmmaker "Mohsen Makhmalbaf" and the author of the book "Persepolis" (and a producer of the movie) Marjaneh Satrapi. MM (who has inside access to all this) speaks in Farsi and Satrapi reads it's English translation and then continues with her own messge. Very telling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7fiBxU8wEU

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2009, 11:32 AM
:LOL: I'm sorry GB, but that's laughable.

How so? We have brought a republic to the their neighbor. I find it hard to believe the Iranians don't understand this and want it. The demonstrations going on there now tell us it IS what they want. So it isn't laughable and it's something the requires consideration.

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2009, 11:33 AM
You have to be pretty stupid to believe the current Iraqi elections are free and honest. If it was a result of our occupation of Iraq then a hardliner wouldn't have been elected in 2005.

It doesn't matter who gets elected provided the people feel that the elections are honest and transparent. Something that does happen in Iraq and something that apparently does NOT happen in Iran.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 11:56 AM
How so? We have brought a republic to the their neighbor. I find it hard to believe the Iranians don't understand this and want it. The demonstrations going on there now tell us it IS what they want. So it isn't laughable and it's something the requires consideration.

Iran allready HAS a republic. Had it since 1979. Iranians* have always been politically savvy and well familiar with concepts like democracy. It's not the play. It's the excecution. Uprisings happen when the abuse of people's rights finally reaches explosive intolerability. Having talked to family and friends back there I have known that this has been building up for years. Especially the last 4. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the Iraq invasion.

(* In my posts when I say Iranians I mean the middle class Iranians. Because IMO the middle class is the backbone of a society and most representative of it.)

PunkinDrublic
06-17-2009, 12:09 PM
It doesn't matter who gets elected provided the people feel that the elections are honest and transparent. Something that does happen in Iraq and something that apparently does NOT happen in Iran.

The current Iraqi government is always going to be seen as a puppet regime of the U.S.

irishjayhawk
06-17-2009, 01:09 PM
Iran allready HAS a republic. Had it since 1979. Iranians* have always been politically savvy and well familiar with concepts like democracy. It's not the play. It's the excecution. Uprisings happen when the abuse of people's rights finally reaches explosive intolerability. Having talked to family and friends back there I have known that this has been building up for years. Especially the last 4. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the Iraq invasion.

(* In my posts when I say Iranians I mean the middle class Iranians. Because IMO the middle class is the backbone of a society and most representative of it.)

One might argue that they merely have a facade of a Republic and instead have merely a dictatorship.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 01:32 PM
One might argue that they merely have a facade of a Republic and instead have merely a dictatorship.

I was saying what's on paper a fact. In reality what you are saying is true.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 01:40 PM
Sidenote, FWIW: Iran is the 3rd largest blogging country in the world (I didn't know that). Interesting quicky piece of video here. http://vimeo.com/2139754

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2009, 01:58 PM
Iran allready HAS a republic. Had it since 1979. Iranians* have always been politically savvy and well familiar with concepts like democracy. It's not the play. It's the excecution. Uprisings happen when the abuse of people's rights finally reaches explosive intolerability. Having talked to family and friends back there I have known that this has been building up for years. Especially the last 4. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the Iraq invasion.

(* In my posts when I say Iranians I mean the middle class Iranians. Because IMO the middle class is the backbone of a society and most representative of it.)

Regardless, Iraq is having elections and they are transparent. Iran can't claim that under a dictator.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 02:05 PM
Regardless, Iraq is having elections and they are transparent. Iran can't claim that under a dictator.

But your assertion that Iranians have learned to value their vote from happennings in Iraq is totally wrong.

Iowanian
06-17-2009, 02:37 PM
Iranian govt officials apparently feel like the US is "meddling" and that we should stay out of it.

I agree, we should stay out of it the same way Iran has Iraq......and send EFPs and IEDs and Agents into their country to provide assistance to those fighting against Abberjabberjihad.

BigRedChief
06-17-2009, 02:46 PM
Iranian govt officials apparently feel like the US is "meddling" and that we should stay out of it.

I agree, we should stay out of it the same way Iran has Iraq......and send EFPs and IEDs and Agents into their country to provide assistance to those fighting against Abberjabberjihad.
Yeah that worked so well last time...:doh!:

mlyonsd
06-17-2009, 03:17 PM
Tomorrow could be interesting. Mousavi is going against the Supreme Leader dude and calling for a mass demonstration Thursday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526829,00.html

Frankie
06-17-2009, 03:18 PM
Iranian govt officials apparently feel like the US is "meddling" and that we should stay out of it.

