The Beer Summit- hope the beer is good for a change. ROFL

[memyselfI]

OMG, the drama queen president is actually going to have a beer outside so the world can see him healing wounds and bringing people together. Lite will be beering while Rome is burning.

Cheers!!! :BLVD:

[wild1]

It was silly for them to try to leverage this crisis into a distraction. The more they touch it, the worse it gets. They should have just left his comments where they were and ignored all the crosstalk. The groveling for forgiveness, the picnic table and beer business just makes him look even stupider. The whole thing is very comical and quite unpresidential.

[Reaper16]

What the participants drank:

Obama - Bud Light
Gates - Red Stripe
Crowley - Blue Moon

All three poor beers, all three from foreign companies.

[PostRockPablo]

What the participants drank:

Obama - Bud Light
Gates - Red Stripe
Crowley - Blue Moon

All three poor beers, all three from foreign companies.They should have all drank PBR outta the can like men.

[Reaper16]

They should have all drank PBR outta the can like men.
PBR is distinctly American: cheap and tastes like corn.

[PostRockPablo]

PBR is distinctly American: cheap and tastes like corn.I shot pool and drank PBR all last night. It was wonderful.

[memyselfI]

I think is going to mark a turning point for Lite. His numbers are headed downward and I think people will look at this moment and see where he cemented his dissent towards the abyss.

He created a huge problem for himself and what did he do in response? Hold some opportunistic theatrical summit DURING the evening network news. He is making Bubba look downright sophisticated.

[Jenson71]

Do they not have Carlos O'Kelly's half price margaritas on Thursdays? :drool:

[mlyonsd]

How the **** did Biden get invited?

I can just imagine Biden telling jokes after a few beers. Pretty risky if you ask me.

[Taco John]

This is easily the stupidest media stunt I've ever seen in my life.

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/4/44/444b747631041814ad44a347280bb741.jpeg?x=426&y=200&xc=1&yc=1&wc=426&hc=200&q=85&sig=UpcVwra97cTp3W9HC5aR2Q--

[memyselfI]

This is easily the stupidest media stunt I've ever seen in my life.

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/4/44/444b747631041814ad44a347280bb741.jpeg?x=426&y=200&xc=1&yc=1&wc=426&hc=200&q=85&sig=UpcVwra97cTp3W9HC5aR2Q--

Undoubtedly practicing to settle the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. LMAOLMAOLMAO

[mlyonsd]

This is easily the stupidest media stunt I've ever seen in my life.

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/4/44/444b747631041814ad44a347280bb741.jpeg?x=426&y=200&xc=1&yc=1&wc=426&hc=200&q=85&sig=UpcVwra97cTp3W9HC5aR2Q--

Uhhhh, my pick would be 'Mission Accomplished'.

[Taco John]

Watching this video makes me lose faith in humanity in general.


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[memyselfI]

How the **** did Biden get invited?

I can just imagine Biden telling jokes after a few beers. Pretty risky if you ask me.

They probably needed another white guy so that Crowley didn't look out numbered. ROFL

[memyselfI]

Uhhhh, my pick would be 'Mission Accomplished'.

Yup. But this one will prove to be just as damaging...

[Taco John]

Uhhhh, my pick would be 'Mission Accomplished'.

It says something about this one that it made me forget about that one entirely.

[mlyonsd]

It says something about this one that it made me forget about that one entirely.:LOL:

[memyselfI]

It says something about this one that it made me forget about that one entirely.

It also says something when Mission Accomplished happened in Regular's THIRD year while this farce happened barely over 6 months into Lite's.

[mlyonsd]

Yup. But this one will prove to be just as damaging...

I don't know. I don't see any damage being done.

I will say I'd have thought more of it if the photo ops would have been limited to Obama walking with the two of them before.

This just looks staged and nothing more than a political stunt. Especially with Biden there.

That being said I envy the cop, I'd like to sit down with Obama and Biden to have a beer. I'd have lots of questions to ask.

[memyselfI]

I don't know. I don't see any damage being done.

I will say I'd have thought more of it if the photo ops would have been limited to Obama walking with the two of them before.

This just looks staged and nothing more than a political stunt. Especially with Biden there.

That being said I envy the cop, I'd like to sit down with Obama and Biden to have a beer. I'd have lots of questions to ask.

Here's where it's damaging...

Lite is more popular than his policies. For some unknown reason many people still have faith that he is who he said he is and is not manipulating them. Situations like these chip away at that belief and force people to accept that they are being played just like with any other politician.

Same as it ever was...

[Taco John]

I don't know. I don't see any damage being done.

I will say I'd have thought more of it if the photo ops would have been limited to Obama walking with the two of them before.

This just looks staged and nothing more than a political stunt. Especially with Biden there.

That being said I envy the cop, I'd like to sit down with Obama and Biden to have a beer. I'd have lots of questions to ask.



I do see damage being done, because of the fact that it's a staged event with no clear message. It makes Obama look like a phony. If I was Obama's image advisor, I'd have argued adamantly against this and begged the president to stay out of this thing - and if he had to speak on this, speak on this at a very high level that touches the core of why there is a controversy here: the point where police power is abused and the point where the public servants are abused by the people who they are supposed to be / presumably be trying to serve.

This could have been a pure gold opportunity for Obama to start a conversation in this country worth having. Instead, it's turned into a staged media spectacle that looks and feels fake. I mean, look at this thing and tell me: where's the beef? How are American's being served by this thing as it is now.

