Republicans shooting themselves in the foot AGAIN.

[Direckshun]

The Republicans are preparing to unveil their own "summary" of health care reform on MSNBC if you flip over soon.

This is just retarded. They forget the lessons of Newt Gingrich of the 90s and Nancy Pelosi of the mid 2000s: don't provide your own plan, just find every weakness in your opponent's plan and fire without mercy.

They got slaughtered in their opposition to Obama's budget for the same fucking reason.

Keep your eyes on this. It'll probably be a howler.

[jAZ]

Had the same thought. They seemed to have learned one important lesson from that last budget "annoucement". Don't piss off the media by over promising a "major event" and deliver nothing when they put you on live TV.

I"m sure they under-promised this time, and will over deliver... if they are smart.

[HonestChieffan]

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_090617.htm


Maybe once again you spoke too soon....

[petegz28]

Pelosi had a plan??? LMAO you guys really are suffering from head up the ass syndrome.

[PunkinDrublic]

Pelosi had a plan??? LMAO you guys really are suffering from head up the ass syndrome.

Must be why the republicans can't hold on to any power.

[J Diddy]

petey we love you

[BucEyedPea]

This is just retarded. They forget the lessons of Newt Gingrich of the 90s and Nancy Pelosi of the mid 2000s: don't provide your own plan, just find every weakness in your opponent's plan and fire without mercy.
What's wrong with that? There shouldn't even be a "plan." Who wants healthcare sovietized with a central plan? It should be criticized. I can't wait to see you ten years from now about your tax bill.

You guys forget the lessons of Hillycare which swept the Rs back in.
Don't forget the only reason a socialist won was because the Busheviks were so bad.

[jAZ]

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_090617.htm


Maybe once again you spoke too soon....

What kind of a post is this? There's 100 things at that link. None of them have to do with the GOP plan.

[irishjayhawk]

Pelosi had a plan??? LMAO you guys really are suffering from head up the ass syndrome.

Another moderate comment from pete.

[petegz28]

Must be why the republicans can't hold on to any power.

Wow...really? They controled Congress from 94-06 on and had all 3 for 6 years........


If you think the Dems are going to maintain this kind of control you are out of your mind.

And I would argue the Repubs fucked themselves as opposed to some grand plan of Pelosi.

[petegz28]

Another moderate comment from pete.

You're right...Pelosi is as middle of the road as they come. How dare I slam her and her moderate self.


you are an idiot when it comes to what it means to be a moderate.

[petegz28]

What's wrong with that? There shouldn't even be a "plan." Who wants healthcare sovietized with a central plan? It should be criticized. I can't wait to see you ten years from now about your tax bill.

You guys forget the lessons of Hillycare which swept the Rs back in.
Don't forget the only reason a socialist won was because the Busheviks were so bad.

Basically he admitted that Pelosi has no plan other than to bitch.

[BigRedChief]

The Republicans are preparing to unveil their own "summary" of health care reform on MSNBC if you flip over soon.

This is just retarded. They forget the lessons of Newt Gingrich of the 90s and Nancy Pelosi of the mid 2000s: don't provide your own plan, just find every weakness in your opponent's plan and fire without mercy.

They got slaughtered in their opposition to Obama's budget for the same ****ing reason.

Keep your eyes on this. It'll probably be a howler.
yeah their big "news" and "plan" was more tax cuts for the rich.

[petegz28]

yeah their big "news" and "plan" was more tax cuts for the rich.

As opposed to the Left's "big news" and "plan" of tax the rich more.


2 sides of the same coin. When will you get that?

[BigChiefFan]

Common sense says ADDING TAXES to already escalating insurance costs is a poor course of action.

[jAZ]

What kind of a post is this? There's 100 things at that link. None of them have to do with the GOP plan.

Maybe this is why you didn't mention the plan.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/35940-1.html

Republicans Unveil Health Plan but Are Thin on Details
By Steven T. Dennis
Roll Call Staff
June 17, 2009, 12:13 p.m.

House Republicans presented a four-page outline of their health care reform plan Wednesday but said they didn’t know yet how much it would cost, how they would pay for it and how many of the nearly 50 million Americans without insurance would be covered by it.

[wutamess]

Wow...really? They controled Congress from 94-06 on and had all 3 for 6 years........

