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RNR
07-05-2009, 07:00 PM
That city is way to big! We spent a lot of the time lost :shake: We got lost trying to find the hotel. We stumbled on to a casino and had a good time. I called stevieray and once again got lost trying to find his house. He drove out and met us and we followed him to his house. We hung out there for a while and met his family and some of his friends (and a very cool van although it would look much cooler painted Silver and Black :) )

I had a couple pops at the casino and a couple more pops at Steves house and thought I better bail because we wanted to hook up with Phobia and a DUI was not in the plans. So off again into the big city :eek: now it is dark and I gave up called Phil and told we would have to rain check. Less getting to Arrowhead I have no clue how to get around that dang town. Oh and the speed limit signs in that town appear to be taken rather lightly!

BigVE
07-05-2009, 07:28 PM
Sounds like you need a GPS/Garmin/TomTom thingy.

RNR
07-05-2009, 07:30 PM
Sounds like you need a GPS/Garmin/TomTom thingy.

LMAO We talked about that!

BWillie
07-05-2009, 07:31 PM
Sounds like you need a GPS/Garmin/TomTom thingy.

I live here and I don't leave home w/out it. But you are kind of right, for having a relatively low population, the greater KC area is really spread out. If I want to go to Liberty it's almost like an hour.

Fritz88
07-05-2009, 07:31 PM
Sounds like you need a GPS/Garmin/TomTom thingy.

it's a life saver.

Glad you enjoyed your time. I got lost during my first days at KC. Real lost. We have some seriously messed up traffic signs.

BigVE
07-05-2009, 07:32 PM
LMAO We talked about that!

Our first trip to KC is what made us buy one.

Dr. Facebook Fever
07-05-2009, 07:37 PM
We have some seriously messed up traffic signs.

This is the truest thing ever said on ChiefsPlanet. WTF is with the damn signs in KC!

JazzzLovr
07-05-2009, 07:42 PM
That city is way to big! We spent a lot of the time lost :shake: We got lost trying to find the hotel. We stumbled on to a casino and had a good time. I called stevieray and once again got lost trying to find his house. He drove out and met us and we followed him to his house. We hung out there for a while and met his family and some of his friends (and a very cool van although it would look much cooler painted Silver and Black :) )

I had a couple pops at the casino and a couple more pops at Steves house and thought I better bail because we wanted to hook up with Phobia and a DUI was not in the plans. So off again into the big city :eek: now it is dark and I gave up called Phil and told we would have to rain check. Less getting to Arrowhead I have no clue how to get around that dang town. Oh and the speed limit signs in that town appear to be taken rather lightly!

Sorry I missed ya this time around. Wish we could have worked something out. Glad you had fun!

Deberg_1990
07-05-2009, 07:44 PM
I live here and I don't leave home w/out it. But you are kind of right, for having a relatively low population, the greater KC area is really spread out. If I want to go to Liberty it's almost like an hour.

Liberty is considered greater KC area??

How far is the perimeter of greater KC area now? St Joe? Sedalia? Topeka on the Kansas side?

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-05-2009, 07:49 PM
This is the truest thing ever said on ChiefsPlanet. WTF is with the damn signs in KC!
One of my all-time favorites was the one that used to be over 435 south approaching the Grandview Triangle, it was three lanes wide and had arrows going in like 5 different directions. I'm assuming it's gone now since that interchange has been reconfigured.

StcChief
07-05-2009, 07:52 PM
Metro is usually ~50 miles from middle

official definition...
http://www.census.gov/population/www/metroareas/metroarea.html

Buehler445
07-05-2009, 07:53 PM
Sounds like you need a GPS/Garmin/TomTom thingy.

This. x10000000

I live in BFE. Kansas City is impossible for my honkey ass.

BWillie
07-05-2009, 08:06 PM
Liberty is considered greater KC area??

How far is the perimeter of greater KC area now? St Joe? Sedalia? Topeka on the Kansas side?

I'd say it stops at Liberty, maybe even Kearney, and then probably Gardner to the South.

