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MIAdragon
06-20-2009, 06:12 PM
Mike Vrabel explained away his absence from all Chiefs voluntary workouts by saying he was "just trying to exercise my rights within the (CBA)" and that the practices were not mandatory for players.

Still, both parties would've been much better off had Vrabel attended. He's supposed to be the leader of new coordinator Clancy Pendergast's hybrid defense and is out of Bill Belichick's system for the first time this decade.
Source: Associated Press

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/home_NFL.aspx

LaChapelle
06-20-2009, 06:15 PM
Sounds like Thomas has things covered. They're both only here for a cup of coffee.

JD10367
06-20-2009, 06:17 PM
The jury's out on Vrabel. You'll have to wait and see how he shows up to camp. He's usually pretty professional, so I'm hoping he'll show up in shape, ready to play, and do his part not only on the field but on the sidelines.

And, hey, if not, he was basically a throw-in in the Cassel deal anyway. Cut his ass and move on. :shrug: He's probably only got a good season or two left in him anyway.

Bane
06-20-2009, 06:20 PM
Im worried about many more players than just Vrabel.Waters,LJ,all the recievers.Im thinking Vrabel is the least of our worries at this point.

EyePod
06-20-2009, 06:51 PM
This is the first time Vrabel has been traded. Look at Zack Thomas, he knows how it feels to be thrown around, so he knows he has to put in that extra effort. I think Vrabel will find that out too, but not on the first go.

BarrySPAMAID
06-20-2009, 07:01 PM
I think Vrabel will be just fine, and will be acting like a leader come August 31st.

KCChiefsMan
06-20-2009, 07:11 PM
we're talkin bout practice

KCUnited
06-20-2009, 07:13 PM
Players side with other players.

Mr. Krab
06-20-2009, 07:21 PM
Where's the NO Influence option?

el borracho
06-20-2009, 07:46 PM
Mike Vrabel is the next David Whitmore. "Who is David Whitmore?," you ask. Exactly.

KcFanInGA
06-20-2009, 08:47 PM
Im worried about many more players than just Vrabel.Waters,LJ,all the recievers.Im thinking Vrabel is the least of our worries at this point.

Why LJ? He's been here and been working, and that's from multiple sources. Waters I agree with you on. On-topic: Vrabel needs to show up ready to rock for camp, otherwise he really doesn't have any upside, especially when Thomas is pretty much being a defensive role model right now anyway.

Otter
06-20-2009, 08:52 PM
The jury's out on Vrabel. You'll have to wait and see how he shows up to camp. He's usually pretty professional, so I'm hoping he'll show up in shape, ready to play, and do his part not only on the field but on the sidelines.

And, hey, if not, he was basically a throw-in in the Cassel deal anyway. Cut his ass and move on. :shrug: He's probably only got a good season or two left in him anyway.

A good season or two of Vrabel is probably worth more than any linebacker the Chiefs had in the last 7 years.

chiefzilla1501
06-20-2009, 08:55 PM
Glad the AP brought up the part about Vrabel being a usual non-attendant of OTAs or that they are OPTIONAL workouts.

Making a non-story out of a non-story. It's not like Vrabel was ever a rah-rah guy. He's a guy who's going to practice and play his ass off. And he will. People will write just about anything about anybody when they're bored.

Raised On Riots
06-20-2009, 09:18 PM
Why LJ? He's been here and been working, and that's from multiple sources. Waters I agree with you on. On-topic: Vrabel needs to show up ready to rock for camp, otherwise he really doesn't have any upside, especially when Thomas is pretty much being a defensive role model right now anyway.

Herm basically ruined LJ's career with his buffoonery. Getting paid or not, I appreciate him showing up from day one and working hard while we all sit here on our lazy summer asses and hurl insults at the guy.

The Bad Guy
06-20-2009, 11:12 PM
Glad the AP brought up the part about Vrabel being a usual non-attendant of OTAs or that they are OPTIONAL workouts.

Making a non-story out of a non-story. It's not like Vrabel was ever a rah-rah guy. He's a guy who's going to practice and play his ass off. And he will. People will write just about anything about anybody when they're bored.

It should be a story.

He was brought in here for his leadership. Pioli praised it when the trade happened. I can understand the guy is pissed about being dealt, and I would respect him more if he came out and said he was pissed rather than hiding behind the CBA excuse.

He should be here getting familiar with the new staff, his new teammates and the city. No, he shouldn't be here for every practice, but he should show his face once in a while.

Raised On Riots
06-20-2009, 11:22 PM
It should be a story.

He was brought in here for his leadership. Pioli praised it when the trade happened. I can understand the guy is pissed about being dealt, and I would respect him more if he came out and said he was pissed rather than hiding behind the CBA excuse.

