Media Bias?? No way!!! ABC says "Obama is only one who matters"

[petegz28]

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashaot.htm

ABC TURNS PROGRAMMING OVER TO OBAMA; NEWS TO BE ANCHORED FROM INSIDE WHITE HOUSE
Tue Jun 16 2009 08:45:10 ET

On the night of June 24, the media and government become one, when ABC turns its programming over to President Obama and White House officials to push government run health care -- a move that has ignited an ethical firestorm!

Highlights on the agenda:

ABCNEWS anchor Charlie Gibson will deliver WORLD NEWS from the Blue Room of the White House.

The network plans a primetime special -- 'Prescription for America' -- originating from the East Room, exclude opposing voices on the debate.

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Late Monday night, Republican National Committee Chief of Staff Ken McKay fired off a complaint to the head of ABCNEWS:

Dear Mr. Westin:

As the national debate on health care reform intensifies, I am deeply concerned and disappointed with ABC's astonishing decision to exclude opposing voices on this critical issue on June 24, 2009. Next Wednesday, ABC News will air a primetime health care reform “town hall” at the White House with President Barack Obama. In addition, according to an ABC News report, GOOD MORNING AMERICA, WORLD NEWS, NIGHTLINE and ABC’s web news “will all feature special programming on the president’s health care agenda.” This does not include the promotion, over the next 9 days, the president’s health care agenda will receive on ABC News programming.

Today, the Republican National Committee requested an opportunity to add our Party's views to those of the President's to ensure that all sides of the health care reform debate are presented. Our request was rejected. I believe that the President should have the ability to speak directly to the America people. However, I find it outrageous that ABC would prohibit our Party's opposing thoughts and ideas from this national debate, which affects millions of ABC viewers.

In the absence of opposition, I am concerned this event will become a glorified infomercial to promote the Democrat agenda. If that is the case, this primetime infomercial should be paid for out of the DNC coffers. President Obama does not hold a monopoly on health care reform ideas or on free airtime. The President has stated time and time again that he wants a bipartisan debate. Therefore, the Republican Party should be included in this primetime event, or the DNC should pay for your airtime.

Respectfully,
Ken McKay
Republican National Committee
Chief of Staff



Why should the people get to hear both sides of the argument???

[Chief Henry]

More free time to a political party.

[Brock]

You lost, we won, get over it /BigRedChief

[irishjayhawk]

There's good ole moderate pete.

[Mojo Jojo]

Looks like the FCC will be getting involved in this. If that fails here we go to the courts.

[blaise]

There's good ole moderate pete.


As opposed to good ole moderate ABC news doing a paid program for Obama.

[Deberg_1990]

The DNC just needs to cough up the $$$ and call it an informercial.

[petegz28]

There's good ole moderate pete.

Yes, asking to hear both sides is really partisan of me, isn't it?

I guess in your idiotic opinion it is only moderate to cater to one party? In this case the Dems. Of course if this were the other way around you would be furious cause you are a hack.


What part of "all sides of the argument" pisses you off? The fact that someone might debate Obama?

[petegz28]

Looks like the FCC will be getting involved in this. If that fails here we go to the courts.

Link?

[petegz28]

Updated:

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ABCNEWS Senior Vice President Kerry Smith on Tuesday responded to the RNC complaint, saying it contained 'false premises':

"ABCNEWS prides itself on covering all sides of important issues and asking direct questions of all newsmakers -- of all political persuasions -- even when others have taken a more partisan approach and even in the face of criticism from extremes on both ends of the political spectrum. ABCNEWS is looking for the most thoughtful and diverse voices on this issue.

"ABCNEWS alone will select those who will be in the audience asking questions of the president. Like any programs we broadcast, ABC News will have complete editorial control. To suggest otherwise is quite unfair to both our journalists and our audience."

Developing...


ABC is trying to cover their ass now...

Like we are supposed to believe they are going to provide the same opposite take that the Repubs would? Why not just give both sides a voice? This is bullshit. This is an infomercial and it is wrong.

[irishjayhawk]

As opposed to good ole moderate ABC news doing a paid program for Obama.

Yes, asking to hear both sides is really partisan of me, isn't it?

I guess in your idiotic opinion it is only moderate to cater to one party? In this case the Dems. Of course if this were the other way around you would be furious cause you are a hack.


What part of "all sides of the argument" pisses you off? The fact that someone might debate Obama?

