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mikey23545
06-19-2009, 06:16 AM
http://www.bobgretz.com/

There was a lot that got done with the Chiefs during the last six months.

But then, there was a lot to do.

And the new regime of Scott Pioli/Todd Haley has not solved all the problems, plugged all the holes or gotten every questioned answered.

There are some things that didnít get done. Hereís the top five.

GETTING BRIAN WATERS ON BOARD

Thereís no question that Waters is one of the teamís best players. Now, that may be damning him with faint praise given the team is 6-26 over the last two years, but other than Larry Johnson, heís the only returning Chiefs player who has sniffed the Pro Bowl.

Most people consider Waters one of the teamís leaders. Now again, thatís a tainted label given the fact the team has performed so poorly in recent years. The media likes to label Waters a leader, but thatís because the guard is always approachable and always willing to talk. If heís as much a leader as everyone thinks, then he needs to start doing a better job of leading.

No matter what happened between Waters and Haley in their now famous hallway conversation back in February, that situation should be history. It appears it is not from Waters perspective. His only appearance was for the mandatory mini-camp, when missing would have lead to a fine. He showed up and was out of shape compared to his teammates. There was still pout in his demeanor.

Itís going to be very interesting to see what type of shape Waters is when he arrives in Wisconsin. Itís going to take him a lot of work over the next six weeks to get his conditioning to the level that Haley is looking for from his players.

That Waters decided to make himself an outsider during this off-season is a disappointment. Thankfully for the Chiefs, there was Mike Goff. Heís a year older and has played two more seasons in the league than Waters, but Goff was at every single off-season practice. Haley said the team honored Goff in one of their final meetings for his efforts during the last three months.

Goff has played in seven games in the playoffs over the last four years with the Chargers, who won three of those seven. In the same time frame, Waters played in one post-season game and did not get a victory.

If there was something for Goff to accomplish with this team during the last three months, there was certainly something for Waters to get done in this off-season.

GETTING MIKE VRABEL ON BOARD

Pioli/Haley believe in actions, not words. So forget Vrabelís words during his brief appearance with the team, specifically his comments that he was happy to be with the Chiefs.

Go by Vrabelís actions and his absence from all the non-mandatory work with the team says heís not thrilled by his change of address. That has to be a disappointment, especially for Pioli. Getting Vrabel at this point of his career isnít so much about production in the defense. Itís about him bringing the Patriots Way to the club. Vrabel was one of the poster boys for the way Belichick built those Super Bowl teams.

Heís smart, heís durable, heís versatile and heís a leader, or was. Certainly, he can still bring those features to the Chiefs. But the fact it hasnít happened during this off-season is a hole in the Chiefs picture.

NO PASS RUSHERS ADDED

When a team sets a new NFL record for pass rushing futility, it would figure that would be an area where a lot of attention, bodies and money would land in the off-season.

That hasnít been the case with the Ď09 Chiefs. There have been veteran pass rushers available and they did not land in Kansas City. The most recent example is DE/OLB Greg Ellis, released by Dallas who signed with Oakland.

It appears that Pioli/Haley believe a change in scheme will bring more pressure on the quarterback. If what was seen in mini-camp and OTA sessions is how the Chiefs are going to rush the passer, then they are going to rely heavily on the blitz.

Defenses that live by the blitz will eventually die by the blitz. The Chiefs need somebody to step up their game and get the quarterback on the ground.

NO PUNT/KICKOFF RETURNER IDENTIFIED

Haley makes it very plain that special teams are going to be important to him and the Ď09 Chiefs. But as the summer vacation started, they donít appear to be any closer to identifying a solid return man than they were when Haley and the staff first walked into the building.

In the public portions of practices, very little was done in the area of punt or kick returns. The one time they did work on catching punts, rookie Quentin Lawrence struggled to hold onto the football. Haley will stress ball security on special teams and heís not going to give a fumbler a second chance.

First-year guy Rodney Wright has also been back returning kicks and punts, but his experience in that area comes from Arena Football over the last five years. RBs Jamaal Charles and Dantrell Savage handled some kickoffs last year as rookies; in fact Savage had the teamís longest kick return at 59 yards.