He should be here getting familiar with the new staff, his new teammates and the city. No, he shouldn't be here for every practice, but he should show his face once in a while.

For once we agree; this guy is pre season FAIL in every aspect. His absence combined with Goff's better example and Pioli's praise and expectations have made Scott Pioli look like a fool in this case.

You people wanna' talk about "getting paid" and "collecting a check"? Meet Mike Vrabel.
As it stands today, LJ has more clout than this motherfucker IMO.

BossChief
06-21-2009, 12:37 AM
Vrabel is nothing more than our Willie Mcginnest when he followed Crennel to Cleveland.

He will help alot with in game adjustments and the transition to the 3-4 and the transition for our ends to linebackers to be more specific. It sucks he isnt there to help in those respects right now, but real football is played and practiced in pads and the bulk of the learning will be done in camp.

I doubt Vrabel is here past this year though, unless we somehow miraculously make the playoffs this year.

He was on the last year of his contract for NE and the way they were strapped for cash, it wouldnt have been surprising if he had been released if they hadnt traded him.

Consistent1
06-21-2009, 05:37 AM
The guy has always been a player to be respected when it comes to performance. To me though, let his ass go in this Chiefs scenario. The CBA stuff is crap given the situation. If he was pissed about getting treated poorly by NE, then he should have came in here to be a leader ASAP. He could stay in shape, learn what is going on, and prove his point. I don't think he has a point left to prove other than he can still sign one last round of checks. He better dominate in camp, or I say cut his ass.

Smed1065
06-21-2009, 05:38 AM
The guy has always been a player to be respected when it comes to performance. To me though, let his ass go in this Chiefs scenario. The CBA stuff is crap given the situation. If he was pissed about getting treated poorly by NE, then he should have came in here to be a leader ASAP. He could stay in shape, learn what is going on, and prove his point. I don't think he has a point left to prove other than he can still sign one last round of checks. He better dominate in camp, or I say cut his ass.

Same as he always did.

Why change now? Explain.

CupidStunt
06-21-2009, 05:47 AM
No, he's not a good influence. Haley and Pioli want guys who think football is crucially important, and that'd be reflected in them, you know, actually turning up when the vast majority of everyone else on the team does.

Zach Thomas, Bobby Engram, Tamba Hali, Alfonso Boone, Mike Goff -- those guys are good influences.

Smed1065
06-21-2009, 05:51 AM
No, he's not a good influence. Haley and Pioli want guys who think football is crucially important, and that'd be reflected in them, you know, actually turning up when the vast majority of everyone else on the team does.

Zach Thomas, Bobby Engram, Tamba Hali, Alfonso Boone, Mike Goff -- those guys are good influences.

I agree but why would someone change now after making millions and being a "go to guy" is all I was asking and pointing out. Most here thinks he needed to change and would?

1 of 5 is bad?

We will see it on the field. "I hope"

crazycoffey
06-21-2009, 06:16 AM
we're talkin bout practice

ROFL

A good season or two of Vrabel is probably worth more than any linebacker the Chiefs had in the last 7 years.

truth

For once we agree; this guy is pre season FAIL in every aspect. His absence combined with Goff's better example and Pioli's praise and expectations have made Scott Pioli look like a fool in this case.

You people wanna' talk about "getting paid" and "collecting a check"? Meet Mike Vrabel.
As it stands today, LJ has more clout than this motherfucker IMO.

see below, dumbass.....

Glad the AP brought up the part about Vrabel being a usual non-attendant of OTAs or that they are OPTIONAL workouts.

Making a non-story out of a non-story. It's not like Vrabel was ever a rah-rah guy. He's a guy who's going to practice and play his ass off. And he will. People will write just about anything about anybody when they're bored.

Let me get this straight; He usually doesn't (at least in the recent past) show up for optional workouts, yet he still got the label of a leader??? How does that happen? He wasn't at the "OPTIONAL" workouts in New England? How can he ever be a leader on the chiefs defense if he wasn't at the "OPTIONAL" workouts?

It should be a story.

He was brought in here for his leadership. Pioli praised it when the trade happened. I can understand the guy is pissed about being dealt, and I would respect him more if he came out and said he was pissed rather than hiding behind the CBA excuse.

He should be here getting familiar with the new staff, his new teammates and the city. No, he shouldn't be here for every practice, but he should show his face once in a while.

So, you are saying that because he missed those "OPTIONAL" workouts he will probably not be leader? He "hid" behind the CBA excuse before becoming a chief, but that doesn't constitute a "NON STORY" now?