I actually have nothing against the outrage of this. What I did - and will continue to do - is point out pete's moderate ways.

[chiefforlife]

This sounds like a good thing to me, at least on the surface. This is an important issue and having this kind of access to watch how it unfolds will be great. I am sure all sides will have a voice.
It would be nice to have this be a permanent "watchdog at the Whitehouse."

[mikey23545]

Chains you can believe in....

[KC Dan]

Updated:
ABC is trying to cover their ass now...

Like we are supposed to believe they are going to provide the same opposite take that the Repubs would? Why not just give both sides a voice? This is bullshit. This is an infomercial and it is wrong.
Billy!!! Save us!

[Mojo Jojo]

Link?

That was just an opinion. I do believe the RNC would file a complaint with the FCC and also challenge this use of public airwaves in court. I'm sure the DNC would do the same if this were GWB anytime in the past eight years.

As citizens we can also file complaints against local affiliates if they were not willing to open up air time for local response. This is not a FD issue as much as a serving the public interest issue. It may not anywhere, but it forces stations to fill out paper work, put into a public file and present at the next license renewal. Owners and GM's hate this paperwork.

[wild1]

Dear Leader doesn't even have to take the media over, as other authoritarian states do.

We essentially have state-run media already, due to their willing compliance.

[memyselfI]

And so begins the control of the media...

thank God the networks and papers are a dying breed. Blogs and Twitter will replace them.

[Reaper16]

Its all just an insidious trick to get Fairness Doctrine passed.

[wild1]

And so begins the control of the media...

thank God the networks and papers are a dying breed. Blogs and Twitter will replace them.

except Dear Leader will control the internet and the radio waves soon as well.

[memyselfI]

except Dear Leader will control the internet and the radio waves soon as well.

I'm afraid you could be right. Of course Obots will hail the measure as being necessary to 'keep us safe...' ROFL

[The_Grand_Illusion]

Dear Leader doesn't even have to take the media over, as other authoritarian states do.

We essentially have state-run media already, due to their willing compliance.


Control of the media has been happening for some time. It didn’t happen overnight nor did what everything happening now happen overnight. There are those of us who have opened our eyes and understand and tried to warn Americans. The radical progressive movement is now in power so they don’t have to hide who they are anymore. Neither do the complicit media have to hide who they are. Now the media is emboldened since their agenda is part of the power structure in DC. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I started posting again during the election because I searched into Obama’s background and worried about America going forward under such a radical leftist. It wasn’t hard to figure out his radical Marxist and radical Muslim ties. Much of it was posted here during the election. Much of the main stream media also ignored these issues and Obama’s supporters severely downplayed any criticism of Obama. Even racism was used as a tool to stifle debate which was wrong during an important election.

Now, we are witnessing the government takeover or pending takeovers of banks, businesses, the media, the internet, etc. Yes, this makes a great case for those of us who understood his radical Marxist ties. Remember his Bill Ayers ties? Just before the Muslim apology tour, the White House acknowledged Obama’s Muslim heritage. What? The main stream media and his followers all told us he was Christian. The White House admitted voters might have a problem if he were to admit his Muslim heritage during the election. His ties to radical Muslims like Odinga in Kenya was downplayed and ignored by the MSM. What happened to a fair media in this country? The sad truth is many voters were duped during this past election by the Obama campaign, the main stream media, and his followers. I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t like being told the whole story or being duped.

Americans need to wake up to what is happening to our beloved America. People need to quit looking at everything through the prism of their political party. The radical progressive movement has had its supporters in both parties. So while Democrats battle Republicans, the radical progressive movement has been able move forward their agenda the last 40+ years through academia, the media, and the government. If everything that is happening now, along with the compliant media, doesn’t wake you up, this country is in big trouble. I understood how people were being duped during this election and I understand no one likes being duped. Maybe together as Americans, both Democrats and Republicans we can take this country back from the progressive elites and return it to the people and get big government the h*ll out of our lives.

TGI

[CoMoChief]

The media pretty much created Obama. You think the media is going to let this guy fail, or appear to Fail? No way. The fuckin SWINE FLU?!?!? are you fucking kidding me? People die from the flu all the time every year, week, and day. Media does nothing but cover up the rediculous shti Obama is doing. Nationalizing Health care..........fuck that shit.

[KCTitus]

Why should the people get to hear both sides of the argument???