Again, there were returners available in free agency, but the Chiefs kept their hands in their pockets. The job is wide open.

NO OFFENSIVE WEAPONS ADDED

The plus/minus scale for the Chiefs offensively did not balance out in this off-season. On the minus side is TE Tony Gonzalez, traded to Atlanta and taking with him about 20 percent of the passing game over the last few years. On the plus side would be 36-year old, 14-year receiver Bobby Engram. Heís a possession/slot receiver at the end of his career.

Whether it was at tight end, wide receiver, or in the backfield, the Chiefs needed to add another weapon for Cassel to work with. It didnít happen and that could have season-long consequences.

As proven and consistent NFL receivers, the Chiefs offense has WRs Engram and Dwayne Bowe. Thatís it. WR Mark Bradley has shown flashes, but heís not consistent and is often injured. WR Devard Darling seems to have the skills, but has never been given the opportunities. WRs Jeff Webb and Terrance Copper are journeymen types.

Cassel is going to need top notch protection because there are not many receivers available who can create plays with their speed, quickness or moves.

Skip Towne
06-19-2009, 06:25 AM
Print'em?

rad
06-19-2009, 06:31 AM
I would count Cassel among the offensive weapons added, however questionable his effectiveness.

Added:

Cassel

Engram

Goff

Subtracted:

Gonzalez

Shox
06-19-2009, 07:39 AM
I would consider LJ another weapon added on offense. He has been worthless the past couple of seasons. New coaching and GM has wiped his slate clean and it appears he could return to the LJ of a few years ago. If our Oline can just open a few holes for him he could have a strong season.

InChiefsHell
06-19-2009, 07:44 AM
wow, a very un-homerish and seemingly honest article from Gretz...

Deberg_1990
06-19-2009, 08:02 AM
Goff> Waters

keg in kc
06-19-2009, 08:23 AM
I'd care more about Waters if he wasn't a guard swiftly approaching the end of his career.

talastan
06-19-2009, 08:44 AM
Gretz: "Hey, Waters! 22 players b****!!! Quit being a pussy and show up in shape!"

Buehler445
06-19-2009, 08:52 AM
wow, a very un-homerish and seemingly honest article from Gretz...

Yes. Gretz has provided the most valuable information this offseason. Other than transactions and major news, Tiecher, Whitlock, et. al. Have done nothing of value. I never thought I'd say this but I appreciate what gretz is doing.
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keg in kc
06-19-2009, 09:10 AM
Yes. Gretz has provided the most valuable information this offseason. Other than transactions and major news, Tiecher, Whitlock, et. al. Have done nothing of value. I never thought I'd say this but I appreciate what gretz is doing.
Posted via Mobile DeviceEasier to work when the collar's off.

DaFace
06-19-2009, 09:11 AM
Yes. Gretz has provided the most valuable information this offseason. Other than transactions and major news, Tiecher, Whitlock, et. al. Have done nothing of value. I never thought I'd say this but I appreciate what gretz is doing.
Posted via Mobile Device

I do have to wonder if Gretz feels more freedom with his own blog than he had when all his articles were just posted on KCChiefs.com. It seems like he is more objective and less of a homer. He still misses every once in a while, but he's been providing the best information about OTA's hands down.

Chiefnj2
06-19-2009, 09:14 AM
"Goff has played in seven games in the playoffs over the last four years with the Chargers, who won three of those seven. In the same time frame, Waters played in one post-season game and did not get a victory."

If Waters didn't suck ass he would have carried the Chiefs on his back to three playoff victories the last 4 years. Everyone knows a really good guard can overcome Herm Edwards and a horrible defense. If Goff was with the Chiefs all those years Croyle would be a pro bowler.

Skip Towne
06-19-2009, 09:15 AM
That C.E. Wendler has been right on top of the "breaking" news.

Deberg_1990
06-19-2009, 09:18 AM
"Goff has played in seven games in the playoffs over the last four years with the Chargers, who won three of those seven. In the same time frame, Waters played in one post-season game and did not get a victory."

