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Raised On Riots
07-15-2009, 11:56 AM
Sorry if repost:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Philip-Rivers-gets-beat-by-a-high-schooler-does?urn=nfl,176581

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 11:58 AM
That's funny.

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 12:03 PM
looks like typical Rivers passes-high, low all over the place-he is soo over rated.

Buck
07-15-2009, 12:06 PM
looks like typical Rivers passes-high, low all over the place-he is soo over rated.

ROLF

2008 Stats

312/478 (65.3%) / 4009 Yards / 34 TD / 11 INT / 105.5 Rating

Career

890/1428 (62.3%) / 10697 Yards / 78 TD / 36 INT / 92.9 Rating

Yeah, Overrated.

Not to mention his 36-18 Career Record (incl playoffs)

milkman
07-15-2009, 12:08 PM
looks like typical Rivers passes-high, low all over the place-he is soo over rated.

Coming from the guy who thinks Favre is the greatest QB ever.

LMAO

Sure-Oz
07-15-2009, 12:10 PM
Lebron got dunked on by a college dude too

TinyEvel
07-15-2009, 12:11 PM
get that kid to a Chuck E Cheese's STAT!

:shake:

CoMoChief
07-15-2009, 12:13 PM
Eh who cares. 10 bucks says that HS kid can't throw a 20 yd out pattern like Rivers can.

Brock
07-15-2009, 12:18 PM
Eh who cares. 10 bucks says that HS kid can't throw a 20 yd out pattern like Rivers can.

You mean badly?

doomy3
07-15-2009, 12:20 PM
Eh who cares. 10 bucks says that HS kid can't throw a 20 yd out pattern like Rivers can.

I bet he can float it up there close to as well.

Buck
07-15-2009, 12:20 PM
I'll continue my homerism.

Hes 3 for 3 in Division Championships

I'm pretty sure hes the only QB ever to lead a 4-8 team into the playoffs.

He has a 3-3 Playoff Record and if it wasn't for Marlon Mcree, who knows what it would be.

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:21 PM
Coming from the guy who thinks Favre is the greatest QB ever.

LMAO

Rivers has a better playoff record than the Chiefs do as a franchise in the last 25 years...

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 12:21 PM
ROLF

2008 Stats

312/478 (65.3%) / 4009 Yards / 34 TD / 11 INT / 105.5 Rating

Career

890/1428 (62.3%) / 10697 Yards / 78 TD / 36 INT / 92.9 Rating

Yeah, Overrated.

Not to mention his 36-18 Career Record (incl playoffs)

Rivers has been THE Starter for 3 seasons (he had 2 game starts each in 2004 and 2005 with really nothing productive).

Based on the 3 full seasons though (2006, 2007, 2008), the Chargers are 33-15 in the regular season and 3-3 in the playoffs.

In 2008, the Chargers had just over 1700 yds rushing as a team with 13 TDs... Rivers was forced to make the most passing attempts so far in his career and he did well, topping 4k yards and more than 30 TDs for the first time.

That being said... the team was 8-8.

In 2006 and 2007, the Chargers won 25 games (14 & 11 win seasons) and lost 7.

In those years, LT alone accounted for 1800 and 1400 yard rushing efforts with another 508 and 475 yards receiving. So, 2300 and nearly 1900 combined yards from just LT in those 14 and 11 win seasons.

Let's not forget that in each of those seasons, when LT was going berzerk, they had an additional 700 yards rushing from other players!

So, sure... Rivers played outstanding in 2008 when they needed him to carry the load offensively. But, let's not call him Peyton Manning just yet.

Gonzo
07-15-2009, 12:21 PM
I'll continue my homerism.

Hes 3 for 3 in Division Championships

I'm pretty sure hes the only QB ever to lead a 4-8 team into the playoffs.

He has a 3-3 Playoff Record and if it wasn't for Marlon Mcree, who knows what it would be.

Oh yeah?
Well...

This:


http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/riversface.jpg

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:22 PM
I bet he can float it up there close to as well.

No one can float a simple out pattern like Thigpen or Huard...

CoMoChief
07-15-2009, 12:22 PM
You mean badly?

I guess you didn't see Rivers play last season.

Sure-Oz
07-15-2009, 12:22 PM
he's just gotta be better than that HS QB

Raised On Riots
07-15-2009, 12:22 PM
God that's hideous.(The Pic)

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:23 PM
Oh yeah?
Well...

This:


http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/riversface.jpg

goofy or not.... I would love to see an AFC championship game again.... Shit 1993 was along time ago and even then Montana could only carry Marty so far...

Buck
07-15-2009, 12:23 PM
Rivers has been THE Starter for 3 seasons (he had 2 game starts each in 2004 and 2005 with really nothing productive).

Based on the 3 full seasons though (2006, 2007, 2008), the Chargers are 33-15 in the regular season and 3-3 in the playoffs.

In 2008, the Chargers had just over 1700 yds rushing as a team with 13 TDs... Rivers was forced to make the most passing attempts so far in his career and he did well, topping 4k yards and more than 30 TDs for the first time.

