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Micjones
06-15-2009, 03:24 PM
What's the most unbreakable record in professional sports?

1. DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak?
2. Chamberlain's 100 single game points?
3. Jim Brown's 8 straight NFL rushing titles?
4. Cy Young's 511 career wins?
5. Cal Ripken's consecutive games played?
One not named here?

...discuss.

Dicky McElephant
06-15-2009, 03:25 PM
Shit....all of them.

Micjones
06-15-2009, 03:28 PM
The Cy Young record is pretty damn safe.
Only one other pitcher ever even got to 400.

KCChiefsMan
06-15-2009, 03:29 PM
I don't see anyone getting Jerry Rice's all time receiving records

Demonpenz
06-15-2009, 03:31 PM
cal ripken and a there is a pitcher with 450 wins or something I can't think of one, but the ones are unbreakable def are the ones where the leagues changed or the rule changed making them unbreakable by default

KC native
06-15-2009, 03:31 PM
The Cy Young record is pretty damn safe.
Only one other pitcher ever even got to 400.

I'd say that Cal Ripken's and Jim Brown's records are probably safe too. There's too much movement in the NFL anymore for one player to dominate like that. If he dominated a division for two years other teams that played them twice a year would figure out how to stop him. Next, with Cal's record It's almost impossible to not get hurt to where you can't play and then when you factor in strategic management it becomes even more unreachable.

bobbything
06-15-2009, 03:32 PM
In the order of least likely to most likely:

4, 3, 2, 5, 1

Bowser
06-15-2009, 03:32 PM
I don't see anyone getting Jerry Rice's all time receiving records

His would be the one to fall first when put up against those others. Hell, Fitzgerald broke Rice's playoff receiving records last year. He keeps on like he should, he might reach Rice's regular season stats.

DJ's left nut
06-15-2009, 03:32 PM
What's the most unbreakable record in professional sports?

1. DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak?
2. Chamberlain's 100 single game points?
3. Jim Brown's 8 straight NFL rushing titles?
4. Cy Young's 511 career wins?
5. Cal Ripken's consecutive games played?

...discuss.

6. Johnny VanderMeers 2 consecutive no-hitters

Ultimately I still think that's the least likely to be broken; nobody's going to throw 3 in a row.

Among the above list in order of likelihood IMO (least likely to most likely)

1) Dimaggio -- An absolutely otherwordly feat. Think of how incredibly rare even a 30 game streak is, I just don't see this ever happening again. I'd be surprised to see anyone get to 50 in my lifetime. The somewhat random nature of baseball makes the odds against this ever happening again literally billions to one against.

2) Cy Young's wins -- Bullpen specialization and 5 man rotations have pretty much rendered this impossible. It would take roughly 750 starts by an absolutely dominant pitcher. That's not impossible, but it's a rare bird that manages it. Figure a pitcher that pitches for 25 years and you outside crack at it. You'd need someone with Doc Gooden's early talent and Randy Johnson's longetivity. Stephen Strasberg, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you...

3) Chamberlain's 100 pt game -- Kobe came close enough for me to believe it will be done again someday.

4) Cal Ripken's consecutive game streak -- It's a streak of luck as much as skill. We'll see it broken someday, IMO.

5) Jim Brown -- It's relative enough that we'll see it again. Sanders would've done it with a decent line in front of him.

Bowser
06-15-2009, 03:33 PM
cal ripken and a there is a pitcher with 450 wins or something I can't think of one, but the ones are unbreakable def are the ones where the leagues changed or the rule changed making them unbreakable by default

Not sure, but I think you're thinking of Jamie Moyer's 250 wins.

Micjones
06-15-2009, 03:33 PM
I don't see anyone getting Jerry Rice's all time receiving records

Or career receptions either. 1,549?
I think the closest active player is Marvin Harrison. And he's 36.

KCChiefsMan
06-15-2009, 03:34 PM
His would be the one to fall first when put up against those others. Hell, Fitzgerald broke Rice's playoff receiving records last year. He keeps on like he should, he might reach Rice's regular season stats.

he could, but nobody has stood the test of time like Rice. We'll see though, fitz and Moss definately have a solid chance though.

RJ
06-15-2009, 03:34 PM
Those are all pretty impressive.

Johnny Vander Meer's back to back no hitters is another good one, as is Orel Hershiser's 59 consecutive scoreless innings pitched.

