Florida Jury denies damages against hospital for deporting brain injured illegal

[banyon]

Jury Rules for Hospital That Deported Patient

In a benchmark case dealing with the obligations of hospitals toward uninsured illegal immigrants, a jury in Stuart, Fla., decided Monday that Martin Memorial Medical Center did not act unreasonably when it chartered a plane and repatriated a severely brain-injured Guatemalan patient against the will of his guardian.


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Luis Alberto Ramirez, rests in the Orthopedic General Hospital in Guatemala City on July 13 following his deportation from Florida to Guatemala.



David Friedman for The New York Times
Mr. Jiménez with relatives at Martin Memorial Medical Center in 2002.
Judge James W. Midelis instructed the jury in state court late last week that because of a Florida appeals court decision, it was already “a matter of law” that the patient, Luis Alberto Jiménez, had been unlawfully detained and deprived of his liberty.

Still, the jury found that Martin Memorial had not committed false imprisonment and was not liable for damages.

In a statement, the hospital, which provided Mr. Jiménez life-saving care and kept him as a ward for several years before undertaking his repatriation in 2003, applauded the jury’s decision.

At the same time, the hospital’s president and chief executive, Mark E. Robitaille, chastised “our political leadership” for failing to address the challenges facing hospitals that provide uncompensated health care to illegal immigrants.

“Unfortunately none of the proposed national health care reform bills currently being debated in Washington address the issue,” Mr. Robitaille said. “That means there are still cases like Luis Jiménez’s in hospitals across the country and there will continue to be cases like Luis Jiménez’s.”

The case of Mr. Jiménez, which was featured in an in-depth report in The New York Times last summer, is believed to be the first to test the legality of patient repatriations and to judge the liability of the hospitals that undertake them. Such repatriations are a relatively rare but widespread practice, especially in cases involving catastrophic injuries or serious illnesses, where patients need continuing care that is not covered by Medicaid because of their immigration status.

Mr. Jiménez’s case has been closely watched by health care providers and fiercely debated in the blogosphere. In cyberspace and in Stuart, a relatively sleepy town north of Palm Beach where supporters of the hospital packed the small gallery of the courtroom during the three-week trial, the case has elicited considerable anti-immigrant sentiment.

But the courtroom on Monday morning was quiet and empty of spectators when the verdict was unexpectedly announced. The sole observable reaction came from William B. King, one of Mr. Jiménez’s guardian’s lawyers, who repeatedly shook his head.

“I’m stunned,” Mr. King said.

The jurors, all of whom were white, with no Hispanics among them, declined to discuss the verdict; one said, “It was a very tough decision.”

Mr. Jiménez’s cousin and legal guardian, Montejo Gaspar, filed the lawsuit seeking nearly $1 million to cover the costs of providing care for Mr. Jiménez in Guatemala and seeking damages for what he essentially saw as the hospital’s kidnapping and deportation of his profoundly disabled cousin.

Reached by telephone on Monday, Mr. Gaspar, who works in golf course maintenance in South Florida, said he was saddened by the outcome.

“I don’t know why that jury didn’t recognize the injustice of what was done,” he said in Spanish. “And I don’t know what to do next for Luis. He really needs help.”

A Mayan Indian from the highlands of Guatemala, Mr. Jiménez paid a smuggler to transport him to the United States about a decade ago so he could work as a gardener and send money home to his wife and two sons. He had been living in Stuart with Mr. Gaspar for just under a year when a drunken driver in a stolen vehicle plowed into his car in the winter of 2000.

Now 37, Mr. Jiménez, who cannot walk and has the mental age of a child, lives in a one-room house in a remote village, tended by his elderly mother. He is largely confined to his bed and suffers from routine seizures. When The Times visited him last summer, he had not received medical care for over five years.

In Florida, Martin Memorial, a nonprofit hospital, spent $1.5 million to care for Mr. Jiménez. The costs especially mounted because of a conundrum faced by the hospital. As a condition of receiving Medicaid and Medicare money, the hospital was required to care for Mr. Jiménez until it could properly discharge him under federal law.

That meant discharging Mr. Jiménez into a skilled nursing home, but the hospital could not find one willing to accept an uninsured illegal immigrant. So it kept Mr. Jiménez as a boarder until, in 2003, a state judge gave the hospital permission to send him back to Guatemala.

As his cousin’s lawyer sought to delay the move, the hospital leased a plane for $30,000 and early one morning flew Mr. Jiménez to an orthopedic hospital in Guatemala City. Arriving to visit him at the hospital in Florida, Mr. Gaspar found his bed empty.

The next year, the state appeals court voided the judicial order that the hospital had relied on to justify the repatriation. It was too late for Mr. Jiménez, but Jack Hill, one of Mr. Gaspar’s lawyers, said the appeals court decision had set “a very good precedent that tells hospitals you can’t send foreign nationals back to their home countries against their will.”

It was not enough to convince the jury in Stuart, however.

In his instructions to the jury, Judge Midelis said the appeals court had already established three of the four elements that support a claim of false imprisonment: that Mr. Jimenez had been detained unlawfully, “without legal authority” and against the will of his guardian. But the jury, in just over a day of deliberations, concluded that the fourth element that the hospital’s actions were “unreasonable and unwarranted under the circumstances” had not been proved.

Rod Proctor contributed reporting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/us/28deport.html

[dirk digler]

Wow what an interesting case. I am all for making sure illegals don't get free health care but at the same time no hospital or anyone for that matter should deport illegals except for the government.

[banyon]

I thought this would be a bit more controversial. I guess vaguely directed anger at Obama has supplanted thoughtful discussion in this forum.

[banyon]

For my part, had i been on the jury, I think finding for the plaintiff would have invited fear and additional suits for care refusal. I would've sided the same way.

It is not clear from the article if ICE assisted in the deportation or there was a valid lawful order to deport though or if the hospital just self-deported him.

It's unfortunate that the Guatemalan health care system sucks, but if the jury had found the other way, I guess that would've been an invitation for any foreigner with a debilitating injury or illness to come here illegally and demand treatment.

[dirk digler]

I thought this would be a bit more controversial. I guess vaguely directed anger at Obama has supplanted thoughtful discussion in this forum.

You're surprised by that?

