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irishjayhawk
06-17-2009, 06:59 PM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/06/the_oreilly_procedure.html

Bill O'Reilly has been brought low by the same process that afflicted Jerry Springer. Once respected journalists, they sold their souls for higher ratings, and follow their siren song. Springer is honest about it: "I'm going to Hell for what I do, and I know it," he's likes to say. O'Reilly insists he is dealing only with the truth. When his guests disagree with him, he shouts at them, calls them liars, talks over them, and behaves like a schoolyard bully.

I am not interested in discussing O'Reilly's politics here. That would open a hornet's nest. I am more concerned about the danger he and others like him represent to a civil and peaceful society. He sets a harmful example of acceptable public behavior. He has been an influence on the most worrying trend in the field of news: The polarization of opinion, the elevation of emotional temperature, the predictability of two of the leading cable news channels. A majority of cable news viewers now get their news slanted one way or the other.

Much has been said recently about the possible influence of O'Reilly on the murder of Dr. George Tiller by Scott Roeder. Such a connection is impossible to prove. Yet studies of bullies and their victims suggest a general way such an influence might take place. Bullies like to force others to do their will, while they can stand back and protest their innocence: "I was nowhere near the gymnasium, Sister!" A recent study of school shootings found that two-thirds of all the shooters were victims of bullying, and perceived themselves as members of persecuted minorities.
What are TV shouters telling their viewers? They use such anger in expressing their opinions. Who are they trying to convince? They're preaching to the choir. Their viewers already agree with them. No minds are going to be changed. Why are they so mad? In a sense they're saying: You're right, but you're not right ENOUGH! I'm angrier about this than you are! Viewers may get the notion that there's unfinished business to be done, and it's up to them to do it.


How can one effect change? By sincere debate and friendly persuasion? O'Reilly sets the opposite example. He brings on guests who represent the "enemy," doesn't seriously engage their beliefs, and shouts: Be quiet! I'm right and you're wrong! I stand for good and you stand for evil! I'm not exaggerating. Sometimes those are the very words he uses.


O'Reilly shouts at Barney Frank

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O'Reilly represents a worrisome attention shift in the minds of Americans. More and more of us are not interested in substance. The nation has cut back on reading. Most eighth graders can't read a newspaper. A sizable percentage of the population doesn't watch television news at all. They want entertainment, or "news" that is entertainment. Many of us grew up in the world where most people read a daily paper and watched network and local newscasts. "All news" radio stations and TV channels were undreamed-of. News was a destination, not a generic commodity. Journalists, the good ones anyway, had ethical standards.

In those days, if you quoted The New York Times, you were bringing an authority to the table. Now O'Reilly--O'Reilly!--advises viewers to cancel their subscriptions to a paper most of them may not have ever seen. In those days, if the wire services reported something, it probably happened. Today the wire services remain indispensable, but waste resources in producing celebrity info-nuggets that belong in trash magazines. Advertisers now seek readers they once thought of as shoplifters. If nuclear war breaks out, the average citizen of a Western democracy will be better informed about Brittny Spears than the causes of their death.


O'Reilly shouts at Phil Donahue




I remember radio stations that provided variety during the day. News, music, variety shows, soap operas, nighttime comedy and drama, sports. All mixed up together. At night, a sleepy-voiced announcer presided over classical music, jazz, or torch songs. On Sunday mornings, WGN in Chicago had a guy who played pop tunes on a Mighty Wurlitzer. They weren't concerned about a tune-out factor. Millions of Americans watching Ed Sullivan saw opera singers as well as Elvis and the Beatles. Orson Welles might come out and perform a little Shakespeare before the trained dogs and the acrobats. Ed introduced every act in the same tone of voice--his only tone of voice, possibly. He wasn't trying to sell us on anything. He didn't talk like it was supposed to be good for us.