Both men acted inappropriately. Both men should be ashamed of themselves in their role in this thing. They are both national disgraces as far as I'm concerned for partaking in the co-creation of this situation in the first place. And there's Obama staging a phony event with them, which out of it will come analysis of such things as what each beer brand represents to the collective consciousness of America, the significance of Joe Biden being asked to join them at the table, and of course other meaningless minutia surrounding Obamas decisions surrounding the meeting..

At least with "Mission Accomplished," it was clear to me the message that Bush was trying to get across. I have absolutely no idea what message Obama is trying to advance here, except, "hey, look at me. I'm drinking a beer." It lends support to the idea that his presidency (and ideas) lack substance.

[redsurfer11]

No apology from Obama or Gates.

[Mojo Jojo]

Best line, and I paraphrase,
Q: What did the President bring to the meeting?
A: He provided the beer.

[Reaper16]

It says something about this one that it made me forget about that one entirely.
Fucking Christ, the hyperbole of this post.

[blaise]

That photo looks like when the four rodeo clowns sit and pretend to play poker until the bull comes over and smashes it all to hell.
And these guys look about as comfortable as those clowns.

[mlyonsd]

I do see damage being done, because of the fact that it's a staged event with no clear message. It makes Obama look like a phony. If I was Obama's image advisor, I'd have argued adamantly against this and begged the president to stay out of this thing - and if he had to speak on this, speak on this at a very high level that touches the core of why there is a controversy here: the point where police power is abused and the point where the public servants are abused by the people who they are supposed to be / presumably be trying to serve.

This could have been a pure gold opportunity for Obama to start a conversation in this country worth having. Instead, it's turned into a staged media spectacle that looks and feels fake. I mean, look at this thing and tell me: where's the beef? How are American's being served by this thing as it is now.

Both men acted inappropriately. Both men should be ashamed of themselves in their role in this thing. They are both national disgraces as far as I'm concerned for partaking in the co-creation of this situation in the first place. And there's Obama staging a phony event with them, which out of it will come analysis of such things as what each beer brand represents to the collective consciousness of America, the significance of Joe Biden being asked to join them at the table, and of course other meaningless minutia surrounding Obamas decisions surrounding the meeting..

At least with "Mission Accomplished," it was clear to me the message that Bush was trying to get across. I have absolutely no idea what message Obama is trying to advance here, except, "hey, look at me. I'm drinking a beer." It lends support to the idea that his presidency (and ideas) lack substance.
I think you and meme are over reacting, JMO.

Yes, it ended up being a political stunt. But there could be racial gains made by the public seeing guys that came out at each other in the press sitting down for a beer.

I know Obama is just another politician but I still think deep down he's a good person. He's still new at this and I'll give him a break for the beer stunt. I do think he should have publicly apologized to Crowley and the Cambridge Police Department though.

Obama's future actions will determine if he's learned something. I'm hoping he has because he really does have the opportunity before him to make a difference in race relations in the US. There maybe hasn't been this opportunity since Lincoln. Time will tell.

[Taco John]

I think Obama is a genuinely good guy who is making mistakes and not capitalizing on them where he could. I don't see how this event does anything for race relations at all. The true core of this issue isn't about race, unless you believe the cop is a racist. Which I don't.

[Saul Good]

What the participants drank:

Obama - Bud Light
Gates - Red Stripe
Crowley - Blue Moon

All three poor beers, all three from foreign companies.

How apropos that Obama drank "Lite" beer.

[Saul Good]

Yes, it ended up being a political stunt. But there could be racial gains made by the public seeing guys that came out at each other in the press sitting down for a beer.

Did you, personally, get anything out of watching these guys stage an event in which beer was served, or do you mean that the average, unintelligent man on the street might?

[Saul Good]

This is easily the stupidest media stunt I've ever seen in my life.

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/4/44/444b747631041814ad44a347280bb741.jpeg?x=426&y=200&xc=1&yc=1&wc=426&hc=200&q=85&sig=UpcVwra97cTp3W9HC5aR2Q--

It's awkward and uncomfortable to watch in the same way that watching a stand-up comedian flop makes you cringe.

Could it possibly have been made to look more unnatural? Let's get some guys together in suits and ties and sit around and drink beer and bond like men. That's what men do, right? Why do I get the feeling that Obama was never "one of the guys"?

[mlyonsd]

I think Obama is a genuinely good guy who is making mistakes and not capitalizing on them where he could. I don't see how this event does anything for race relations at all. The true core of this issue isn't about race, unless you believe the cop is a racist. Which I don't.

I'm not saying this is a giant leap or anything towards race relations. That will take generations. I'm just hoping some kid who might not know what the whole thing is about sees it as some guys that sat down to discuss their differences.

The fact it was done as a political stunt is sad, but there can be an upside to the pictures of three guys and Biden sitting down to talk. I'd have been much happier if Biden weren't there.

[Reaper16]

It's awkward and uncomfortable to watch in the same way that watching a stand-up comedian flop makes you cringe.

Could it possibly have been made to look more unnatural? Let's get some guys together in suits and ties and sit around and drink beer and bond like men. That's what men do, right? Why do I get the feeling that Obama was never "one of the guys"?
What constitutes being "one of the guys?"

[Saul Good]

What constitutes being "one of the guys?"

I'm pretty sure that you will never know the answer to that question.