Bowser
06-15-2009, 03:36 PM
Not sure, but I think you're thinking of Jamie Moyer's 250 wins.

Haha, look at me trying to get inside Penz's mind!

Micjones
06-15-2009, 03:37 PM
6. Johnny VanderMeers 2 consecutive no-hitters

Ultimately I still think that's the least likely to be broken; nobody's going to throw 3 in a row.

Hell you're lucky to throw three in your entire pitching career.
That one's definitely safe.

3) Chamberlain's 100 pt game -- Kobe came close enough for me to believe it will be done again someday.

Wilt's 55 rebound game is probably more unbreakable, but I believe that was before the rule change. So that might be unbreakable by default.

5) Jim Brown -- It's relative enough that we'll see it again. Sanders would've done it with a decent line in front of him.

The way RB's break down nowadays I don't see this happening...

Micjones
06-15-2009, 03:38 PM
he could, but nobody has stood the test of time like Rice. We'll see though, fitz and Moss definately have a solid chance though.

As good as Fitz is... He's still 16,000+ yards and 1,100 more receptions away.

Bowser
06-15-2009, 03:41 PM
As good as Fitz is... He's still 16,000+ yards and 1,100 more receptions away.

But he's YOUNG. How old is he? 26, maybe?

tyton75
06-15-2009, 03:43 PM
Cal Ripkens will never be broken.. teams just don't trot out players EVERY day like they used to.. always trying to find a day off here and there

Cy Youngs will never be broken either for reasons given earlier.

however, I could see an outside chance that some of the others could go down at some point

DJ's left nut
06-15-2009, 03:43 PM
Hell you're lucky to throw three in your entire pitching career.
That one's definitely safe.



Wilt's 55 rebound game is probably more unbreakable, but I believe that was before the rule change. So that might be unbreakable by default.



The way RB's break down nowadays I don't see this happening...

All records of this ilk take a freak of nature. Running backs have broken down for as long as there have been runningbacks, but a guy like Emmit Smith was seemingly healthy every year.

Gimme a short RB with a bowling ball build and a little bit of luck, stick him behind a good offensive line and I think you could see it done. The larger concern is, IMO, the RBBC. Someon above mentioned strategic resource management and I think that's a valid point. These guys make so much money that even a horse like LDT will end up in a partial time-share in order to ensure a long-term return on investment.

So money could end up making that record impossible I suppose.

Demonpenz
06-15-2009, 03:44 PM
most homeruns at ebbets field

Micjones
06-15-2009, 03:44 PM
But he's YOUNG. How old is he? 26, maybe?

He'll be 26 when the season starts.

Let's say he plays 12 more seasons...
He'd need to average something 90 receptions and 1,300 receiving yards a season...for 12 YEARS!

DJ's left nut
06-15-2009, 03:47 PM
Cal Ripkens will never be broken.. teams just don't trot out players EVERY day like they used to.. always trying to find a day off here and there

Cy Youngs will never be broken either for reasons given earlier.

however, I could see an outside chance that some of the others could go down at some point

They do with young guys that are pre-arbitration eligible.

To break Ripkens streak I think you need just one MVP caliber talent with a chip on his shoulder. Sure, when he's expensive teams might be a little more careful, but what if he's gone through his 6 years of team control without missing a game? That's certainly not impossible, teams aren't nearly as careful with the 26 year old guys. Say someone like Justin Upton comes up at 20, is a physical specimen, your team needs him in the lineup, he's cost effective and he's healthy.

Suddenly at age 27 he's a FA with a 972 game streak. Now Ripkens record isn't exactly close at that point....but it ain't far either. You know he'll start to think about it.

At that point, if he gets sat I think there's hell to pay. If someone puts together 5 plus years of a streak, which is hardly impossible, I think you'll see them make a major push for it.

MIAdragon
06-15-2009, 03:48 PM
I think Cy's 749 complete games is more impressive than his win total

Micjones
06-15-2009, 03:49 PM
All records of this ilk take a freak of nature. Running backs have broken down for as long as there have been runningbacks, but a guy like Emmit Smith was seemingly healthy every year.

Gimme a short RB with a bowling ball build and a little bit of luck, stick him behind a good offensive line and I think you could see it done. The larger concern is, IMO, the RBBC. Someon above mentioned strategic resource management and I think that's a valid point. These guys make so much money that even a horse like LDT will end up in a partial time-share in order to ensure a long-term return on investment.