Now it's "more music and less talk." Or no music and all talk. Or all news and nothing else. Or all sports talk People aren't in the habit of searching the dial. Talk radio used to feature talkers who discussed things in general. Now most of them are political. Howard Stern is one of the few smart enough to win listeners who are actually interested in whatever he happens to say. It is hard to conceive of the 38 years during which millions of people "from coast to coast" woke up and tuned in NBC for Don McNeil's Breakfast Club, "coming to you live from the Tip-Top Tap in the Allerton Hotel, high above Chicago's Magnificent Mile." They went to sleep listening to, "From the Cinegrill Lounge of the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel on beautiful Hollywood Boulevard, swing and sway with Sammy Kaye!" When I got to those cities, I made it my business to visit the Tip-Top Tap and the Cinegrill Lounge. Don McNeil was still in business, still issuing his "last call for breakfast."


O'Reilly shouts at Geraldo Rivera




Gone. All gone and almost forgotten. And the audiences gone too, those who sought companionship rather than goading. There is little comfort to be had from today's polarized shouters. They are discontented, and they think you should be, too. They inspire fear and suspicion. There is a conspiracy, and you are the target. Dark forces are at work. There was a time when ordinary Americans would have been deeply offended by the way O'Reilly speaks about their President--any President.

Sometimes O'Reilly is compared with Father Coughlin, a popular far-right radio commentator in the 1930s who fanned the flames against Roosevelt and warned about immigration and "foreigners," by which it was understood he meant primarily Jews. O'Reilly objects to such a comparison, and certainly there is no reason to consider him anti-Semitic.

But a team of media researchers at Indiana University studied every editorial broadcast by O'Reilly during a six-month period and found a similar nativist cast. Among the findings of their paper published in the Journal Journalism Studies was this one:

According to O'Reilly, victims are those who were unfairly judged (40.5 percent), hurt physically (25.3 percent), undermined when they should be supported (20.3 percent) and hurt by moral violations of others (10.1 percent). Americans, the U.S. military and the Bush administration were the top victims in the data set, accounting for 68.3 percent of all victims.
In their analysis, the researchers concluded:

The same techniques were used during the late 1930s to study another prominent voice in a war-era, Father Charles Coughlin. His sermons evolved into a darker message of anti-Semitism and fascism, and he became a defender of Hitler and Mussolini. In this study, O'Reilly is a heavier and less-nuanced user of the propaganda devices than Coughlin.
What were those "same techniques?" The Indiana team quoted an earlier study:

The seven propaganda devices include:
* Name calling -- giving something a bad label to make the audience reject it without examining the evidence;
* Glittering generalities -- the opposite of name calling;
* Card stacking -- the selective use of facts and half-truths;
* Bandwagon -- appeals to the desire, common to most of us, to follow the crowd;
* Plain folks -- an attempt to convince an audience that they, and their ideas, are "of the people";
* Transfer -- carries over the authority, sanction and prestige of something we respect or dispute to something the speaker would want us to accept; and
* Testimonials -- involving a respected (or disrespected) person endorsing or rejecting an idea or person.
These techniques, first listed in the 1930s, paint an uncanny portrait of what you can see and hear any night on the O'Reilly Factor.

Using analysis techniques first developed in the 1930s by the Institute for Propaganda Analysis, [professors] Conway, Grabe and Grieves found that O'Reilly employed six of the seven propaganda devices nearly 13 times each minute in his editorials. His editorials also are presented on his Web site and in his newspaper columns.
I wonder which one of the seven he didn't use.

A Serial Bully is defined as one who takes behavior first employed in childhood and carries it forward into adult life, at home, in the workplace, or both. Here is what the British website bullyonline has to say:

The serial bully appears to lack insight into his or her behaviour and seems to be oblivious to the crassness and inappropriateness thereof; however, it is more likely that bullies know what they are doing but elect to switch off the moral and ethical considerations by which normal people are bound. If bullies knows what they are doing, they are responsible for their behaviour and thus liable for its consequences to other people. If bullies don't know what they are doing, they should be suspended from duty on the grounds of diminished responsibility and the provisions of the Mental Health Act should apply

O'Reilly shouts at the TelePrompter




The first technique cited on the Indiana list above is Name Calling. In using this practice Bill O'Reilly reminds me of columns Sydney J. Harris of the the Chicago Daily News liked to write, containing lists of terms headed "You say" and "I say." Here are some of mine:

I say Liberal. You say Far Left.

