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Claynus
07-16-2009, 11:53 PM
Hell yes. Twist that knife.

http://broncotalk.net/2009/07/jake-plummer-pokes-head-out-of-idaho-mountain-cabin-talks-broncos/

ďNothing amazes you or surprises you too much in the NFL. Iíve seen great football players, including myself, kind of cast aside because some coach feels thatís the way to go. Then you see Coach Mike Shanahan get pushed out. Itís always fun to see that stuff happen. Itís always different.

The NFL is always moving and shaking trying to find the next winner, the next guy whoís going to do it. Thatís kind of how the NFL has gone. Itís soured quite a few veterans that Iíve talked to, because it seems like itís a youth movement in a way. You can pay a younger guy less to do almost the same job a vet does.Ē

ďI think they got a good coach in there right now. Iím excited to see how they do. I like that quarterback they got, Orton. I think heís a tough kid thatís gonna, kind of like myself, just lead, heís not going to dazzle you in any way, but heís going to lead and through all his grit and determination heíll pull out a few more wins than maybe someone else might.Ē

Plummer sounded in good spirits about it, joking about the mega-mansion Shanahan has been building in Denver,

ďWell he was what, only 5′4Ē? So he wants people to think heís 5′6Ē, something like that?Ē

Plummer continued, ďIf I saw the man, Iíd go shake his hand. He gave me a chance to put a stamp on my career of a winner and get some good wins in there. I have to live with myself. Heís gotta live with himself down the road. So I donít have hard feelings and I donít hold grudges. He got his due there, I think it was a year past due. He should have been gone a year before and Iíve already said all that stuff. But heíll find himself somewhere coaching again and cutting some other good quarterback for another young kid. Who knows?Ē

acesn8s
07-16-2009, 11:59 PM
Iíve seen great football players, including myself...ROFL

splatbass
07-17-2009, 12:24 AM
Iíve seen great football players, including myself...

ROFL

I stopped reading at that point. :doh!:

KCChiefsMan
07-17-2009, 01:01 AM
wtf is this shit?

greg63
07-17-2009, 01:02 AM
...And I care why???

BigRock
07-17-2009, 01:34 AM
ďWell he was what, only 5′4Ē? So he wants people to think heís 5′6Ē, something like that?Ē

LOL short jokes

the Talking Can
07-17-2009, 04:23 AM
left handed bitterness

BossChief
07-17-2009, 04:43 AM
Jake must be laughing his ass off on how stuff played out in Denver.

The last time the Broncos were in the playoffs, Jake took them to the AFC championship game...since then "the next Elway" (Lol hahahahahahahalololol) took over and blew like eight games thst would have gotten them into the playoffs in three years and they have recently moved on from him to a lesser qb and are poised for a top five draft pick.

He should have played for Tampa...still wonder why he didnt...he wasnt great, but he was a decent qb and had a knack for winning games.

Shannahan was kinda dumb for not letting Jake finish out 06 as the starter...imho....but what do I know? I know why he did it, but you dont pull a quarterback thst just lead you to the afc championship game just because you drafted a qb in the first round.

Mile High Mania
07-17-2009, 05:07 AM
Jake must be laughing his ass off on how stuff played out in Denver.

The last time the Broncos were in the playoffs, Jake took them to the AFC championship game...since then "the next Elway" (Lol hahahahahahahalololol) took over and blew like eight games thst would have gotten them into the playoffs in three years and they have recently moved on from him to a lesser qb and are poised for a top five draft pick.

He should have played for Tampa...still wonder why he didnt...he wasnt great, but he was a decent qb and had a knack for winning games.

Shannahan was kinda dumb for not letting Jake finish out 06 as the starter...imho....but what do I know? I know why he did it, but you dont pull a quarterback thst just lead you to the afc championship game just because you drafted a qb in the first round.

ROFL This is a perfect example of a post when rival fans (we all do this) have revisionist views of history when it suits them.

Jake led Denver to the AFC Title game? Wow - you NEVER read that around here during the time, or shortly there after.

Jake took them there, but then Jay failed miserably... hmmm. And, the wild swing in defensive and rushing performance had nothing to do with it? Ok... carry on. :D

KCUnited
07-17-2009, 06:03 AM
Jake originally tried to deliver this to Yahoo Sports but it was picked off by Broncotalk.net.

ncCHIEFfan
07-17-2009, 06:09 AM
Yeah, I remeber "The Snake" failing misirably!

BossChief
07-17-2009, 06:15 AM
ROFL This is a perfect example of a post when rival fans (we all do this) have revisionist views of history when it suits them.