Per wikpedia - "The Northland is locally referred to as "north of the river" (Missouri River) or "Kansas City North". (Often confused with Northtown, a nickname for North Kansas City) Contained wholly within Missouri, it encompasses portions of Clay County and Platte County including the northern half of Kansas City, Missouri, and the cities of Liberty, North Kansas City and Gladstone. The sharpest part of the river bend forms a peninsula containing the Charles B. Wheeler Kansas City Downtown Airport."

Guru
07-05-2009, 08:15 PM
I've always found KC fairly easy to navigate. More of my kind of drivers around there.

stevieray
07-05-2009, 08:58 PM
Coolest Raider fan I've ever met...bar none.

thanks for taking time to stop by..looking forward to seeing you guys again..


agreed on the roads, if you don't know where you are going, especially at night..:shake:

Pioli Zombie
07-05-2009, 09:11 PM
Dear God you people would never last in New York or Boston. KC is too big? This is the easiest city to get around ever.
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RNR
07-05-2009, 09:17 PM
Dear God you people would never last in New York or Boston. KC is too big? This is the easiest city to get around ever.
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Have no desire to go New York or Boston. I have been to big cities they have tall buildings and lots of people.....they can have them

RNR
07-05-2009, 09:17 PM
Sorry I missed ya this time around. Wish we could have worked something out. Glad you had fun!

We will meet up next trip :)

kcfanintitanhell
07-05-2009, 09:29 PM
When I moved from LA to KC, my parents had been living here for almost 10 years. New to the city, I had no idea how to get anywhere, and I relied on my Mom to tell me. They lived in Leawood, and whenever I asked my Mom about directions to a certain place she would tell me, "It's easy-all you do is go over and get on Lamar and take it to 72nd or 61st" or wherever I wanted to go, Lamar was the tributary, and it would take me forever to get where I wanted to go.
I finally asked my sister about Lamar, and she told me that my Mom was terrified of getting on a freeway and merging, so she just took Lamar to get to wherever she wanted to go.

Pioli Zombie
07-05-2009, 09:36 PM
For cry eye people, its a grid

Numbers west to east. Main roads like Blackbob, Pflumm, Quivera, Antioch, Metcalf, Nall, State Line, Wornall, Holmes north to south.

How can you get lost?
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stevieray
07-05-2009, 09:38 PM
For cry eye people, its a grid

Numbers west to east. Main roads like Blackbob, Pflumm, Quivera, Antioch, Metcalf, Nall, State Line, Wornall, Holmes north to south.

How can you get lost?
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you left out mission, switzer and roe...;)

..and ....Lamar...

FAX
07-05-2009, 09:41 PM
You guys have no idea. If you want to get lost in a city (with or without a GPS), try Nashville. We have roads that change names 5 times in 5 miles, roads that dead end then start again 10 blocks further on and 6 blocks North, and roads that were laid out by a drunken Indian following a cow.

Please.

FAX

JazzzLovr
07-05-2009, 09:45 PM
We will meet up next trip :)

I'm gonna hold you to that! Good hearing from you at least. :)

Phobia
07-05-2009, 09:45 PM
Yeah - wish you have made it out last night. Our block put on an amazing spread and the FW show looked professional.

PastorMikH
07-05-2009, 09:56 PM
We were in San Antonio earlier this week. Our GPS stayed lost, lucky for us I can read a map. Traffic was horrible though. I would have enjoyed the trip much more if it hadn't been for the traffic.

kpic
07-06-2009, 07:13 AM
Dear God you people would never last in New York or Boston. KC is too big? This is the easiest city to get around ever.
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Thats what I was thinking - having driven in Philadelphia quite a bit, and NY and some in Boston, the first time I saw KC I was like "man this city is tiny" - had no troubles navigating around at all.

Guess it is what you are used to, and thats probably why I loved it there (in KC) so much because it was so easy to get around.

petegz28
07-06-2009, 07:39 AM
Liberty is considered greater KC area??

How far is the perimeter of greater KC area now? St Joe? Sedalia? Topeka on the Kansas side?

Katie Horner's radar coverage!!!

alpha_omega
07-06-2009, 07:51 AM
If I want to go to Liberty it's almost like an hour.

Liberty is considered greater KC area??...



It's not that far.

I think it sounds farther than it really is. From Olathe it is a pretty good haul, but..Liberty to downtown is only 15 minutes or so, less with no traffic.