If Waters didn't suck ass he would have carried the Chiefs on his back to three playoff victories the last 4 years. Everyone knows a really good guard can overcome Herm Edwards and a horrible defense. If Goff was with the Chiefs all those years Croyle would be a pro bowler.


heh. This is exactly why i wouldnt get upset if Waters moves on to another team

Because hes just a Guard.

el borracho
06-19-2009, 09:48 AM
Preseason will tell us more but, as of this moment, it looks like we will have another top five pick in 2010.

Kyle DeLexus
06-19-2009, 11:03 AM
Preseason will tell us more but, as of this moment, it looks like we will have another top five pick in 2010.

Hopefully during the NCAA season a few people stand out and it will be a better year to pick top 5.

DaneMcCloud
06-19-2009, 11:17 AM
Goff> Waters

Give me a break.

Waters has been to four Pro Bowls.

Goff has been to none.

Waters is two years younger than Goff.

Goff is 33 years old and was released by a perennial playoff team.

If Goff has to line up at left guard, that's an immediate downgrade.

DaneMcCloud
06-19-2009, 11:23 AM
heh. This is exactly why i wouldnt get upset if Waters moves on to another team

Because hes just a Guard.

He's not "just a guard".

He's a four-time Pro Bowl guard.

Let's see how quickly he's replaced.

talastan
06-19-2009, 12:38 PM
He's not "just a guard".

He's a four-time Pro Bowl guard.

Let's see how quickly he's replaced.


Yep your right Dane, Without Waters how could we have won any of those playof....wait...oops. :D

BarrySPAMAID
06-19-2009, 12:48 PM
http://www.bobgretz.com/

There was a lot that got done with the Chiefs during the last six months.

But then, there was a lot to do.

And the new regime of Scott Pioli/Todd Haley has not solved all the problems, plugged all the holes or gotten every questioned answered.

There are some things that didn’t get done. Here’s the top five.

GETTING BRIAN WATERS ON BOARD

There’s no question that Waters is one of the team’s best players. Now, that may be damning him with faint praise given the team is 6-26 over the last two years, but other than Larry Johnson, he’s the only returning Chiefs player who has sniffed the Pro Bowl.

Most people consider Waters one of the team’s leaders. Now again, that’s a tainted label given the fact the team has performed so poorly in recent years. The media likes to label Waters a leader, but that’s because the guard is always approachable and always willing to talk. If he’s as much a leader as everyone thinks, then he needs to start doing a better job of leading.

No matter what happened between Waters and Haley in their now famous hallway conversation back in February, that situation should be history. It appears it is not from Waters perspective. His only appearance was for the mandatory mini-camp, when missing would have lead to a fine. He showed up and was out of shape compared to his teammates. There was still pout in his demeanor.

It’s going to be very interesting to see what type of shape Waters is when he arrives in Wisconsin. It’s going to take him a lot of work over the next six weeks to get his conditioning to the level that Haley is looking for from his players.

That Waters decided to make himself an outsider during this off-season is a disappointment. Thankfully for the Chiefs, there was Mike Goff. He’s a year older and has played two more seasons in the league than Waters, but Goff was at every single off-season practice. Haley said the team honored Goff in one of their final meetings for his efforts during the last three months.

Goff has played in seven games in the playoffs over the last four years with the Chargers, who won three of those seven. In the same time frame, Waters played in one post-season game and did not get a victory.

If there was something for Goff to accomplish with this team during the last three months, there was certainly something for Waters to get done in this off-season.

GETTING MIKE VRABEL ON BOARD

Pioli/Haley believe in actions, not words. So forget Vrabel’s words during his brief appearance with the team, specifically his comments that he was happy to be with the Chiefs.

Go by Vrabel’s actions and his absence from all the non-mandatory work with the team says he’s not thrilled by his change of address. That has to be a disappointment, especially for Pioli. Getting Vrabel at this point of his career isn’t so much about production in the defense. It’s about him bringing the Patriots Way to the club. Vrabel was one of the poster boys for the way Belichick built those Super Bowl teams.