That being said... the team was 8-8.

In 2006 and 2007, the Chargers won 25 games (14 & 11 win seasons) and lost 7.

In those years, LT alone accounted for 1800 and 1400 yard rushing efforts with another 508 and 475 yards receiving. So, 2300 and nearly 1900 combined yards from just LT in those 14 and 11 win seasons.

Let's not forget that in each of those seasons, when LT was going berzerk, they had an additional 700 yards rushing from other players!

So, sure... Rivers played outstanding in 2008 when they needed him to carry the load offensively. But, let's not call him Peyton Manning just yet.

I wasn't calling him Peyton Manning. I was just saying that he's not overrated, like Halfcan said. If anything, his 2008 numbers proved that.

doomy3
07-15-2009, 12:23 PM
I guess you didn't see Rivers play last season.

Did you? He is a good QB, but arm strength and out patterns aren't his strong points.

Tuckdaddy
07-15-2009, 12:23 PM
I'm taking him with the 4th pick in my fantasy draft. Sounds high but our league scores QB's and RB's very evenly in points.

doomy3
07-15-2009, 12:24 PM
I'm taking him with the 4th pick in my fantasy draft. Sounds high but our league scores QB's and RB's very evenly in points.

:eek:

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:24 PM
I guess you didn't see Rivers play last season.

Had to be basing that of Thigpens play... I could see where one could be confused on QB play after watching that attrocity last year....

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:25 PM
I'm taking him with the 4th pick in my fantasy draft. Sounds high but our league scores QB's and RB's very evenly in points.

Why would they do that?

RB's are a premium in leagues... QB's as well, but no way do you score them closely...

Buck
07-15-2009, 12:26 PM
Wouldn't you rather take Manning or maybe even Brady over Rivers?

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:26 PM
I wasn't calling him Peyton Manning. I was just saying that he's not overrated, like Halfcan said. If anything, his 2008 numbers proved that.

Hes not overrated, Just a jealous fan trying to act cool... Rivers is better than anything the Chiefs have trotted out other than Green and Montana since 1980...

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:27 PM
Wouldn't you rather take Manning or maybe even Brady over Rivers?

Not when he is dumping off screens to LT...

Man a few years back, I had both of them... I cleaned house...

Brock
07-15-2009, 12:27 PM
Had to be basing that of Thigpens play... I could see where one could be confused on QB play after watching that attrocity last year....

Yeah, because pointing out one of Rivers' weakness means you were actually watching Thigpen. Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 12:29 PM
I wasn't calling him Peyton Manning. I was just saying that he's not overrated, like Halfcan said. If anything, his 2008 numbers proved that.

I hear ya... and this is the beauty of sports debates. Some of your commentary has made it appear that SD's success has been thanks to Rivers. My point is that they've had amazing production from the RBs, specifically LT and the defense has been very good... it's not quite all because of Rivers.

His TD/INT ration in 2006 & 2007 was 22/9 and 21/15 ... part of that is they system they ran, but he did explode in 2008 when they couldn't lean on LT and the RBs.

It will be interesting to see what happens in 2009.

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 12:30 PM
Why would they do that?

RB's are a premium in leagues... QB's as well, but no way do you score them closely...

Depends on your league's scoring... fantasy football scoring is much more dynamic than it was 10 or even 4 years ago.

milkman
07-15-2009, 12:30 PM
Rivers has been THE Starter for 3 seasons (he had 2 game starts each in 2004 and 2005 with really nothing productive).

Based on the 3 full seasons though (2006, 2007, 2008), the Chargers are 33-15 in the regular season and 3-3 in the playoffs.

In 2008, the Chargers had just over 1700 yds rushing as a team with 13 TDs... Rivers was forced to make the most passing attempts so far in his career and he did well, topping 4k yards and more than 30 TDs for the first time.

That being said... the team was 8-8.

In 2006 and 2007, the Chargers won 25 games (14 & 11 win seasons) and lost 7.

In those years, LT alone accounted for 1800 and 1400 yard rushing efforts with another 508 and 475 yards receiving. So, 2300 and nearly 1900 combined yards from just LT in those 14 and 11 win seasons.

Let's not forget that in each of those seasons, when LT was going berzerk, they had an additional 700 yards rushing from other players!

So, sure... Rivers played outstanding in 2008 when they needed him to carry the load offensively. But, let's not call him Peyton Manning just yet.

Stats are not the end all be all when it comes to QB play, and Rivers is emerging as a tough, gritty leader for that team.

I wouldn't take him before Peyton Manning..........yet.

Buck
07-15-2009, 12:31 PM
I hear ya... and this is the beauty of sports debates. Some of your commentary has made it appear that SD's success has been thanks to Rivers. My point is that they've had amazing production from the RBs, specifically LT and the defense has been very good... it's not quite all because of Rivers.

His TD/INT ration in 2006 & 2007 was 22/9 and 21/15 ... part of that is they system they ran, but he did explode in 2008 when they couldn't lean on LT and the RBs.

It will be interesting to see what happens in 2009.