People haven't been hearing 'both sides' for a very long time from the network 'news' departments.

At this point anyone stupid enough to still believe that handouts from the government isn't the first steps to indentured servitude deserves what they get.

[Reaper16]

Control of the media has been happening for some time. It didn’t happen overnight nor did what everything happening now happen overnight. There are those of us who have opened our eyes and understand and tried to warn Americans. The radical progressive movement is now in power so they don’t have to hide who they are anymore. Neither do the complicit media have to hide who they are. Now the media is emboldened since their agenda is part of the power structure in DC. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I started posting again during the election because I searched into Obama’s background and worried about America going forward under such a radical leftist. It wasn’t hard to figure out his radical Marxist and radical Muslim ties. Much of it was posted here during the election. Much of the main stream media also ignored these issues and Obama’s supporters severely downplayed any criticism of Obama. Even racism was used as a tool to stifle debate which was wrong during an important election.

Now, we are witnessing the government takeover or pending takeovers of banks, businesses, the media, the internet, etc. Yes, this makes a great case for those of us who understood his radical Marxist ties. Remember his Bill Ayers ties? Just before the Muslim apology tour, the White House acknowledged Obama’s Muslim heritage. What? The main stream media and his followers all told us he was Christian. The White House admitted voters might have a problem if he were to admit his Muslim heritage during the election. His ties to radical Muslims like Odinga in Kenya was downplayed and ignored by the MSM. What happened to a fair media in this country? The sad truth is many voters were duped during this past election by the Obama campaign, the main stream media, and his followers. I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t like being told the whole story or being duped.

Americans need to wake up to what is happening to our beloved America. People need to quit looking at everything through the prism of their political party. The radical progressive movement has had its supporters in both parties. So while Democrats battle Republicans, the radical progressive movement has been able move forward their agenda the last 40+ years through academia, the media, and the government. If everything that is happening now, along with the compliant media, doesn’t wake you up, this country is in big trouble. I understood how people were being duped during this election and I understand no one likes being duped. Maybe together as Americans, both Democrats and Republicans we can take this country back from the progressive elites and return it to the people and get big government the h*ll out of our lives.

TGI
ROFL

[The_Grand_Illusion]

ROFL

I'm glad you are amused. Face it many of us were correct when it came to Obama and the election.

TGI

[Reaper16]

I'm glad you are amused. Face it many of us were correct when it came to Obama and the election.

TGI
ROFL

[The_Grand_Illusion]

ROFL


:shake:

It's people like you that have been and are ruining this great country of ours.

TGI

[Reaper16]

:shake:

It's people like you that have been and are ruining this great country of ours.

TGI
ROFL

[The_Grand_Illusion]

ROFL


You are only proving yourself to being a useful idiot but by all means continue.

TGI

[Reaper16]

You are only proving yourself to being a useful idiot but by all means continue.

TGI
TGITGI

(Thank God Its The Grand Illusion)

[petegz28]

ROFL

I don't know what you are laughing about? Since Obama has taken office the country has indeed made a huge step towards socialism\facism\communism.

[Guru]

Armageddon

[Donger]

Certain Obama followers remind me of Charlie Manson's girls.

[Donger]

I don't know what you are laughing about? Since Obama has taken office the country has indeed made a huge step towards socialism\facism\communism.

Pssst! Some people actually support and want Socialism.

[The_Grand_Illusion]

I don't know what you are laughing about? Since Obama has taken office the country has indeed made a huge step towards socialism\facism\communism.

Indeed, I give many of you credit for hanging in there and trying to warn them during the election and afterwards. There are some that are still in denial I suppose.

TGI

[stevieray]

1984

[J Diddy]

Certain Obama followers remind me of Charlie Manson's girls.

Curious had some similar thoughts concerning Bush. I wonder if Manson tortured people as well.

[stevieray]

.




Americans need to wake up to what is happening to our beloved America. People need to quit looking at everything through the prism of their political party. The radical progressive movement has had its supporters in both parties. So while Democrats battle Republicans, the radical progressive movement has been able move forward their agenda the last 40+ years through academia, the media, and the government. If everything that is happening now, along with the compliant media, doesn’t wake you up, this country is in big trouble. I understood how people were being duped during this election and I understand no one likes being duped. Maybe together as Americans, both Democrats and Republicans we can take this country back from the progressive elites and return it to the people and get big government the h*ll out of our lives.