BossChief
06-21-2009, 06:49 AM
For once we agree; this guy is pre season FAIL in every aspect. His absence combined with Goff's better example and Pioli's praise and expectations have made Scott Pioli look like a fool in this case.

You people wanna' talk about "getting paid" and "collecting a check"? Meet Mike Vrabel.
As it stands today, LJ has more clout than this mother****er IMO.

Are you darthcarlsatan?

tmax63
06-21-2009, 06:56 AM
At least he's been with Pioli before and I'm sure he knows what is required as far as showing up in shape and ready to practice once TC comes. I would have liked seeing him here for the "optional' train-up sessions but too much is being read into this. I think he's too much of a pro to half-ass it when he gets here. Somebody said he's on his last year of a contract. If that is true he'll bust ass to get 1 more decent contract or if he's mentally "thru" then he'll call it quits. I think alot depends on what the defense is looking like. He doesn't want to go out riding on a 31 or 32 defense but if he sees some promise then I see him liking the challenge of helping building a decent D from scratch.

milkman
06-21-2009, 07:36 AM
Mike Vrabel is the next David Whitmore. "Who is David Whitmore?," you ask. Exactly.

I'd bet that almost everyone here knows who David Whitmore is.

milkman
06-21-2009, 07:38 AM
Glad the AP brought up the part about Vrabel being a usual non-attendant of OTAs or that they are OPTIONAL workouts.

Making a non-story out of a non-story. It's not like Vrabel was ever a rah-rah guy. He's a guy who's going to practice and play his ass off. And he will. People will write just about anything about anybody when they're bored.

Chiefzilla is Claythan and kcnut's lovechild.

I guess you're right.

Buehler445
06-21-2009, 07:41 AM
Eh, what he's doing now isn't optimal. Pioli/Haley want guys that will show up every day. That's been pretty public. It's also been public that they seem to be making an exception for him. Look at the verbiage they use for Waters compared to Vrabel.

Bottom line, it would be better if he were here, but it's hard to tell how important it is that he's here now.

milkman
06-21-2009, 07:43 AM
Are you darthcarlsatan?

Yes he is.

DTLB58
06-21-2009, 08:02 AM
Mike Vrabel is the next David Whitmore. "Who is David Whitmore?," you ask. Exactly.

The safety that Carl "insisted" be apart of the trade that brought Montana to KC. Carl said, this really made this trade happen. :eek:

I think Vrabel was much more of a player in NE than what Whitmore was in SF. And I'm guessing he will out do Whitmore in KC also.

The Bronco Rob
06-21-2009, 08:07 AM
"But the Chiefs’ bigger problem is that their best offensive lineman, four-time Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters, hasn’t made it clear he’ll play in Kansas City this season, and that leaves a gaping hole in a unit that couldn’t afford even a small hiccup."



"Waters, the Chiefs’ only remaining 2008 Pro Bowler, said he always skips voluntary workouts. He said that he hadn’t performed much conditioning work before the minicamp, and he indicated that he was uncertain about what might happen during the three months before the Chiefs’ regular-season opener."



"What the Chiefs don’t want is to begin another season leaning on a patchwork and aging group of linemen, particularly when the team is spending nearly $15 million to find out whether Matt Cassel can be its long-term quarterback."




For the rest......http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/1264275.html

ThPantherFan
06-21-2009, 08:37 AM
Please don't take any offense, because none is intended. I know this doesn't fit in this thread, but I'm having a difficult time searching your threads about Chiefs football. I tried to start a new thread but it said I didn't have that privilege. Who knows? Anyway, my question is; do you have a forum that is nothing but about Chiefs football? We have, on the carolinahuddle website a forum where we talk only about Panther football. We have a lounge for general topic discussions and then a forum for babes, etc. It appears that your forum is all mixed together in the lounge. Could someone direct me if I'm not reading this website correctly. Thanks.

chiefzilla1501
06-21-2009, 08:42 AM
For once we agree; this guy is pre season FAIL in every aspect. His absence combined with Goff's better example and Pioli's praise and expectations have made Scott Pioli look like a fool in this case.

You people wanna' talk about "getting paid" and "collecting a check"? Meet Mike Vrabel.
As it stands today, LJ has more clout than this mother****er IMO.

He skipped an OPTIONAL workout. He has always skipped them because, rightfully so, he thinks it's bullshit that teams are making optional workouts mandatory. The fact that he's skipped in the past and is still a leader in Pioli's eyes tells you that Pioli could care less. And the fact that he showed up in great shape suggests that he's not skipping because he's lazy.His teammates know he wasn't skipping in rebellion against the Chiefs. They don't care. Why should we?