Jake led Denver to the AFC Title game? Wow - you NEVER read that around here during the time, or shortly there after.

Jake took them there, but then Jay failed miserably... hmmm. And, the wild swing in defensive and rushing performance had nothing to do with it? Ok... carry on. :D

I see what you are saying, but I also have always thought a qb does factor in to a defense and running game.

Denvers running game has ALWAYS been productive, so dont use that as an excuse...they have always maintained a good oline and that has enabled them to be productive through many running backs, it has also helped them keep their qbs healthy and productive.

The defense played better when the team held the persona of a contender...I always believed Cutler to be immature and not a great "TEAM leader" the defense he was handed was just fine, a top unit .

Just more for Jake to laugh about.

MS should never have had power over defensive personel or else they would still have players such as Trevor Pryce and would have gotten a Al Wilson replacement when he wasnt brought back, especially when Vilma became available. Lets not even talk about how he basicaly gave away Lynchs position, not due to competition.

Jake Plummer took a Cardinals team to the playoffs remember? They surely didnt have a top defense.

some qbs DEFINATLY effect their defenses play whether it be by attitude, field position, level of leadership, matureness, etc.

Add that alltogether and you have a leader of a team that got worse the longer he lead it.

In this respect I believe Orton will be much better for the team...I am willing to wager their defense will get better each year he is the qb.

Not saying it plays as big a part as a coach, or elite players or general talent across the board...just saying an immature qb such as JC doesnt instill massive confidence like a fearless gunslinger like Plummer did...I remember Broncos fans proclaiming him the next Elway too. That guy had a moxie that Cutler might never have...

BossChief
07-17-2009, 06:42 AM
really though...all Jay had to do was win the final game of the year in any of the last three and his team was in the playoffs...I can remember before the game last year against SD when Cutler and Rivers were walking to midfield and Rivers bitchslapped Cutler with his eyes. That right there told me he didnt have it, yet anyway, and that Rivers was twice the player.

Bwana
07-17-2009, 06:54 AM
And the hits keep coming.

Mile High Mania
07-17-2009, 07:02 AM
I see what you are saying, but I also have always thought a qb does factor in to a defense and running game.

Denvers running game has ALWAYS been productive, so dont use that as an excuse...they have always maintained a good oline and that has enabled them to be productive through many running backs, it has also helped them keep their qbs healthy and productive.

The defense played better when the team held the persona of a contender...I always believed Cutler to be immature and not a great "TEAM leader" the defense he was handed was just fine, a top unit .

Just more for Jake to laugh about.

MS should never have had power over defensive personel or else they would still have players such as Trevor Pryce and would have gotten a Al Wilson replacement when he wasnt brought back, especially when Vilma became available. Lets not even talk about how he basicaly gave away Lynchs position, not due to competition.

Jake Plummer took a Cardinals team to the playoffs remember? They surely didnt have a top defense.

some qbs DEFINATLY effect their defenses play whether it be by attitude, field position, level of leadership, matureness, etc.

Add that alltogether and you have a leader of a team that got worse the longer he lead it.

In this respect I believe Orton will be much better for the team...I am willing to wager their defense will get better each year he is the qb.

Not saying it plays as big a part as a coach, or elite players or general talent across the board...just saying an immature qb such as JC doesnt instill massive confidence like a fearless gunslinger like Plummer did...I remember Broncos fans proclaiming him the next Elway too. That guy had a moxie that Cutler might never have...

Enh, I don't buy the notion that your QB affects how your defense performs... look at the ravens and there are several other examples.

And, look at the production on defense and in the ground game during the 3 years with Plummer and the 2 with Cutler.

Under Plummer, they always had over 2k rushing as a team... they never reached that mark with Cutler and the defense fell off statistically as well.

I can't explain it, other than to say Shanahan became a madman with RBs... trading or moving any that topped 1,000 yards rushing, starting with Portis - look it up. Defensively, they're poor performance had more to do with the revolving door at Def Coordinator and failed high $ FAs than the QB.

And the hits keep coming.

Enh, this is nothing really... other than a sign that it's a slow week in sports.

Mile High Mania
07-17-2009, 07:10 AM
I will say this about Plummer... he had talent and could play at a high level, he just had mental mistakes at the worst possible time in the game. I think he played well while in Denver and I do think he got a raw deal at that point in the season when he was benched at 7-4 (I believe) and they were still in the hunt. I understand why they made the move, but I think that was throwing the towel in at that moment and didn't like it.