[Dallas Chief]

This is a terribly sad story and I feel for the family. Illegally here or not. I mean we are all human beings for crying out loud. It makes you wonder the status of true charity in our country these days. You know, the charity that knows no boundaries, no limit, giving freely without condition. I do beleive the hospital went above and beyond to care for this gentleman though. I wonder, as legal guardian, why the cousin didn't bring him into his own home and search out assistance from other charitable organizations if he was unable to provide care? I just think this whole thing could have been solved differently by ALL involved. As far as the legality of it all, I really have no idea.

Man what a bummer... Thanks counselor, you ruined my perfectly good Friday!!!

[whatsmynameagain]

This is a terribly sad story and I feel for the family. Illegally here or not. I mean we are all human beings for crying out loud. It makes you wonder the status of true charity in our country these days. You know, the charity that knows no boundaries, no limit, giving freely without condition. I do beleive the hospital went above and beyond to care for this gentleman though. I wonder, as legal guardian, why the cousin didn't bring him into his own home and search out assistance from other charitable organizations if he was unable to provide care? I just think this whole thing could have been solved differently by ALL involved. As far as the legality of it all, I really have no idea.

Man what a bummer... Thanks counselor, you ruined my perfectly good Friday!!!

charity? how about cash for clunkers!
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[jjjayb]

This is a terribly sad story and I feel for the family. Illegally here or not. I mean we are all human beings for crying out loud. It makes you wonder the status of true charity in our country these days. You know, the charity that knows no boundaries, no limit, giving freely without condition. I do beleive the hospital went above and beyond to care for this gentleman though. I wonder, as legal guardian, why the cousin didn't bring him into his own home and search out assistance from other charitable organizations if he was unable to provide care? I just think this whole thing could have been solved differently by ALL involved. As far as the legality of it all, I really have no idea.

Man what a bummer... Thanks counselor, you ruined my perfectly good Friday!!!

Give me the contents of your wallet and bank account. Share and share alike!

[wild1]

It's unfortunate that the Guatemalan health care system sucks, but if the jury had found the other way, I guess that would've been an invitation for any foreigner with a debilitating injury or illness to come here illegally and demand treatment.

Pretty much my take on it.

[Otter]

Let's see, we spent $1.5 MILLION fucking dollars out of a NON-PROFIT hospitals coffers to treat this guy then another $30,000 dollars to make sure he arrived home safely. All from a country that he broke into and spit on our immigration laws.

Cry me a fucking river. I would have put him on a raft from wal-mart with a compass and a can of spam.

[Donger]

That's cruel.

[Brock]

Well, bye.

[Otter]

Let's hear a little background on how he received his head injury. This was all I could find on a quick search:

The story is about an ILLEGAL immigrant named Luis Jimenez. It’s a story about how a horrific auto accident suffered at the hands of a drunk driverDoesn't say if he was in the car with the drunk driver, hit, or the drunk driver. I'd like to know the details behind this accident.

[wild1]

I wonder what sort of treatment the socialist health care system would give one such as this, who was a hopeless case?

[frazod]

I'll Take Shit I Don't Care About for $1,000, Alex.

[Dallas Chief]

Just my Christian upbringing, what can I say...
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[Dallas Chief]

Give me the contents of your wallet and bank account. Share and share alike!
Charity is not the same thing as collectivism. But if my $31 will make that much of a difference for you then please tell me where to send it.
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[wild1]

This is a terribly sad story and I feel for the family. Illegally here or not. I mean we are all human beings for crying out loud. It makes you wonder the status of true charity in our country these days. You know, the charity that knows no boundaries, no limit, giving freely without condition. I do beleive the hospital went above and beyond to care for this gentleman though. I wonder, as legal guardian, why the cousin didn't bring him into his own home and search out assistance from other charitable organizations if he was unable to provide care? I just think this whole thing could have been solved differently by ALL involved. As far as the legality of it all, I really have no idea.

Man what a bummer... Thanks counselor, you ruined my perfectly good Friday!!!

When the "giving" party ceases to have choice in the matter, it is no longer charity.

[Hydrae]

Let's hear a little background on how he received his head injury. This was all I could find on a quick search:

Doesn't say if he was in the car with the drunk driver, hit, or the drunk driver. I'd like to know the details behind this accident.

From the original article:

He had been living in Stuart with Mr. Gaspar for just under a year when a drunken driver in a stolen vehicle plowed into his car in the winter of 2000.

[Dallas Chief]

When the "giving" party ceases to have choice in the matter, it is no longer charity.

I agree with you 100%.

[KC native]

Let's hear a little background on how he received his head injury. This was all I could find on a quick search:

Doesn't say if he was in the car with the drunk driver, hit, or the drunk driver. I'd like to know the details behind this accident.

Search for the original article. IIRC he was hit by a drunk driver.

[KC native]

Found it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/us/03deport.html?fta=y

August 3, 2008
Immigrants Facing Deportation by U.S. Hospitals
By DEBORAH SONTAG

JOLOMCÚ, Guatemala — High in the hills of Guatemala, shut inside the one-room house where he spends day and night on a twin bed beneath a seriously outdated calendar, Luis Alberto Jiménez has no idea of the legal battle that swirls around him in the lowlands of Florida.

Shooing away flies and beaming at the tiny, toothless elderly mother who is his sole caregiver, Mr. Jiménez, a knit cap pulled tightly on his head, remains cheerily oblivious that he has come to represent the collision of two deeply flawed American systems, immigration and health care.

Eight years ago, Mr. Jiménez, 35, an illegal immigrant working as a gardener in Stuart, Fla., suffered devastating injuries in a car crash with a drunken Floridian. A community hospital saved his life, twice, and, after failing to find a rehabilitation center willing to accept an uninsured patient, kept him as a ward for years at a cost of $1.5 million.

What happened next set the stage for a continuing legal battle with nationwide repercussions: Mr. Jiménez was deported — not by the federal government but by the hospital, Martin Memorial. After winning a state court order that would later be declared invalid, Martin Memorial leased an air ambulance for $30,000 and “forcibly returned him to his home country,” as one hospital administrator described it.

Since being hoisted in his wheelchair up a steep slope to his remote home, Mr. Jiménez, who sustained a severe traumatic brain injury, has received no medical care or medication — just Alka-Seltzer and prayer, his 72-year-old mother said. Over the last year, his condition has deteriorated with routine violent seizures, each characterized by a fall, protracted convulsions, a loud gurgling, the vomiting of blood and, finally, a collapse into unconsciousness.