The usual convenient excuse.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 03:26 PM
More pix:

patteeu
06-17-2009, 03:29 PM
This

I'm so glad we don't have a moronic neocon president making stupid comments and giving the hardliners ammunition to rally around. Anybody see Mccains clueless ass had to say?

Thank goodness we have a lame neolib president who stands by and watches as a freedom movement in Iran withers away while he and his advisors try to think of ways to abandon israel and explain why it's OK for the ayatollahs to have nukes.

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2009, 03:29 PM
But your assertion that Iranians have learned to value their vote from happennings in Iraq is totally wrong.

I didn't say that. But as it's become evident they aren't getting a fair shake, and right next door they are....well Gosh...it can't help.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 03:35 PM
still more:

patteeu
06-17-2009, 03:36 PM
Iran allready HAS a republic. Had it since 1979. Iranians* have always been politically savvy and well familiar with concepts like democracy. It's not the play. It's the excecution. Uprisings happen when the abuse of people's rights finally reaches explosive intolerability. Having talked to family and friends back there I have known that this has been building up for years. Especially the last 4. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the Iraq invasion.

(* In my posts when I say Iranians I mean the middle class Iranians. Because IMO the middle class is the backbone of a society and most representative of it.)

Hmmm. 4 years, you say? The first free Iraqi elections in the last 50+ years happened a little less than 4 1/2 years ago in January 2005 (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/First_free_Iraqi_election_begins%3B_insurgents_strike).

Maybe it's just a complete coincidence. OTOH, maybe it's not completely preposterous to believe that Iraqi elections have had *some* impact.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 03:39 PM
more still:

FAX
06-17-2009, 03:42 PM
I pray to God that the Iranian people won't suffer too many casualties and that their efforts will succeed. This is a very important moment in history.

FAX

Frankie
06-17-2009, 03:43 PM
This is the last posting of these new pix that I have received (Warning: the very last one is sick)

PunkinDrublic
06-17-2009, 03:47 PM
Hmmm. 4 years, you say? The first free Iraqi elections in the last 50+ years happened a little less than 4 1/2 years ago in January 2005 (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/First_free_Iraqi_election_begins%3B_insurgents_strike).

Maybe it's just a complete coincidence. OTOH, maybe it's not completely preposterous to believe that Iraqi elections have had *some* impact.

The Iraqi elections weren't free elections. The perception is that the Iraqi government is a puppet of the U.S government.

FAX
06-17-2009, 03:54 PM
Here's a very good link for keeping up with things related to the topic:

http://niacblog.wordpress.com/

Great resource. Thanks, Mr. Frankie.

FAX

patteeu
06-17-2009, 03:56 PM
The Iraqi elections weren't free elections. The perception is that the Iraqi government is a puppet of the U.S government.

Yes they were. I don't care what your perception was.

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2009, 04:05 PM
The Iraqi elections weren't free elections. The perception is that the Iraqi government is a puppet of the U.S government.

You mean your perception is that.


Now...if the Iraqi Republic is functioning and helping the Iranian population realize they have been duped..who would we thank for that?

Frankie
06-17-2009, 04:30 PM
You mean your perception is that.


Now...if the Iraqi Republic is functioning and helping the Iranian population realize they have been duped..who would we thank for that?

IRANIAN PEOPLE KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN DUPED. They didn't get ANY inspiorations from Iraq. trust me.

PunkinDrublic
06-17-2009, 04:37 PM
Yes they were. I don't care what your perception was.

Their candidates were U.S government approved candidates. It was a sham of an election and it certainly wasn't a free election.

patteeu
06-17-2009, 04:49 PM
Their candidates were U.S government approved candidates. It was a sham of an election and it certainly wasn't a free election.

In what sense were the candidate's "U.S government approved"? If the elections were a sham designed by the US, why did they let parties like National Independent Cadres and Elites who were backed by Muqtada al-Sadr and the Madhi Army present candidates? I think you've either been deceived or you have no sense of perspective.

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2009, 04:51 PM
In what sense were the candidate's "U.S government approved"? If the elections were a sham designed by the US, why did they let parties like National Independent Cadres and Elites who were backed by Muqtada al-Sadr and the Madhi Army present candidates? I think you've either been deceived or you have no sense of perspective.

Plus the elections were monitored by the UN.

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2009, 04:52 PM
IRANIAN PEOPLE KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN DUPED. They didn't get ANY inspiorations from Iraq. trust me.

I don't trust you on this topic. I think it deserves honest discussion.

irishjayhawk
06-17-2009, 05:12 PM
Thank goodness we have a lame neolib president who stands by and watches as a freedom movement in Iran withers away while he and his advisors try to think of ways to abandon israel and explain why it's OK for the ayatollahs to have nukes.