Baby Lee
07-06-2009, 07:58 AM
You guys have no idea. If you want to get lost in a city (with or without a GPS), try Nashville. We have roads that change names 5 times in 5 miles, roads that dead end then start again 10 blocks further on and 6 blocks North, and roads that were laid out by a drunken Indian following a cow.

Please.

FAX

Trivia of the day - Broadway in Manhattan was the route carved by natives accessing the southern tip of Manhattan, from their ingress at Inwood. It was originally called the Wickquasgeck Trail.

rageeumr
07-06-2009, 07:58 AM
I always thought KC was pretty well laid out and easy to get around. Not to say I haven't missed my share of turns, but being on a grid makes it more manageable. Like someone said earlier, compare a map of KC to a map of Boston....or even worse, someplace in Europe like Munich. Streets go every direction imaginable.

blaise
07-06-2009, 08:06 AM
KC is pretty easy to get around. DC was probably the hardest place I've lived in to get used to, but once you get the hang of it it's actually easy to get around.

RNR
07-06-2009, 08:10 AM
Thats what I was thinking - having driven in Philadelphia quite a bit, and NY and some in Boston, the first time I saw KC I was like "man this city is tiny" - had no troubles navigating around at all.

Guess it is what you are used to, and thats probably why I loved it there (in KC) so much because it was so easy to get around.

I guess if I was around the city some I would learn to make my way around it. I worked in Atlanta for a while and it is bigger than KC. I did all my errands close to where were staying. Any time I went into the city a guy I worked with drove. I hated it the people drove crazy and the traffic jams sucked. I liked looking at the tall buildings downtown and they have one that spins around on the top so you can see the whole city and that was cool. I would never live there way too many people. Some people like big cities but I do not. I live in Wichita and it is big enough. Here in town you have 54/400 east and west and I35 north and south and someone who has never been here can get directions and get to any part of town with little trouble. I dont like traffic and dont like crowds and big cities have both.

patteeu
07-06-2009, 08:15 AM
Liberty is considered greater KC area??

How far is the perimeter of greater KC area now? St Joe? Sedalia? Topeka on the Kansas side?

Liberty is adjacent to Kansas City. A big part of the commercial activity in "Liberty" (e.g. Walmart, Target, Home Depot, and all the various restaurants and shops in their vicinity) is actually in KCMO city limits.

If I were judging, I'd say that Liberty is the northern edge of the Kansas City metro area in the I-35 direction. The first significant farmland starts showing up between Liberty and Kearney, although it's steadily disappearing.

patteeu
07-06-2009, 08:19 AM
For cry eye people, its a grid

Numbers west to east. Main roads like Blackbob, Pflumm, Quivera, Antioch, Metcalf, Nall, State Line, Wornall, Holmes north to south.

How can you get lost?
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Yeah, I agree to an extent. Kansas City, like lots of western cities, has a pretty easy to navigate grid of streets (particularly in the core). However, the interstate system and the secondary highway system can be pretty confusing even when construction isn't a serious issue (which it is at the moment). I've lived here most of my life so it's not an issue for me, but I can understand why out-of-towners could be confused initially.

jidar
07-06-2009, 10:42 AM
KC is one of the easiest of the big cities to navigate. It's a giant grid with a highway belt around it.
If you get lost here, you don't have a prayer in most other large metro areas.

jidar
07-06-2009, 10:43 AM
Yeah, I agree to an extent. Kansas City, like lots of western cities, has a pretty easy to navigate grid of streets (particularly in the core). However, the interstate system and the secondary highway system can be pretty confusing even when construction isn't a serious issue (which it is at the moment). I've lived here most of my life so it's not an issue for me, but I can understand why out-of-towners could be confused initially.

Yeah but highway splits, and ramps are complicated everywhere. Compared to other places, KC is a pretty easy place to get around.

RNR
07-06-2009, 10:47 AM
KC is one of the easiest of the big cities to navigate. It's a giant grid with a highway belt around it.
If you get lost here, you don't have a prayer in most other large metro areas.

This has been pointed out several time in this thread. I am not a big city guy nor do I want to be. It is rather confusing to me.

Simply Red
07-06-2009, 12:22 PM
way too big, c'mon RNR, don't be silly.