“Every time, he loses a little more of himself,” his mother, Petrona Gervacio Gaspar, said in Kanjobal, the Indian dialect that she speaks with an otherworldly squeak.

Mr. Jiménez’s benchmark case exposes a little-known but apparently widespread practice. Many American hospitals are taking it upon themselves to repatriate seriously injured or ill immigrants because they cannot find nursing homes willing to accept them without insurance. Medicaid does not cover long-term care for illegal immigrants, or for newly arrived legal immigrants, creating a quandary for hospitals, which are obligated by federal regulation to arrange post-hospital care for patients who need it.

American immigration authorities play no role in these private repatriations, carried out by ambulance, air ambulance and commercial plane. Most hospitals say that they do not conduct cross-border transfers until patients are medically stable and that they arrange to deliver them into a physician’s care in their homeland. But the hospitals are operating in a void, without governmental assistance or oversight, leaving ample room for legal and ethical transgressions on both sides of the border.

Indeed, some advocates for immigrants see these repatriations as a kind of international patient dumping, with ambulances taking patients in the wrong direction, away from first-world hospitals to less-adequate care, if any.

“Repatriation is pretty much a death sentence in some of these cases,” said Dr. Steven Larson, an expert on migrant health and an emergency room physician at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. “I’ve seen patients bundled onto the plane and out of the country, and once that person is out of sight, he’s out of mind.”

Hospital administrators view these cases as costly, burdensome patient transfers that force them to shoulder responsibility for the dysfunctional immigration and health-care systems. In many cases, they say, the only alternative to repatriations is keeping patients indefinitely in acute-care hospitals.

“What that does for us, it puts a strain on our system, where we’re unable to provide adequate care for our own citizens,” said Alan B. Kelly, vice president of Scottsdale Healthcare in Arizona. “A full bed is a full bed.”

Medical repatriations are happening with varying frequency, and varying degrees of patient consent, from state to state and hospital to hospital. No government agency or advocacy group keeps track of these cases, and it is difficult to quantify them.

A few hospitals and consulates offered statistics that provide snapshots of the phenomenon: some 96 immigrants a year repatriated by St. Joseph’s Hospital in Phoenix; 6 to 8 patients a year flown to their homelands from Broward General Medical Center in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.; 10 returned to Honduras from Chicago hospitals since early 2007; some 87 medical cases involving Mexican immigrants — and 265 involving people injured crossing the border — handled by the Mexican consulate in San Diego last year, most but not all of which ended in repatriation.

Over all, there is enough traffic to sustain at least one repatriation company, founded six years ago to service this niche — MexCare, based in California but operating nationwide with a “network of 28 hospitals and treatment centers” in Latin America. It bills itself as “an alternative choice for the care of the unfunded Latin American nationals,” promising “significant saving to U.S. hospitals” seeking “to alleviate the financial burden of unpaid services.”

Many hospitals engage in repatriations of seriously injured and ill immigrants only as a last resort. “We’ve done flights to Lithuania, Poland, Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico,” said Cara Pacione, director of social work at Mount Sinai Hospital in Chicago. “But out of about a dozen cases a year, we probably fly only a couple back.”

Other hospitals are more aggressive, routinely sending uninsured immigrants, both legal and illegal, back to their homelands. One Tucson hospital even tried to fly an American citizen, a sick baby whose parents were illegal immigrants, to Mexico last year; the police, summoned by a lawyer to the airport, blocked the flight. “It was horrendous,” the mother said.

Sister Margaret McBride, vice president for mission services at St. Joseph’s in Phoenix, which is part of Catholic Healthcare West, said families were rarely happy about the hospital’s decision to repatriate their relatives. But, she added, “We don’t require consent from the family.”

In a case this spring that outraged Phoenix’s Hispanic community, St. Joseph’s planned to send a comatose, uninsured legal immigrant back to Honduras, until community leaders got lawyers involved. While they were negotiating with the hospital, the patient, Sonia del Cid Iscoa, 34, who has been in the United States for half her life and has seven American-born children, came out of her coma. She is now back in her Phoenix home.

“I can think of three different scenarios that would have led to a fatal outcome if they had moved her,” John M. Curtin, her lawyer, said. “The good outcome today is due to the treatment that the hospital provided — reluctantly, and, sadly enough, only in response to legal and public pressure.”

[KC native]

Unlike Ms. Iscoa and Mr. Jiménez, most uninsured immigrant patients in repatriation cases do not have advocates fighting for them, and they are quietly returned to their home countries. Sometimes, their families accept that fate because they are told they have no options; sometimes they are grateful to the hospital for paying their fare home, given that other hospitals leave it to relatives or consulates to assume responsibility for the patients.

Mr. Jiménez’s case is apparently the first to test the legality of cross-border patient transfers that are undertaken without the consent of the patients or their guardians — and the liability of the hospitals who undertake them.

“We’re the rhesus monkey on this issue,” said Scott Samples, a spokesman for Martin Memorial.

A Life-Changing Accident

Mr. Jiménez’s journey north was propelled by the usual migrant’s dreams. When he pledged thousands of dollars to pay the smuggler who delivered him to the United States, he envisioned years of labor on the lawns of affluent America and then a payoff: the means to buy land of his own, to cultivate his own garden, back in Guatemala.

But fate — in the person of Donald Flewellen, a pipe welder with a drug problem and a long criminal record — intervened. At lunchtime on Feb. 28, 2000, Mr. Flewellen was loitering in the parking lot of a Publix supermarket in Palm Beach Gardens, Fla., when the employees of an irrigation company ran inside, leaving the keys in their van. Seizing the moment, Mr. Flewellen, a thorn in the side of local prosecutors with at least 14 arrests, jumped into the van and drove off.

In the next few hours, Mr. Flewellen consumed enough alcohol to produce a blood-alcohol level four times higher than the legal limit. But drive he did, along the back roads that connect the affluent Treasure Coast to the agricultural interior where Guatemalan Mayan immigrants have settled in a place, coincidentally, called Indiantown.

About 4 p.m., Mr. Flewellen was heading east on a rural road just as Mr. Jiménez and three compatriots were returning home from a day of landscaping. His stolen van and their 1988 Chevrolet Beretta crashed head-on, instantly killing two of the Guatemalans and severely injuring the driver and Mr. Jiménez, a back-seat passenger.

