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Micjones
07-09-2009, 04:41 PM
The last week of June I took a week off from my regular 925 to lead a summer camp for a local Community Arts School. At the end of the week, over the weekend, I taught my annual elective course for a summer high school program for students entering college (at a local university).

My commitment to the former has been in the books for two weeks (tomorrow).
My commitment to the latter for about a week and a half.

Currently I have not received payment from either organization.

Tonight...I am scheduled to perform for the talent show and closing ceremonies at the local university for the latter. I'm seriously considering pulling out of it. For a number of reasons:

1. Because my best friend, and local DJ, providing the entertainment this evening has been told he will be paid for his services TONIGHT. Mind you, tonight's performance is his lone obligation to the school and somehow they were able to ready a check for him...the same night. In my case I've been waiting 11 days.

2. Because tonight's performance at the university, where I'm concerned, is completely unpaid.

3. Because I lost out on an opportunity to do a PAID gig because of this commitment. I end up losing on all sides (financially).

As for the Community Arts School... I'm scheduled to lead another camp all of next week (which will require another week off from the 925). Supposedly, my check from the initial camp will be ready tomorrow, but the odds of me getting it before it goes out at the EOB are slim. I do have another day job. And they (the Arts school) seem unwilling to be flexible or to allow me to pick it up tomorrow morning. So again... I run the risk of beginning Monday's camp without having been paid for the last one.

I hate being this upset over money, but... It's kind of a big deal.
I have bills to pay, I need new tires, my refrigerator has shelves in it and I have about a quarter-tank of gas.
I'm not going to pull out of the camp, but I'm strongly considering going home and shaking my commitment to the university's program (I will at least call them and alert them).

My question to you is simple...
Would I be an asshole for doing so?

And let me just steal your thunder now...
"You're an asshole anyway." Wocka wocka!
Get on to the advice!

rockymtnchief
07-09-2009, 04:46 PM
I hate when I have to pull out!

Buck
07-09-2009, 04:52 PM
Wait, you volunteered right? Did you ask for money first and they said no?

Mr. Wizard
07-09-2009, 04:53 PM
Mr Wizard says - fulfill your obligations, only then can you expect others to fulfill their obligations.
Go calmly talk with the business office where you are waiting for payment and ask for the boss. Let him/her know your issues calmly.
Its the professional way to go, I know it sucks BUT a burnt bridge can burn again and again.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 04:53 PM
Wait, you volunteered right? Did you ask for money first and they said no?

Absolutely not. These were both paid gigs.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 04:55 PM
Mr Wizard says - fulfill your obligations, only then can you expect others to fulfill their obligations.
Go calmly talk with the business office where you are waiting for payment and ask for the boss. Let him/her know your issues calmly.
Its the professional way to go, I know it sucks BUT a burnt bridge can burn again and again.

It's hard for me to do that because I've already completed my obligation per our contract. Currently it's the university who needs to step up to the plate. I've spoken with the director of the program (one of my very good friends mind you) at least three times this week... And I keep hearing that the check is on its way. Unfortunately... The mail has run and my other partner who worked for the program did not receive his check. So I'm pretty certain I didn't either.

Buck
07-09-2009, 04:56 PM
Absolutely not. These were both paid gigs.

I see the way it was worded made it sound sort of like you volunteered. Well did you sign a contract saying that you would get paid right? I would perform and eventually you'll get paid.

Mr. Wizard
07-09-2009, 05:01 PM
It's hard for me to do that because I've already completed my obligation per our contract. Currently it's the university who needs to step up to the plate. I've spoken with the director of the program (one of my very good friends mind you) at least three times this week... And I keep hearing that the check is on its way. Unfortunately... The mail has run and my other partner who worked for the program did not receive his check. So I'm pretty certain I didn't either.

Understood, you are at a threshold, herein lies the question, do you want to live without future business with this organization? If so then burn your bridge. This type of business (gigs) relies heavily on on word of mouth reputation. Don't ever forget that. Schools and big business are notorious for slow payment. They are basically small governments. A lot of checks and balances.

Be calm and believe in your fellow man, all will end well.

Mr Wizard

JD10367
07-09-2009, 05:03 PM
I hate when I have to pull out!

(Psst... that's when you quickly sneak it in the bunghole before a complaint can be registered.)

:D

Phobia
07-09-2009, 05:07 PM
Tuck a gun into the waistband of your denims and they'll take you a lot more seriously.