I get what you are saying, but lets say the Chargers QB for those last couple years was someone like....Doug Flutie or Brodie Croyle....I don't think they would have won as many games.

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:32 PM
Yeah, because pointing out one of Rivers' weakness means you were actually watching Thigpen. Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:

I bet JC wouldnt over throw the out patterns...

Gonzo
07-15-2009, 12:32 PM
I get what you are saying, but lets say the Chargers QB for those last couple years was someone like....Doug Flutie or Brodie Croyle....I don't think they would have won as many games.

Fuck...

Fucking Brodie Croyle is the man, bitch. You best not be talking smack.

milkman
07-15-2009, 12:33 PM
I get what you are saying, but lets say the Chargers QB for those last couple years was someone like....Doug Flutie or Brodie Croyle....I don't think they would have won as many games.

The question is, if Croyle is your starter, would they have won as many games with Volek?

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:34 PM
****...

****ing Brodie Croyle is the man, bitch. You best not be talking smack. Or he will injure himself....

ROFL

FYP

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:36 PM
The question is, if Croyle is your starter, would they have won as many games with Volek?

I doubt it...

I was one of the biggest Croyle homers on the board, but had to come to the realization that the dude is a glass doll, destined for a insurance job/high school coaching job or an AFL Job... IF the AFL ever comes back...

But then again, SD had and NFL quality line, something Herm failed at assembling here in KC... So who knows...

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 12:38 PM
I get what you are saying, but lets say the Chargers QB for those last couple years was someone like....Doug Flutie or Brodie Croyle....I don't think they would have won as many games.

Stats are not the end all be all when it comes to QB play, and Rivers is emerging as a tough, gritty leader for that team.

I wouldn't take him before Peyton Manning..........yet.

Again, this is the beauty of the sports debate, especially with individual players in a sport like football.

Stats, one way or another are used to define a player's greatness.

In 2008 and to a degree now, people would point to Cutler's W/L record (17-20 and no playoffs) and say "who cares about how many yards or TDs he throws, he can't win".

Prior to Cutler, people would say "Phhhtt, who cares if Denver is 39 and 15 with Plummer as a QB, with 3 double digit win seasons in a row... he has 47 INTs during that time and is 1-3 in the playoffs".

Orton has a winning record of 21-12 as a starter and has better talent now than he did in Chicago... but, everyone says he will suck.

It's a crazy li'l thing called sports debate... and most people use what best helps their argument at that time.

Valiant
07-15-2009, 12:42 PM
Why would they do that?

RB's are a premium in leagues... QB's as well, but no way do you score them closely...

BS, everyone just thinks that way because of old school FF standards when they first started playing.. It gimps a portion of the league and makes it who ever gets the certain stud player have an advantage..

I run a league, getting ready to expand into another one because people like it that scores the elite WR/QB/RB about evenly.. The owners love it because it keeps the competition up there and the fact that you want to build a complete team.. Not just land the two best RB's in FF..

milkman
07-15-2009, 12:45 PM
Again, this is the beauty of the sports debate, especially with individual players in a sport like football.

Stats, one way or another are used to define a player's greatness.

In 2008 and to a degree now, people would point to Cutler's W/L record (17-20 and no playoffs) and say "who cares about how many yards or TDs he throws, he can't win".

Prior to Cutler, people would say "Phhhtt, who cares if Denver is 39 and 15 with Plummer as a QB, with 3 double digit win seasons in a row... he has 47 INTs during that time and is 1-3 in the playoffs".

Orton has a winning record of 21-12 as a starter and has better talent now than he did in Chicago... but, everyone says he will suck.

It's a crazy li'l thing called sports debate... and most people use what best helps their argument at that time.

That's why you have to watch games.

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 12:47 PM
BS, everyone just thinks that way because of old school FF standards when they first started playing.. It gimps a portion of the league and makes it who ever gets the certain stud player have an advantage..

I run a league, getting ready to expand into another one because people like it that scores the elite WR/QB/RB about evenly.. The owners love it because it keeps the competition up there and the fact that you want to build a complete team.. Not just land the two best RB's in FF..

Yep... I'm in a number of leagues, but no longer join leagues that have standard scoring (no PPR, penalites for turnovers, IDP, flex, etc). I hate the generic serpentine draft and generic lineup.

Don't get me wrong, it definitely has its place and is likely still the format for 70% of the leagues out there... but, I need more in my league. I have 1 league that has been around for 12 years that we're slowly tweaking as other owners get more comfortable with new ideas.

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:50 PM
BS, everyone just thinks that way because of old school FF standards when they first started playing.. It gimps a portion of the league and makes it who ever gets the certain stud player have an advantage..

I run a league, getting ready to expand into another one because people like it that scores the elite WR/QB/RB about evenly.. The owners love it because it keeps the competition up there and the fact that you want to build a complete team.. Not just land the two best RB's in FF..

Here is the scoring for the league I run....