I'm fine with abandoning Israel. It's about time. Even though we both know it won't happen.

As for ayatollahs and nukes, I'm pretty much against countries having nukes but I see no reason why we should be allowed to have nukes and yet others cannot.

Calcountry
06-17-2009, 06:02 PM
The usual convenient excuse.It is the one Barack Obama is using, and he's stickin with it.

Calcountry
06-17-2009, 06:05 PM
In what sense were the candidate's "U.S government approved"? If the elections were a sham designed by the US, why did they let parties like National Independent Cadres and Elites who were backed by Muqtada al-Sadr and the Madhi Army present candidates? I think you've either been deceived or you have no sense of perspective.They happened when Bush was president.

That is all you need to know to answer the question.

BucEyedPea
06-17-2009, 06:16 PM
Maybe it's just a complete coincidence. OTOH, maybe it's not completely preposterous to believe that Iraqi elections have had *some* impact.

Why would it? It's a Shia govt that's enforcing Sharia Law including enforcing the strict dress code. Even Christians have been harassed. The Shi'a govt of Iraq is supported by the mullahs of Iran.
They also have torture chambers too.

irishjayhawk
06-17-2009, 06:17 PM
From a known Iran twitterer:

I like @BarakObama & I think he h/done the RIGHT thing, that's like how #Mousavi is telling #GR88 what 2do; with Silence! #IranEleciton

Frankie
06-17-2009, 08:41 PM
It is the one Barack Obama is using, and he's stickin with it.

You totally misunderstood my point.

Frankie
06-17-2009, 08:46 PM
I'm waiting for the fires to get big enough to view from space.

Here you go:

Saul Good
06-17-2009, 09:14 PM
Here you go:

A bonfire of burning brush in the middle of a desert?

Frankie
06-17-2009, 09:30 PM
A bonfire of burning brush in the middle of a desert?

In the shape of Iran's map.
http://www.solarpaces.org/_Libary/map-iran.jpg

memyselfI
06-17-2009, 09:31 PM
Outstanding compilation of links here:

http://iran.whyweprotest.net/showthread.php?t=61

Saul Good
06-17-2009, 09:39 PM
In the shape of Iran's map.
http://www.solarpaces.org/_Libary/map-iran.jpg

Interesting. I never realized that Iran was shaped like a brush fire before.

Frankie
06-18-2009, 08:30 AM
Interesting. I never realized that Iran was shaped like a brush fire before.

LOL. The brush fire has been Photoshoped to that shape. But I'm sure you knew that.

BTW, some say Iran is shaped like a sitting Persian cat with arched back and the ears.

HonestChieffan
06-18-2009, 08:31 AM
Shaped more like a semi crushed Amish hat. But thats just me i guess. Ive seen metal buckets that have been run over that look similar.

Frankie
06-18-2009, 08:44 AM
Shaped more like a semi crushed Amish hat.

Also like a UFO coming to sweep you up for horrific medical tests. :p

HonestChieffan
06-18-2009, 08:53 AM
Also like a UFO coming to sweep you up for horrific medical tests. :p

Damn thats not funny. They got two of my neighbors and bled out three calves last summer. The ship was camo...looked like a 72 chevy half ton and had a Mizzou bumper sticker.

Be afraid.

patteeu
06-18-2009, 09:11 AM
BTW, some say Iran is shaped like a sitting Persian cat with arched back and the ears.

That's not really what they mean when they call Iran a pussy nation. ;)

Frankie
06-19-2009, 07:56 AM
KHAMENEI COMES OUT AGAINST THE PROTESTERS STERNLY:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090619/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_election

This will be ugly!

mlyonsd
06-19-2009, 08:00 AM
KHAMENEI COMES OUT AGAINST THE PROTESTERS STERNLY:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090619/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_election

This will be ugly!

Do you agree now with the Axis of Evil label? I'm not talking about the guy in the voting booth, I'm talking about the fake puppet elections and control really belonging to an unelected person?

patteeu
06-19-2009, 08:45 AM
Do you agree now with the Axis of Evil label? I'm not talking about the guy in the voting booth, I'm talking about the fake puppet elections and control really belonging to an unelected person?

Good question.

BucEyedPea
06-19-2009, 09:06 AM
Good question.

Well, then the axis needs to include some of our staunchest allies: EGYPT and SAUDI ARABIA...not to mention Georgia. That's not a valid argument. What goes on in those countries is NONE or our business.