I say Far Right. You say Conservative.

I say Biased. You say Fair and Balanced.

I say Democratic party. You say Lunatic Lefties.

I say Right-Wing Wingnuts. You say Republicans.

I say Creationism. You say Intelligent Design.

I say Environmentalists. You say Tree-Huggers.

And on and on and on. If generally neutral terms were used (Conservative, Liberal, Democrat, Republican) every discussion wouldn't be determined by the terms used to open it. That would lose viewers. Good. It would be healthier for the body politic if they just watched mainstream television.




The Indiana Study.

A valuable site about bullies.



Don McNeil's Breakfast Club. A kinescope of a live radio broadcast. Close your eyes. Don never shouted.



Thoughts?

blaise
06-17-2009, 07:34 PM
Seems like a propaganda piece to call someone else guilty of propaganda.

irishjayhawk
06-17-2009, 07:50 PM
Seems like a propaganda piece to call someone else guilty of propaganda.

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Then how would one do it?

KILLER_CLOWN
06-17-2009, 09:42 PM
What say you? Fair and Balanced? you are entering a deep spin cycle zone.

wild1
06-17-2009, 09:52 PM
I am a great admirer of Roger Ebert's work and his career. I don't see why Ebert grousing about not liking O'Reilly's on-camera manner is notable, however.

People don't want to be seen as hiding under their desks rather than going on O'Reilly's show, so they go and give evasive answers sometimes if he's tough on them. If he presses, then he's "shouting them down". If he let them go passively, he's a softball tosser. Clearly, he's not the latter. The world only has so much room for so Stephanopouloses.

So then you run a campaign like this, try to condition viewers that any time O'Reilly is raising his voice, he's wrong, which of course is as fallacious as the day is long.

It's good that there are people out there, who don't have tingles running up their legs, and are willing to be hard on interview subjects if they don't think their viewers are getting the truth. If liberals want to be given lovey-dovey interviews they can go to any other network and no one will ask anything of them.

If you don't like his style then I guess not creating threads about him and giving him free publicity would be the ticket.

blaise
06-18-2009, 07:09 AM
:spock:


Then how would one do it?

Right, so it's ok for Ebert to use most of the same tactics he denounces O'Reilly for using, because as we all know Ebert is doing it for good reasons.
And I like how Ebert tries to pretend it isn't about O'Reilly's politics when clearly it is.

HonestChieffan
06-18-2009, 07:45 AM
O'rielly is not a bad guy, he does not suffer fools and has no worry about calling them out.

Fools don't like that.

blaise
06-18-2009, 07:49 AM
I don't really have much respect for Ebert as a critic anymore either. It seems to me, especially in the last few years, he's let his political/social views influence his criticism. I don't have a specific incidence I can point to, just an opinion when I've read him the last few years. Obviously most critics will let personal feelings influence how they look at a film, but I think Ebert goes beyond that sometimes and does more agenda pushing.

HonestChieffan
06-18-2009, 07:51 AM
Ebert is an idiot.

KILLER_CLOWN
06-18-2009, 08:09 AM
Never respected Ebert, and Oreilly is a good little shill.

Messier
06-18-2009, 08:11 AM
Ebert is an idiot.

Shut off his mic! Turn it Off!

irishjayhawk
06-18-2009, 10:16 AM
Right, so it's ok for Ebert to use most of the same tactics he denounces O'Reilly for using, because as we all know Ebert is doing it for good reasons.
And I like how Ebert tries to pretend it isn't about O'Reilly's politics when clearly it is.
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Ebert is doing the same thing? Really?

alanm
06-18-2009, 11:09 AM
I am a great admirer of Roger Ebert's work and his career. I don't see why Ebert grousing about not liking O'Reilly's on-camera manner is notable, however.

People don't want to be seen as hiding under their desks rather than going on O'Reilly's show, so they go and give evasive answers sometimes if he's tough on them. If he presses, then he's "shouting them down". If he let them go passively, he's a softball tosser. Clearly, he's not the latter. The world only has so much room for so Stephanopouloses.