Offense League Value
Passing Yards 25 yards per point
Passing Touchdowns 6
Interceptions -2
Sacks -1
Rushing Yards 10 yards per point
Rushing Touchdowns 6
Reception Yards 15 yards per point
Reception Touchdowns 6
Return Yards 10 yards per point
Return Touchdowns 6
2-Point Conversions 4
Fumbles -1
Fumbles Lost -2
Offensive Fumble Return TD 6

Kickers League
Field Goals 0-19 Yards 2
Field Goals 20-29 Yards 3
Field Goals 30-39 Yards 4
Field Goals 40-49 Yards 5
Field Goals 50+ Yards 6
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards -1
Point After Attempt Made 1
Point After Attempt Missed -1

Defense/Special Teams
Sack 2
Interception 4
Fumble Recovery 3
Touchdown 6
Safety 5
Block Kick 3
Points Allowed 0 points 14
Points Allowed 1-6 points 10
Points Allowed 7-13 points 7
Points Allowed 14-20 points 3
Points Allowed 21-27 points 0
Points Allowed 28-34 points -1
Points Allowed 35+ points -4

doomy3
07-15-2009, 12:50 PM
Yep... I'm in a number of leagues, but no longer join leagues that have standard scoring (no PPR, penalites for turnovers, IDP, flex, etc). I hate the generic serpentine draft and generic lineup.

Don't get me wrong, it definitely has its place and is likely still the format for 70% of the leagues out there... but, I need more in my league. I have 1 league that has been around for 12 years that we're slowly tweaking as other owners get more comfortable with new ideas.

What kind of lineups do you like?

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:52 PM
Yep... I'm in a number of leagues, but no longer join leagues that have standard scoring (no PPR, penalites for turnovers, IDP, flex, etc). I hate the generic serpentine draft and generic lineup.

Don't get me wrong, it definitely has its place and is likely still the format for 70% of the leagues out there... but, I need more in my league. I have 1 league that has been around for 12 years that we're slowly tweaking as other owners get more comfortable with new ideas.

Each year we tweak our league... we started this league in 2003 and every year we make it better and better...

Its a family league, keeps everyone interested all year long...

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 12:52 PM
That's why you have to watch games.

Weird... are you suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about?

I'm merely throwing out a few examples of how stats have been used around here. I get the notion that you have to see the player perform within the team to get to the real meat of the debate, but as you know... not everyone participating in the debates communicated their opinion rationally.

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 12:56 PM
What kind of lineups do you like?

I've become a fan of the dynasty league with salary/contract caps for each team. I'm starting one up with friends this year, the initial draft will be 27 rounds... heavy on IDP and the scoring is pretty complex.

Rosters have to include flex on both sides and the IDP scoring has to be good enough to where you don't view your IDP like many view your Kicker. The contract aspect of it in dynasty really makes you THINK about who you are drafting, picking up. There are penalties for dropping players under contract, etc...

It's definitely not for everyone.

I like having scoring for just about everything available on both sides of the ball... I like the QB/RB/WR/WR/TE with 2 flex spots that could be RB/WR/TE along with the K and then another 6 IDP spots, including 1-2 flex.

I'm a sicko though...

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 12:58 PM
I've become a fan of the dynasty league with salary/contract caps for each team. I'm starting one up with friends this year, the initial draft will be 27 rounds... heavy on IDP and the scoring is pretty complex.

Rosters have to include flex on both sides and the IDP scoring has to be good enough to where you don't view your IDP like many view your Kicker. The contract aspect of it in dynasty really makes you THINK about who you are drafting, picking up. There are penalties for dropping players under contract, etc...

It's definitely not for everyone.

I like having scoring for just about everything available on both sides of the ball... I like the QB/RB/WR/WR/TE with 2 flex spots that could be RB/WR/TE along with the K and then another 6 IDP spots, including 1-2 flex.

I'm a sicko though...

Damn that is to intense for my league... Crap some of my uncles can barely use a computer...

We keep it basic but fun for everyone...

KCtotheSB
07-15-2009, 12:59 PM
I came in to post about Philip Rivers and a Fantasy Football league broke out.

-King-
07-15-2009, 01:16 PM
Here is the scoring for the league I run....

Offense League Value
Passing Yards 25 yards per point
Passing Touchdowns 6
Interceptions -2
Sacks -1
Rushing Yards 10 yards per point
Rushing Touchdowns 6
Reception Yards 15 yards per point
Reception Touchdowns 6
Return Yards 10 yards per point
Return Touchdowns 6
2-Point Conversions 4
Fumbles -1
Fumbles Lost -2
Offensive Fumble Return TD 6

Kickers League
Field Goals 0-19 Yards 2
Field Goals 20-29 Yards 3
Field Goals 30-39 Yards 4
Field Goals 40-49 Yards 5
Field Goals 50+ Yards 6
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards -1
Point After Attempt Made 1
Point After Attempt Missed -1

Defense/Special Teams
Sack 2
Interception 4
Fumble Recovery 3
Touchdown 6
Safety 5
Block Kick 3
Points Allowed 0 points 14
Points Allowed 1-6 points 10
Points Allowed 7-13 points 7
Points Allowed 14-20 points 3
Points Allowed 21-27 points 0
Points Allowed 28-34 points -1
Points Allowed 35+ points -4

Damn that's a high scoring league. 1 point per 10 yards? That's too low for me. In the league I run we have it as 25 yard for a point. 50 passing yards per point. That kinds of makes having a good rb more or less equal to having a good qb.