Simply Red
07-06-2009, 12:24 PM
KC is one of the easiest of the big cities to navigate. It's a giant grid with a highway belt around it.
If you get lost here, you don't have a prayer in most other large metro areas.

i have news for ya', KC isn't a 'big' city.

KC native
07-06-2009, 12:31 PM
KC is awesomely easy to get around in. It's a grid and once you learn the major cross streets you can get just about anywhere without hitting a freeway.

Dallas-Fort Worth is a nightmare. Only the downtown areas are grids. The interstates have about the worst signage I've ever seen and give almost no warning (I35W to I30 West is a perfect example). Fort Worth is worse than dallas as it's a city comprised of different little "towns" (basically different areas connected by curvy roads with very little ability to take alternate routes). Roads change directions and names several times and depending on who is giving you directions it can be quite confusing.

RNR
07-06-2009, 12:42 PM
KC is awesomely easy to get around in. It's a grid and once you learn the major cross streets you can get just about anywhere without hitting a freeway.

Dallas-Fort Worth is a nightmare. Only the downtown areas are grids. The interstates have about the worst signage I've ever seen and give almost no warning (I35W to I30 West is a perfect example). Fort Worth is worse than dallas as it's a city comprised of different little "towns" (basically different areas connected by curvy roads with very little ability to take alternate routes). Roads change directions and names several times and depending on who is giving you directions it can be quite confusing.

We have found something we agree on. That place is unreal. That said KC is pretty confusing to me. I was only there sat and sun this time and have never been there long enough to catch on. And I have read many who think different but KC is too big for my taste.

BigOlChiefsfan
07-06-2009, 01:16 PM
KC, Wichita, Dallas, Houston and Oklahoma City have more flatland than they need. They sprawl. Ok City is probably the largest city, per capita, of any town in America. Not necessarily hard to find your way around, but if you screw up it's 5-10 minutes to turn around and go back, and $2 in gas. Do that a few times thru the "let's rob this guy" neighborhoods in any city and GPS's are suddenly pretty cheap insurance.

When I was living in Houston and visiting my friends back here in KC, I'd try to arrange for everyone I wanted to see to rendesvous at a cafe or bar late in the afternoon. These days I try to rendesvous with folks at Cabela's or Bass Pro (since most of the people who visit me want to visit Cabela's/Bass Pro as part of any KC Trip) and then go eat BBQ or drink someplace nearby. Stores that are interstate-visible, sell guns/knives and are located near BBQ/beer make my short list.

|Zach|
07-06-2009, 01:18 PM
Even the greater KC area seems a reasonable distance. I don't think any of this is really that spread out when you are talking about grouping in cities that are independent of themselves. BWillie, ever been in and around Houston?

CoMoChief
07-06-2009, 01:29 PM
Dallas Ft Worth is fucking insane. Worse than Chicago. Actually Chicago is pretty easy for as big as it is. It just takes time because there are a lot of people and traffic is a fucking nightmare.

blaise
07-06-2009, 01:30 PM
I lived in Houston for 3 years. Everything's spread out and traffic around the clock. The other thing that sucked was the traffic lights seemed to go out all the time, so you had to treat it as a four way stop. On busy streets it would back traffic up for miles.
Red light running down there is crazy too. People will go through like 5 seconds after it's red. Totally crappy city for driving.

Gonzo
07-06-2009, 01:31 PM
http://wagthedog.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/beverly-hillbillies.jpg

Frazod
07-06-2009, 01:40 PM
The worst city I've driven in is Boston. Good God, what a mess. Washington and New York are right up there, too.

RNR
07-06-2009, 01:42 PM
http://wagthedog.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/beverly-hillbillies.jpg

I think posting pictures of my family on the internet is out of line take it down now!

blaise
07-06-2009, 01:49 PM
The worst city I've driven in is Boston. Good God, what a mess. Washington and New York are right up there, too.

I never minded NY, especially Manhattan. It's hard to get too lost because of the numbered streets and avenues. If you go into the other boroughs it's a different story. It sucks paying for the tunnels and bridges too.