TGI

spot on...

[The_Grand_Illusion]

Pssst! Some people actually support and want Socialism.


I do not disagree with any of this. Though, I wonder if they realize that many of them are a product of the 60’s radical progressive anti-establishment movement, many of which from this movement went into government, the media, academia, and politics. This anti-establishment has slowly evolved into the establishment with their influences and policies the last 40+ years. Socialism has been slowly implemented through this movement and is all some of these people have been taught and know that were born during this period.

I was born during this time period and it was all I knew growing up in a minority family so I understand the fairness appeal of socialism. I was there at one point in my life. Through life experiences I now understand why it’s a lie. Constantly growing government to bring equality and fairness will never work. Big government will only bring unhappiness, misery and tyranny if we are not careful. Americans will have to ask themselves if the big government that progressives have brought the last 40+ years have worked towards equality and fairness, then why are some Americans still screaming about equality and fairness since progressives have had the stage for decades now. It doesn’t work and only leads to the huge problems like we are having now, TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT.

Equality and fairness is the carrot that progressives have been dangling in front of some of the American people for decades now as it never will be truly achieved with government continuing to grow and oppressing other Americans in the name of fairness. This is neither equal nor fair. As government meddles and grows in the name of fairness ALL Americans liberties will continue to erode. We have had decades of the progressive experiment and now we’ve reached its peak with everything going on, it has failed miserably when you look at many progressive governments that are on the verge of collapse or struggling around the country. Also, big government’s meddling in business has and is on the verge of taking many down in private sector too, see mortgages, banking, GM, Chrysler, etc.

The sad thing is the 60’s radical progressive movement that is responsible for this mess, is now in charge of fixing it with huge amounts of more government, which will further erode our liberties and continue to damage the private sector. Wait till the reality of all this government spending hits American’s disposable income. If the private sector, which I am in, is struggling to make it now, wait till this monstrosity becomes reality.


TGI

[The_Grand_Illusion]

I don't care what side of the aisle people are on, this is just flat out wrong.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashaot1.htm

ABC REFUSES OPPOSITION ADS DURING WHITE HOUSE SPECIAL
Wed Jun 17 2009 15:15:00 ET

ABC is refusing to air paid ads during its White House health care presentation, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, including a paid-for alternative viewpoint!

The development comes a day after the network denied a request by the Republican National Committee to feature a representative of the party's views during the Obama special.

Conservatives for Patients Rights requested the rates to buy a 60-second spot immediately preceding 'Prescription for America'.

Statement from Rick Scott, chairman of Conservatives for Patients Rights:

"It is unfortunate - and unusual - that ABC is refusing to accept paid advertising that would present an alternative viewpoint for the White House health care event. Health care is an issue that touches every American and all potential pieces of legislation have carried a pricetag in excess of $1 trillion of taxpayers' money. The American people deserve a healthy, robust debate on this issue and ABC's decision - as of now - to exclude even paid advertisements that present an alternative view does a disservice to the public. Our organization is more than willing to purchase ad time on ABC to present an alternative viewpoint and our hope is that ABC will reconsider having such viewpoints be part of this crucial debate for the American people. We were surprised to hear that paid advertisements would not be accepted when we inquired and we would certainly be open to purchasing time if ABC would reconsider."

Developing...

[Reaper16]

I do not disagree with any of this. Though, I wonder if they realize that many of them are a product of the 60’s radical progressive anti-establishment movement, many of which from this movement went into government, the media, academia, and politics. This anti-establishment has slowly evolved into the establishment with their influences and policies the last 40+ years. Socialism has been slowly implemented through this movement and is all some of these people have been taught and know that were born during this period.

I was born during this time period and it was all I knew growing up in a minority family so I understand the fairness appeal of socialism. I was there at one point in my life. Through life experiences I now understand why it’s a lie. Constantly growing government to bring equality and fairness will never work. Big government will only bring unhappiness, misery and tyranny if we are not careful. Americans will have to ask themselves if the big government that progressives have brought the last 40+ years have worked towards equality and fairness, then why are some Americans still screaming about equality and fairness since progressives have had the stage for decades now. It doesn’t work and only leads to the huge problems like we are having now, TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT.

