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T-post Tom
06-20-2009, 11:07 AM
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Broncos become more of a mess by the day
By Ian St. Clair

istclair@wyomingnews.com

Here is a question for you: What has happened to the Denver Broncos?

If you have an answer, let me know because I have no idea. I have tried to figure it out, and I canít.

As is the case for most sports fans, regardless if theyíre Broncos backers or not.

So letís work through this with some logic and see if we can find an answer. Though it appears logic has long ago left this franchise, but I digress.

It all started when Broncos owner Pat Bowlen hired an offensive-minded guy to coach a team thatís biggest problem is defense.

Then that same offensive mind hires another offensive mind as his defensive coordinator. A guy named Mike Nolan who has failed at every job heís had.

What?

Sounds like the road to success to me.

But most fans gave 13-year-old Denver coach Josh McDaniels the benefit of the doubt.

Until the whole sad fiasco with now-Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler. Thatís a sorry story that we wonít relive here.

But whatever side of the fence you fall on with that mess, it doesnít spell ďwe have championship aspirationsĒ to your fans or to your organization.

To make folks scratch their heads once again, McDaniels trades next yearís first-round draft pick to Seattle for a cornerback that he took in the second round this year.

What?

Now comes the news that star receiver Brandon Marshall wants out of Denver.

Again, whatever side of the fence you fall on with this mess, it doesnít spell championship aspirations.

Call me crazy, but there arenít too many teams that succeed when they ship off all their talent.

Maybe itís just a new approach from McDaniels.

That makes sense since nothing else in any of this does.

Do I have to remind you that defense is still the Broncosí biggest problem?

Do I have to remind you that all McDaniels has done to fix his awful defense is hire an offensive-minded guy and bring in an old, slow safety in Brian Dawkins?

Whatís even more troublesome is how atrocious this franchise treats its players.

The most recent example is Marshallís hip injury.

On top of misdiagnosing his injury last year, Denver questioned Marshallís toughness when he insisted he was injured.

It wasnít until after the Pro Bowl that Marshall got an outside opinion which revealed that he was, indeed, injured.

It was an injury he had surgery on in March, and since then he has done his rehabilitation on his own.

Do you really blame him, given how awesome Denverís training staff was last season?

I wouldnít bring it up had it not happened before with former linebacker Al Wilsonís neck or Cutlerís diabetes.

All are instances the Broncosí training staff botched with embarrassing fashion, and all are instances in which the Broncos questioned that playerís toughness when he was hurt.

There was a time not too long ago that Denver was viewed as the model franchise in the NFL.

The Broncos used their money wisely in free agency, and they made smart choices in the draft.

And lest we forget, they won at a regular clip.

Oh, how the strong have turned Clay Aiken weak.

Now the Broncos have turned into the laughingstock of the NFL.

It is a once-proud franchise that has become an embarrassment.

What happened?

http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2009/06/20/sports/20sports_06-20-09.txt

Silock
06-20-2009, 11:14 AM
"that's biggest problem"

That passes for journalism in Wyoming, eh?

Count Zarth
06-20-2009, 11:15 AM
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LaChapelle
06-20-2009, 11:22 AM
IN-COM-PLETE

L.A. Chieffan
06-20-2009, 11:24 AM
i enjoy the donkey pile-on as much as anybody but because everybodys doubting them and dismissing them before even the season starts i fully expect them to come out and with n "us against the world" mentality and probably surprise a lot of people

Von Dumbass
06-20-2009, 11:31 AM
Not the Wyoming News!

OH NOES!

Bwana
06-20-2009, 11:32 AM
FAIL

Buzzsaw
06-20-2009, 11:34 AM
Then that same offensive mind hires another offensive mind as his defensive coordinator. A guy named Mike Nolan who has failed at every job heís had.

I didn't know that Nolan was part of Denver's staff. He was an awful HC, but it's untrue that "he's failed at every job he's had". He was DC for Baltimore for a few years. IDK that I'd call him a bad hire.