[Reaper16]

I'm pretty sure that you will never know the answer to that question.
Only because you're being coy about an honest question.

[Saul Good]

Only because you're being coy about an honest question.

It generally involves being a part of a group of guys who genuinely enjoy each others' company, can bullshit about nothing, and don't really care what they look like doing it.

In other words, it's the exact opposite of everything Obama stands for. I would bet that he doesn't enjoy anything that doesn't put him at the center of attention, give him an opportunity to show off how smart he is, or make people see him exactly in the light he wants to be seen.

[mlyonsd]

Did you, personally, get anything out of watching these guys stage an event in which beer was served, or do you mean that the average, unintelligent man on the street might?

No, personally I didn't get anything out of the pictures and I haven't listened to any interviews after the fact.

I do think Obama has a great opportunity (minus his socialistic agenda) to do some good for race relations during his presidency. In this particular instance he initially acted like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson would, but I'm hoping he realizes he can take us all a step further by learning from that and showing us all what the correct response should have been.....to help mend race relations.

Like I said he's just like every other politician but I still hold out hope he can overcome that.

[Reaper16]

It generally involves being a part of a group of guys who genuinely enjoy each others' company, can bullshit about nothing, and don't really care what they look like doing it.

In other words, it's the exact opposite of everything Obama stands for. I would bet that he doesn't enjoy anything that doesn't put him at the center of attention, give him an opportunity to show off how smart he is, or make people see him exactly in the light he wants to be seen.
OK, he's been "one of the guys" before, then. There are numerous examples of that in his memoir.

[memyselfI]

How apropos that Obama drank "Lite" beer.

ROFL. Good catch.

[Saul Good]

OK, he's been "one of the guys" before, then. There are numerous examples of that in his memoir.

Part of being "one of the guys" involves not writing a memoir about being "one of the guys." It's kind of an unwritten rule right up there with thespians not ever understanding what it means to be "one of the guys."

[KCTitus]

Part of being "one of the guys" involves not writing a memoir about being "one of the guys." It's kind of an unwritten rule right up there with thespians not ever understanding what it means to be "one of the guys."

I thought it was just not wearing mom pants and knowing how to throw a ball...baseball, football, etc. and not look like a flip boy in the process.

[Saul Good]

ROFL. Good catch.Thanks

[wild1]

The only feeling I get watching those clips is embarrassment.

This is the President of the United States.

[Reaper16]

Part of being "one of the guys" involves not writing a memoir about being "one of the guys." It's kind of an unwritten rule right up there with thespians not ever understanding what it means to be "one of the guys."
Hey, those rules weren't mentioned in that post before. You were holding out on me.

It was a memoir about identity. And I can't be one of the guys because I've acted? You're perspective is warped.

[Saul Good]

I can't be one of the guys because I've acted? You're perspective is warped.

I'll take a stab and guess that nobody would ever describe you as a "man's man." (At least not in the traditional sense.)

[Reaper16]

I'll take a stab and guess that nobody would ever describe you as a "man's man." (At least not in the traditional sense.)
No, they would not. I'm nerdy, smart, a voracious reader, empathetic, obsessed with shoes, snobbish. That said, I also hunt, fish, listen to heavy metal, make fun of people, and bullshit with the best of them.

[headsnap]

I'd rather have a beer with Fear...

[KC Dan]

No, they would not. I'm nerdy, smart, a voracious reader, empathetic, obsessed with shoes, snobbish. That said, I also hunt, fish, listen to heavy metal, make fun of people, and bullshit with the best of them.Take out the hunting and you have the Definition of a 16 yr old girl

LMAO

[Reaper16]

Take out the hunting and you have the Definition of a 16 yr old girl

LMAOI know precisely zero sixteen year old girls that would fit that description. Neither do you.

[KC Dan]

I know precisely zero sixteen year old girls that would fit that description. Neither do you.Your right, she's 22 - my obama loving next door, outdoorsy, speed metal bassist, Bachelor's in Education, smartazz neighbor, thanks for playing kid

[Reaper16]

Your right, she's 22 - my obama loving next door, outdoorsy, speed metal bassist, Bachelor's in Education, smartazz neighbor, thanks for playing kid
Address? I think I'm in love already.

[KC Dan]

I know precisely zero sixteen year old girls that would fit that description. Neither do you.BTW, do you have a gun that goes with your red shoes?:evil:

[KC Dan]

Address? I think I'm in love already.She was a widow for two years (Marine husband died in Iraq) but just got married two weeks ago and she is HOT.

[Reaper16]

BTW, do you have a gun that goes with your red shoes?:evil:
Ugh, heels? I'd wear that red leather dress before I rocked platform shoes with heels.

She was a widow for two years (Marine husband died in Iraq) but just got married two weeks ago and she is HOT.
Darn the luck.

[Saul Good]

She was a widow for two years (Marine husband died in Iraq) but just got married two weeks ago and she is HOT.

So she's into the strong, protecting type? Sorry, Reaper.

[KC Dan]

So she's into the strong, protecting type? Sorry, Reaper.Her new husband is a big guy and provides me with a free beer whenever I get home and he is outside. Did I say that he was a great guy?

[Saul Good]

Her new husband is a big guy and provides me with a free beer whenever I get home and he is outside. Did I say that he was a great guy?

Do you go put on suits and invite the media before you drink your beers only to write a memoir about it later?

[KC Dan]

Do you go put on suits and invite the media before you drink your beers only to write a memoir about it later?Ha!