Equality and fairness is the carrot that progressives have been dangling in front of some of the American people for decades now as it never will be truly achieved with government continuing to grow and oppressing other Americans in the name of fairness. This is neither equal nor fair. As government meddles and grows in the name of fairness ALL Americans liberties will continue to erode. We have had decades of the progressive experiment and now we’ve reached its peak with everything going on, it has failed miserably when you look at many progressive governments that are on the verge of collapse or struggling around the country. Also, big government’s meddling in business has and is on the verge of taking many down in private sector too, see mortgages, banking, GM, Chrysler, etc.

The sad thing is the 60’s radical progressive movement that is responsible for this mess, is now in charge of fixing it with huge amounts of more government, which will further erode our liberties and continue to damage the private sector. Wait till the reality of all this government spending hits American’s disposable income. If the private sector, which I am in, is struggling to make it now, wait till this monstrosity becomes reality.


TGI
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[The_Grand_Illusion]

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I make no apologies for my life experiences. You have NO idea what I have been through in my lifetime for making such an arrogant gesture. I was a liberal at one point so I do understand that point of view more than you think Life experiences have taught me the progressive solutions of big government DOES NOT WORK.

I’ve been on the front lines of free enterprise for the last 20 years with 2 businesses so I do have some experiences in this matter. What is taking place now did not happen overnight. As a businessman I do observe with what is happening with other businesses in my surroundings and in other cities. I’ve witnessed business activity decrease as governments at all levels have grown the last 2 decades. There are many empty buildings and many of them have been empty for some time that used to house thriving businesses. I’ve witnessed many businesses close before they even get a chance to get going.

Do you realize as government grows and grows, the more taxation that is needed to keep it going, the more money it takes out of the economy that’s good for businesses to thrive? I believe we are way past the point of too much government for many businesses to thrive well. I went through one of the business industrial parks the other day only to see many of the businesses with little or no cars there. Some of those businesses had been open a long time and no one was at them. I am very worried for them as well as anyone who has a business out there, during this time.

Now, we have a government out of control with record spending. This will come down the pike as huge increased taxes taking even more money out of the economy. This will be the end of many good businesses out there because many are just barely hanging in there. I built my business the old fashioned way and that was through hard work and no handouts. I worked very hard and through many hours, and rarely taking vacations. I enjoy what I do and enjoy the great customers I have been blessed with. I would do anything for them and have. THIS IS THE AMERICAN DREAM and how to achieve equality for any American.

You libs should be proud a minority has been able to achieve the American Dream even though it’s been in a hampering progressive environment. Instead, I’m met with intolerance because I don’t fit their worldview. I know I’m a threat to your worldview because of my life experiences, I understand big government doesn’t work to achieve equality and fairness, everyone just ends up losing liberties. Equality and fairness is achieved through education, and/or hard work and working to the best of your abilities for all Americans, not just minorities. Although that does not guarantee success, the chips should be stacked in favor of those willing to work hard for the American Dream, not against it like it has progressed in the last 40+ years.

So I do understand the reality of the situation and the serious threat to free enterprise with more and more government spending and interference. So while you want to mock me and make fun of me, your ignorance does not understand the reality of the situation. I’ve never seen business this bad in the 20 years of business experience. I was hoping to make 15 years in the current business and that would have been an awesome personal accomplishment. I’m a very busy person so I don’t have all the time to post what’s happening out there on the front lines. I do this because I care very much about this country and where it’s headed. Liberals will have to learn that today’s progressive movement is full of unintended consequences. In the next 2 months, I will be making the decision to close or not. Government freebies are not free. Someone has to pay and it’s going to hit the American people very hard with all this outrageous spending and thus many of the good small businesses that make up this country will suffer.

TGI

[alanm]

I make no apologies for my life experiences. You have NO idea what I have been through in my lifetime for making such an arrogant gesture. I was a liberal at one point so I do understand that point of view more than you think Life experiences have taught me the progressive solutions of big government DOES NOT WORK.

I’ve been on the front lines of free enterprise for the last 20 years with 2 businesses so I do have some experiences in this matter. What is taking place now did not happen overnight. As a businessman I do observe with what is happening with other businesses in my surroundings and in other cities. I’ve witnessed business activity decrease as governments at all levels have grown the last 2 decades. There are many empty buildings and many of them have been empty for some time that used to house thriving businesses. I’ve witnessed many businesses close before they even get a chance to get going.