L.A. Chieffan
06-20-2009, 11:36 AM
I didn't know that Nolan was part of Denver's staff. He was an awful HC, but it's untrue that "he's failed at every job he's had". He was DC for Baltimore for a few years. IDK that I'd call him a bad hire.

not to mention the giants before that. yeah this article is pretty much trash

Skip Towne
06-20-2009, 11:38 AM
Not the Wyoming News!

OH NOES!

I'll bet the Wyoming News has 6 subscribers.

DaneMcCloud
06-20-2009, 11:43 AM
That's just horrific writing.

And Mike Nolan did a damn good job in Baltimore after the departure of Marvin Lewis. He also did well for Dan Reeves in NY (Gints).

This writer is moron.

BigMeatballDave
06-20-2009, 11:51 AM
Bad writing. Denver will better on D. Nolan is a good DC. Offensively, they will struggle without Cutler and Marshall.

Fritz88
06-20-2009, 12:04 PM
and i love it

Terribilis
06-20-2009, 12:14 PM
Damn Ian St. Clair, why the random attack on Clay Aiken?

Sure-Oz
06-20-2009, 12:16 PM
Baltimore would be sick if they got Marshall

BigRock
06-20-2009, 12:22 PM
I didn't know that Nolan was part of Denver's staff. He was an awful HC, but it's untrue that "he's failed at every job he's had". He was DC for Baltimore for a few years. IDK that I'd call him a bad hire.

Nolan's singular claim to fame is that he didn't screw up the Baltimore D. It was great before he got there. It's been great since he left. He didn't screw up the easiest job ever.

Atta boy, Mike.

FAX
06-20-2009, 12:31 PM
The article wasn't great, but let's don't lose sight of the big picture here.

The goats are committing donkeycide.

FAX

Von Dumbass
06-20-2009, 12:40 PM
Nolan's singular claim to fame is that he didn't screw up the Baltimore D. It was great before he got there. It's been great since he left. He didn't screw up the easiest job ever.

Atta boy, Mike.

The year before he became the NYG DC the Giants were 26th (there were only 28 teams back then) in the NFL in points allowed giving up 22.9 PPG. His FIRST year as DC the Giants were 1st in the NFL in points allowed giving up only 12.8 PPG.

chiefzilla1501
06-20-2009, 01:24 PM
The year before he became the NYG DC the Giants were 26th (there were only 28 teams back then) in the NFL in points allowed giving up 22.9 PPG. His FIRST year as DC the Giants were 1st in the NFL in points allowed giving up only 12.8 PPG.

Nolan's a good DC. But I'm not sure how good he is at building a program. He's been surrounded by unbelievable Front Office help his entire career. The Defense he brought to #1 in NY was one he inherited. After that season, the Giants never again ranked in the top 10. The 49ers were really the only defense that he was asked to build from scratch, and those results were less than impressive. I'm not saying he's going to fail in Denver. I think he'll do a good job with the defense. But it remains to be seen whether he can churn out a top 5-10 defense that can carry that team.

-King-
06-20-2009, 01:45 PM
The year before he became the NYG DC the Giants were 26th (there were only 28 teams back then) in the NFL in points allowed giving up 22.9 PPG. His FIRST year as DC the Giants were 1st in the NFL in points allowed giving up only 12.8 PPG.

...and after that, they went back to being average. In washington, in 2 out of his 3 years there, he had defenses in the bottom 5. He's an average defensive coordinator.

Fairplay
06-20-2009, 01:55 PM
The writer passes WPI certification.

JuicesFlowing
06-20-2009, 01:59 PM
I'll bet the Wyoming News has 6 subscribers.

At least they don't pay $109 for it. ROFL

JuicesFlowing
06-20-2009, 02:01 PM
The article wasn't great, but let's don't lose sight of the big picture here.

The goats are committing donkeycide.

FAX

The big picture for the upcoming season is that Kansas City donkey punched Denver and sent them into a tailspin. Like I said, the season hasn't even started and we've already defeated those jackasses.

FAX
06-20-2009, 02:12 PM
The writer passes WPI certification.