I don't like leagues where the guy with the 2 best rbs is the winner damn near 100%. Hate when the first 15 picks are running backs.

Hell, my 1st pick this year was tom brady.
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Mr. Wizard
07-15-2009, 01:24 PM
Rivers would suck if it were not for Randy Moss ROFL

I would take rivers any day minus his attitude.

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 02:23 PM
Damn that's a high scoring league. 1 point per 10 yards? That's too low for me. In the league I run we have it as 25 yard for a point. 50 passing yards per point. That kinds of makes having a good rb more or less equal to having a good qb.

I don't like leagues where the guy with the 2 best rbs is the winner damn near 100%. Hate when the first 15 picks are running backs.

Hell, my 1st pick this year was tom brady.
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Actually the scores werent arent that high each week. There were several items that forced us to adjust our league points and scores..

Problem arose a few years ago when Pittsburg had Bettis as a short down back. Well Parker would get all the yards and the work load, while Bettis was scoring all the tds... Same with Carolina and Delhomme. He would feed the ball down the feild to his backs and end up with 135 yards passing and 3 TD's which was a higher score than someone that put up 400 yards and 1 TD...

Just tried to even the league out and make the players more valuable.

Reerun_KC
07-15-2009, 02:27 PM
I came in to post about Philip Rivers and a Fantasy Football league broke out.

Welcome to the Planet, n00b!:D

milkman
07-15-2009, 03:05 PM
Weird... are you suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about?

I'm merely throwing out a few examples of how stats have been used around here. I get the notion that you have to see the player perform within the team to get to the real meat of the debate, but as you know... not everyone participating in the debates communicated their opinion rationally.

No.

Just stating the obvious.

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 03:22 PM
Coming from the guy who thinks Favre is the greatest QB ever.

LMAO

soon as Rivers holds EVERY record then I will give him some props. Half his passes are dump offs to LT , not to mention Gates catches tons of his wobblers. He is a system QB and has had great protection and a incredible running game to keep the D off him.

He is one step up from Leaf talent wise-but just as big of a pussy.

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 03:25 PM
Rivers has a better playoff record than the Chiefs do as a franchise in the last 25 years...

Yep it is ALL Rivers-SD did not have a nasty D? Oh and one of the best RB's of All time??

I don't recall Cry me a Rivers putting the whole team on his shoulders and willing them to win, but I DO recall all the finger pointing after they lost.

milkman
07-15-2009, 03:29 PM
soon as Rivers holds EVERY record then I will give him some props. Half his passes are dump offs to LT , not to mention Gates catches tons of his wobblers. He is a system QB and has had great protection and a incredible running game to keep the D off him.

He is one step up from Leaf talent wise-but just as big of a pussy.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Ryan Leaf was far more physically gifted than Rivers.

On talent alone, he was the prototypical QB.

But a QB requires more than the physical gifts to compete and excel in the NFL, and Rivers is better by leaps and bounds over that POS Leaf.

All you see from Favre is these big numbers and that gun and you think he's the best ever.

But I see a guy that didn't think, he just figured his physical talent was enough to make things work, and he constantly and consistently put his defense in bad situations and cost that Packer team more games than he won with clutch performance.

There are a bunch of QBs I'd rather have over Favre.

Favre is and always has been a moron on the field.

Buck
07-15-2009, 03:44 PM
soon as Rivers holds EVERY record then I will give him some props. Half his passes are dump offs to LT , not to mention Gates catches tons of his wobblers. He is a system QB and has had great protection and a incredible running game to keep the D off him.

He is one step up from Leaf talent wise-but just as big of a pussy.

Here are some other System QBs: Joe Montana, Steve Young, Tom Brady

Yep it is ALL Rivers-SD did not have a nasty D? Oh and one of the best RB's of All time??

I don't recall Cry me a Rivers putting the whole team on his shoulders and willing them to win, but I DO recall all the finger pointing after they lost.

When did he point fingers, and at whom?

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 03:45 PM
Milkman... just point to this man when trying to define the total package at QB. None of them are perfect and he had some issues along the way... and some may not like the way he made his way to Denver.

But, he had the tools, the talent, the mindset, the heart and the determination to lead others ... it's hard to judge QBs from different eras, but for me Elway was the definition of greatness. There are 2-4 QBs that you could stake claim to that title and they all have their merits, but I'll take this one.

Yep, I'm making an unexpected left turn in this thread... enjoy. :evil:

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/john-elway_301.jpg

http://espn.go.com/i/abcsports/mnf/2001/1031/photo/s_elway_i.jpg

http://www.talkingfantasyfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/elway.jpg

milkman
07-15-2009, 03:45 PM
Here are some other System QBs: Joe Montana, Steve Young, Tom Brady



When did he point fingers, and at whom?

Don't pay any attention to him Buck.

It suck to live life as clueless as he is.