Again, you are all getting mad at him for being the kind of leader he isn't. Not all leaders are mentors. Some are leaders by example by their tough attitude and the way they play in practice and in games. That's what Vrabel is. Just like Jerry Rice was. YOu're all making an issue out of a non-issue.

milkman
06-21-2009, 08:43 AM
Please don't take any offense, because none is intended. I know this doesn't fit in this thread, but I'm having a difficult time searching your threads about Chiefs football. I tried to start a new thread but it said I didn't have that privilege. Who knows? Anyway, my question is; do you have a forum that is nothing but about Chiefs football? We have, on the carolinahuddle website a forum where we talk only about Panther football. We have a lounge for general topic discussions and then a forum for babes, etc. It appears that your forum is all mixed together in the lounge. Could someone direct me if I'm not reading this website correctly. Thanks.

No, there isn't a dedicated forum for Chiefs football here.

We are a mixed up group.

BossChief
06-21-2009, 08:49 AM
Yes he is.

That explains alot!

Raised On Riots
06-21-2009, 02:51 PM
That explains alot!

Listen up, Coalition Flunkie:

With the exception of finally showing his fat, old ass at MANDATORY mini-camp, Nike Vrabels actions have been in direct opposition to statements both Pioli and Haley have laid out in regards to expectations and the overall direction of this team.

If you can't see it or understand it, I'll introduce you to Barry's Kool Aid Vault so you can wash down the Blue Pill and go back to sleep!

orange
06-21-2009, 03:13 PM
Please don't take any offense, because none is intended. I know this doesn't fit in this thread, but I'm having a difficult time searching your threads about Chiefs football. I tried to start a new thread but it said I didn't have that privilege. Who knows? Anyway, my question is; do you have a forum that is nothing but about Chiefs football? We have, on the carolinahuddle website a forum where we talk only about Panther football. We have a lounge for general topic discussions and then a forum for babes, etc. It appears that your forum is all mixed together in the lounge. Could someone direct me if I'm not reading this website correctly. Thanks.

No, there isn't a dedicated forum for Chiefs football here.

We are a mixed up group.

ThPantherFan,

Try this. Click on "Search" then "Advanced Search"
Under "Search Options" click on "Local Teams: Chiefs"
Now click the "Search Now" button.

That will narrow down the threads considerably.

Buehler445
06-21-2009, 03:28 PM
Please don't take any offense, because none is intended. I know this doesn't fit in this thread, but I'm having a difficult time searching your threads about Chiefs football. I tried to start a new thread but it said I didn't have that privilege. Who knows? Anyway, my question is; do you have a forum that is nothing but about Chiefs football? We have, on the carolinahuddle website a forum where we talk only about Panther football. We have a lounge for general topic discussions and then a forum for babes, etc. It appears that your forum is all mixed together in the lounge. Could someone direct me if I'm not reading this website correctly. Thanks.

Or you can click on the :arrow: icon beside a thread. It will show all the threads with that prefix.

JD10367
06-21-2009, 03:33 PM
I doubt Vrabel is here past this year though, unless we somehow miraculously make the playoffs this year.

He was on the last year of his contract for NE and the way they were strapped for cash, it wouldnt have been surprising if he had been released if they hadnt traded him.

He wasn't due a ton of cash, so I think they would've kept him for the last season, but he would've been a disgruntled presence. Not to mention there's a rumor that Kraft really canned him because of his player-rep position, and because Vrabel was yapping about wanting the players to get a cut of the profits from Patriot Place (the shopping center Kraft has built around Gillette Stadium).

Given his age, I can't see the Chiefs re-signing Vrabel, unless the team does well this year, he turns out to love it there, and he's willing to take a pretty cheap contract to end his career.

ThPantherFan
12-07-2013, 10:27 AM
Believe it or not, I just found how to get this far on this board. You got a good board but when I post something it is difficult to see any reply.

ChiefRocka
12-07-2013, 10:49 AM
Believe it or not, I just found how to get this far on this board. You got a good board but when I post something it is difficult to see any reply.

1.21 Gigawatts?!?

Prison Bitch
12-07-2013, 10:50 AM
WTF is this being bumped?

Chief Roundup
12-07-2013, 10:57 AM
Unnecessary bumping of threads will get you a vacation.

lcarus
12-07-2013, 12:08 PM
I forgot about Vrabel even being on the Chiefs.

Bugeater
12-07-2013, 01:56 PM
My favorite memory of Vrabel as a Chief is...ummm....errrr...

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-07-2013, 01:59 PM
My favorite memory of Vrabel as a Chief is...ummm....errrr...

Getting busted stealing beers from a casino?
Flipping off the other team during an ass kicking?
Being a locker room snitch?

He can fist a garbage disposal.