BTW Pat, Paleo-Con Paul Craig Roberts thinks these protests have a covert CIA tinge to them. Some over at Lew's make a case that the lefty Nat'l Endowment of Democracy is involved too. Just like the Orange one in the Ukraine.
Millions of our tax dollars have been used to foment in Iran. http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/027782.html

The Robert's editorial:http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts269.html

Just thought it was an interesting angle.

irishjayhawk
06-19-2009, 09:47 AM
KHAMENEI COMES OUT AGAINST THE PROTESTERS STERNLY:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090619/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_election

This will be ugly!

It sounds like this could be the end of it. I very much hope not.

Frankie
06-19-2009, 11:53 AM
Do you agree now with the Axis of Evil label? I'm not talking about the guy in the voting booth, I'm talking about the fake puppet elections and control really belonging to an unelected person?

ARE YOU KIDDING?!!

Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech was late January of 2002. At that time Khatami (a moderate/reformist) was president in Iran. His government had already made offers of assistance to the U.S. in the aftermath of 9-11. What does the great politician Georgie Bush do with all that opportunity? He smacks Iranians in the mouth with his idiotic saber swinging.

Iranian PEOPLE took that very personally. That was one of the reasons that Ahmadinejad and the rest of the hardliners were voted in come the next election.

Frankie
06-19-2009, 11:54 AM
It sounds like this could be the end of it. I very much hope not.

A big rally is planned for tomorrow.

Frankie
06-19-2009, 12:10 PM
How the election was stolen (pretty interesting)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCF3d-8AAtU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnce_-DEGZo&feature=channel

Ultra Peanut
06-19-2009, 12:33 PM
ARE YOU KIDDING?!!

Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech was late January of 2002. At that time Khatami (a moderate/reformist) was president in Iran. His government had already made offers of assistance to the U.S. in the aftermath of 9-11. What does the great politician Georgie Bush do with all that opportunity? He smacks Iranians in the mouth with his idiotic saber swinging.

Iranian PEOPLE took that very personally. That was one of the reasons that Ahmadinejad and the rest of the hardliners were voted in come the next election. We step in, Iran gets more extreme. Hmm, it's almost like we should take a hint or something.

mlyonsd
06-19-2009, 01:46 PM
ARE YOU KIDDING?!!

Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech was late January of 2002. At that time Khatami (a moderate/reformist) was president in Iran. His government had already made offers of assistance to the U.S. in the aftermath of 9-11. What does the great politician Georgie Bush do with all that opportunity? He smacks Iranians in the mouth with his idiotic saber swinging.

Iranian PEOPLE took that very personally. That was one of the reasons that Ahmadinejad and the rest of the hardliners were voted in come the next election.

Yea, I was afraid you weren't going to face reality. I'll check again after the guy that's been in charge since 19freaking89 kills some more protesters.

mlyonsd
06-19-2009, 01:46 PM
We step in, Iran gets more extreme. Hmm, it's almost like we should take a hint or something.

Who said anything about us stepping in?

patteeu
06-19-2009, 02:24 PM
BTW Pat, Paleo-Con Paul Craig Roberts thinks these protests have a covert CIA tinge to them. Some over at Lew's make a case that the lefty Nat'l Endowment of Democracy is involved too. Just like the Orange one in the Ukraine.
Millions of our tax dollars have been used to foment in Iran. http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/027782.html

The Robert's editorial:http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts269.html

Just thought it was an interesting angle.

I said a couple of times in other threads that it wouldn't surprise me if this were the case.

patteeu
06-19-2009, 02:24 PM
ARE YOU KIDDING?!!

Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech was late January of 2002. At that time Khatami (a moderate/reformist) was president in Iran. His government had already made offers of assistance to the U.S. in the aftermath of 9-11. What does the great politician Georgie Bush do with all that opportunity? He smacks Iranians in the mouth with his idiotic saber swinging.

Iranian PEOPLE took that very personally. That was one of the reasons that Ahmadinejad and the rest of the hardliners were voted in come the next election.

If that's the case, Iranian people must be pretty stupid.

Frankie
06-19-2009, 02:30 PM
Yea, I was afraid you weren't going to face reality. I'll check again after the guy that's been in charge since 19freaking89 kills some more protesters.

I gave you reality and the history to back it up. It seems to me it's you and not me who's looking away from it.

Frankie
06-19-2009, 09:21 PM
VENEZUELA SUPPORTS THE IRANIAN.....
wait I'm not sure which side they are supporting!

irishjayhawk
06-19-2009, 11:11 PM
Looks like today is do or die.

I'm hoping the peaceful protests continue. I hope people don't concede defeat and see armed guards and decide not to go out.