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 03:47 PM
horse face? not even in the top ten

Raised On Riots
07-15-2009, 03:47 PM
horse face? not even in the top ten

ROFL

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 03:48 PM
horse face? not even in the top ten

:) Right...

milkman
07-15-2009, 03:49 PM
Milkman... just point to this man when trying to define the total package at QB. None of them are perfect and he had some issues along the way... and some may not like the way he made his way to Denver.

But, he had the tools, the talent, the mindset, the heart and the determination to lead others ... it's hard to judge QBs from different eras, but for me Elway was the definition of greatness. There are 2-4 QBs that you could stake claim to that title and they all have their merits, but I'll take this one.

Yep, I'm making an unexpected left turn in this thread... enjoy. :evil:

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/john-elway_301.jpg

http://espn.go.com/i/abcsports/mnf/2001/1031/photo/s_elway_i.jpg

http://www.talkingfantasyfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/elway.jpg

As much as I hate Elway, I would never disparage anyone making that argument.

I would take Montana, but Elway would be in the discussion.

milkman
07-15-2009, 03:50 PM
horse face? not even in the top ten

I like you can, but good grief, you are a fucking moron.

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 03:50 PM
As much as I hate Elway, I would never disparage anyone making that argument.

I would take Montana, but Elway would be in the discussion.

Yeah - Montana and Elway are typically the two most discussed...

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 03:51 PM
Don't pay any attention to him Buck.

It suck to live life as clueless as he is.

why is everyone clueless if they disagree with you? You dont own EVERY record by being a moron on the field or be the ALL TIME leader in QB wins by losing more then winning for your team.

Brett has played through countless injuries and is ALWAYS there to lead his team-how many QB's have came and went since he started his streak. Its more than stats with Brett- it is fire, heart, and passion for the game-why I respect him. He has earned a chance to decide when he is done and not be forced out by some dumbass GM.

Raised On Riots
07-15-2009, 03:53 PM
why is everyone clueless if they disagree with you? You dont own EVERY record by being a moron on the field or be the ALL TIME leader in QB wins by losing more then winning for your team.

Brett has played through countless injuries and is ALWAYS there to lead his team-how many QB's have came and went since he started his streak. Its more than stats with Brett- it is fire, heart, and passion for the game-why I respect him. He has earned a chance to decide when he is done and not be forced out by some dumbass GM.

I agree; I want's my Favre as a Vike entertainment, and I shall not be denied.

Buck
07-15-2009, 03:54 PM
why is everyone clueless if they disagree with you? You dont own EVERY record by being a moron on the field or be the ALL TIME leader in QB wins by losing more then winning for your team.

Brett has played through countless injuries and is ALWAYS there to lead his team-how many QB's have came and went since he started his streak. Its more than stats with Brett- it is fire, heart, and passion for the game-why I respect him. He has earned a chance to decide when he is done and not be forced out by some dumbass GM.

So are you going to answer my question?

Who did Rivers point his finger at after a loss?

milkman
07-15-2009, 03:54 PM
why is everyone clueless if they disagree with you? You dont own EVERY record by being a moron on the field or be the ALL TIME leader in QB wins by losing more then winning for your team.

Brett has played through countless injuries and is ALWAYS there to lead his team-how many QB's have came and went since he started his streak. Its more than stats with Brett- it is fire, heart, and passion for the game-why I respect him. He has earned a chance to decide when he is done and not be forced out by some dumbass GM.

Not everyone who disagrees with me is clueless.

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 03:54 PM
I like you can, but good grief, you are a ****ing moron.

why because I don;t like horse face. I will NEVER give him his due, EVER. What was his win % at Arrowhead??? We kicked his horseface ass every time he came here. Fug him and his car dealerships.

and yes there are ten better QB's.

If it wasn't for Ovensprayed Olinemen, T Davis and cheatin the cap-Horseface wouldn't have those rings.

milkman
07-15-2009, 03:56 PM
Oh, and the pack "forced" him out because they got tired of him playing them every offseason.

That shit gets old and they decided it was time to move forward.

They did the right thing.

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 03:56 PM
Not everyone who disagrees with me is clueless.

ROFL please you think ANyone that has a different opinion is a clueless dumbass.

That is your ace in hole every time I disagree with you-but I have Never once made it personal with you.

That is called Class my friend. :)

milkman
07-15-2009, 03:58 PM
why because I don;t like horse face. I will NEVER give him his due, EVER. What was his win % at Arrowhead??? We kicked his horseface ass every time he came here. Fug him and his car dealerships.

and yes there are ten better QB's.

If it wasn't for Ovensprayed Olinemen, T Davis and cheatin the cap-Horseface wouldn't have those rings.

Elway, pre Davis, did more with less than any other QB ever has.

Favre, on the other hand did less with more than Elway ever had.

Buck
07-15-2009, 04:00 PM
I'm still waiting Halfcan

chiefs1111
07-15-2009, 04:02 PM
Oh, and the pack "forced" him out because they got tired of him playing them every offseason.

That shit gets old and they decided it was time to move forward.