ROFL

FAX

Count Zarth
06-20-2009, 02:13 PM
The writer passes WPI certification.

No. We have a strict policy against any American Idol references.

Oh, how the strong have turned Clay Aiken weak.

:shake:

BigRock
06-20-2009, 02:18 PM
The year before he became the NYG DC the Giants were 26th (there were only 28 teams back then) in the NFL in points allowed giving up 22.9 PPG. His FIRST year as DC the Giants were 1st in the NFL in points allowed giving up only 12.8 PPG.

Nolan's first year in NY was 1993.

In 1990, the Giants had the 2nd ranked defense in the NFL (on a yards/game basis). In terms of points allowed, they were 1st. This would be a Super Bowl team.

In 1991, they strugged, only managing to muster up the 7th best defense in the league.

In 1992, the one year you've chosen to mention, they had injuries all over (including their top two QBs), the whole team stunk, and the defense dropped to 18th.

In 1993, Nolan's first year, they jumped back up to 5th, right in the area where they'd been prior to the awfulness of '92. But I bet the rebound was all because of Nolan. Right?

Except from there, they went to 11th (1994), 17th (1995), and 14th (1996) on Nolan's watch. By '95 they were giving up almost 10 points a game more than they were in '93.

Under Nolan in NY, a good defense became average. Under Nolan in Washington, an average defense became awful. Under Nolan in San Fran, an awful defense stayed that way.

But, like I said, at least he didn't manage to screw up a ridiculously easy gig in Baltimore. And to be fair, he managed to tread water with the Jets for a year too, but it's not like anyone's giving him work because of that. Hell, he couldn't even get a job on the defensive side of the ball after he left there.

QUICK, HIRE THAT MAN!

Dottefan
06-20-2009, 02:30 PM
I HATE DENVER

Von Dumbass
06-20-2009, 02:43 PM
...and after that, they went back to being average. In washington, in 2 out of his 3 years there, he had defenses in the bottom 5. He's an average defensive coordinator.

1992 NYG Before Nolan- 26th in PA
1993 NYG W/ Nolan - 1st 12.8
1994 8th 19.1
1995 16th 21.2
1996 10th 18.6

1996 WSH Before Nolan- 13th
1997 WSH W/ Nolan - 8th 18.1
1998 28th 26.3
1999 24th 23.6

1999 NYJ Before Nolan -9th
2000 NYJ W/ Nolan- 13th 20.1

2000 BAL Before Nolan- 1st
2001 BAL W/ Nolan- 4th 16.6
2002 19th 22.1
2003 6th 17.6
2004 6th 16.8

So Nolan's defense gave up an average of 19.4 Points per game for his entire career as a defensive coordinator. That is very damn good... Giving up 19 points per game is good enough to be a top ten defense 8 out of the last 10 years.

el borracho
06-20-2009, 03:35 PM
I wonder if we should try to pick up McDaniels next offseason... it is almost a given he will be available.

edit: as coordinator, of course.

StcChief
06-20-2009, 03:52 PM
I HATE DENVERthis.
their problems, just make me ROFL

Farzin
06-20-2009, 04:06 PM
The writer passes WPI certification.

Print em'

Halfcan
06-20-2009, 05:05 PM
i enjoy the donkey pile-on as much as anybody but because everybodys doubting them and dismissing them before even the season starts i fully expect them to come out and with n "us against the world" mentality and probably surprise a lot of people

ROFL ummm okay

you mean Fader like even

Dr. Facebook Fever
06-20-2009, 05:26 PM
i enjoy the donkey pile-on as much as anybody but because everybodys doubting them and dismissing them before even the season starts i fully expect them to come out and with n "us against the world" mentality and probably surprise a lot of people

They'll probably beat the Chiefs twice.

Halfcan
06-20-2009, 05:30 PM
They'll probably beat the Chiefs twice.