Identified first as John Doe, Mr. Jiménez arrived by ambulance at Martin Memorial, a not-for-profit hospital on the banks of the St. Lucie River in Stuart. He was unconscious and in shock from extensive bleeding, with two broken thigh bones, a broken arm, multiple internal injuries, a terribly lacerated face and a severe head injury. A doctor noted his prognosis as “poor.”

But Mr. Jiménez, after intensive surgical and medical intervention, survived. “He was no longer Luis; he was another person,” Montejo Gaspar Montejo, his cousin by marriage, said, describing a previously husky and industrious laborer who was also a soccer enthusiast. “He didn’t talk. He didn’t understand anything. He stayed curled up in a ball. But he was alive.”

During that time, Martin Memorial asked Michael R. Banks, a local lawyer who specializes in estate planning, to set up a guardianship for Mr. Jiménez. “I said, ‘Sure, what can come of such a case?’ ” Mr. Banks said. “Then it took on a life of its own. They probably regret they ever called me.”

Mr. Jiménez, whose common-law wife and two children remained in Guatemala, had been living for just under a year with Mr. Gaspar’s family. Mr. Gaspar, who works in golf-course maintenance, agreed to serve as guardian.

At first, things were amicable. In the summer of 2000, Mr. Jiménez was transferred to a nursing home in Stuart, which may have accepted him because an insurance payout was possible.

Mr. Flewellen, who eventually pleaded guilty to D.U.I. manslaughter, D.U.I. injury and grand theft auto, was not insured. But the Guatemalan families sought to hold the irrigation company liable since its employees left the keys in the car. Their lawsuit ultimately failed.

In the nursing home, Mr. Jiménez began wasting away. His relatives grew anxious. Then, Robert L. Lord Jr., Martin Memorial’s vice president of legal services, said, “Mr. Jiménez was put back on our doorstep.”

He arrived by ambulance, this time emaciated and suffering from ulcerous bed sores so deep that the tendons behind his knees were exposed. With infection raging, “the question to be answered is if the patient’s condition is terminal,” a doctor wrote in his file.

Again, Martin Memorial’s doctors provided life-saving care. Hospitals are mandated to treat and stabilize anyone suffering from an emergency medical condition, and the federal government does provide emergency Medicaid coverage for illegal and new immigrants.

But hospitals say that emergency Medicaid covers only a small fraction of those expenses: $80,000 in Mr. Jiménez’s case, according to court papers.

Mr. Jiménez remained in a vegetative state, coiled in a fetal position, for “one year, two months and 15 days,” Mr. Gaspar said with precision.

Stunning his relatives and medical officials, though, Mr. Jiménez gradually woke up and started interacting with the world. “One day,” Mr. Gaspar said in Spanish, “we arrived for a visit, and he said to me, ‘You are Montejo.’ ”

Not long afterward, the battle began between Martin Memorial and Mr. Gaspar, a reserved man whose Indiantown living room is decorated with a “We Love America” clock, a beach towel from the ancient city of Tikal and a hammered metal image of the Virgin Mary.

A Hospital’s Dilemma

The average stay at Martin Memorial, a relatively tranquil hospital which features a palm frond design in its gleaming lobby floor and white-coiffed volunteers in its gift shop, is 4.1 days and costs $8,188. Patients rarely linger.

Those like Mr. Jiménez who outstay their welcome are an oddity but not an anomaly. Mr. Jiménez had a roommate from Jamaica, a diabetic who lost both legs. Martin Memorial eventually flew him back to his native country, too.

In addition to trauma patients, there are uninsured immigrants with serious health problems. “In our emergency room, we don’t turn anyone away,” said Carol Plato Nicosia, the director of corporate business services. “The real problem is if we find an underlying problem, and now we have six of them — six patients who showed up in renal failure and that we are now seeing three times a week for dialysis.”

One of the six, she said, voluntarily returned to Guatemala after receiving a poor prognosis. But she showed up at Martin Memorial again after her relatives insisted that she undertake the trek over the borders a second time because she could not get treatment in Guatemala, Ms. Plato Nicosia said.

“I don’t want to sound heartless,” Ms. Plato Nicosia said. “A community hospital is going to give care. But is it the right thing? We have a lot of American citizens who need our help. We only make about 3 percent over our bottom line if we’re lucky. We need to make capital improvements and do things for our community.”

Martin Memorial reported a total margin of 3.6 percent over its bottom line last year and 6 percent in 2006. According to the most recent statewide data, the nonprofit medical center also reported assets of $270.6 million in 2006, with its senior executives earning more than $4 million in salaries and benefits.

Tax-exempt hospitals are expected to dedicate an unspecified part of their services to charity cases, and Martin Memorial devoted $23.9 million in 2006, about 3 percent, which was average for Florida, according to state data.

Mr. Jiménez was a very expensive charity case. In cases like his, where patients need long-term care, hospitals are not allowed to discharge them to the streets. Federal regulations require them — if they receive Medicare payments, and most hospitals do — to transfer or refer patients to “appropriate” post-hospital care.

But in most states, the government does not finance post-hospital care for illegal immigrants, for temporary legal immigrants or for legal residents with less than five years in the United States. (California and New York City are notable exceptions; Medi-Cal, the state’s Medicaid program, spends $20 million a year on long-term care for illegal immigrants, as does the Health and Hospitals Corporation of New York City.)

Martin Memorial’s lawyer, Mr. Lord, said hospitals should not be forced to assume financial and legal responsibility for these cases. “It should be a governmental burden,” he said, “or the government should step in and otherwise exercise its authority for deportation or whatever it wants to do.”

In Mr. Jiménez’s case, the hospital’s doctors determined that appropriate post-hospital care meant traumatic brain injury rehabilitation. Much to the surprise of the hospital staff, Mr. Jiménez had regained cognitive function to about the level of a fourth-grade child.

Hospital discharge planners searched to no avail for a rehabilitation program or nursing home. “Unable to take patient” was the response to many queries, as noted in Mr. Jiménez’s files, which also state: “At this time, patient remains a disposition problem.”

Representing Mr. Jiménez’s guardian, Mr. Banks took the position that the hospital had a responsibility to provide Mr. Jiménez with the rehabilitation he needed — even if it meant paying a rehabilitation center to provide it. That, he noted, could have benefited both the hospital and the patient.

“It would have been more cost-effective for them,” Mr. Banks said, given that daily patient costs in long-term care are far lower than in acute-care hospitals. “And if the rehab worked, then Luis might have become a functional person and nobody’s charge.”