[Reaper16]

So she's into the strong, protecting type? Sorry, Reaper.
It appears so. The whole skinny, snarky thing I've got going on isn't exactly helping me out any.

[Reaper16]

Do you go put on suits and invite the media before you drink your beers only to write a memoir about it later?
Hey, sir, disparage this embarrassing media stunt all you want but leave creative nonfiction writing out of it.

[Saul Good]

Ha!

See how the thread just went full-circle?

[Saul Good]

Hey, sir, disparage this embarrassing media stunt all you want but leave creative nonfiction writing out of it.

Seriously, how self-important do you have to be to write a memoir before you've accomplished anything?

[Reaper16]

Seriously, how self-important do you have to be to write a memoir before you've accomplished anything?
I think that your perception of the literary genre of memoir is skewed by when famous people or politicians put out memoirs or autobiographies.

[redsurfer11]

Only because you're being coy about an honest question.


You used coy in a sentence, and it didn't involve fish? You'll never be one of the guys.

[BucEyedPea]

I'm not saying this is a giant leap or anything towards race relations. That will take generations. I'm just hoping some kid who might not know what the whole thing is about sees it as some guys that sat down to discuss their differences.

The fact it was done as a political stunt is sad, but there can be an upside to the pictures of three guys and Biden sitting down to talk. I'd have been much happier if Biden weren't there.

Well, that's what I liked about it. Although, I'll admit when you see the video in this thread with all the media it does appear staged. What isn't though?
I think it could end this brouhaha. If not it says more about the spectators. Like Fox milking it forever.

[tomahawk kid]

Here's what I don't get -

When I heard yesterday morning that Obama was drinking Bud Light, I KNEW he was going to get hammered for not drinking an American Beer (i.e. Sam Adams, Yuenling etc.)

Do the people around him not anticipate stuff like this?

BTW - I don't believe for a minute that Bud Light is his favorite beer. I'm guessing they went with an "every man" beer still thinking it was a domestic.

[dirk digler]

Here's what I don't get -

When I heard yesterday morning that Obama was drinking Bud Light, I KNEW he was going to get hammered for not drinking an American Beer (i.e. Sam Adams, Yuenling etc.)

Do the people around him not anticipate stuff like this?

BTW - I don't believe for a minute that Bud Light is his favorite beer. I'm guessing they went with an "every man" beer still thinking it was a domestic.

People are complaining that he had a Bud Light? LMAO Seriously people need to get a life.

I will always consider Budweiser an American beer and Bud Light is my favorite beer along with Dos Equis. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to drink Sam Adams that shit is gross. IMO it is about as bad as the beast.

[blaise]

People are complaining that he had a Bud Light? LMAO Seriously people need to get a life.

I will always consider Budweiser an American beer and Bud Light is my favorite beer along with Dos Equis. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to drink Sam Adams that shit is gross. IMO it is about as bad as the beast.

I don't care what he drank, but dude, Bud Lite is foul.

[Chief Henry]

How many beers did they drink ? I hope they had more than just one.

Who the hell drinks just one beer when they're with other dudes ?

My beer of choice would have been La Batt Blue.

[dirk digler]

I don't care what he drank, but dude, Bud Lite is foul.

Really? I love Bud Lite. What is your favorite?

[tomahawk kid]

Really? I love Bud Lite. What is your favorite?

Anything that doesn't taste like beer water.

Boulevard Unfiltered Wheat and / or Leine's Honey Weiss would probably be the top 2 contenders.

Sam Adam's is quality. It's certainly not my favorite, but I wouldn't turn one down.

[Baby Lee]

Couldn't they have scrounged up some burgers to put fancy dijon mustard on?

[blaise]

Really? I love Bud Lite. What is your favorite?

I don't know if I have a favorite. I generally don't like "beer snob guy". If you know what you like, then that's what you like, so maybe I shouldn't criticize. It's just a matter of taste I guess, I'm just not a fan of Bud Lite. If I'm going to drink a beer similar to that (a lawnmower beer some people call it) I generally go Miller Lite, Miller Genuine Draft or Rolling Rock. I'm sure plenty of people would say those are foul too. I would prefer Labatt or Yuengling for that but you generally don't see those around here much.
So, I guess drink what you want.

[tomahawk kid]

I don't know if I have a favorite. I generally don't like "beer snob guy". If you know what you like, then that's what you like, so maybe I shouldn't criticize. It's just a matter of taste I guess, I'm just not a fan of Bud Lite. If I'm going to drink a beer similar to that (a lawnmower beer some people call it) I generally go Miller Lite, Miller Genuine Draft or Rolling Rock. I'm sure plenty of people would say those are foul too. I would prefer Labatt or Yuengling for that but you generally don't see those around here much.
So, I guess drink what you want.

I would agree. I like a good Miller Lite "yard beer" on a hot day as well.

Bud Light, to me, just has no flavor.....

[dirk digler]

I don't know if I have a favorite. I generally don't like "beer snob guy". If you know what you like, then that's what you like, so maybe I shouldn't criticize. It's just a matter of taste I guess, I'm just not a fan of Bud Lite. If I'm going to drink a beer similar to that (a lawnmower beer some people call it) I generally go Miller Lite, Miller Genuine Draft or Rolling Rock. I'm sure plenty of people would say those are foul too. I would prefer Labatt or Yuengling for that but you generally don't see those around here much.
So, I guess drink what you want.