So now it IS the Retardicans fault we're in this shit hole we're in?
Your stats not mine.

[petegz28]

So now it IS the Retardicans fault we're in this shit hole we're in?
Your stats not mine.

Never said it wasn't. The Dumbocrats can only be held for the last 2 1/2 years.

[irishjayhawk]

You're right...Pelosi is as middle of the road as they come. How dare I slam her and her moderate self.


you are an idiot when it comes to what it means to be a moderate.

What does Pelosi have to do with anything? I made no comment about her.

Perhaps you too have a reading comprehension fail.

[irishjayhawk]

Never said it wasn't. The Dumbocrats can only be held for the last 2 1/2 years.

Another good ole moderate pete comment. Man, it's getting Roy-like.

[petegz28]

What does Pelosi have to do with anything? I made no comment about her.

Perhaps you too have a reading comprehension fail.

Sure you did. When you made your stupid comment on my comment about her. Perhaps you are the one who has a reading issue?

Did you not imply I am not moderate because I slammed Pelosi, yes or no?

[petegz28]

Another good ole moderate pete comment. Man, it's getting Roy-like.

What should I have said, asshole? That the Dems bear no responsibility?

Or is my dumbocrat comment in regards to Roger's Retardican comment just that far over your head?


Dumbass

you're a fucking idiot. Anytime I don't say anything good about the Dems, though I even did partially, you come out with this shit. Go fuck yourself already.

[petegz28]

Another good ole moderate pete comment. Man, it's getting Roy-like.

What would you like me to say, dickhead? I noticed the "Bipartisan" thread was void of your bullshit. How ironic.

[Direckshun]

Pelosi had a plan??? LMAO you guys really are suffering from head up the ass syndrome.

... uh, yes she did. It was a direct repeat of Newt's plan against Hillary Clinton's healthcare overhaul.

Don't propose an independent solution of your own. Just find flaws in the proposed plan and fire without mercy.

It worked for Newt against healthcare.

It worked for Pelosi against social security privatization.

And Republicans refuse to try it here, and they suffer the consequences when they don't.

[petegz28]

... uh, yes she did. It was a direct repeat of Newt's plan against Hillary Clinton's healthcare overhaul.

Don't propose an independent solution of your own. Just find flaws in the proposed plan and fire without mercy.

It worked for Newt against healthcare.

It worked for Pelosi against social security privatization.

And Republicans refuse to try it here, and they suffer the consequences when they don't.

Tht is a tactic, not a plan.

[Direckshun]

Tht is a tactic, not a plan.

Their PLANS were to shoot down those humongous policy shifts, and they were successful.

Largely due to (wait for it...) that tactic.

Which is kind of the point of this thread.

[petegz28]

Their PLANS were to shoot down those humongous policy shifts, and they were successful.

Largely due to (wait for it...) that tactic.

Which is kind of the point of this thread.

That is a hollow plan, imo.

[donkhater]

Buc had the most accurate take in this whole thread.

The fact that the word 'plan' is being bantered around should signal that Congress (both Repubs and Dems) and the White House have over stepped their boundaries.

There shouldn't be any 'plan' coming from Washington about ANYTHING to do with something that is a private industry. It baffles me that people can't see the illogical and destructive effects government has on the economy. Yet here we are ready to learn our lesson again.

--Experience is a hard teacher. She gives the test first and the lessons later.

[Direckshun]

That is a hollow plan, imo.

You criticize the plan, I ask how successful it is.

[petegz28]

You criticize the plan, I ask how successful it is.

Well, I am one of those that says "I don't care so much why you think the other plan is wrong, tell me why your's is right?".

Any tool can sit around picking apart someone else, but to produce something as a valid alternative is much harder and most like Pelosi never do.

I give you the whole "anyone but Bush" mentality as a prime example. Bush was not the best choice. Doesn't mean Kerry or Gore were automatically better.

Or as I have said several times, just because I disagree with Dems or Pubs on an issue doesn't mean I think the other Party is right by default.


The diffenrence in you and me is you judge success by how many victories your party hangs on the wall, regardless of how hollow and the eventual outcome.

I judge success by the actual results and consequences.

[Direckshun]

No I can appreciate both approaches.

But some weapons are better used for some fights.

