Oh No!!! Obo falling in polls!! Say it aint so!!

[HonestChieffan]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us/politics/18poll.html?_r=2

Reality has a way of just screwing thigs up....

"A substantial majority of Americans say President Obama has not developed a strategy to deal with the budget deficit, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, which also found that support for his plans to overhaul health care, rescue the auto industry and close the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, falls well below his job approval ratings."

Democrats are going down in 2010 if conservative Republicans make their case.
The deficit is more of a concern than health care . Most Americans are satisfied with their coverage..they don't want bigger deficits..

Obama and his liberal pals will learn that The Daily Koz does not represent the American people.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

People just aren't patient enough for Obama to fix the mess W. created.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Shocker! yet i had said Barky was the same pres reincarnated to serve 6 consecutive terms. Beware once approval ratings start slumping they will need to engineer some kind of crisis to get everyone waving the flag.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

People just aren't patient enough for Obama to fix the mess W. created.

Sorry, I know how upset people get here over that statement. Especially considering we all know W. didn't have the intellectual capacity to understand how economics worked. So let me restate, the problems that Dick Cheney and gang created.

[dirk digler]

This is nothing new if you go back and look at his earlier polls there was always concern about his policies but he was viewed favorably.

He still has 63% favorable rating and if the economy turns around that will only improve.

But with a job approval rating of 63 percent, Mr. Obama has the backing of Democrats and independents alike, a standing that many presidents would envy and try to use to build support for their policies.

[stevieray]

Sorry, I know how upset people get here over that statement. Especially considering we all know W. didn't have the intellectual capacity to understand how economics worked. So let me restate, the problems that Dick Cheney and gang created.

especially a bill BO cosponsored that protected IG's..then turned around and fired him for outing Kevin Johnson's corruption.

I really hope you aren't playing this game.

[petegz28]

Sorry, I know how upset people get here over that statement. Especially considering we all know W. didn't have the intellectual capacity to understand how economics worked. So let me restate, the problems that Dick Cheney and gang created.

Mr. Floppynut....please keep in mind that while Bush and the Repubs do bear the majority of the blame, the Democrats were indeed in charge of the Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's Admin. So they are very complicit in all of the bailouts and etc.

[BigRedChief]

This is nothing new if you go back and look at his earlier polls there was always concern about his policies but he was viewed favorably.

He still has 63% favorable rating and if the economy turns around that will only improve.
No kidding. I bet Lincoln and Washington couldn't get 60% approval ratings fighting two wars and in a recession.

We live in a 53% - 46% country. For the last 8 years its was the republicans that had the 53% and now its the dems turn.

[petegz28]

This is nothing new if you go back and look at his earlier polls there was always concern about his policies but he was viewed favorably.

He still has 63% favorable rating and if the economy turns around that will only improve.

So, that just shows that people realize his plans are bad but he is their guy so we support him regardless.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

No kidding. I bet Lincoln and Washington couldn't get 60% approval ratings fighting two wars and in a recession.

We live in a 53% - 46% country. For the last 8 years its was the republicans that had the 53% and now its the dems turn.

Wow how is the kool aid?

[petegz28]

No kidding. I bet Lincoln and Washington couldn't get 60% approval ratings fighting two wars and in a recession.

We live in a 53% - 46% country. For the last 8 years its was the republicans that had the 53% and now its the dems turn.

And the Dems are making the same mistakes as the Repubs, only worse.

[BigRedChief]

And the Dems are making the same mistakes as the Repubs, only worse.
I agree. Its always overreaching by one party that allows the minority party to resume the 54% lead.

[BigRedChief]

Wow how is the kool aid?
I was being sarcastic about the Lincoln/Washington comment. Next time I'll put in the :rolleyes: for you so you can tell.