They did the right thing.


Aaron Rodgers did very well last year. If their defense can step up and play well this season,I think they could win the NFC North.

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 04:04 PM
So are you going to answer my question?

Who did Rivers point his finger at after a loss?

Rivers has had plenty of outburst-I bet you could find them on Youtube. He probably had a tantrum after that kid beat him. :)

I value your opinion-but you root for the Chargers and me a better team-lol

I will never give ANY props to a rival-EVER. LT would be the only exception-because he is about as classy as you can get-plus all his charity work-that would be like baggin on Santa.

If you can find one good thing I have said about the Cheatin Donks, the Faders, or the SD-I will give you rep. They suck, and that is just how it is. :D

Just Passin' By
07-15-2009, 04:05 PM
horse face? not even in the top ten

ROFL

:) Right...

Enjoy:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2103_The_definitive_list%3A_Top_10_NFL_quarterbacks.html

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 04:08 PM
Elway, pre Davis, did more with less than any other QB ever has.

Favre, on the other hand did less with more than Elway ever had.

Oh please-what did Brett have in the early years?? They built the whole team around him.

Horseface had Plenty of INT's as well-many at Arrowhead.

What did Horseface do in the SB before TD?? SUCKED ASS!!! Donks got smoked.

Raised On Riots
07-15-2009, 04:08 PM
Enjoy:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2103_The_definitive_list%3A_Top_10_NFL_quarterbacks.html

Ouch! No horsey.

Buck
07-15-2009, 04:10 PM
Rivers has had plenty of outburst-I bet you could find them on Youtube. He probably had a tantrum after that kid beat him. :)

I value your opinion-but you root for the Chargers and me a better team-lol

I will never give ANY props to a rival-EVER. LT would be the only exception-because he is about as classy as you can get-plus all his charity work-that would be like baggin on Santa.

If you can find one good thing I have said about the Cheatin Donks, the Faders, or the SD-I will give you rep. They suck, and that is just how it is. :D

I'm sure I could find them, but hes not the kind of guy that finger-points after a loss, or take the credit after a win. He's a great teammate, and I'm glad hes on my team or I'd probably hate him too.

Hes not the same kind of whiny bitch as someone like LJ though. Hes in the good whiny bitch category.

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 04:10 PM
Enjoy:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2103_The_definitive_list%3A_Top_10_NFL_quarterbacks.html

Len Dawson was better-forgot him on the list. Broadway Joe.

So that makes him not in the top 12.

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 04:11 PM
Terry Bradshaw has 4 fuggin rings-he is better than Horseface too.

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 04:12 PM
I'm sure I could find them, but hes not the kind of guy that finger-points after a loss, or take the credit after a win. He's a great teammate, and I'm glad hes on my team or I'd probably hate him too.

Hes not the same kind of whiny bitch as someone like LJ though. Hes in the good whiny bitch category.

If we did not have to play him 2 times a year-I would probably like him a bit better. :D

Halfcan
07-15-2009, 04:14 PM
Ouch! No horsey.

yeah but I am the clueless one. :p

when are you guys going to learn-I KNOW my shit about football. :D

milkman
07-15-2009, 04:15 PM
Len Dawson was better-forgot him on the list. Broadway Joe.

So that makes him not in the top 12.

Brett Favre is the most overrated QB of all time.

Broadway Joe would be a close second in that category.

Just Passin' By
07-15-2009, 04:16 PM
yeah but I am the clueless one. :p

when are you guys going to learn-I KNOW my shit about football. :D

CHFF did some work for that article, but there are somewhere between 15-20 QBs who have a fair argument for being among the 10 best. Elway's one of them. I personally am comfortable with the top 9 making the list, but I'd expect there to be a lot of debate over Favre (at #10 on the CHFF list) when it's all said and done, unless Favre has an absolutely phenomenal season for the Vikings.

milkman
07-15-2009, 04:18 PM
Oh please-what did Brett have in the early years?? They built the whole team around him.

Horseface had Plenty of INT's as well-many at Arrowhead.

What did Horseface do in the SB before TD?? SUCKED ASS!!! Donks got smoked.

Those Packer teams in the mid 90s had outstanding D.

If Favre wasn't constantly putting them into untenable positions by giving the ball to the opposition, they would have been dominating.

They should have more than one SB, but Favre kept giving games away.

bayarealightning
07-15-2009, 06:32 PM
What I like is that if Rivers is so terrible, then what does that say about all of the other QBs in the league? Rivers play last year was statistically better than any other QB. Touchdowns, yards per attempts, interception ratio, 4th quarter play, plying with a lead, playing from behind, yards were all near the top last year. In fact, he had one of the greatest seasons in the history of the game. I guess you can shake a finger at 4,000 yards, 34 TDs, over 100 passer rating. They don't mean squat. Any QB can do those things.ROFL

This is a post that a Charger fan submitted:


Here's a look at all 32 QB's who qualified for the passing title last year, and how they performed during the 4th quarter when the game was within seven points.