I hear ya. I am trying to broaden my horizons sort of speak by trying different beers. I do enjoy Miller Lite as well it would be in my Top 5-10. I am putting Labatt in my try list as I have noticed several people mention how good that is.

[rockymtnchief]

No matter what kind of beer they drank, it should've been served by a hot chick, a biker dude, a cowboy, or someone looking like Sammy Haggar. Not some stiff in a suit carrying one beer at a time on a platter.

And where were the hot wings or nachos?

[patteeu]

This is easily the stupidest media stunt I've ever seen in my life.

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/4/44/444b747631041814ad44a347280bb741.jpeg?x=426&y=200&xc=1&yc=1&wc=426&hc=200&q=85&sig=UpcVwra97cTp3W9HC5aR2Q--

It rivals Bill Clinton "finding" magic rocks on a rockless beach to make a cross in honor of our fallen troops at Normandy or the time he and hillary spontaneously decided to dance on the beach where they knew the media would "catch them" during the Lewinsky scandal.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729101705AA6PHGf

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[Chief Henry]

It rivals Bill Clinton "finding" magic rocks on a rockless beach to make a cross in honor of our fallen troops at Normandy or the time he and hillary spontaneously decided to dance on the beach where they knew the media would "catch them" during the Lewinsky scandal.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729101705AA6PHGf

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Whats the over/under on how many BJ's Clinton received from women other than his wife while he was in office for 8 years ?

I bet he got one at least every other month from someone other than
his wife while he was the commander in chief.

[dirk digler]

I bet he got one at least every other month from someone other than
his wife while he was the commander in chief.

Wouldn't you? ;)

[Chief Henry]

Wouldn't you? ;)

With Hillary as your wife, no doubt.

[RaiderH8r]

They needed to get totally shithoused to make any real progress. They're men, hell a quick drunken fist fight, a shaking of hands and shots of whiskey put these things to bed. And whover thought it would be a good idea to sit these guys outside for an extended period in dark wool suits in DC's 90+degree July with 80%+ humidity should be hit with a brick until the dumb falls out. No matter how collegial NOBODY can look at ease in this situaiton. This all should have been done on Nixon's bowling alley over a game and a good, old fashioned, drink off.

I like the premise of having a bull session to talk it out but this was not a bull session over beer. This was a hackneyed attempt at PR that failed.

It would have been hilarious had they played a game of asshole.

[dirk digler]

With Hillary as your wife, no doubt.

Cmon now Hillary is a sexy beast with her thunder thighs.

[Donger]

I don't see the drama.

[blaise]

I don't see the drama.

No, mostly just comedy.

[RaiderH8r]

Cmon now Hillary is a sexy beast with her thunder thighs.

Her ass looks like a 250 lb bag of play dough that got beaten with a sock full of nickles.

The sad part is, so does Monica's. If you're going to go for strange at least get an upgrade.

[patteeu]

Here's what I don't get -

When I heard yesterday morning that Obama was drinking Bud Light, I KNEW he was going to get hammered for not drinking an American Beer (i.e. Sam Adams, Yuenling etc.)

Do the people around him not anticipate stuff like this?

BTW - I don't believe for a minute that Bud Light is his favorite beer. I'm guessing they went with an "every man" beer still thinking it was a domestic.

I suspect that this is your answer (http://most-popular.net/beer-america):

Can you guess what the worlds most popular beer is? If you guessed Budweiser, you were just partially right. I’ll give you another hint: it was introduced in 1982. Have you figured it out yet? OK, I’ll give you another hint. It is a classic American light lager. Yes you finally got it, Bud Light.

[patteeu]

I hear ya. I am trying to broaden my horizons sort of speak by trying different beers. I do enjoy Miller Lite as well it would be in my Top 5-10. I am putting Labatt in my try list as I have noticed several people mention how good that is.

+1 endorsing Labatt Blue

[RaiderH8r]

I suspect that this is your answer (http://most-popular.net/beer-america):

The union folks at PBR are peeved.

[Chief Henry]

+1 endorsing Labatt Blue

If a bar has LaBatt Blue, thats what I'm having.

[patteeu]

I like the premise of having a bull session to talk it out but this was not a bull session over beer. This was a hackneyed attempt at PR that failed.

How often does this President entertain on the white house lawn? I think the cop should have politely declined to be a pawn in the President's shameless PR stunt or alternatively he could have offered to host the get-together in his basement or at his local watering hole.

[RaiderH8r]

How often does this President entertain on the white house lawn? I think the cop should have politely declined to be a pawn in the President's shameless PR stunt or alternatively he could have offered to host the get-together in his basement or at his local watering hole.

Yep. Do the thing at a VFW or some such dive bar. Then, when Biden is taking a leak, slip him a roofie and leave him in a dumpster. Great opportunity to bond over a classic gag.

I guarantee there was a lot of swamp ass at that table. Gold Bond can only last so long and yesterday was warm.

[dirk digler]

How often does this President entertain on the white house lawn? I think the cop should have politely declined to be a pawn in the President's shameless PR stunt or alternatively he could have offered to host the get-together in his basement or at his local watering hole.

Wasn't it Crowley suggestion to have a beer at the WH?

[wild1]

I think the cop should have politely declined to be a pawn in the President's shameless PR stunt

I would hope that I would have the courage to decline to be a part in this PR stunt. But I know that he also probably has to think about his job and what would happen to him if he snubbed BO. Look at what happened to Joe the Plumber and such. I don't blame him for sitting there politely and drinking his drink while the guy who insulted him and more or less called him racist did not apologize. He's an officer, it's not like he's independently wealthy or very powerful himself. Precarious situation for an average person.