President Obama Job Approval

Polling Data

<TABLE class=data><TBODY><TR><TH class=noCenter>Poll</TH><TH class=date>Date</TH><TH>Sample</TH><TH>Approve </TH><TH>Disapprove </TH><TH class=spread>Spread</TH></TR><TR class=rcpAvg><TD class=noCenter>RCP Average</TD><TD>6/9 - 6/16</TD><TD>--</TD><TD>59.6</TD><TD>33.2</TD><TD class=spread>+26.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=noCenter>CBS News/NY Times (http://documents.nytimes.com/latest-new-york-times-cbs-news-poll#p=1)</TD><TD>6/12 - 6/16</TD><TD>895 A</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>26</TD><TD class=spread>+37</TD></TR><TR class=alt><TD class=noCenter>NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl (http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ-NBC_Poll090617.pdf)</TD><TD>6/12 - 6/15</TD><TD>1008 A</TD><TD>56</TD><TD>34</TD><TD class=spread>+22</TD></TR><TR><TD class=noCenter>Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx)</TD><TD>6/14 - 6/16</TD><TD>1547 A</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>32</TD><TD class=spread>+29</TD></TR><TR class=alt><TD class=noCenter>Rasmussen Reports (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)</TD><TD>6/14 - 6/16</TD><TD>1500 LV</TD><TD>56</TD><TD>43</TD><TD class=spread>+13</TD></TR><TR><TD class=noCenter>FOX News (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/061109_Obama,_econ,_GM_web.pdf)</TD><TD>6/9 - 6/10</TD><TD>900 RV</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>31</TD><TD class=spread>+31</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>See All President Obama Job Approval Polling Data (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Mr. Floppynut....please keep in mind that while Bush and the Repubs do bear the majority of the blame, the Democrats were indeed in charge of the Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's Admin. So they are very complicit in all of the bailouts and etc.

Pete you should know me well enough by now to know I don't hold Democrats 1 oz less responsible for this whole mess. I think they're all fuckin assholes that have no one's interest in mind but they're own bloodlines.

[stevieray]

you know ..screw both parties..they both SUCK..and as long as the ball washers play the we aren't them mantra, it's never gonna change .

I reject both parties, i don't thnk either one has our or the country's best interest at heart.

It's all about power to them. ..we've pissed on our Constitution so much, we deserve to fall, IMO.

[dirk digler]

So, that just shows that people realize his plans are bad but he is their guy so we support him regardless.

Not that his plans are bad...yet just that they have concerns especially about the amount of money that we are spending.

If they work out and the economy, GM and Chrysler turn around then he was right. If it is the opposite he probably will be a 1-term President.

[stevieray]

No kidding. I bet Lincoln and Washington couldn't get 60% approval ratings fighting two wars and in a recession.

You're putting BO over Washington?

ROFL

Nobody can hold GW's jock. Not one.

[HonestChieffan]

This is nothing new if you go back and look at his earlier polls there was always concern about his policies but he was viewed favorably.

He still has 63% favorable rating and if the economy turns around that will only improve.

If Ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we would all have a hell of a Christmas.

[BigRedChief]

You're putting BO over Washington?

ROFL

Nobody can hold GW's jock. Not one.
Please read post #13

[Mr. Flopnuts]

you know ..screw both parties..they both SUCK..and as long as the ball washers play the we aren't them mantra, it's never gonna change .

I reject both parties, i don't thnk either one has our or the country's best interest at heart.

It's all about power to them. ..we've pissed on our Constitution so much, we deserve to fall, IMO.

Music to my ears. But I hope we wake up before we fall.

[petegz28]

Pete you should know me well enough by now to know I don't hold Democrats 1 oz less responsible for this whole mess. I think they're all ****in assholes that have no one's interest in mind but they're own bloodlines.

I know...didn't mean it that way....you're right

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I know...didn't mean it that way....you're right

No worries at all dude. I called your ass out on the carpet the other day mistakingly, we're on the same team. Accountability and action. Complacency and finger pointing has gotten us nowhere. It's amazing to me the level of tunnel vision that goes on with the average American that disables their ability to see the big picture. Which is a glossy poster size print of all of us taking it in the ass.