But the hospital declined, as Mr. Lord put it, “to take out our checkbook” and subsidize his care at another institution.

“Once you take that step, for how long are you going to do that — a year, 10 years, 50 years?” Mr. Lord, the lawyer, asked.

At that point, the hospital intensified its efforts to involve the Guatemalan government in the case. In a memorandum obtained by The New York Times, a consular official wrote that the hospital “informed us of how expensive it was becoming to care for Luis given that there was no insurance and that he is illegal and that the state won’t assume responsibility for his charges.”

Eventually, the Guatemalan health minister wrote a letter assuring Martin Memorial that his country was prepared to care for Mr. Jiménez. Gabriel Orellana, who was foreign minister at the time but did not have direct knowledge of the case, said the Guatemalan government was disposed to assist an American institution. “If a hospital in Florida asks if we can take care of a Guatemalan patient, the tendency is to say yes,” Mr. Orellana said.

Mr. Gaspar was dubious, believing the public health care system in his homeland to be grossly inadequate.

So the guardian and the hospital reached an impasse, and Martin Memorial finally took the matter to court, asking a state judge to compel Mr. Gaspar to cooperate with its repatriation plan. In June 2003, a hearing was held before Circuit Judge John E. Fennelly.

[KC native]

The Journey Home

In the courthouse in Stuart, a low-key, upscale town that boasts world-class fishing, George F. Bovie III, a lawyer for Martin Memorial, addressed the judge: “This case is not simply a case, as some would try and paint it, of money. This is a case about care for a man in this country illegally who has reached maximum medical improvement at our hospital and is ready to be discharged and whose home government” is prepared to receive and treat him.

Mr. Banks responded: “Your honor, this is a case about a hospital that has failed to do its job properly,” adding that the hospital sought to “have this court legitimize its patient dumping.”

By the time of the hearing, Mr. Jiménez was essentially a boarder at the hospital, wheeling around the hallways and hanging out at the nursing stations. Diana Gregory, a nurse who supervises case management and discharge planning, said in a recent interview that Mr. Jiménez — “I will affectionately call him Louie” — became “like family” to hospital staff members, who bought him birthday cakes, knitted him blankets and gave him toys.

According to hospital records, however, it was not all pastries and presents. Mr. Jiménez grew depressed as he gradually became more cognizant of his situation. He showed signs of regression, too. Emotional and behavioral volatility often follow serious head injuries, and Ms. Gregory said that Mr. Jiménez had developed some disturbing habits, including spitting, yelling out, kicking and defecating on the floor.

In court, his doctor, Walter Gil, testified that Mr. Jiménez would benefit from returning to the intimacy of his family. In his case file, the doctor had noted that Mr. Jiménez had told him, “Estoy triste,” meaning, “I’m sad.”

Dr. Gil said he asked Mr. Jiménez, “Why are you sad when you have basically everything that could be offered to you?” And, he said, Mr. Jiménez replied, “I miss my family and my wife.”

Mr. Banks’s witnesses challenged what they described as Guatemala’s vague offer to care for Mr. Jiménez.

Dr. Miguel Garcés, a prominent Guatemalan physician and public health advocate, said in a deposition that serious rehabilitation “is almost nonexistent” in Guatemala outside private facilities. He predicted that Mr. Jiménez would be taken in and then released from the country’s one public rehabilitation hospital within a matter of weeks.

“I don’t want him to go home and die,” Dr. Garcés said.

“Nobody wants him to go home and die,” the hospital’s lawyer responded.

A few weeks later, Judge Fennelly ruled. “This Court,” he wrote, “sails on uncharted seas.” He acknowledged that his decision might provoke dissent but opined, “As Aquinas once stated, ‘The good is not the enemy of the perfect,’ ” inverting and misattributing Voltaire’s famous quote, “The perfect is the enemy of the good.”

And then he granted the hospital’s petition, ordering that Mr. Gaspar stop “frustrating” the hospital’s plan to “relocate the ward” back to Guatemala.

Mr. Banks was stunned. He filed a notice of appeal and asked for a stay of the court’s order while the appeal was pending. The judge asked the hospital to file a response by 10 a.m. on July 10 before he ruled on the stay.

Four and a half hours before that response was due, shortly before daybreak on July 10, 2003, an ambulance picked up Mr. Jiménez at the hospital and drove him to the St. Lucie County airport, where an air ambulance waited to transport him back to Guatemala. Mr. Gaspar was not apprised.

“We went to see him at the hospital, and his bed was empty,” he said.

The hospital’s lawyer declined to comment on why the hospital did not wait for the judge to rule on the stay.

Diana Gregory, the nurse, traveled to Guatemala with Mr. Jiménez, bringing a wheelchair, a week’s worth of medications, “lunch/snacks/juices/treats,” and an emergency passport signed with a fingerprint, according to discharge records. Mr. Jiménez wore a Florida Marlins cap and carried a toy cellphone.

During the flight, the records said, Mr. Jiménez dozed, paged through picture books, pushed the window shade up and down and pointed outside, saying, “Look, look!” When he arrived in Guatemala, an ambulance took him to the National Hospital for Orthopedics and Rehabilitation, which occupies the converted stables of an old villa in the historic center of the capital city.

Ms. Gregory accompanied him there, turned over his records and toured the hospital. In a recent interview, Ms. Gregory said she was impressed by the place and especially by the staff’s pride in it, despite equipment that looked “like it could have been donated to the Smithsonian.” She added, “That facility could have taken care of me any day.”

While Ms. Gregory was taking her tour, Mr. Jiménez was holding court, according to her notes in his file, “telling everyone that he was from Miami, Florida, and showing them his toy cat.” At her request, a physician told Mr. Jiménez in Spanish “that he would be staying with his new friends in Guatemala and that I was leaving.” His response, according to her notes: “O.K., O.K., adiós.”

Glad that she had helped reunite Mr. Jiménez with his homeland, she said, “I left Guatemala quiet in my heart.”

Care in Guatemala

Immaculately clean but dilapidated, Guatemala’s National Hospital for Orthopedics and Rehabilitation operates on a shoestring budget of approximately $400,000 a year, according to Dr. Harold Von Ahn, who was director when Mr. Jiménez arrived.

Half the hospital is devoted to orthopedic care and the other half serves as an “asylum” for profoundly disabled Guatemalans. Although it is the only public rehabilitation hospital in the country, it dedicates just 32 beds to rehabilitation and does not offer the specialized brain injury treatment that Mr. Jiménez needed.

