Torture lovers: WH to release CIA Torture document on Friday

[dirk digler]

I know alot of you love talking about torture so this should be good. :popcorn:

On Friday, there may be a major development in the torture wars: The CIA is set to release portions of a 2004 report that reportedly found no proof that torture foiled any terror plots, which would dramatically undercut Dick Cheney’s claims that torture worked.

Staffers on the Hill call this report the “Holy Grail” because it contains a whole chapter on the “effectiveness” — or lack thereof — of torture.

The report has already been released (http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/052708/052708_Special_Review.pdf) in connection with an ACLU lawsuit, but much of it has been redacted — including the “effectiveness” chapter. That chapter is reported to say there’s no proof that torture foiled any plots, but the details are unknown.

CIA officials have already announced they will release more of the report this coming Friday, in response to the Obama administration’s request to do so. But now today’s Washington Post reports (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/16/AR2009061603516.html?hpid=topnews) that CIA officials are pushing to keep big chunks of the report classified.

[blaise]

Selective transparency.

[jAZ]

Selective transparency.

That's what Cheney was calling for, it would seem.

[petegz28]

I know alot of you love talking about torture so this should be good. :popcorn:

Torture Lovers?


You really can be a total asshat.

[blaise]

That's what Cheney was calling for, it would seem.

It's nice that you equate Obama and Cheney.

[dirk digler]

That's what Cheney was calling for, it would seem.

Yep
Torture Lovers?


You really can be a total asshat.

I was talking about people who love to talk about torture. Like I said in the OP

Geez

[petegz28]

Yep


I was talking about people who love to talk about torture. Like I said in the OP

Geez

You mean like you and a few others who won't ever shut up about it?

[Radar Chief]

That's what Cheney was calling for, it would seem.

So selective transparency is ok as long as its not Cheney. Got'cha. :thumb:

[dirk digler]

You mean like you and a few others who won't ever shut up about it?

Actually I usually stay away from those discussions.

But this is news so I thought I would share.

[dirk digler]

So selective transparency is ok as long as its not Cheney. Got'cha. :thumb:

This is what he was asking for.

[blaise]

So selective transparency is ok as long as its not Cheney.

Yes, and we all know what a huge part of Cheney's platform transparency was when he was campaigning as Vice President. I mean he talked on and on about how he would be so transparent when he was Vice President, and he said the days of government secrecy were over. So for him to selectively release information was unforgiveable.
In fairness to Obama, he never said anything about transparency and so we shouldn't really poke fun when he selectively chooses which issues to be transparent about.

[petegz28]

Actually I usually stay away from those discussions.

But this is news so I thought I would share.

:shake: <--- me not believing you....:evil:

[blaise]

Yep


I was talking about people who love to talk about torture. Like I said in the OP

Geez

Yes, Obama is sprinkling some more crumbs for those pigeons.

[dirk digler]

Yes, Obama is sprinkling some more crumbs for those pigeons.

I guess I don't follow.

Dick Cheney is getting exactly what he is asking for so I guess I don't see the problem. People should be happy. :shrug:

[Radar Chief]

This is what he was asking for.

Really, this specific report? Can you prove that?

[dirk digler]

Really, this specific report? Can you prove that?

They are going to release the outcomes or the effectiveness of the interrogations.

staffers on the Hill call this report the “Holy Grail” because it contains a whole chapter on the “effectiveness” of torture.

[Radar Chief]

They are going to release the outcomes or the effectiveness of the interrogations.

So no, you can’t prove this is the specific document(s) Cheney requested release of.
That’s OK Dirk, neither can I. I looked around and found the response that they couldn’t be release due to pending litigation but nothing that named the documents specifically.
Somehow I’m doubting this is what he was after though.

[wild1]

I've no doubt that they will release a single report that's friendly to their talking point. Besides, they keep bringing up torture whenever they need a distraction.

They ought to release all information related to the, what, 3 people who were waterboarded, instead of cherry-picking what they think will help politically.

[dirk digler]

So no, you can’t prove this is the specific document(s) Cheney requested release of.
That’s OK Dirk, neither can I. I looked around and found the letter requesting release but nothing that named specifically what was requested.
Somehow I’m doubting this is what he was after though.

I am not sure on the specific document but I would assume that this report by the way people describe that have seen it lays it all out and says what worked, what didn't, what terrorist activities were stopped and what kind of false information they have received.

Honestly I don't know what else anyone would need.