[wild1]

According to a Rasmussen poll, more voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats to handle the economy, by a margin of 45-39. Scott Rasmussen notes that “this is the first time in over two years of polling that the GOP has held the advantage on this issue.” Last month, he had the Democrats holding a one-point lead, but they lost it in June’s polling.

And the Democratic leads over Republicans on their core issues are also dropping. Particularly interesting is the Democratic decline over healthcare, from an 18-point lead in May to only 10 points now.

A Gallup poll also confirms that the president’s personal ratings are high, but the underlying data less so. While 67 percent of voters give Obama personal favorable ratings and 61 percent approve of his job performance (Rasmussen has his job approval lower, at 55 percent), they give him much lower ratings on specific issues.

Gallup shows Obama getting only 55 percent approval on his handling of the economy (down from 59 percent in February) and finds that only 45 percent approve of his handling of federal spending while 46 percent approve of his treatment of the budget deficit.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/13/obamas_issues_crumbling.html

[blaise]

Somebody book me a People magazine photo shoot, NOW! Get Michelle on the Racheal Ray show and my kids on Oprah! GO GO GO GO GO!

- Barry

[wild1]

Somebody book me a People magazine photo shoot, NOW! Get Michelle on the Racheal Ray show and my kids on Oprah! GO GO GO GO GO!

- Barry

No... someone hold a torture hearing! Release some photos or a report or something! Blather about some problem "we inherited from the previous administration"

[Garcia Bronco]

His approval rating has stayed roughly the same since taking office...his disapproval rating has increased.

[Direckshun]

I love Fox News polls.

They are always so delightfully kooky.

[alanm]

you know ..screw both parties..they both SUCK..and as long as the ball washers play the we aren't them mantra, it's never gonna change .

I reject both parties, i don't thnk either one has our or the country's best interest at heart.

It's all about power to them. ..we've pissed on our Constitution so much, we deserve to fall, IMO.

June 17, 2009 - 10:36 ET
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GLENN: I got a letter from a woman in Arizona. She writes an open letter to our nation's leadership:

I'm a home grown American citizen, 53, registered Democrat all my life. Before the last presidential election I registered as a Republican because I no longer felt the Democratic Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. Now I no longer feel the Republican Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. The fact is I no longer feel any political party or representative in Washington represents my views or works to pursue the issues important to me. There must be someone. Please tell me who you are. Please stand up and tell me that you are there and that you're willing to fight for our Constitution as it was written. Please stand up now. You might ask yourself what my views and issues are that I would horribly feel so disenfranchised by both major political parties. What kind of nut job am I? Will you please tell me?

Well, these are briefly my views and issues for which I seek representation:

One, illegal immigration. I want you to stop coddling illegal immigrants and secure our borders. Close the underground tunnels. Stop the violence and the trafficking in drugs and people. No amnesty, not again. Been there, done that, no resolution. P.S., I'm not a racist. This isn't to be confused with legal immigration
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Two, the TARP bill, I want it repealed and I want no further funding supplied to it. We told you no, but you did it anyway. I want the remaining unfunded 95% repealed. Freeze, repeal.

Three: Czars, I want the circumvention of our checks and balances stopped immediately. Fire the czars. No more czars. Government officials answer to the process, not to the president. Stop trampling on our Constitution and honor it.

Four, cap and trade. The debate on global warming is not over. There is more to say.

Five, universal healthcare. I will not be rushed into another expensive decision. Don't you dare try to pass this in the middle of the night and then go on break. Slow down!

Six, growing government control. I want states rights and sovereignty fully restored. I want less government in my life, not more. Shrink it down. Mind your own business. You have enough to take care of with your real obligations. Why don't you start there.

Seven, ACORN. I do not want ACORN and its affiliates in charge of our 2010 census. I want them investigated. I also do not want mandatory escrow fees contributed to them every time on every real estate deal that closes. Stop the funding to ACORN and its affiliates pending impartial audits and investigations. I do not trust them with taking the census over with our taxpayer money. I don't trust them with our taxpayer money. Face up to the allegations against them and get it resolved before taxpayers get any more involved with them. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, hello. Stop protecting your political buddies. You work for us, the people. Investigate.