STFU-at Home? Doubtful, on the Road-Probable.

chiefzilla1501
06-20-2009, 09:16 PM
1992 NYG Before Nolan- 26th in PA
1993 NYG W/ Nolan - 1st 12.8
1994 8th 19.1
1995 16th 21.2
1996 10th 18.6

1996 WSH Before Nolan- 13th
1997 WSH W/ Nolan - 8th 18.1
1998 28th 26.3
1999 24th 23.6

1999 NYJ Before Nolan -9th
2000 NYJ W/ Nolan- 13th 20.1

2000 BAL Before Nolan- 1st
2001 BAL W/ Nolan- 4th 16.6
2002 19th 22.1
2003 6th 17.6
2004 6th 16.8

So Nolan's defense gave up an average of 19.4 Points per game for his entire career as a defensive coordinator. That is very damn good... Giving up 19 points per game is good enough to be a top ten defense 8 out of the last 10 years.

No, it's very damn good. But to a previous point, he inherited 90% of his players on the 1993 defense in New York which was an outstanding defense in 1992, except for a number of injuries on both sides of the ball. After that, the defense slipped into mediocrity. And in Baltimore, while he did outstanding there too, it also goes without saying that Ozzie Newsome and that awesome front office has built an outstanding defense for both Marvin Lewis (who is currently struggling to do the same in Cincy) and for Rex Ryan, which begs the question as to whether Nolan was the big influence, or whether it was the Ravens' front office getting Nolan unbelievable players.

Because when Nolan hasn't inherited an outstanding team and an outstanding front office, he hasn't fared well. He did poorly in Washington and New York. And he was really lousy in San Fran. In Denver, he inherits a lousy defense and a front office headed by a raw, young GM that has made several miscues already this offseason. He's good, but is he THAT good? I don't know.

Raised On Riots
06-20-2009, 10:15 PM
We're gonna' torch their asses twice, and the Faiduhs will do the same.

Denver, I have waited long to say this and have it be factual truth:

You suck ballz.

Saccopoo
06-21-2009, 01:29 AM
Nolan blew fermunda cheese in Baltimore. Took them from #2 in the league in defense to #24 (or around there) in two years. Plus his kick ass San Fran stuff of legend.

But continue leg humping McPuberty and his stellar decisions to date...

Jesus...and to think that I'd be alive when the day would come when (supposed) Chief fans would be attempting to defend a Donco coach and his appointees...fuck me running.

Raised On Riots
06-21-2009, 01:38 AM
Nolan blew fermunda cheese in Baltimore. Took them from #2 in the league in defense to #24 (or around there) in two years. Plus his kick ass San Fran stuff of legend.

But continue leg humping McPuberty and his stellar decisions to date...

Jesus...and to think that I'd be alive when the day would come when (supposed) Chief fans would be attempting to defend a Donco coach and his appointees...fuck me running.

It's the worst kind of ball-washing in all of AFC West-dom.

Smed1065
06-21-2009, 02:37 AM
If U chose to pick and chose like 1993. :)

Yes the year a coach is hired is the only basis, not players?


1992 NYG Before Nolan- 26th in PA
1993 NYG W/ Nolan - 1st 12.8
1994 8th 19.1
1995 16th 21.2
1996 10th 18.6

1996 WSH Before Nolan- 13th
1997 WSH W/ Nolan - 8th 18.1
1998 28th 26.3
1999 24th 23.6

1999 NYJ Before Nolan -9th
2000 NYJ W/ Nolan- 13th 20.1

2000 BAL Before Nolan- 1st
2001 BAL W/ Nolan- 4th 16.6
2002 19th 22.1
2003 6th 17.6
2004 6th 16.8

So Nolan's defense gave up an average of 19.4 Points per game for his entire career as a defensive coordinator. That is very damn good... Giving up 19 points per game is good enough to be a top ten defense 8 out of the last 10 years.

Raised On Riots
06-21-2009, 02:46 AM
It lives...

veist
06-21-2009, 03:46 AM
It bears repeating, Nolan ran Big Nickel as his base defense in SF.

Chiefs=Good
06-21-2009, 05:23 AM
It bears repeating, Nolan ran Big Nickel as his base defense in SF.

ROFL