Do you realize as government grows and grows, the more taxation that is needed to keep it going, the more money it takes out of the economy that’s good for businesses to thrive? I believe we are way past the point of too much government for many businesses to thrive well. I went through one of the business industrial parks the other day only to see many of the businesses with little or no cars there. Some of those businesses had been open a long time and no one was at them. I am very worried for them as well as anyone who has a business out there, during this time.

Now, we have a government out of control with record spending. This will come down the pike as huge increased taxes taking even more money out of the economy. This will be the end of many good businesses out there because many are just barely hanging in there. I built my business the old fashioned way and that was through hard work and no handouts. I worked very hard and through many hours, and rarely taking vacations. I enjoy what I do and enjoy the great customers I have been blessed with. I would do anything for them and have. THIS IS THE AMERICAN DREAM and how to achieve equality for any American.

You libs should be proud a minority has been able to achieve the American Dream even though it’s been in a hampering progressive environment. Instead, I’m met with intolerance because I don’t fit their worldview. I know I’m a threat to your worldview because of my life experiences, I understand big government doesn’t work to achieve equality and fairness, everyone just ends up losing liberties. Equality and fairness is achieved through education, and/or hard work and working to the best of your abilities for all Americans, not just minorities. Although that does not guarantee success, the chips should be stacked in favor of those willing to work hard for the American Dream, not against it like it has progressed in the last 40+ years.

So I do understand the reality of the situation and the serious threat to free enterprise with more and more government spending and interference. So while you want to mock me and make fun of me, your ignorance does not understand the reality of the situation. I’ve never seen business this bad in the 20 years of business experience. I was hoping to make 15 years in the current business and that would have been an awesome personal accomplishment. I’m a very busy person so I don’t have all the time to post what’s happening out there on the front lines. I do this because I care very much about this country and where it’s headed. Liberals will have to learn that today’s progressive movement is full of unintended consequences. In the next 2 months, I will be making the decision to close or not. Government freebies are not free. Someone has to pay and it’s going to hit the American people very hard with all this outrageous spending and thus many of the good small businesses that make up this country will suffer.

TGI
You're wasting your time. Reaper is 22 and in on the adult conspiracy. He has all the answers.
I knew it all at that age as well. And then I had to move on into the real world.

[The_Grand_Illusion]

You're wasting your time. Reaper is 22 and in on the adult conspiracy. He has all the answers.
I knew it all at that age as well. And then I had to move on into the real world.

I understand, I was that way as well untill the real world hit me square in the face. Obviously it hasn't hit him yet as this is not a game with the seriousness of what is happening today.

[irishjayhawk]

You're wasting your time. Reaper is 22 and in on the adult conspiracy. He has all the answers.
I knew it all at that age as well. And then I had to move on into the real world.

I love when people make this argument. All you can do is ROFL

[petegz28]

I love when people make this argument. All you can do is ROFL

Do you ever do anything besides slam other people?

[irishjayhawk]

Do you ever do anything besides slam other people?

Oh, I do. I just got finished reading a chuck of 1984. I didn't slam a single person that whole time.

Besides, does slamming someone using an obvious ad hominem actually count as slamming someone?

[J Diddy]

Do you ever do anything besides slam other people?

seems like he wasn't "slamming" just stating how ridiculous a notion that someone doesn't know anything because they aren't over the age of 30.

Following that logic, Skip would be the smartest person on the board.

[stevieray]

seems like he wasn't "slamming" just stating how ridiculous a notion that someone doesn't know anything because they aren't over the age of 30.

Following that logic, Skip would be the smartest person on the board.

its a two way street, while youth can teach the old, on the other side, views do change with more life experience, and therefore enable to also see things in a different perspective.

on a side note, I think we will se more age discrimination in the future .

[J Diddy]

its a two way street, while youth can teach the old, on the other side, views do change with more life experience, and therefore enable to also see things in a different perspective.

on a side note, I think we will se more age discrimination in the future .

I agree.

My problem is not so much of the learning aspect of it, but rather more of the "youre not old enough to have your opinion heard"side of it.

[Saul Good]

I agree.

My problem is not so much of the learning aspect of it, but rather more of the "youre not old enough to have your opinion heard"side of it.

It's not so much that younger people don't have the right to have an opinion. It's more that their opinions tend to be much more predictable. Youthful exuberance is great, but it is often accompanied by ignorance and naivety. Experience is great, but it is often accompanied by cynicism and obstinance.