Bugeater
07-09-2009, 05:15 PM
Tough call, as was mentioned before you'd be burning a bridge, but after being self-employed for 8 years I can certainly empathize with you. Not knowing when you're going to get paid is extremely agonizing.

Bwana
07-09-2009, 05:19 PM
Tuck a gun into the waistband of your denims and they'll take you a lot more seriously.

This and cap one of them in the leg. I bet the find their wallet in record time after that!

Iowanian
07-09-2009, 05:19 PM
Burned bridges are hard to use in the future.



I'm not thrilled that one of my clients called an hour ago, to tell me a project I had until NEXT friday to do, was really needing to be done by tomorrow. I haven't seen my kids today, have a meeting in 45 minutes.....but I'll come back, work until late, get up early and do my best to make their new deadline......because sometimes you have to be flexible in business. I am thrilled that their project is hourly....

Don't blow them off....honor YOUR committment, and ask them about it, and you'll probably be ahead in the long run.



They're probably only paying people who dress for the P&L district....

Reaper16
07-09-2009, 05:21 PM
Mr Wizard says - fulfill your obligations, only then can you expect others to fulfill their obligations.
Go calmly talk with the business office where you are waiting for payment and ask for the boss. Let him/her know your issues calmly.
Its the professional way to go, I know it sucks BUT a burnt bridge can burn again and again.
Please begin every single one of your posts with "Mr. Wizard says -" That'd be a cool shtick.

Rain Man
07-09-2009, 05:22 PM
To be honest, 11 days doesn't seem like long to wait. Their business may take some time to process invoices, and your DJ buddy somehow negotiated getting in front of the line. Maybe next time you can negotiate that, but I wouldn't get huffy over 11 days.

Saul Good
07-09-2009, 05:32 PM
You need to show up. Not out of some moral obligation but out of pragmatism. Right now, they have the power because you want something from them (money). They might be low on money and looking for a reason to get out of their obligations. If you don't show up, they might say that you didn't uphold your end of the bargain and refuse to pay.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:35 PM
I see the way it was worded made it sound sort of like you volunteered. Well did you sign a contract saying that you would get paid right? I would perform and eventually you'll get paid.

It's gonna be a rough night and I'm guessing I'm probably not gonna be in the mood to schmooze with university staff.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:36 PM
Understood, you are at a threshold, herein lies the question, do you want to live without future business with this organization? If so then burn your bridge. This type of business (gigs) relies heavily on on word of mouth reputation. Don't ever forget that. Schools and big business are notorious for slow payment. They are basically small governments. A lot of checks and balances.

Be calm and believe in your fellow man, all will end well.

Mr Wizard

If it's anything I hate... It's burning bridges.
It's for that reason that I'm going to go through with this commitment.
:banghead:

Brock
07-09-2009, 05:38 PM
There's nothing wrong with burning a bridge if there's nothing on the other side.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:39 PM
Burned bridges are hard to use in the future.



I'm not thrilled that one of my clients called an hour ago, to tell me a project I had until NEXT friday to do, was really needing to be done by tomorrow. I haven't seen my kids today, have a meeting in 45 minutes.....but I'll come back, work until late, get up early and do my best to make their new deadline......because sometimes you have to be flexible in business. I am thrilled that their project is hourly....

I don't mind being flexible about my job responsibilities, but about my pay?
Yeesh... That's a lot to ask.

They're probably only paying people who dress for the P&L district....

AAARRRGGGHHH!
Damn shorts below the knee.
:D

Mr. Flopnuts
07-09-2009, 05:41 PM
I would suggest never burning a bridge unless it's absolutely necessary. I would also suggest honoring your word and making sure that you're never the bad guy. For me personally, I can live with being slighted, the old fool me once shame on you deal. But I won't allow myself to feel bad at any point in the future because I acted impulsively (which you would be here IMO) and came to regret it. I'll honor my word, and sort the rest of it out later.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:41 PM
To be honest, 11 days doesn't seem like long to wait. Their business may take some time to process invoices, and your DJ buddy somehow negotiated getting in front of the line. Maybe next time you can negotiate that, but I wouldn't get huffy over 11 days.

So you'd be okay with your weekly or bi-monthly check coming late? Especially when one of your co-workers is receiving their check on time?

Mind you... I'm not an employee of the program. This was contracted work.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:43 PM
There's nothing wrong with burning a bridge if there's nothing on the other side.

I can't say that there's nothing on the other side.
The door will probably remain open as long as my friend continues to serve as the director of the program. In other words, this is going to be a yearly opportunity for quite some time.