Eight, redistribution of wealth. No, no, no. I work for my money. It is mine. I have always worked for people with more money than I have because they gave me jobs. That is the only redistribution of wealth that I will support. I never got a job from a poor person. Why do you want me to hate my employers? Why ‑‑ what do you have against shareholders making a profit?

Nine, charitable contributions. Although I never got a job from a poor person, I have helped many in need. Charity belongs in our local communities, where we know our needs best and can use our local talent and our local resources. Butt out, please. We want to do it ourselves.

Ten, corporate bailouts. Knock it off. Sink or swim like the rest of us. If there are hard times ahead, we'll be better off just getting into it and letting the strong survive. Quick and painful. Have you ever ripped off a Band‑Aid? We will pull together. Great things happen in America under great hardship. Give us the chance to innovate. We cannot disappoint you more than you have disappointed us.

Eleven, transparency and accountability. How about it? No, really, how about it? Let's have it. Let's say we give the buzzwords a rest and have some straight honest talk. Please try ‑‑ please stop manipulating and trying to appease me with clever wording. I am not the idiot you obviously take me for. Stop sneaking around and meeting in back rooms making deals with your friends. It will only be a prelude to your criminal investigation. Stop hiding things from me.

Twelve, unprecedented quick spending. Stop it now.

Take a breath. Listen to the people. Let's just slow down and get some input from some nonpoliticians on the subject. Stop making everything an emergency. Stop speed reading our bills into law. I am not an activist. I am not a community organizer. Nor am I a terrorist, a militant or a violent person. I am a parent and a grandparent. I work. I'm busy. I'm busy. I am busy, and I am tired. I thought we elected competent people to take care of the business of government so that we could work, raise our families, pay our bills, have a little recreation, complain about taxes, endure our hardships, pursue our personal goals, cut our lawn, wash our cars on the weekends and be responsible contributing members of society and teach our children to be the same all while living in the home of the free and land of the brave.

I entrusted you with upholding the Constitution. I believed in the checks and balances to keep from getting far off course. What happened? You are very far off course. Do you really think I find humor in the hiring of a speed reader to unintelligently ramble all through a bill that you signed into law without knowing what it contained? I do not. It is a mockery of the responsibility I have entrusted to you. It is a slap in the face. I am not laughing at your arrogance. Why is it that I feel as if you would not trust me to make a single decision about my own life and how I would live it but you should expect that I should trust you with the debt that you have laid on all of us and our children. We did not want the TARP bill. We said no. We would repeal it if we could. I am sure that we still cannot. There is such urgency and recklessness in all of the recent spending.

From my perspective, it seems that all of you have gone insane. I also know that I am far from alone in these feelings. Do you honestly feel that your current pursuits have merit to patriotic Americans? We want it to stop. We want to put the brakes on everything that is being rushed by us and forced upon us. We want our voice back. You have forced us to put our lives on hold to straighten out the mess that you are making. We will have to give up our vacations, our time spent with our children, any relaxation time we may have had and money we cannot afford to spend on you to bring our concerns to Washington. Our president often knows all the right buzzword is unsustainable. Well, no kidding. How many tens of thousands of dollars did the focus group cost to come up with that word? We don't want your overpriced words. Stop treating us like we're morons.
We want all of you to stop focusing on your reelection and do the job we want done, not the job you want done or the job your party wants done. You work for us and at this rate I guarantee you not for long because we are coming. We will be heard and we will be represented. You think we're so busy with our lives that we will never come for you? We are the formerly silent majority, all of us who quietly work , pay taxes, obey the law, vote, save money, keep our noses to the grindstone and we are now looking up at you. You have awakened us, the patriotic spirit so strong and so powerful that it had been sleeping too long. You have pushed us too far. Our numbers are great. They may surprise you. For every one of us who will be there, there will be hundreds more that could not come. Unlike you, we have their trust. We will represent them honestly, rest assured. They will be at the polls on voting day to usher you out of office. We have cancelled vacations. We will use our last few dollars saved. We will find the representation among us and a grassroots campaign will flourish. We didn't ask for this fight. But the gloves are coming off. We do not come in violence, but we are angry. You will represent us or you will be replaced with someone who will. There are candidates among us when hewill rise like a Phoenix from the ashes that you have made of our constitution.