[rockymtnchief]

They needed to get totally shithoused to make any real progress. They're men, hell a quick drunken fist fight, a shaking of hands and shots of whiskey put these things to bed. And whover thought it would be a good idea to sit these guys outside for an extended period in dark wool suits in DC's 90+degree July with 80%+ humidity should be hit with a brick until the dumb falls out. No matter how collegial NOBODY can look at ease in this situaiton. This all should have been done on Nixon's bowling alley over a game and a good, old fashioned, drink off.

I like the premise of having a bull session to talk it out but this was not a bull session over beer. This was a hackneyed attempt at PR that failed.

It would have been hilarious had they played a game of asshole.
Exactly what I was thinking. :clap:

[dirk digler]

I would hope that I would have the courage to decline to be a part in this PR stunt. But I know that he also probably has to think about his job and what would happen to him if he snubbed BO. Look at what happened to Joe the Plumber and such. I don't blame him for sitting there politely and drinking his drink while the guy who insulted him and more or less called him racist did not apologize. He's an officer, it's not like he's independently wealthy or very powerful himself. Precarious situation for an average person.

Am I missing something?

Sergeant Crowley suggested that he and Professor Gates come to the White House to share a beer with the president. Mr. Obama then conveyed that idea in his phone call with Professor Gates.
—The Times

Obama phoned Crowley, who suggested the three men sit down for a beer at the White House. The president said he liked the idea, and Gates reportedly concurred when Obama phoned him next.

JFC some of you guys are downright...well I am trying to be nice here.

[Reaper16]

I suspect that this is your answer (http://most-popular.net/beer-america):
Not true anymore. Snow, an adjunct lager from China owned by SABMiller, is the world's best-selling beer. It only overtook Bud Light recently, though.

If a bar has LaBatt Blue, thats what I'm having.
Labatt Blue is no better than any other beer of its style. Why pay the small premium for import when PBR is the same thing, only markedly cheaper?

[patteeu]

Wasn't it Crowley suggestion to have a beer at the WH?

No, I don't think so. He may have been the guy who brought up the idea of someday having a beer together, but I don't think he suggested that they do it at the White House and I'm very confident he didn't suggest doing it on the porch where they could have the eyes of the entire nation on them.

Edit: I see that he did. Still, it wasn't his idea to do it as an exploitative photo opportunity. He probably had something a bit more sincere in mind.

[patteeu]

Not true anymore. Snow, an adjunct lager from China owned by SABMiller, is the world's best-selling beer. It only overtook Bud Light recently, though.

As much as Obama appears to be more interested in being a world citizen than an America-firster, in his political calculations he's still focused on local popularity. My link was intended to support the idea that Bud Light is America's most popular beer not the World's. I don't know if that's true anymore or not, but it's one of the most popular for sure.

Labatt Blue is no better than any other beer of its style. Why pay the small premium for import when PBR is the same thing, only markedly cheaper?

I disagree. It's a matter of taste, but I think Labatt Blue is better than PBR. It's up to the individual as to whether or not it's worth the extra dough.

[Reaper16]

As much as Obama appears to be more interested in being a world citizen than an America-firster, in his political calculations he's still focused on local popularity. My link was intended to support the idea that Bud Light is America's most popular beer not the World's. I don't know if that's true anymore or not, but it's one of the most popular for sure.



I disagree. It's a matter of taste, but I think Labatt Blue is better than PBR. It's up to the individual as to whether or not it's worth the extra dough.
Your quoted passage said world, that's all. Bud Light definitely is America's favorite beer, still.

You're absolutely correct in the distinction between two American Adjunct Lagers being a matter of taste. They both taste like corn and rice.

[patteeu]

Your quoted passage said world, that's all. Bud Light definitely is America's favorite beer, still.

OK, I didn't notice that. The title was "most popular beer in america" which is what I googled. I didn't even notice the switch in the text. :thumb:

[mlyonsd]

American beer has been weakened since the 40's when beer companies altered recipes to make them less robust because there were more women drinking beer at the time.

It's continued and now flavorlous beer is the norm.

If you think I'm wrong drink a non 'lite' version of Schlitz, PBR, Hamm's, or Grain Belt.

The pussification of America continues......

[BigChiefFan]

I commend the move. Obama has been on my crud list for a while, but I can't find fault in this, other than it's a bit cheesy.

[BucEyedPea]

Whats the over/under on how many BJ's Clinton received from women other than his wife while he was in office for 8 years ?

I bet he got one at least every other month from someone other than
his wife while he was the commander in chief.

According to Bill, Hillary's had more women than him.

[BucEyedPea]

How often does this President entertain on the white house lawn? I think the cop should have politely declined to be a pawn in the President's shameless PR stunt or alternatively he could have offered to host the get-together in his basement or at his local watering hole.

That would have been bad PR by the cop and I'm sure his seniors would agree.

[BucEyedPea]

I drink Michelobe Ultra. But I prefer Margaritas.

[RedNeckRaider]

That would have been bad PR by the cop and I'm sure his seniors would agree.

In other words he was forced to attend this crock of PR shit. When it could have been avoided if Obama would have waited to learn the facts before shooting his mouth off. It also could have been avoided had Obama admitted he spoke out of turn.