Extra Point
07-09-2009, 05:44 PM
Sounds like your friend needs to be a better friend.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:44 PM
I would suggest never burning a bridge unless it's absolutely necessary.

I typically don't. I hate burning bridges.
I try at all costs never to do it.
I'm just in a bad place and that money is so vital for me right now.

The real dagger came when my best pal told me his check would be waiting on him when he broke down his equipment this evening.

I've been waiting for a week and a half.
Another one of my friends, who I referred the school to, for recording purposes is also waiting...
And he texts me once a day when the mail runs and he hasn't received his check.
That's a poor reflection on me. Because I recommended him as the preferred recording studio for the university's program to use.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-09-2009, 05:47 PM
I typically don't. I hate burning bridges.
I try at all costs never to do it.
I'm just in a bad place and that money is so vital for me right now.

The real dagger came when my best pal told me his check would be waiting on him when he broke down his equipment this evening.

Yeah I don't blame you for being upset at all. The school is definitely in the wrong here. But, I would probably be brutally honest and explain my situation regarding the money being critical before not honoring a commitment I had to the school. Because while the school is in the wrong, the kids you're working with aren't. One thing I'll concede though, it's easy for me to sit here and take the high road when I can't tell my fridge has shelves.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:48 PM
Sounds like your friend needs to be a better friend.

I hate to blame her because I know she doesn't work in the administrative offices (she can't cut the check).

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:49 PM
Yeah I don't blame you for being upset at all. The school is definitely in the wrong here. But, I would probably be brutally honest and explain my situation regarding the money being critical before not honoring a commitment I had to the school. Because while the school is in the wrong, the kids you're working with aren't. One thing I'll concede though, it's easy for me to sit here and take the high road when I can't tell my fridge has shelves.

That's the part that gives me pause. Backing out on my kids.
They aren't at all responsible for the failings of the university.
So I'm going to go, grudgingly, and fix my face before I enter the building.

It's necessary for me to be there for them regardless of how I feel about those in charge.

DeezNutz
07-09-2009, 05:50 PM
So you'd be okay with your weekly or bi-monthly check coming late? Especially when one of your co-workers is receiving their check on time?

Mind you... I'm not an employee of the program. This was contracted work.

University paperwork runs really slow. 11 days isn't long for this.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-09-2009, 05:50 PM
One thing I can say with all certainty is I wouldn't be shy about asking my friend how one guy gets paid tonight, and I can't get paid in 2 weeks. While she may be unable to cut the check, I doubt she's unable to find out what the fuck is going on.

You say it's a poor reflection on you for your buddy not getting paid either, it's a poor reflection on her for the whole damn mess.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-09-2009, 05:51 PM
That's the part that gives me pause. Backing out on my kids.
They aren't at all responsible for the failings of the university.
So I'm going to go, grudgingly, and fix my face before I enter the building.

It's necessary for me to be there for them regardless of how I feel about those in charge.

I knew you would, because you're a good guy. The trick is going to be dusting yourself off to the point that you can give those kids the cheer in your heart in the process of it. But again, you're a good guy.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:53 PM
University paperwork runs really slow. 11 days isn't long for this.

The same office that will eventually cut my check...cut my partner's check this afternoon prior to him setting foot on campus. That's a hard pill for me to swallow DN.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:57 PM
One thing I can say with all certainty is I wouldn't be shy about asking my friend how one guy gets paid tonight, and I can't get paid in 2 weeks. While she may be unable to cut the check, I doubt she's unable to find out what the fuck is going on.

You say it's a poor reflection on you for your buddy not getting paid either, it's a poor reflection on her for the whole damn mess.

It really is a mess and I'm gonna have some tough questions for a few people tonight.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:57 PM
I knew you would, because you're a good guy. The trick is going to be dusting yourself off to the point that you can give those kids the cheer in your heart in the process of it. But again, you're a good guy.

Yeah man. It's gonna be a long drive down there, but I'll get it together before I go inside.

DeezNutz
07-09-2009, 05:58 PM
The same office that will eventually cut my check...cut my partner's check this afternoon prior to him setting foot on campus. That's a hard pill for me to swallow DN.

I hear you, bud.

In this case, you have no choice but to start asking some questions. No one should be offended/upset in the least.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-09-2009, 05:58 PM
It really is a mess and I'm gonna have some tough questions for a few people tonight.

I would too. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. And when it comes to money, the social contract goes out the window. :D

Groves
07-09-2009, 05:59 PM
Rework your entire talent show act to center around this slight. Get the whole crowd into it, and defame the characters of some prominent people in the organization.