Democrat, Republican, independent, libertarian. Understand this. We don't care. Political parties are meaningless to us. Patriotic Americans are willing to do right by us and our Constitution and that is all that matters to us now. We are going to fire all of you who abuse power and seek more. It is not your power. It is ours and we want it back. We entrusted you with it and you abused it. You are dishonorable. You are dishonest. As Americans we are ashamed of you. You have brought shame to us. If you are not representing the wants and needs of your constituency loudly and consistently, in spite of the objections of your party, you will be fired. Did you hear? We no longer care about your political parties. You need to be loyal to us, not to them. Because we will get you fired and they will not save you. If you do or can represent me, my issues, my views, please stand up. Make your identity known. You need to make some noise about it. Speak up. I need to know who you are. If you do not speak up, you will be herded out with the rest of the sheep and we will replace the whole damn congress if need be one by one. We are coming. Are we coming for you? Who do you represent? What do you represent? Listen. Because we are coming. We the people are coming.

[Amnorix]

They were so high it was inevitable they would go down. And they will likely go down for a while. If they go down too far too fast, then some of these expensive initiatives will be endangered.

I'm sure Democrats will remember 1994 all too well.

But we'll see how far they go down once the honeymoon is over. Bush's ratings were in the toilet, I doubt Obama's will go that low unless there is a second shoe to drop ont he economy.

[Iowanian]

Obama is like the guy who watched too many house flipping shows(guilty), who bought a really big project house.....

Instead of wading in with a methodical 4 year plan to complete the project, he's got the house jacked up on beams with a hole knocked in the foundation, the roof is half torn off, he's ripped out the bathroom, and started putting in drywall before he rewired.....and he's out of money.

[Amnorix]

June 17, 2009 - 10:36 ET
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GLENN: I got a letter from a woman in Arizona. She writes an open letter to our nation's leadership:


cliff notes plz.

[alanm]

cliff notes plz.Sorry it's a letter that a lady in Arizona sent to Beck the other day and he read it on his show yesterday. It's kind of long :)

[mlyonsd]

This is the one democrats need to worry about
According to a Rasmussen poll, more voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats to handle the economy, by a margin of 45-39. Scott Rasmussen notes that “this is the first time in over two years of polling that the GOP has held the advantage on this issue.” Last month, he had the Democrats holding a one-point lead, but they lost it in June’s polling.


No wonder they're set to do a speed rush on buring money.

[HonestChieffan]

Its a crisis. Round up the men. Lets spend some money till it goes away.

[wild1]

I love Fox News polls.

They are always so delightfully kooky.

The ones I quoted are Gallup and Rasmussen

[wild1]

It's incredible to me that (aside from people's desire to be part of history) BO was elected on the economy, and in 5 months he's blown the advantage his party had for years on the economy.

[Calcountry]

Sorry, I know how upset people get here over that statement. Especially considering we all know W. didn't have the intellectual capacity to understand how economics worked. So let me restate, the problems that Dick Cheney and gang created.Chris Dodd, Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, and a whole lot of scumbags who just wanted to make a bunch of fast money are also culpable. Oh yeah, while you are at it, throw in Robert Rubin, Hank Paulson, Goldman Sachs, Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke while you are at it.

You think an economy our size is steerable by one man? The buck stops here eh? THEN WHY THE FUG HASN't OBAMA FIXED IT YET? You simple minded fug.

[petegz28]

As I understand it, the NY Times even changed the headline. It was originally to be "Obama seen ineffective on economy".

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Chris Dodd, Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, and a whole lot of scumbags who just wanted to make a bunch of fast money are also culpable. Oh yeah, while you are at it, throw in Robert Rubin, Hank Paulson, Goldman Sachs, Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke while you are at it.