Valiant
07-06-2009, 01:52 PM
That city is way to big! We spent a lot of the time lost :shake: We got lost trying to find the hotel. We stumbled on to a casino and had a good time. I called stevieray and once again got lost trying to find his house. He drove out and met us and we followed him to his house. We hung out there for a while and met his family and some of his friends (and a very cool van although it would look much cooler painted Silver and Black :) )

I had a couple pops at the casino and a couple more pops at Steves house and thought I better bail because we wanted to hook up with Phobia and a DUI was not in the plans. So off again into the big city :eek: now it is dark and I gave up called Phil and told we would have to rain check. Less getting to Arrowhead I have no clue how to get around that dang town. Oh and the speed limit signs in that town appear to be taken rather lightly!

Yeah now you know why we hate Kansas drivers so much, they do about 10 under the speed limit in the left lane..

RNR
07-06-2009, 01:54 PM
Yeah now you know why we hate Kansas drivers so much, they do about 10 under the speed limit in the left lane..

I know, I know if you are are not going 90 get the heck out of the way.

Frazod
07-06-2009, 01:59 PM
I never minded NY, especially Manhattan. It's hard to get too lost because of the numbered streets and avenues. If you go into the other boroughs it's a different story. It sucks paying for the tunnels and bridges too.

It's been a long time since I've been out there, but I doubt if it's improved once. I was working at my old company's office in Midtown and a friend picked me up and we drove to Yankee Stadium. It was raining like hell which snarled traffic worse that normal, and it took us 2 1/2 hours to get there. We literally could have walked it faster. Only advantage to the car was we stayed dry.

At least the rain delayed the start of the game so we didn't miss anything.

JOhn
07-06-2009, 02:03 PM
I know, I know if you are are not going 90 get the heck out of the way.

Yea I forgot about the drivers when I went back to KC in May. I drive fast for this area, but put me in KC and I'm the slow driver(only 10mph over the limit)

CoMoChief
07-06-2009, 02:04 PM
I've never been to the east coast outside of GA and FL.

I've heard though that Boston is just a nightmare.

Frazod
07-06-2009, 02:08 PM
I've never been to the east coast outside of GA and FL.

I've heard though that Boston is just a nightmare.

Yes. Narrow, one way streets (with no apparent logic to which direction cross or parallel streets travel). Streets can wind, dead end, and of course there is nowhere to park and a ton of traffic. Probably wasn't an issue on horseback 300 years ago, but it sure sucks ass now.

Pioli Zombie
07-06-2009, 02:10 PM
The worst city I've driven in is Boston. Good God, what a mess. Washington and New York are right up there, too.

I lived in Massachusetts almost my entire life and if I had to go into the city I'd park and take the subway in. Its a GREAT walking and public transit city. But you have to be nuts to drive in it unless you had to.
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Frazod
07-06-2009, 02:17 PM
I lived in Massachusetts almost my entire life and if I had to go into the city I'd park and take the subway in. Its a GREAT walking and public transit city. But you have to be nuts to drive in it unless you had to.
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Didn't know any better at the time. That was before I became "urbanized."

Not a mistake I'll make again.

BigMeatballDave
07-06-2009, 05:24 PM
One of my all-time favorites was the one that used to be over 435 south approaching the Grandview Triangle, it was three lanes wide and had arrows going in like 5 different directions. I'm assuming it's gone now since that interchange has been reconfigured.OMG I remember that area. That was a giant clusterfuck. Last time I was there was in 2002, is that finished?

BigMeatballDave
07-06-2009, 05:26 PM
I've always found KC fairly easy to navigate. More of my kind of drivers around there.Yeah, when I lived there is the 90s, I never had any problems getting around.

Skip Towne
07-06-2009, 05:28 PM
I lived in KC in the 60's. Everything is different now.

BigMeatballDave
07-06-2009, 05:29 PM
Numbers west to east. Main roads like Blackbob, Pflumm, Quivera, Antioch, Metcalf, Nall, State Line, Wornall, Holmes north to south.

How can you get lost?
Posted via Mobile DeviceWow. I haven't heard those names in quite some time. I really miss it...

Bearcat
07-06-2009, 05:32 PM
Well, assuming he hasn't moved in the past few years, stevieray lives in the same neighborhood I grew up in, and no one can find it their first time without GPS. Even ordering pizza was a pain in the ass, because they would spend 30 minutes trying to find it before calling for directions, and we would end up getting it an hour late. It's definitely off that super-easy grid everyone talks about.