So money could end up making that record impossible I suppose.

Thing is, it requires being healthy AND dominant at your position.
9 straight rushing titles? That would probably put you at 7th or 8th on the all-time rushing yards list.

RaiderH8r
06-15-2009, 03:50 PM
The Cy Young record is pretty damn safe.
Only one other pitcher ever even got to 400.

Cy's record is posting 20 win seasons for 25 consecutive years...and then getting 11 more to tie. I don't think that gets touched due to the emergence of the bullpen, pitching rotations, and health concerns.

DJ's left nut
06-15-2009, 03:52 PM
I think Cy's 749 complete games is more impressive than his win total

To give you an idea of how unreachable that particular mark is:

In his entire career, despite finishing 749 games (and averaging over 30/season), Cy Young only led the league in CGs three times.

Yeah, I'd say it was a different era.

I forgot about that one, I think I'd put that one ahead of DiMaggio actually.

Stewie
06-15-2009, 03:54 PM
Cy Young, hands down.

The other record is Wilt fucking 20,000 women.

Bowser
06-15-2009, 03:55 PM
The other record is Wilt fucking 20,000 women.

Pffft. Amateur. [/DaKCMan AP]

Micjones
06-15-2009, 03:56 PM
How about Ty Cobb's lifetime .367?

kcfanXIII
06-15-2009, 03:56 PM
i'd say DiMaggio's. the pressure from today's media, from say game 15 on, would get inside even the most professional of athletes heads. not to take anything away from the others. oh, and will the rightful homerun king's record ever be legitamently broken?

Micjones
06-15-2009, 03:58 PM
i'd say DiMaggio's. the pressure from today's media, from say game 15 on, would get inside even the most professional of athletes heads. not to take anything away from the others. oh, and will the rightful homerun king's record ever be legitamently broken?

Sadaharu Oh. 868 homeruns, IIRC?

DJ's left nut
06-15-2009, 04:00 PM
Will the rightful homerun king's record ever be legitamently broken?

Without question.

Presuming A-Rod is ineligible (which I'm fine with) Pujols has a decent shot at it.

But expansion and the de-emphasis on the strikeout will only run #s up. Expansion has about 40 pitchers in MLB that have no business being here. That's good for another 5 HRs a season for a slugger that doesn't miss mistakes.

Sabre-leaning teams are less and less concerned with the K and think HRs trump all. As such, guys like Adam Dunn will always have a place in the league. Sooner or later a guy like Ryan Howard won't get buried for 5 years behind Jim Thome and you'll have someone pushing 400 by age 30.

Ari Chi3fs
06-15-2009, 04:02 PM
What's the most unbreakable record in professional sports?

1. DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak?
2. Chamberlain's 100 single game points?
3. Jim Brown's 8 straight NFL rushing titles?
4. Cy Young's 511 career wins?
5. Cal Ripken's consecutive games played?
One not named here?

...discuss.

Unbreakable.... that should be a rap song... about these records.

Be inspired. Write it. I want to hear it.

The chorus...

Un-Break-able
something something something something
Un-Break-able
something else something else something else
Un-Break-able

Micjones
06-15-2009, 04:05 PM
Favre's 310 career interceptions?

Micjones
06-15-2009, 04:06 PM
Wilt's 50.4 ppg average for a single season? Insane. Won't ever be done again, but the level of competition he faced was mostly pitiful. Few players could guard him.

shitgoose
06-15-2009, 04:08 PM
What about Nolan Ryan's 5,714 strikeouts?

Randy Johnson is the only one even close and he is still almost a 1000 behind with 4789.

Micjones
06-15-2009, 04:09 PM
What about Nolan Ryan's 5,714 strikeouts?

Randy Johnson is the only one even close and he is still almost a 1000 behind with 4789.

Or Nolan's seven no-hitters?

Micjones
06-15-2009, 04:09 PM
Baseball seems to clearly own most of these "unbreakable" records.

Consistent1
06-15-2009, 04:26 PM
Those records are all tough as hell and built to last. It just isn't the same now in any of those sports these days. I hate old timer arguments. Take some of these guys from this day and age (even back to the 70's) and put them back in the "old times" and they would dominate. Put Cy Young in the present American League and it all turns out different. Fun stuff to think about but no comparison can be made.