The Guatemalan foreign ministry said that it knew of 53 repatriations by American hospitals in the last five years. During a visit by The Times to the National Hospital in June, the most recent arrival was an 18-year-old, Diana Paola Miguel, transported there by the University Medical Center in Tucson nine days after a van accident crushed her pelvis, which the Arizona hospital repaired. Supine on a gurney, she Ms. Paola was too tremblingly upset to talk.

Dr. Von Ahn said he believed that American hospitals were dumping patients that should be their responsibility. “It’s the same as the classic fall on the stairs, right?” he said. “You go to my home, you fall on my stairs and then you sue me. I am responsible.”

Shortly after Mr. Jiménez arrived, the Guatemalan hospital contacted his common-law wife, Fabiana Domingo Laureano, who lived in the city of Antigua with their two young sons, and asked her to come get him. Ms. Domingo, who was 27 at the time, was shocked to learn that her husband was back and terrified by the request. Then as now, she was eking out a living, selling traditional woven clothing in a marketplace while sharing a spare, concrete room with her sons in her parents’ humble home.

“I was already living from hand to mouth,” she said in an interview in Antigua, where her sons now supplement her income by selling cigarettes after school. “How could I possibly have given him what he needs?”

The couple met as teenagers in the highland village of Soloma. In the mid-1990s, Mr. Jiménez migrated with his wife’s family to Antigua, a volcano-ringed colonial city where tourism sustains the local economy. While she sold clothing, Mr. Jiménez worked as a bus driver’s assistant. Together, they earned about $6 a day, which was not enough to support their family, so Mr. Jiménez, with his wife’s brother, Francisco Gaspar, decided to follow a well-traveled path to the north. That is when he changed his name from Gervacio Gaspar to Luis Jiménez, which is how he is now known, even by his family.

After pledging to pay a coyote, or smuggler, about $2,000 each to ferry them into the United States, they crossed into California under cover of darkness and made their way to Encinitas, where Mr. Jiménez’s older brother lived, Mr. Gaspar said.

After the two men failed to find regular work, Mr. Gaspar began suffering panic attacks and returned to Guatemala; Mr. Jiménez decided to try his luck in Florida.

“Lamentably,” Mr. Gaspar said, “luck eluded him.”

After the hospital contacted Ms. Domingo, Telemundo, the Spanish-language network, called Ms. Domingo and offered to take her to Guatemala City. Shortly thereafter, the network showed her reunion with her husband.

“You are Maria by chance?” Mr. Jiménez said to his wife as the television cameras rolled.

“Fabiana,” she replied. Their two sons stood by her side, wide-eyed.

A few weeks later, Dr. Von Ahn said, the hospital discharged Mr. Jiménez “because we needed the bed,” transferring him to another public hospital, San Juan de Dios. That is where Mr. Jiménez’s brother, Enrique Lucas Gervacio, found him when he made his way down from the mountains by bus.

“He was lying in the hallway on a stretcher, covered in his own excrement,” Mr. Lucas said. “So we cleaned him up and we brought him home.”

In Favor of Jiménez

In May, 2004, a Florida appeals court overruled Judge Fennelly.

The Fourth District Court of Appeal found that the Florida state judge had overstepped his bounds because deportation is the prerogative of the federal government. The court also declared that no evidence supported the hospital’s assertion that Mr. Jiménez would receive appropriate care in Guatemala; the discharge plan, the ruling said, was not detailed enough to satisfy federal requirements or the hospital’s own rules.

The appeals court voided the judge’s order although, given that Mr. Jiménez was already back in Guatemala, that action came too late for him.

It might affect others, though. The decision has become what is known legally as a case of first impression on the issue of hospital repatriations.

John DeLeon, a lawyer who advises the consulates of Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala in Miami, said he now referred to it when he received calls from hospitals looking to discharge seriously injured or ill immigrants.

“I now write I call my Montejo Gaspar letter,” he said. “It’s a letter that says, ‘Listen, don’t take action to dump this individual because you’ll be risking legal action. The law is now that hospitals can’t dump immigrant patients without securing appropriate after-care. If somebody has a serious illness and needs continuing care, a hospital can’t simply discharge them onto the street, much less put them on a plane.’ ”

Mr. DeLeon said that he was “bombarded by such cases,” adding that he was investigating another medical repatriation by Martin Memorial, which took place two weeks ago “behind the back of the Mexican government.”

Martin Memorial confirmed that on July 16 they flew Neptali Díaz, a severely brain-injured patient to Mexico. A court order authorized Mr. Diaz’s transfer to an unspecified Mexican hospital, ending the man’s 859-day, $2 million stay at Martin Memorial.

After the ruling in Mr. Jiménez’s favor, Martin Memorial did not appeal. But the case did not go away. The appeals court ruling set the stage for a personal injury lawsuit, taken on by Searcy, Denney, Scarola, Barnhart & Shipley in West Palm Beach.

With that established firm behind him, Mr. Gaspar initiated a false imprisonment action claiming that his cousin was essentially kidnapped by the hospital and smuggled out of the country in a kind of medical rendition. Since then, appeals judges have again ruled in Mr. Jiménez’s favor, stating the hospital can be sued for punitive damages as well as for the cost of his medical care.

This infuriates Ms. Plato Nicosia, the hospital administrator, who said it was Mr. Jiménez’s family who owes the hospital money and not vice versa. “Should they win, we would like them to take those damages and pay his hospital bill,” she said.

Jack Scarola, representing Mr. Jiménez’s guardian, said that he empathized with the hospital’s “significant economic burden” but said that it was the “quid pro quo” of accepting Medicare and Medicaid funds to help finance the hospital’s services. (About 45 percent of Martin Memorial’s net operating revenues came from Medicare and Medicaid last year, based on state data.)

“Also,” he continued, “they chose the wrong way to deal with it. The right way would have been through the Legislature. There is no program in place to appropriately distribute care to undocumented persons who are catastrophically injured, and there should be. But you don’t stick a brain-injured immigrant on a private plane and spirit him out of the country in the predawn hours.”

Weighing Quality of Life

The journey to Jolomcú is an arduous one, as Mr. Jiménez’s new legal team discovered when several members — a lawyer, a paralegal, a priest and a bioethicist — first traveled there to meet him.

After a five-hour drive north from Guatemala City to Huehuetenango and then a winding trip, filled with hairpin turns on cliff-hugging roads up and over the Cuchumatán Mountains, they arrived at the provincial city of Soloma.