Also pre-prepare your apology just in case the mailman misdelivered your check or the bank mis-direct deposited it.

Just think Seinfeld season 10. I think this might have been an episode (had they had a 10th season).

Micjones
07-09-2009, 05:59 PM
I hear you, bud.

In this case, you have no choice but to start asking some questions. No one should be offended/upset in the least.

I'm definitely going to tap a few people on the shoulder tonight.
But in the meantime... I gotta put on my game face for the kids.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 06:00 PM
Rework your entire talent show act to center around this slight. Get the whole crowd into it, and defame the characters of some prominent people in the organization.

Also pre-prepare your apology just in case the mailman misdelivered your check or the bank mis-direct deposited it.

Just think Seinfeld season 10. I think this might have been an episode (had they had a 10th season).

I've never seen an episode of Seinfeld in my life.
:D

Micjones
07-09-2009, 06:01 PM
I would too. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. And when it comes to money, the social contract goes out the window. :D

Agreed.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 06:01 PM
Well, I'm off gents... Headed to the school.
Thanks for the advice!!!

Deberg_1990
07-09-2009, 06:01 PM
Just dont play any Jazzy Jeff or Hip Hop and you will be fine.

Skip Towne
07-09-2009, 06:05 PM
The company I contract with routinely take 17 - 22 days to pay (from date of invoice). I consider this very good. Past 30 days would upset me.

Mr. Wizard
07-09-2009, 09:14 PM
Please begin every single one of your posts with "Mr. Wizard says -" That'd be a cool shtick.

Mr Wizard says - great idea:thumb:

Micjones
07-09-2009, 10:59 PM
The company I contract with routinely take 17 - 22 days to pay (from date of invoice). I consider this very good. Past 30 days would upset me.

I'd have less trouble with the situation if my partner hadn't gotten a university drawn check THIS EVENING.

Phobia
07-09-2009, 11:03 PM
I'd have less trouble with the situation if my partner hadn't gotten a university drawn check THIS EVENING.

You cry like a little girl. Your partner is a lot smarter than you. Ask him how he negotiated a check day of and then try the same thing next time. Crying about it to us has really accomplished a lot, huh?

Micjones
07-09-2009, 11:09 PM
Having a conversation with judgmental bastards like yourself is certainly akin to crying isn't it?

And you bothered to open the thread, read my latest reply, and level such lame ass smack on me.

And you're pointing fingers?
Got it.

What's next? My mother wears combat boots?
@#$% outta here...
ROFL

Phobia
07-09-2009, 11:21 PM
Mic, you're reasonably intelligent. But you've been conditioned to have a victim complex. It's really not flattering at all.

Micjones
07-09-2009, 11:29 PM
Mic, you're reasonably intelligent. But you've been conditioned to have a victim complex. It's really not flattering at all.

Brilliant piece of thinking you did there ace.

Having a discussion about not being compensated for services rendered makes me a victim. I'll be sure to get that memo to the other posters in this very forum who said they can identify with how I feel.

:shake:

When people like you throw rocks I always think to myself, "Wow that guy could've kept the line moving without pitching his discolored pennies into the fountain of self-righteous negativity." But no...

Guys like you get the stiff one behind having something disparaging to say about the next man's situation.

So quickly... Run and tell Mr. Plow he's playing the victim for voicing his displeasure about his son nearly being run down by some idiot adolescent driver with no consideration for other people who occupy the road.

I'm sure your virtual manhood will grow exponentially and you'll have a new seed somewhere between Andy Dick and Patton Oswalt.

This forum is fastly approaching an orange level of bitchassness.
Pat yourself on the back sir. You're fighting the good fight.

Phobia
07-09-2009, 11:40 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah! That Phobia said something mean to me. I wish he'd stop picking on me. *sniff*

Micjones
07-09-2009, 11:50 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah! That Phobia said something mean to me. I wish he'd stop picking on me. *sniff*

:clap:

You can't pay for that kind of insult.
Throw a couple "na na na boo boo's" into these high-octaine ha ha's and you might be able to quit your dayjob.

Tell you what...
When you get done worshipping at my man-altar...
Turn the light off will ya? Tryna get some shut-eye.

Thx.

Phobia
07-09-2009, 11:54 PM
Awesome. You are trainable after all. Now go back in and get your money.

Micjones
07-10-2009, 12:01 AM
Awesome. You are trainable after all. Now go back in and get your money.

ROFL

Gracias Obi-Wan.