Ultra Peanut
06-20-2009, 09:55 AM
Apparently, they did a good job of cracking down on the protests to prevent them from happening, but the problem is that Tehran has gone berserk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGcSU7FcgQw

@TehranBureau: From Tehran: they're killing people here

@madyar: today Several people have been killed in streets of Tehran #iranelection

@oxfordgirl: Basij in EVERY square in Tehran. #iranElection #gr8

irishjayhawk
06-20-2009, 11:09 AM
Apparently, they did a good job of cracking down on the protests to prevent them from happening, but the problem is that Tehran has gone berserk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGcSU7FcgQw

@TehranBureau: From Tehran: they're killing people here

@madyar: today Several people have been killed in streets of Tehran #iranelection

@oxfordgirl: Basij in EVERY square in Tehran. #iranElection #gr8

Sounds to me that while they're out in several squares and cities the protests have not diminished too much.

Mizzou_8541
06-20-2009, 11:15 AM
Sounds to me that while they're out in several squares and cities the protests have not diminished too much.

I've notice on twitter that many embassies are opening their doors to injured? Do you know anything about that or can injured protesters simply not go to hospitals?

irishjayhawk
06-20-2009, 11:16 AM
I've notice on twitter that many embassies are opening their doors to injured? Do you know anything about that or can injured protesters simply not go to hospitals?

Just woke up and caught up and haven't seen anything on that.

Mizzou_8541
06-20-2009, 11:18 AM
Just woke up and caught up and haven't seen anything on that.

it's all over #iranelection

Ultra Peanut
06-20-2009, 11:41 AM
I've notice on twitter that many embassies are opening their doors to injured? Do you know anything about that or can injured protesters simply not go to hospitals?Makeshift medical facilities have been the case all week; government forces have been camped out in the hospitals.

Frankie
06-20-2009, 12:38 PM
Sounds to me that while they're out in several squares and cities the protests have not diminished too much.

The reason the big gatherings are not taking place is that the Basijis are blocking the smaller groups on their way to the announced gathering locations. I would think that there are many people still out.

Frankie
06-20-2009, 12:39 PM
I've notice on twitter that many embassies are opening their doors to injured? Do you know anything about that or can injured protesters simply not go to hospitals?

There have neen reports throughout this that security forces wait for them at the hospitals either to block them from entry or to arrest them.

irishjayhawk
06-20-2009, 12:40 PM
The reason the big gatherings are not taking place is that the Basijis are blocking the smaller groups on their way to the announced gathering locations. I would think that there are many people still out.

I know. That's what I was saying. ;)

They haven't diminished too much. As in, they're still big.

Frankie
06-20-2009, 12:44 PM
Sorry.

irishjayhawk
06-20-2009, 12:57 PM
Sorry.

No worries. :p

RINGLEADER
06-20-2009, 01:39 PM
The White House is saying that they're seeing the Iranians use "traditional crowd control methods."

Good God.

So very, very sad.

irishjayhawk
06-20-2009, 02:54 PM
The White House is saying that they're seeing the Iranians use "traditional crowd control methods."

Good God.

So very, very sad.

They were - at first. At first, most reports indicated tear gas and water cannons. Then it started to escalate. Now there are reports that acid or boiling water was dropped from helicopters, though neither of them have been officially confirmed yet. Gunfire was obviously used.

Frankie
06-20-2009, 03:09 PM
Now there are reports that acid or boiling water was dropped from helicopters, though neither of them have been officially confirmed yet.

I believe that.

Sure-Oz
06-20-2009, 03:10 PM
im not, but their following me though

irishjayhawk
06-20-2009, 03:13 PM
I believe that.

Fox News has subsequently reported it. Not that it means it's 100% true.

RINGLEADER
06-20-2009, 03:57 PM
They were - at first. At first, most reports indicated tear gas and water cannons. Then it started to escalate. Now there are reports that acid or boiling water was dropped from helicopters, though neither of them have been officially confirmed yet. Gunfire was obviously used.

I heard it from the WH correspondent from CNN after I saw the absolutely disturbing video of the girl being shot in the throat and dying that I posted on the other Iran thread.

irishjayhawk
06-20-2009, 07:29 PM
For the record, that girl in the video was named Neda. She was not a protester but was watching along side her father in front of their store. A Basiji aimed directly for the heart and took the shot. The doctor couldn't save her (his friend shot the video) and she died in 2 minutes. Her father is the one crying in the video.

For now, she has become the voice of the movement. Her name, in farsi, apparently means voice or call. Twitter's trending topics has her as 1. She wasn't the only casualty but her's has become the face and voice of the movement now.

irishjayhawk
06-20-2009, 07:29 PM
Also, it appears the military has moved into Tehran according to unconfirmed reports. They aren't firing just there.