He’s smart, he’s durable, he’s versatile and he’s a leader, or was. Certainly, he can still bring those features to the Chiefs. But the fact it hasn’t happened during this off-season is a hole in the Chiefs picture.

NO PASS RUSHERS ADDED

When a team sets a new NFL record for pass rushing futility, it would figure that would be an area where a lot of attention, bodies and money would land in the off-season.

That hasn’t been the case with the ‘09 Chiefs. There have been veteran pass rushers available and they did not land in Kansas City. The most recent example is DE/OLB Greg Ellis, released by Dallas who signed with Oakland.

It appears that Pioli/Haley believe a change in scheme will bring more pressure on the quarterback. If what was seen in mini-camp and OTA sessions is how the Chiefs are going to rush the passer, then they are going to rely heavily on the blitz.

Defenses that live by the blitz will eventually die by the blitz. The Chiefs need somebody to step up their game and get the quarterback on the ground.

NO PUNT/KICKOFF RETURNER IDENTIFIED

Haley makes it very plain that special teams are going to be important to him and the ‘09 Chiefs. But as the summer vacation started, they don’t appear to be any closer to identifying a solid return man than they were when Haley and the staff first walked into the building.

In the public portions of practices, very little was done in the area of punt or kick returns. The one time they did work on catching punts, rookie Quentin Lawrence struggled to hold onto the football. Haley will stress ball security on special teams and he’s not going to give a fumbler a second chance.

First-year guy Rodney Wright has also been back returning kicks and punts, but his experience in that area comes from Arena Football over the last five years. RBs Jamaal Charles and Dantrell Savage handled some kickoffs last year as rookies; in fact Savage had the team’s longest kick return at 59 yards.

Again, there were returners available in free agency, but the Chiefs kept their hands in their pockets. The job is wide open.

NO OFFENSIVE WEAPONS ADDED

The plus/minus scale for the Chiefs offensively did not balance out in this off-season. On the minus side is TE Tony Gonzalez, traded to Atlanta and taking with him about 20 percent of the passing game over the last few years. On the plus side would be 36-year old, 14-year receiver Bobby Engram. He’s a possession/slot receiver at the end of his career.

Whether it was at tight end, wide receiver, or in the backfield, the Chiefs needed to add another weapon for Cassel to work with. It didn’t happen and that could have season-long consequences.

As proven and consistent NFL receivers, the Chiefs offense has WRs Engram and Dwayne Bowe. That’s it. WR Mark Bradley has shown flashes, but he’s not consistent and is often injured. WR Devard Darling seems to have the skills, but has never been given the opportunities. WRs Jeff Webb and Terrance Copper are journeymen types.

Cassel is going to need top notch protection because there are not many receivers available who can create plays with their speed, quickness or moves.

Thanks Bob!! This is by far the biggest turd I've read yet. :shake:

God man, you'd think I was selling crack around here. Chiefs fans have been so demoralized over the past two years, we have nothing good to say about anything.

Pass Rush? We were running the wrong freaking scheme BOB, YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS!!!!! The Cover Two was a JOKE!! When are you going to jot this down? Take a freaking note on the matter. There was NO leadership on the defense last year. NONE.

Waters, and Vrabel on board? QUIT trying to breathe life back in to thes OLD stories. The players will be at training camp! What are you gonna do then? Say they are still crying? Cmon!!!

No offensive weapons added? Are you freaking kidding me???????????? Matt Cassel is better than ANY quarterback we have!!

That's it, I'm done. I'm sick with you Gretz. SICK.

Brock
06-19-2009, 12:58 PM
Actually, Gretz is finally writing about the Chiefs in realistic terms. 5-6 wins will be an amazing accomplishment.

Fire Me Boy!
06-19-2009, 01:06 PM
EDIT THAT SHIT GRETZ!!!

"from Waters perspective. His only appearance was for the mandatory mini-camp, when missing would have lead to a fine"

Should be an apostrophe after Waters, and "lead" should be "led."

Chocolate Hog
06-19-2009, 01:20 PM
It's funny how everyone says our WR's suck cuz this is the best WR group the Chiefs have had in awhile.