If I'm looking to beat universal healthcare in terms of public opinion, engaging a debate with my own suggestions rather than simply criticizing the proposed plan is a faulty strategy.

However, if I'm looking to engage you in a debate about the topic, bringing my own individual plan is a definitive plus.

[petegz28]

No I can appreciate both approaches.

But some weapons are better used for some fights.

If I'm looking to beat universal healthcare in terms of public opinion, engaging a debate with my own suggestions rather than simply criticizing the proposed plan is a faulty strategy.

However, if I'm looking to engage you in a debate about the topic, bringing my own individual plan is a definitive plus.

Except the fact is the "definitive plan" anymore is to do more bitching about the other guy.


There are no definitive plans and that is the way political parties want it. The more pawns on the board the more issues they have to rally their troops around. Fix an issue, you remove a pawn. Remove a pawn you remove a cause. Remove a cause and you remove $'s from political coffers.

[irishjayhawk]

Sure you did. When you made your stupid comment on my comment about her. Perhaps you are the one who has a reading issue?

Did you not imply I am not moderate because I slammed Pelosi, yes or no?

See, you seem to assume lots, which, of course, merely makes a fool out of you.

Dumbocrats is a good, generally reliable sign that one isn't actually a moderate but a partisan hack.

What should I have said, asshole? That the Dems bear no responsibility?

Again, did I say this? What type of comprehension were you taught?

Or is my dumbocrat comment in regards to Roger's Retardican comment just that far over your head?


Dumbass

you're a ****ing idiot. Anytime I don't say anything good about the Dems, though I even did partially, you come out with this shit. Go **** yourself already.

No, I'm merely pointing out where you claim to be a moderate yet all you seem to do is bash Democrats. I'll be the first to admit that the Democrats are an inept party and I've been forthright about the goons they have leading the Congress. (Hint: I don't like either of them.)

However, I have yet to see anything remotely close to a moderate comment from you. And that's why I continue to call you out on it. And then you continue to take the comments as a sign that its because you're slamming the Democrats and that I'm a huge liberal and therefore mad. It's much simpler than that.

[petegz28]

See, you seem to assume lots, which, of course, merely makes a fool out of you.

Dumbocrats is a good, generally reliable sign that one isn't actually a moderate but a partisan hack.



Again, did I say this? What type of comprehension were you taught?



No, I'm merely pointing out where you claim to be a moderate yet all you seem to do is bash Democrats. I'll be the first to admit that the Democrats are an inept party and I've been forthright about the goons they have leading the Congress. (Hint: I don't like either of them.)

However, I have yet to see anything remotely close to a moderate comment from you. And that's why I continue to call you out on it. And then you continue to take the comments as a sign that its because you're slamming the Democrats and that I'm a huge liberal and therefore mad. It's much simpler than that.

I just agreed with Roger on the mess being the fault of the Repubs and you say all I do is bash the Dems?


You either have not paid attention, are ignoring things I say, or are just being an idiot.

[irishjayhawk]

Well, you just agreed then.

[BigRedChief]

As opposed to the Left's "big news" and "plan" of tax the rich more.


2 sides of the same coin. When will you get that?
BS. What Obama is doing is different than what Clinton and Carter did. What the Republicans proposed is the same thing George W., George H and Regan proposed.

[petegz28]

BS. What Obama is doing is different than what Clinton and Carter did. What the Republicans proposed is the same thing George W., George H and Regan proposed.

Really? What is that? He and the Dems seem to be spending money on bullshit just like the rest. Clinton raised taxes, so is Obama. Clinton tried for Uni-Healthcare, so is Obama. Clinton turned his back on international issues, so is Obama.

[petegz28]

Well, you just agreed then.

I'm sorry, what should have I done?

I guess agreeing that the Repubs fucked things up just wasn't good enough for you, was it? Dumbass.

[irishjayhawk]

I'm sorry, what should have I done?

I guess agreeing that the Repubs ****ed things up just wasn't good enough for you, was it? Dumbass.

Again, you cannot even comprehend what's written.

Just was in italics. Meaning, I JUST saw that since you JUST agreed.

Moreover, I noticed going through again that you completely ignored the fact I pointed out exactly why I said what I said. I guess no comment means that you take it as a fair assessment.