You think an economy our size is steerable by one man? The buck stops here eh? THEN WHY THE FUG HASN't OBAMA FIXED IT YET? You simple minded fug.

:LOL: You don't pay attention. You also only focus your attention on one group of crooks rather than both. Who's the simple minded fuck? I may be guilty, but I ain't the only one. I sure as fuck don't focus my angst against the American Republican. My focus is on the American Politician. It's pretty wide ranging.

[Calcountry]

Obama is like the guy who watched too many house flipping shows(guilty), who bought a really big project house.....

Instead of wading in with a methodical 4 year plan to complete the project, he's got the house jacked up on beams with a hole knocked in the foundation, the roof is half torn off, he's ripped out the bathroom, and started putting in drywall before he rewired.....and he's out of money.LMAO

[Calcountry]

:LOL: You don't pay attention. You also only focus your attention on one group of crooks rather than both. Who's the simple minded ****? I may be guilty, but I ain't the only one. I sure as **** don't focus my angst against the American Republican. My focus is on the American Politician. It's pretty wide ranging.Really?

Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson, Alan Greenspan, all the while, never diminishing Bush's culpability.

O.K.

time to drink some more kool aid.

[Calcountry]

They were so high it was inevitable they would go down. And they will likely go down for a while. If they go down too far too fast, then some of these expensive initiatives will be endangered.

I'm sure Democrats will remember 1994 all too well.

But we'll see how far they go down once the honeymoon is over. Bush's ratings were in the toilet, I doubt Obama's will go that low unless there is a second shoe to drop ont he economy.You see, this is our one surefire method for gaining power. When you get liberals in charge everything, they are like taking an unashamed alcoholic to your wet bar and saying, "help yourself".

[Calcountry]

I love Fox News polls.

They are always so delightfully kooky.I love Fox news babes, they are always so delightfully sexy.

[memyselfI]

People just aren't patient enough for Obama to fix the mess W. created.

Uh, no. People voted for change and did not expect to get Bush Lite after 8 years of Regular...

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Uh, no. People voted for change and did not expect to get Bush Lite after 8 years of Regular...

It was a total tongue in cheek comment. Unfortunately everyone is soooo focused on what the "bad" side is doing, they can't see the terrible coming from their own side. No biggie, it's been going on for decades. Objective thinking died in American politics sometime in the last 50 years. It's hard to say when.

[Chief Henry]

Obama is like the guy who watched too many house flipping shows(guilty), who bought a really big project house.....

Instead of wading in with a methodical 4 year plan to complete the project, he's got the house jacked up on beams with a hole knocked in the foundation, the roof is half torn off, he's ripped out the bathroom, and started putting in drywall before he rewired.....and he's out of money.

That is by far one of the best discriptions of Barry I've seen on this BB.

[Calcountry]

Uh, no. People voted for change and did not expect to get Bush Lite after 8 years of Regular...From a left wingers mindset, I can see how you may be able to see this.

It is kind of like, if you have a number line, and you go to the left far enough, like infinity, then you actually turn back into positive numbers.

That is where you start out, somewhere so far to the left, that you look out across the political spectrum, and you see Obama standing just to the left of Bush because they, as a group, are so far to the right of you, they look almost like they are standing right next to each other.

Enjoy your universe.

[StcChief]

The guy is in over his spending money like "Jimmy" .... the printing press never stops.

[MadMax]

:LOL: You don't pay attention. You also only focus your attention on one group of crooks rather than both. Who's the simple minded ****? I may be guilty, but I ain't the only one. I sure as **** don't focus my angst against the American Republican. My focus is on the American Politician. It's pretty wide ranging.



I'd have to say almost all politicians end up being crooked lil POS's...The American people are just as guilty, they keep voting these idiots back into office, over and over again. :eek: Obama has no business being Prez, sure wish I could be around to see what the history books have to say about the jerk when it's all over. ROFLROFL

[MadMax]

you know ..screw both parties..they both SUCK..and as long as the ball washers play the we aren't them mantra, it's never gonna change .