It is natural for someone to stick up for a friend but as the president I expect him to respond appropriately. This was all about Obama sitting with the white cop saying "see the white cop is cool with me"

If this cop really treated Gates wrong and was racist in any fashion or abused him at all he would be fired and gone. All of this because we have a president too arrogant to admit he made a mistake and made a silly statement.

[BucEyedPea]

In other words he was forced to attend this crock of PR shit. When it could have been avoided if Obama would have waited to learn the facts before shooting his mouth off. It also could have been avoided had Obama admitted he spoke out of turn.

It is natural for someone to stick up for a friend but as the president I expect him to respond appropriately. This was all about Obama sitting with the white cop saying "see the white cop is cool with me"

If this cop really treated Gates wrong and was racist in any fashion or abused him at all he would be fired and gone. All of this because we have a president too arrogant to admit he made a mistake and made a silly statement.
How you get "force" out of that is beyond me. It's not forced at all. Not unless he's threatened with jail or a fine. It's more that not having options in life that are perfect. We have to choose which will work best for us. I'm just saying in a PR world it would make their dept and the cop look bad if they declined. It's rather childish to do that imo. This is part of crises management. And, the president did apologize for his mistake. I don't know if that's arrogant but it's certainly a sign or maturity as he took responsibility for his mistake. I thought conservatives believed it that sort of thing. I think Obama had to apologize. When someone takes responsibility for something, you let it go you don't keep riding it. That says more about the other side.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

What the participants drank:

Obama - Bud Light
Gates - Red Stripe
Crowley - Blue Moon

All three poor beers, all three from foreign companies.

BOOOOOOOOO Harvard Professor.


HOOOOOOOORAY BEER!

[RedNeckRaider]

How you get "force" out of that is beyond me. It's not forced at all. Not unless he's threatened with jail or a fine. That's different than have options in life that are perfect.
I'm just saying in a PR world it would make their dept and the cop look bad. It's just part of crises management.
Well, the president did apologize. I don't know if that's arrogant but it's certainly a sign or maturity as he took responsibility for his mistake. I thought conservatives believed it that sort of thing. I think Obama had to apologize.

#1 He was told by higher ups he will show up and smile, I would bet my last dollar on that.
#2 When did he apologize? I heard a lot of dick dancing but missed this.
#3 I ain't no conservative.

[BucEyedPea]

I didn't say you were a conservative ...was just mentioning that for the conservatives in general. But I can see how it would've been taken that way.

[patteeu]

And, the president did apologize for his mistake. I don't know if that's arrogant but it's certainly a sign or maturity as he took responsibility for his mistake.

He did? What did he say?

[alanm]

What the participants drank:

Obama - Bud Light
Gates - Red Stripe
Crowley - Blue Moon

All three poor beers, all three from foreign companies.Is there any domestic beers other than micro brewery's that aren't foreign owned any more? Bud's gone. Miller's gone ect.
Falstaff anyone? If their even still around.
It's been over 12 years since I've had a beer so I'm kinda out of the loop. :spock:

[alanm]

I'm not saying this is a giant leap or anything towards race relations. That will take generations. I'm just hoping some kid who might not know what the whole thing is about sees it as some guys that sat down to discuss their differences.

The fact it was done as a political stunt is sad, but there can be an upside to the pictures of three guys and Biden sitting down to talk. I'd have been much happier if Biden weren't there.I would of enjoyed it more if Biden had got drunk and said something to piss Crowley off and Crowley jumped up and hit him upside the head with his beer bottle. Now THAT would of been news! :D

[Reaper16]

Is there any domestic beers other than micro brewery's that aren't foreign owned any more? Bud's gone. Miller's gone ect.
Falstaff anyone? If their even still around.
It's been over 12 years since I've had a beer so I'm kinda out of the loop. :spock:
Pabst is still American owned, though it uses contract breweries exclusively now so it doesn't really count. So, basically, no. The largest American-owned brewer would have to be Boston Beer Co. (Sam Adams)

[Mizzou_8541]

OMG, the drama queen president is actually going to have a beer outside so the world can see him healing wounds and bringing people together. Lite will be beering while Rome is burning.

Cheers!!! :BLVD:

Dumb.

Not your post...the president.

[RedNeckRaider]

He did? What did he say?

Yeah she threw that out there but has not answered after being asked twice. Maybe he did but I have not heard it. I heard a lot of dick dancing around the subject but have yet to hear him come out and apologize.

[Brock]

A contrived waste of time.

[RedNeckRaider]

A contrived waste of time.

Are you kidding I saw with my own eyes the white cop drinking beer with Obama. I will sleep better at night knowing race relations are settled now....the fight is over all hail the king!

[patteeu]

Yeah she threw that out there but has not answered after being asked twice. Maybe he did but I have not heard it. I heard a lot of dick dancing around the subject but have yet to hear him come out and apologize.

I saw and heard the same thing you did. I saw some backtracking, but no apology at all. It's possible that there was a private apology during his conversation with the officer, but if so, I haven't heard about it.

[BucEyedPea]

I saw and heard the same thing you did. I saw some backtracking, but no apology at all. It's possible that there was a private apology during his conversation with the officer, but if so, I haven't heard about it.

One does not have to use the words "sorry" or "apologize" to admit one made a mistake. You guys would never see it without it done in that form.You call it backtracking. It all comes down to pov on what constitutes this.