From there, the road to Mr. Jiménez’s hamlet only goes so far, and the trip must be completed on foot, up and down a rutted dirt path through goat-strewn meadows. The Americans arrived at the top panting. There, awaiting them, in an idyllically situated one-room brick house, was Mr. Jiménez, a broad grin lighting up his face.

“The first striking thing was his disposition: He was very, very happy,” said the Rev. Frank O’Loughlin, who pastored migrant workers in South Florida for decades. “Then, the second thing, he was well cared for. What I did was I got down over him and hugged him but also smelled. And there were no bedsores. Nothing was malodorous.”

As they drove back to Huehuetenango, Marnie R. Poncy, a nurse-lawyer who runs a bioethics law project in Palm Beach County, offered her view: “I said, ‘His quality of life is better than it would be in an American nursing home.’ ”

“But I hazarded a guess that his longevity of existence was probably severely curtailed,” she said.

Still, the team reached a conclusion that surprised them: “There was no real compelling reason to think of bringing him back to Florida,” Father O’Loughlin said. “We needed to focus on getting help to him or him to help in Guatemala.”

Help has been slow in arriving.

When The Times took the trek to visit him in late June, Mr. Jiménez had not budged from his hilltop home since returning there and no medical professional had visited him, either. With his mother too frail to move him into his wheelchair, his life had shrunken to the confines of his bed, across from his mother’s.

During the visit, Mr. Jiménez, wearing a nubby Adidas hat and a ski jacket, sat wrapped in a Guatemalan blanket; his mother, who wore a traditional woven skirt, with a floral scarf braided through her long gray hair, stood by his side. She patted his head; he reached out to pick lint from her sweater.

A few days prior, he had suffered a particularly violent seizure.

“He was almost dead,” his mother, Mrs. Gervacio, said in Kanjobal, which was translated into Spanish by a school principal serving as interpreter. “For many years, I am caring for him like he is a baby, changing his diaper, washing him. But this is worse. I am worried to leave him alone at all.”

She is right to worry, said physicians consulted for this article. Patients suffering seizure disorders run the risk of injuring themselves — and of increasing their brain damage.

Still, Mrs. Gervacio does leave from time to time, she said, to go to Mass, shutting the door behind her and hoping for the best.

“It scares me a lot when you leave, Mama!” Mr. Jiménez blurted out, revealing that he was intently following the conversation that at first took place as if he were not there.

Given that Mr. Jiménez’s mother’s health is failing, the family worries about the future, too. And Mr. Jiménez shares their concern. “The day my mother is no longer, what’s going to happen to me?” he said. “This is what I have on my mind.”

Mr. Jiménez, whose memory is patchy, said he remembered nothing about his time in the United States — not Indiantown, not his job as a gardener, not the accident and not the hospital.

He does, remember the dreams that propelled his migration, and he expressed them eloquently: “I headed north like a peasant with a heavy bundle on his back, bent over, determined to better himself,” he said. “Other people had things so I thought, ‘Why not me?’ But now I regret it. Maybe God was punishing me for my illusions.”

“No, Luis,” the interpreter interjected, “it was just chance, an accident, a car accident.”

In Guatemala City, Dr. Garcés, the public health advocate, said that he was not surprised that, as he had predicted, Mr. Jiménez never received further medical care. “That’s the usual story of patients that are released from the National Orthopedic Hospital,” he said.

Dr. Garcés called Mr. Jiménez’s repatriation “inhumane.”

“In cases like that, if you cut the medical care, you’re hurting that person,” Dr. Garcés said. “You’re doing just the opposite of what the medical system should do. That goes against every international convention of human rights and health. To send him to Guatemala was to send him to very poor living and health conditions and probably he will die because of that, and that’s not fair.”

Without evaluation, doctors cannot know what potential for rehabilitation — or survival — Mr. Jiménez possesses.

If Mr. Jiménez’s guardian were to prevail in the lawsuit, “it would be possible to set up a good health care arrangement for him because in private practice we have all types of specialties that he needs,” Dr. Garcés said. “And transportation could be arranged.” But the case could drag on for years.

On the day of The Times’s visit, before Mr. Jiménez ate a lunch of eggs, tortillas and sugar water, Mr. Banks, the lawyer, gave him a present from his cousins in Florida — a plastic bag bulging with tube socks, undershirts and oversize sweatpants. Mr. Jiménez fingered the clothing with little interest but when a reporter began to read him the accompanying letter in Spanish, he snatched it excitedly from her hands.

Much to the surprise of his visitors, Mr. Jiménez, despite his brain injury, could read. He smoothed out the yellow legal paper from Mr. Gaspar and began: “I am sending you some little things. Luis, I hope that you like them.”

At first, Mr. Jiménez read haltingly, then more fluidly. Later, when all his visitors had gone outside, he read the ending aloud again to himself.

“I want to tell you,” he read, “that we miss you and love you a lot. May God continue to bless you.”

Mr. Jiménez smiled, and repeated, softly, “May God continue to bless you.”

Pilar Conci contributed reporting.

[KC Dan]

WTH is going to read that novel.....WTH cares?

[KC native]

WTH is going to read that novel.....WTH cares?

It's not a novel. lazy bastard, it would probably take you 10 minutes.

[mikey23545]

Don't let that door hit you in the brain, Luis...

[wild1]

That article (edit) is 11 pages long if printed in 10 point font.

[Otter]

After pledging to pay a coyote, or smuggler, about $2,000 each to ferry them into the United States, they crossed into California under cover of darkness and made their way to Encinitas, where Mr. Jiménez’s older brother lived, Mr. Gaspar said.And this right here cancels any and all sympathy I would have had for the guy.

Temp work visas are not that hard to get and if they are it's because your background doesn't fit the requirements or the current quota has already been filled. You get back in line and wait your turn.

There's plenty of laws many of us don't like and there's property we drive by that we wish was ours. Wishing doesn't make it so and breaking and entering should buy you a bullet and nothing less.

Guy should have been stabilized, stuck in a raft and towed out to the shipping lanes.

[KC Dan]

It's not a novel. lazy bastard, it would probably take you 10 minutes.Not lazy - dickweed... Working and earning $$$ for my company, my salary and my non-gov't-touching bonus. Plus after 2 sentences, I was feeling sleepy.