BigMeatballDave
07-06-2009, 05:37 PM
I remember the Phoenix area is like a giant grid, too. Mesa, Tempe, Scottsdale, etc...

Skip Towne
07-06-2009, 05:48 PM
Tulsa is also easy to navigate. Downtown the street names are in alphabetical order and are names of US cities. Going east from Main are eastern cities, Boston, Cincinnati, Detroit, Elgin etc. Going west they are Boulder, Cheyenne, Denver, Elwood, etc. Somebody was really thinking.

Bearcat
07-06-2009, 06:14 PM
KC is pretty easy to get around. DC was probably the hardest place I've lived in to get used to, but once you get the hang of it it's actually easy to get around.

Someone described DC to me as 'it's easy.. numbers go one way, letters/names go the other way, and states go another way', and I though 'that does sound easy... wait, what's the "another way" :spock: ".

Stupid French.

patteeu
07-06-2009, 06:20 PM
Tulsa is also easy to navigate. Downtown the street names are in alphabetical order and are names of US cities. Going east from Main are eastern cities, Boston, Cincinnati, Detroit, Elgin etc. Going west they are Boulder, Cheyenne, Denver, Elwood, etc. Somebody was really thinking.

Austin, Texas has a neat Tex-o-centric scheme for the north/south streets in their central grid. The streets are named after Texas rivers with the eastern most street named after the Red River (the river on the northern border of the state and the western most street named after the Rio Grande (the river on the southern border of the state). From east to west, the streets are named for rivers that are geographically situated north to south. It's not that helpful unless you know Texas geography so it's a bit less accessible than the city scheme you've described.

Pioli Zombie
07-06-2009, 09:11 PM
Wow. I haven't heard those names in quite some time. I really miss it...

Blue Ridge. Red Bridge. Roe. Neiman. Ward Parkway. Grandview. Johnson Drive. Renner. Mur-Len. Strangline College Blvd, Broadway. Shawnee Mission Blvd.

That'll be $25.
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BigMeatballDave
07-06-2009, 09:25 PM
Blue Ridge.

That'll be $25.
Posted via Mobile Device:D Back in '93 I lived in some apartments on Blue Ridge, between Wornall and Holmes. In the 'Martin City' area. I was working at a Nursing Home on Wornall at the time. Fun times...

Pioli Zombie
07-06-2009, 09:35 PM
:D Back in '93 I lived in some apartments on Blue Ridge, between Wornall and Holmes. In the 'Martin City' area. I was working at a Nursing Home on Wornall at the time. Fun times...

There is the coolest house on the corner of Blue Ridge and Wornall. Looks like a kids park with a pond and animals etc. I drive the kids past it when I can they love to see it.
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Bacon Cheeseburger
07-06-2009, 09:36 PM
OMG I remember that area. That was a giant cluster****. Last time I was there was in 2002, is that finished?
Not sure, I haven't been down that way since '04.

RNR
07-07-2009, 07:12 AM
Well, assuming he hasn't moved in the past few years, stevieray lives in the same neighborhood I grew up in, and no one can find it their first time without GPS. Even ordering pizza was a pain in the ass, because they would spend 30 minutes trying to find it before calling for directions, and we would end up getting it an hour late. It's definitely off that super-easy grid everyone talks about.

He told me he has had trouble with it for five years. I also have this strange gift. Every time I decide to wing it and cruise around and check out a big city I end up lost in the wrong end of town. Once again I found myself asking a convenience store clerk for directions through bullet proof glass.I will have a GPS next time

Baby Lee
07-07-2009, 08:04 AM
OMG I remember that area. That was a giant clusterfuck. Last time I was there was in 2002, is that finished?

Triangle itself is pretty much done. They're still upgrading ancillaries, mostly 71 Hwy down by 150 highway and the Y highway interchange.
In the near future is development of the Wizards' soccer park.

Frazod
07-07-2009, 08:09 AM
Someone described DC to me as 'it's easy.. numbers go one way, letters/names go the other way, and states go another way', and I though 'that does sound easy... wait, what's the "another way" :spock: ".

Stupid French.

Apparently it all makes perfect sense if you're a mason.