I didn't think I was being asked for a specific statement of "apology" either....since the original poster said he saw a lot of "dick dancing" which clearly shows you have to have it done only one way to show admission of an error. Actions speak louder than words anyway.

[patteeu]

One does not have to use the words "sorry" or "apologize" to admit one made a mistake. You guys would never see it without it done in that form.You call it backtracking. It all comes down to pov on what constitutes this.

I didn't think I was being asked for a specific statement of "apology" either....since the original poster said he saw a lot of "dick dancing" which clearly shows you have to have it done only one way to show admission of an error. Actions speak louder than words anyway.

The words are more important than you give them credit for being. The backtracking shows that he knows he screwed up, although it doesn't show that he knows he was wrong. The words wouldn't prove that he knew he was wrong either, but his resistance to offering a clear apology suggests that he isn't really contrite. The lack of a direct apology, assuming one wasn't offered in private, is a character issue.

It's not the specific word "sorry" or "apologize" that is the issue. It's offering a sincere statement of contrition that is important and he didn't do it. Instead, his backtracking amounted to a pretense that he was going to be above the conflict and mediate between the two men.

[BucEyedPea]

I'm not going to argue all day about this pat while you parse the entire matter a la Bill Clinton. This is just not that important with what else is going in in this country. You just want to grind your axe on it in hopes of the president losing ratings.

The president essentially admitted his error as far as I am and some others are concerned. Even if the Beer Summit was a PR event. The bottom line is getting the two contentious sides to sit down in person with communication is about the best way to end the conflict.

Steve Killion, president of the Cambridge patrol officers association said: "He [Obama] acknowledges he made a mistake,'' Killion said. "He wasn't there. None of us have the facts. He didn't have the facts. We don't have the facts. We don't know what professor Gates said, what Sergeant Crowley said."

[patteeu]

I'm not going to argue all day about this pat while you parse the entire matter a la Bill Clinton. This is just not that important with what else is going in in this country. You just want to grind your axe on it in hopes of the president losing ratings.

The president essentially admitted his error as far as I am and some others are concerned. Even if the Beer Summit was a PR event. The bottom line is getting the two contentious sides to sit down in person with communication is about the best way to end the conflict.

Steve Killion, president of the Cambridge patrol officers association said: "He [Obama] acknowledges he made a mistake,'' Killion said. "He wasn't there. None of us have the facts. He didn't have the facts. We don't have the facts. We don't know what professor Gates said, what Sergeant Crowley said."

I'm not asking you to argue all day, I'm just pointing out where you're wrong. You can be satisfied with the president's non-apology apology if you want, but I'm not. We can leave it at that as far as I'm concerned.

[BucEyedPea]

I'm not asking you to argue all day, I'm just pointing out where you're wrong. You can be satisfied with the president's non-apology apology if you want, but I'm not. We can leave it at that as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not wrong. That's your opinion. When he admits he err'd that is no different than an apology. I'd hate to ever wrong you mistakenly since it means some form of groveling or shame, blame and regret of oneself with one's tail between their legs.

And yes you are continuing the argument.

[RedNeckRaider]

I'm not wrong. That's your opinion. When he admits he err'd that is no different than an apology. I'd hate to ever wrong you mistakenly since it means some form of groveling or shame, blame and regret of oneself with one's tail between their legs.

And yes you are continuing the argument.
I would like to aplogize for my reaction to the situation. Mr Gates is a longtime friend of mine and is a good man. After looking into this situation it is clear Mr Crowley is a good man also. It is my intent to sit down with these men and discuss what happen and see if common ground can be found and use this opportunity to learn from each other.

Something along those lines would have gained him much respect, but he is too arrogant to admit his mistake and now is trying to take high ground in a situation he created with his silly uninformed response.

[patteeu]

I'm not wrong. That's your opinion. When he admits he err'd that is no different than an apology. I'd hate to ever wrong you mistakenly since it means some form of groveling or shame, blame and regret of oneself with one's tail between their legs.

And yes you are continuing the argument.

I thought you weren't going to argue all day? Did you change your mind? As I said, you can accept his non-apology apology if you want, but that's all it was. He didn't admit any personal wrongdoing as far as I'm aware and I'm not even sure he admitted he erred. What words are you recognizing as his apology?

[BucEyedPea]

No I'm done. Just responding to you bringing up more points about my position. But I see you're not.

[BucEyedPea]

I would like to aplogize for my reaction to the situation. Mr Gates is a longtime friend of mine and is a good man. After looking into this situation it is clear Mr Crowley is a good man also. It is my intent to sit down with these men and discuss what happen and see if common ground can be found and use this opportunity to learn from each other.

Something along those lines would have gained him much respect, but he is too arrogant to admit his mistake and now is trying to take high ground in a situation he created with his silly uninformed response.

Like I said. I think he did it in his own way. Perhaps I should have said he admitted he made a mistake.

[patteeu]

No I'm done. Just responding to you bringing up more points about my position. But I see you're not.

So you're not going to show me the words that you consider an apology? I'm not surprised. There was no apology.

[BucEyedPea]

I explained it. You're the one reading with absolute literalness.
And why are you still arguing about it, after I explained it.

[Calcountry]

A contrived waste of time.That's the change we need.

[patteeu]

I explained it. You're the one reading with absolute literalness.
And why are you still arguing about it, after I explained it.

You just can't stop, can you? I'm not the one who said I wasn't going to argue all day, you were.

What words are you relying on?