Brock
06-19-2009, 01:23 PM
It's funny how everyone says our WR's suck cuz this is the best WR group the Chiefs have had in awhile.

They're marginally better than shitty. How's that?

Reaper16
06-19-2009, 01:24 PM
Thanks Bob!! This is by far the biggest turd I've read yet. :shake:

God man, you'd think I was selling crack around here. Chiefs fans have been so demoralized over the past two years, we have nothing good to say about anything.

Pass Rush? We were running the wrong freaking scheme BOB, YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS!!!!! The Cover Two was a JOKE!! When are you going to jot this down? Take a freaking note on the matter. There was NO leadership on the defense last year. NONE.

Waters, and Vrabel on board? QUIT trying to breathe life back in to thes OLD stories. The players will be at training camp! What are you gonna do then? Say they are still crying? Cmon!!!

No offensive weapons added? Are you freaking kidding me???????????? Matt Cassel is better than ANY quarterback we have!!

That's it, I'm done. I'm sick with you Gretz. SICK.
Your homerism is so deep that its actually impressive.

Chocolate Hog
06-19-2009, 02:11 PM
They're marginally better than shitty. How's that?

Meh Engram is great on 3rd down and Bowe is a beast. If LJ is any good this offense won't be that bad. Plus we got Cassel

BarrySPAMAID
06-19-2009, 02:21 PM
Your homerism is so deep that its actually impressive.

Thanks Reaper. This is a hard gig. Sometimes, I need the love.

Brock
06-19-2009, 02:42 PM
Meh Engram is great on 3rd down and Bowe is a beast. If LJ is any good this offense won't be that bad. Plus we got Cassel

Every one of the players you name is an unknown at this point.

orange
06-19-2009, 03:41 PM
EDIT THAT SHIT, GRETZ!!!

"from Waters perspective. His only appearance was for the mandatory mini-camp, when missing would have lead to a fine"

There should be an apostrophe after "Waters", and "lead" should be "led."

:evil:

chop
06-19-2009, 06:32 PM
Not trying to pick on anyone but, why do some like to quote the entire thread topic in their response?

chiefzilla1501
06-19-2009, 06:48 PM
It's funny how everyone says our WR's suck cuz this is the best WR group the Chiefs have had in awhile.

I think the issue most have is that the Chiefs essentially swapped Gonzalez for Engram. Last year's "receivers" were the best the Chiefs have had in a while. This year is a step below last year.

milkman
06-20-2009, 09:06 AM
Not trying to pick on anyone but, why do some like to quote the entire thread topic in their response?

Because some people are dumbasses.

Crashride
06-20-2009, 09:25 AM
The sky is falling. Wheres that pic?

FAX
06-20-2009, 09:34 AM
It's funny how everyone says our WR's suck cuz this is the best WR group the Chiefs have had in awhile.

It's okay, Mr. billay. We are no longer the old, suck forever, can't do anything right, not even a bridesmaid, perennial loser Chiefs. We are now the Pioli, running sprints 'till you drop, don't take L for an answer, if you don't like it you're sleeping with the fishes, kick some stranger's ass for no apparent reason Chiefs.

Ergo, our expectations are higher.

FAX

BarrySPAMAID
06-20-2009, 02:55 PM
Because some people are dumbasses.

And some are pain in the asses, yet we all still find peace in or Chiefs right?

Actually, point taken though, just old habit.

RippedmyFlesh
06-20-2009, 05:53 PM
Give me a break.

Waters has been to four Pro Bowls.

Goff has been to none.

Waters is two years younger than Goff.

Goff is 33 years old and was released by a perennial playoff team.

If Goff has to line up at left guard, that's an immediate downgrade.
Agree but if we keep waters he would be an upgrade at right guard from last year.

EyePod
06-20-2009, 06:59 PM
I'm not as worried about the lack of a pass rusher as everyone else seems to be. We're going to a scheme that benefits the players. There's going to be a lot of deception. We won't just rush the two DE's every play like we fucking did last year.

Raised On Riots
06-20-2009, 09:12 PM
I am SO winning that bet.