2008 4th Quarter within 7 points

.................Att..Cmp...Cmp%...Yards...Y/A...TD...INT...QBRate

T.Romo............82...51...62.2.....720...8.8....8....1.....117.9
P.Rivers.........157...95...60.5...1,205...7.7...13....3.....104.1
K.Warner..........71...49...69.0.....611...8.6....4....2.....102.5
T.Edwards.........85...54...63.5.....758...8.9....5....2.....102.0
P.Manning.........79...48...60.8.....547...6.9....3....0......94.2
E.Manning.........78...52...66.7.....570...7.3....5....3......93.4
K.Collins.........87...51...58.6.....634...7.3....3....0......92.8
D.Brees..........130...81...62.3...1,063...8.2....9....6......91.9
J.Cutler.........160...95...59.4...1,140...7.1...10....4......91.7
D.McNabb..........98...56...57.1.....631...6.4....4....0......90.1

A.Rodgers........129...78...60.5...1,004...7.8....8....5......89.4
S.Hill............61...38...62.3.....438...7.2....3....2......86.6
C.Pennington.....139...89...64.0.....986...7.1....4....3......85.6
J.Delhomme........93...59...63.4.....736...7.9....3....3......85.2
S.Wallace.........57...33...57.9.....332...5.8....3....1......84.8
J.Campbell.......131...78...59.5.....898...6.9....4....2......84.1
B.Roethlisberger..94...57...60.6.....691...7.4....5....4......83.2
M.Ryan............96...56...58.3.....624...6.5....4....2......83.0
M.Schaub.........103...62...60.2.....728...7.1....3....3......79.3
J.Russell........103...52...50.5.....643...6.2....5....2......78.3

G.Frerotte........36...21...58.3.....274...7.6....2....2......77.8
M.Cassel..........96...56...58.3.....622...6.5....3....3......75.1
J.Flacco..........80...51...63.7.....632...7.9....3....5......74.6
R.Fitzpatrick.....22...14...63.6.....100...4.5....0....0......74.1
D.Garrard.........92...53...57.6.....547...5.9....2....3......68.5
T.Thigpen........122...61...50.0.....619...5.1....4....4......62.2
K.Orton...........94...53...56.4.....536...5.7....2....4......62.2
J.Garcia.........116...63...54.3.....590...5.1....4....5......62.1
D.Anderson........88...39...44.3.....431...4.9....3....3......56.6
B.Favre...........77...47...61.0.....384...5.0....1....4......56.4

D.Orlovsky........35...18...51.4.....175...5.0....0....1......53.9
M.Bulger.........136...71...52.2.....737...5.4....3....8......51.0

How bad was Brett Favre in crunch time last year? Let's put it this way; his 56.4 passer rating, is nearly as bad as Ryan Leaf's last season as a Bolt, when Leaf had a 56.2 passer rating. Yowsa!

Interesting note on Philip Rivers

With a lead.......103...64...62.1.....955...9.3...11....1.....124.0
While behind......339..221...65.2...2,745...8.1...21....8.. ..101.0
Ahead by 9-16 pts..18...16...88.9.....243..13.5....4....0.....158.3

The moral of the story being, don't let Philip Rivers get a lead on you!

Yeah, Rivers is trash!:shake:

Edit: By the way, I am going to the Hall of Fame game and ceremony. I will say a small prayer and give thanks that I was able to watch a great player like D. Thomas in his prime. He was a rival player, but you have to enjoy and give respect to greatness!

listopencil
07-15-2009, 08:07 PM
Enjoy:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2103_The_definitive_list%3A_Top_10_NFL_quarterbacks.html


Heh, just because weeesuckcoxatdipshitt.com makes a list doesn't make it true.

Phobia
07-15-2009, 08:42 PM
The accuracy challenge in the vid isn't indicative at all of any kind of game challenge. I think the NFL has done the best job of that with moving targets in the annual skills challenge which is generally televised around the pro-bowl. Quarterbacks don't throw into a stationary hole. They practice timing and good receivers are just as important to make a QB look good because they're capable of adjusting their speed and body positioning to the velocity of a ball.

Mile High Mania
07-15-2009, 08:46 PM
Enjoy:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2103_The_definitive_list%3A_Top_10_NFL_quarterbacks.html

ROFL Well, I'm sure you can find a list by someone ranking him #111 as well... nice find though, just proves you have to be careful about the information you receive from the web.

Just Passin' By
07-15-2009, 09:21 PM
ROFL Well, I'm sure you can find a list by someone ranking him #111 as well... nice find though, just proves you have to be careful about the information you receive from the web.

Really? And you base that upon what? Which player, other than arguably Favre, doesn't belong on that list?

Sure-Oz
07-16-2009, 02:54 PM
Hey, atleast Rivers didn't have the tape confiscated

JuicesFlowing
07-16-2009, 04:16 PM
Newscasters need to stop making lame jokes that make themselves fake laugh.

Buck
07-16-2009, 04:31 PM
I think that you should all watch this.

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Raised On Riots
07-16-2009, 04:32 PM
Ahnold has no juice anymore.

Next!

chiefbowe82
12-27-2009, 07:22 PM
hmm