I reject both parties, i don't thnk either one has our or the country's best interest at heart.

It's all about power to them. ..we've pissed on our Constitution so much, we deserve to fall, IMO.



Exactly!!!

[prhom]

I'm curious MadMax, stevie, and Flopnuts, do you guys vote for third-party candidates?

[RedNeckRaider]

you know ..screw both parties..they both SUCK..and as long as the ball washers play the we aren't them mantra, it's never gonna change .

I reject both parties, i don't thnk either one has our or the country's best interest at heart.

It's all about power to them. ..we've pissed on our Constitution so much, we deserve to fall, IMO.

Could not agree more

[BucEyedPea]

I'm curious MadMax, stevie, and Flopnuts, do you guys vote for third-party candidates?

I haven't normally but I did in the last election. Tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. At one time that may have had some validity—not any more.

[MadMax]

I'm curious MadMax, stevie, and Flopnuts, do you guys vote for third-party candidates?


I am guilty of not voting the last 2 elections ( didn't believe either one of them ). Unfortunately this is a 2 party system, and they make so any 3rd party is a joke.

[prhom]

I haven't normally but I did in the last election. Tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. At one time that may have had some validity—not any more.

I'm glad to hear this. I have come to the same point in my voting. I voted for a third-party and tried to convince anyone who would listen to do the same. It was pretty frustrating to show people that they had more in common with third-party candidates than they did with either or the major candidates only to have them tell me that they weren't going to "waste" their vote. It was very disheartening.

[prhom]

I am guilty of not voting the last 2 elections ( didn't believe either one of them ). Unfortunately this is a 2 party system, and they make so any 3rd party is a joke.

Well, it's your perogative whether you vote or not, but not voting doesn't send a message to either major party. They just assume that a non-vote is attributed to apathy, and not a vote of no-confidence. We need someone to pull a Brewster and get people to vote for "none of the above" :) Sadly, you're thoughts are shared by more than just a few people. It's enought to make we want to become an anti-dem/rep activist with no other purpose than to convince people to NOT vote for these arrogant bastards.

[MadMax]

Well, it's your perogative whether you vote or not, but not voting doesn't send a message to either major party. They just assume that a non-vote is attributed to apathy, and not a vote of no-confidence. We need someone to pull a Brewster and get people to vote for "none of the above" :) Sadly, you're thoughts are shared by more than just a few people. It's enought to make we want to become an anti-dem/rep activist with no other purpose than to convince people to NOT vote for these arrogant bastards.




I agree wholeheartedly, like I said I am guilty. :) I would like to change that.

[prhom]

I agree wholeheartedly, like I said I am guilty. :) I would like to change that.

Good! Now go convince two more people to vote the party they truly fit with rather than which major party they disagree with less. Then they each have to go convince two more people. Everytime I hear someone say they don't want to waste a vote I hassle them, so don't take it personally.

[JohnnyV13]

This is the one democrats need to worry about


No wonder they're set to do a speed rush on buring money.

Funny how the party of fiscal responsibility always seems to be the party out of power.

[stevieray]

Funny how the party of fiscal responsibility always seems to be the party out of power.

usually, but they've spent more in the last six months than they have in the last thirty years.

major power grab through banking, insurance, corporate, and soon to be healthcare...they are going to have part ownership of everyones daily life...

Did you know that TJ orignally wrote life, liberty, and property..but was changed due to knowing that the Carolinas would use it to keep slavery legal? all our talents, our efforts and our successes are our property...and belong to us..

IRRC, it was John Adams who warned that with more responsibility, came more authority.

I'm learning more and more why it took so long for their dream to come to fruition, let alone the sheer brilliance it took to conceive.. and now appears to be slipping away in front of our eyes...

It's not left and right it's the balance between anarchy and tyranny...with great responsibilty. I think we've seen the greatest generations courage, resillence and integrity being wasted away by the ..as my father's mother used to say "too big for our britches" boomer generation...the ramifications are still ongoing..

off the biox.