So then you run a campaign like this, try to condition viewers that any time O'Reilly is raising his voice, he's wrong, which of course is as fallacious as the day is long.

It's good that there are people out there, who don't have tingles running up their legs, and are willing to be hard on interview subjects if they don't think their viewers are getting the truth. If liberals want to be given lovey-dovey interviews they can go to any other network and no one will ask anything of them.

If you don't like his style then I guess not creating threads about him and giving him free publicity would be the ticket.
I haven't seen one person on O'Reilly that he yelled at not deserve to be yelled at.
Usually they need to be bitch slapped,

HonestChieffan
06-18-2009, 11:12 AM
Ebert was a big antiwar nutbag during Vietnam. He has as much credibility on politics as nothing.

irishjayhawk
06-18-2009, 11:15 AM
I haven't seen one person on O'Reilly that he yelled at not deserve to be yelled at.
Usually they need to be bitch slapped,

You must not watch much. Nor are you well versed in, what's it called, oh, civil discourse.

Ebert was a big antiwar nutbag during Vietnam. He has as much credibility on politics as nothing.

:spock:

blaise
06-18-2009, 11:19 AM
:spock:


Ebert is doing the same thing? Really?

Yes, I know it may be hard for you to see that because obviously his little rant gave you warm and fuzzy feelings, but I'm sure you can see it if you really, really try, ok?

Mr. Kotter
06-18-2009, 11:24 AM
Nutjobs, left and right, have been shouting for a long, long time. It ebs and flows, and right now....with the Republicans in disarray, it will flow for awhile. The left has Olberman and Michael Moore; the right, guys like Limbaugh and Hannity.

Just another swing of the political pendulum. The only question is whether this will be a period like the late 70s and Jimmy Carter, which led to Republican resurgence....or the Clinton years (minus the scandal, hopefully), which solidified the country as a Centrist, rather than radical or reactionary, nation. Time will tell.

And only political neophytes and ignoramuses think there is anything "new" about any of this.

jAZ
06-18-2009, 12:17 PM
O'Reilly is the most visible face of the problem, but it's a product not of ideology, but of attention span, profit motive and the Foxification of television (not Fox News, but Fox TV who started pushing the limits of acceptable outrageous tone on TV when it started making a space for a 4th broadcast network).

It generates ratings, but does a damage to the actual national dialogue.

It's definately a issue that is worthy of attention.

irishjayhawk
06-18-2009, 01:39 PM
Nutjobs, left and right, have been shouting for a long, long time. It ebs and flows, and right now....with the Republicans in disarray, it will flow for awhile. The left has Olberman and Michael Moore; the right, guys like Limbaugh and Hannity.

Just another swing of the political pendulum. The only question is whether this will be a period like the late 70s and Jimmy Carter, which led to Republican resurgence....or the Clinton years (minus the scandal, hopefully), which solidified the country as a Centrist, rather than radical or reactionary, nation. Time will tell.

And only political neophytes and ignoramuses think there is anything "new" about any of this.

I agree but as jAZ points out - OReilly is really the face of this type of movement.

It seems no one wants to have a legitimate discussion of Ebert's main point. We have ad hominem galore so far. And interestingly enough we even have "you can't point out someone doing something because that just means you're doing what they're doing" which makes no logical sense whatsoever.

I'd be interested in a legit discussion of his point if people are interested. If we need a new thread for it, I'd be happy to oblige.

googlegoogle
06-18-2009, 02:58 PM
This article is trying to hang O'reilly for the docs death.

Just stupid. Expect it from someone in the entertainment business.

irishjayhawk
06-18-2009, 03:02 PM
This article is trying to hang O'reilly for the docs death.

Just stupid. Expect it from someone in the entertainment business.

Reading comprehension fail.

BigRock
06-18-2009, 07:46 PM
Anyone interested in the credibility of studies performed by Indiana University should seek out the works of Michael "Mick" Foley, particularly his New York Times bestseller "Foley Is Good".