The best arguments usually contain a healthy balance of both.

[irishjayhawk]

It's not so much that younger people don't have the right to have an opinion. It's more that their opinions tend to be much more predictable. Youthful exuberance is great, but it is often accompanied by ignorance and naivety. Experience is great, but it is often accompanied by cynicism and obstinance.

The best arguments usually contain a healthy balance of both.

And yet older people's opinions are exceptionally predictable.

Nonetheless and regardless of what's been said, to write someone's opinion off with that excuse is a logical fallacy otherwise known as an ad hominem.

[petegz28]

And yet older people's opinions are exceptionally predictable.

Nonetheless and regardless of what's been said, to write someone's opinion off with that excuse is a logical fallacy otherwise known as an ad hominem.

Except most people who think they know everything at 22 change their mind several times and realize they didn't know what they thought they know by the time they hit 40. And they will do the same on the way to 60, etc, etc.


If older people's opinions were exceptionally predictable we wouldn't have such stupid 22 yr olds.

[J Diddy]

And yet older people's opinions are exceptionally predictable.

Nonetheless and regardless of what's been said, to write someone's opinion off with that excuse is a logical fallacy otherwise known as an ad hominem.

It's not so much that younger people don't have the right to have an opinion. It's more that their opinions tend to be much more predictable. Youthful exuberance is great, but it is often accompanied by ignorance and naivety. Experience is great, but it is often accompanied by cynicism and obstinance.

The best arguments usually contain a healthy balance of both.

While I agree with the best arguments contain a healthy balance of both. However I'd venture to say young folks are more unpredictable. More experience generally means more conditioned to acceptable beliefs.

[irishjayhawk]

Except most people who think they know everything at 22 change their mind several times and realize they didn't know what they thought they know by the time they hit 40. And they will do the same on the way to 60, etc, etc.


If older people's opinions were exceptionally predictable we wouldn't have such stupid 22 yr olds.

:spock:

What does that even mean?

Best I can tell, you can't know anything until you've hit 40 and then you have to hit 60 before you achieve Golden Master status. Wise Grandpa at 80. Very Wise Grasshopper at 100. :rolleyes:

[irishjayhawk]

While I agree with the best arguments contain a healthy balance of both. However I'd venture to say young folks are more unpredictable. More experience generally means more conditioned to acceptable beliefs.

I was hinting at that and, of course, this notion that you can write off someone as being young.

[Reaper16]

Then, of course, are the 22 year olds that do not think that they know everything. I count myself amongst them.

[petegz28]

:spock:

What does that even mean?

Best I can tell, you can't know anything until you've hit 40 and then you have to hit 60 before you achieve Golden Master status. Wise Grandpa at 80. Very Wise Grasshopper at 100. :rolleyes:

If you don't know then you should keep mouth shut, eyes and ears open.

[Saul Good]

While I agree with the best arguments contain a healthy balance of both. However I'd venture to say young folks are more unpredictable. More experience generally means more conditioned to acceptable beliefs.

Young folks are more unpredictable in their political views? That's about as accurate as saying that blacks are unpredictable in their political views or that conservative Christians are unpredictable in their political views.

[petegz28]

Then, of course, are the 22 year olds that do not think that they know everything. I count myself amongst them.

I don't think it is a matter of arrogance. It is just part of life. There is a reason there is a saying that goes "if only I knew then what I know now...".

I am not saying you specifically are acting like you know everything. So don't go all IrishJayhawk on me.

[irishjayhawk]

If you don't know then you should keep mouth shut, eyes and ears open.

:spock:

[Reaper16]

I don't think it is a matter of arrogance. It is just part of life. There is a reason there is a saying that goes "if only I knew then what I know now...".

I am not saying you specifically are acting like you know everything. So don't go all IrishJayhawk on me.
Nah, it was alanm who brought up that little zinger, not you.

[Ultra Peanut]

Except most people who think they know everything at 22 change their mind several times and realize they didn't know what they thought they know by the time they hit 40. And they will do the same on the way to 60, etc, etc.And yet every time age is brought up on here, it's by some smug 50 year old trashing a 20-something who happens to not be stuck in an 1850s mindset.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I'm afraid you could be right. Of course Obots will hail the measure as being necessary to 'keep us safe...' ROFL

LMAO I would shit a little green apple. If Democrats ever play the fear mongering card, I'll just quit following it all together. We'll have come full circle.