LaChapelle
07-17-2009, 07:24 AM
Did someone bump his Honda Element again?

Mile High Mania
07-17-2009, 07:28 AM
Did someone bump his Honda Element again?

It's still funny to me that people ride him for this one... sure it was odd, but I guess he should have had a tricked up Hummer or Escalade.

LaChapelle
07-17-2009, 07:32 AM
It's still funny to me that people ride him for this one... sure it was odd, but I guess he should have had a tricked up Hummer or Escalade.

Didn't this happen about the same time he was voted hottest athlete by a gay mag?

Mile High Mania
07-17-2009, 07:32 AM
Didn't this happen about the same time he was voted hottest athlete in a gay mag?

Dunno, I don't subscribe to any... ask Claythan.

Sofa King
07-17-2009, 07:37 AM
no mention of what plummer is doing with his life post-football....

i would like to know.... hopefully he's planning a comeback... QBOTF?

LaChapelle
07-17-2009, 07:39 AM
He's like a hand ball wizard or some such shit.

Mile High Mania
07-17-2009, 07:39 AM
no mention of what plummer is doing with his life post-football....

i would like to know.... hopefully he's planning a comeback... QBOTF?

per Wiki:
"Since his NFL retirement, Plummer is an avid player of 4-Wall Handball. Jake attended his first professional handball tournament in 2007 when he entered the Simple Green US Open of Handball (with brother Eric) in the pro doubles division; eventually losing to future hall of fame members John Bike and Danny Bell. In 2008 Jake Plummer hosted his own pro invitational and lost in the finals of the pro consulation bracket to #37 ranked, Jeff Kastner. Jake Plummer played and lost in the semifinals versus brother Eric Plummer (eventual champion) at this year's 2008 Idaho State Singles Championships."

CoMoChief
07-17-2009, 07:39 AM
ROFL

ROFL, I just fell out of my chair.

Claynus
07-17-2009, 07:54 AM
No doubt the most amusing part of this is Plummer's insinuation that the Broncos would have been better off with him at QB.

As MHM said...stick Plummer in there with a lackluster running game and absolutely no defense and see how high you draft the next year...

Mr. Flopnuts
07-17-2009, 08:51 AM
He got his due there, I think it was a year past due. He should have been gone a year before and Iíve already said all that stuff. But heíll find himself somewhere coaching again and cutting some other good quarterback for another young kid. Who knows?

LMAO Someone forgot to take their bitter pills.

Mile High Mania
07-17-2009, 08:55 AM
LMAO Someone forgot to take their bitter pills.

Yeah, I'm sure his ideal landing spot was Houston, but it didn't happen... if he wanted to play and thought he was "that good", he should have shown up in Tampa.

Just Passin' By
07-17-2009, 08:58 AM
I don't see the big deal. He's right. Plummer shouldn't have been taken out when he was, and Shanahan should have been fired at least a year earlier.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-17-2009, 08:59 AM
Yeah, I'm sure his ideal landing spot was Houston, but it didn't happen... if he wanted to play and thought he was "that good", he should have shown up in Tampa.

He was a whiny bitch about it, and somehow I don't think handball is going to have the staying power to pay the bills. He's going to regret that at some point down the line. That's when all that bullshit about not holding a grudge will go out the window. He'll blame Mike Shanahan instead of himself. And that guy has no one to blame but himself.

DaFace
07-17-2009, 09:03 AM
ROFL This is a perfect example of a post when rival fans (we all do this) have revisionist views of history when it suits them.

Jake led Denver to the AFC Title game? Wow - you NEVER read that around here during the time, or shortly there after.

Jake took them there, but then Jay failed miserably... hmmm. And, the wild swing in defensive and rushing performance had nothing to do with it? Ok... carry on. :D

Yep, it happens all the time. I try and keep myself near-neutral, but then it's still hard just because your opinions toward players are swayed by whether or not you like them in general (partly because of their team). Just like cutler7624 suddenly pointing out Cutler's negative aspects and emphasizing Orton's positive aspects, Chiefs fans probably do the same. Now that Cutler's gone, we can admit he was pretty damn good, and we want to believe that Orton's going to fail.

JuicesFlowing
07-17-2009, 05:25 PM
Uh, Plummer is wrong. Their "new" coach isn't going to do so well. Nothing to get excited about here, move along ...

RedNeckRaider
07-17-2009, 05:35 PM
I quit reading at this point
"Iíve seen great football players, including myself, kind of cast aside because some coach feels thatís the way to go"