[KC native]

And this right here cancels any and all sympathy I would have had for the guy.

Temp work visas are not that hard to get and if they are it's because your background doesn't fit the requirements or the current quota has already been filled. You get back in line and wait your turn.

There's plenty of laws many of us don't like and there's property we drive by that we wish was ours. Wishing doesn't make it so and breaking and entering should buy you a bullet and nothing less.

Guy should have been stabilized, stuck in a raft and towed out to the shipping lanes.

Oh noes!11!!111! More internet tough guy talk. Big surprise.

[KC native]

Not lazy - dickweed... Working and earning $$$ for my company, my salary and my non-gov't-touching bonus. Plus after 2 sentences, I was feeling sleepy.

:rolleyes: Right, all while you're still posting on CP. You could have already finished it.

[Otter]

Oh noes!11!!111! More internet tough guy talk. Big surprise.

You need a new line. Especially if you're going to join in on the name calling you labeled "tough guy talk".

[KC Dan]

:rolleyes: Right, all while you're still posting on CP. You could have already finished it.As I stated earlier "WTH cares?" and I keep my eye on a couple of threads a day as I work. No time for extended reading sessions unless it is associated with my work.<!-- / message -->

[KC native]

You need a new line. Especially if you're going to join in on the name calling you labeled "tough guy talk".

Were you not trying to be a badass by saying how inhumanely you would treat critically injured humans?

[KC native]

As I stated earlier "WTH cares?" and I keep my eye on a couple of threads a day as I work. No time for extended reading sessions unless it is associated with my work.<!-- / message -->

If you don't care why are you still posting in this thread?

[KC Dan]

If you don't care why are you still posting in this thread?good point

[Otter]

Were you not trying to be a badass by saying how inhumanely you would treat critically injured humans?

No, it was a showing of how I feel people should be treated that break and enter into others homes.

You like to ask question KC Native but not answer.

What would your comments have been on that post if I didn't interject the "tough guy" statements?

Is it OK to break and enter someone else's country and home?

I'll be very surprised if actually nut up and answer this being the hide and seek artist you are.

[KC native]

No, it was a showing of how I feel people should be treated that break and enter into others homes.

You like to ask question KC Native but not answer.

What would your comments have been on that post if I didn't interject the "tough guy" statements?

Is it OK to break and enter someone else's country and home?

I'll be very surprised if actually nut up and answer this being the hide and seek artist you are.

So breaking and entering into homes is now analogous to illegally immigrating to the US and working? :rolleyes:

The statement I was particularly referring to was this

Guy should have been stabilized, stuck in a raft and towed out to the shipping lanes.

What does this have to do with breaking and entering (neither of which the guy involved did)?

[Otter]

So breaking and entering into homes is now analogous to illegally immigrating to the US and working? :rolleyes:

My question was: "Is it OK to break and enter someone else's country and home?". You simply reworded it to avoid the question.

But your lack of answering the question for the 10th time in a row is exactly what I expected.

The defense rests.

You should be hiding, not seeking at this point son.

[wild1]

I for one think we should have all the world's terminally ill shipped to us.

[Mr. Krab]

I can't believe the hospital won. I'm glad they did, but pretty stunned that they did.

[Hydrae]

I can't believe the hospital won. I'm glad they did, but pretty stunned that they did.

Only because it was decided by a jury, the judge was ready to rule the other way from the sounds of it.

[KC native]

My question was: "Is it OK to break and enter someone else's country and home?". You simply reworded it to avoid the question.

But your lack of answering the question for the 10th time in a row is exactly what I expected.

The defense rests.

You should be hiding, not seeking at this point son.

Your question is a logical fallacy. It's a red herring and serves no other purpose than to distract from what the actual issue being discussed is. So it will remain unanswered because it's not relevant. So, when you learn how to not make a fallacious argument then you can talk to me bitch.

[Hydrae]

Your question is a logical fallacy. It's a red herring and serves no other purpose than to distract from what the actual issue being discussed is. So it will remain unanswered because it's not relevant. So, when you learn how to not make a fallacious argument then you can talk to me bitch.

It is a fallacy to include the question of the legallity of his status in this country in relation to the amount that a private organization should have to support said individual? God, I hate the nitpicking ways people avoid things in this forum some days.

[KC native]

It is a fallacy to include the question of the legallity of his status in this country in relation to the amount that a private organization should have to support said individual? God, I hate the nitpicking ways people avoid things in this forum some days.

I'm not avoiding his status. No one was debating that. The debate is whether it is humane to send someone who was critically injured here to an environment where the hospital knows that person will not receive adequate medical care.

[Hydrae]

I'm not avoiding his status. No one was debating that. The debate is whether it is humane to send someone who was critically injured here to an environment where the hospital knows that person will not receive adequate medical care.

And if they have no legal status here who will pay for such care? Should it not be the country of which they are a citizen?

[Otter]

Your question is a logical fallacy. It's a red herring and serves no other purpose than to distract from what the actual issue being discussed is. So it will remain unanswered because it's not relevant. So, when you learn how to not make a fallacious argument then you can talk to me bitch.

I was under the impression this thread had something to do with illegal immigration.

That's about the 10th time you avoided the question like the bitch you are.

[KC native]

I was under the impression this thread had something to do with illegal immigration.

That's about the 10th time you avoided the question like the bitch you are.

That's because you're a dumb fuck who can't read.

[KC native]

And if they have no legal status here who will pay for such care? Should it not be the country of which they are a citizen?

It shouldn't be about the money. Is it humane to send him into a situation where you know he will not receive proper care? Wouldn't that be a violation of the do no harm part of the hippocratic oath?

[Hydrae]

It shouldn't be about the money. Is it humane to send him into a situation where you know he will not receive proper care? Wouldn't that be a violation of the do no harm part of the hippocratic oath?

Is it humane to keep in him a vegatative state for years on end? It has been 9 years since his accident. Honestly, I have not read the 3 posts that are the article you found so I do not know the details here but at some point you just have to give up and let him go home to the Lord. I would expect after 9 years there is little hope of a recovery.

[KC native]

Is it humane to keep in him a vegatative state for years on end? It has been 9 years since his accident. Honestly, I have not read the 3 posts that are the article you found so I do not know the details here but at some point you just have to give up and let him go home to the Lord. I would expect after 9 years there is little hope of a recovery.

He's not a vegetable. He went from being a fully functioning member of society to someone who can no longer care for himself. He has lost parts of his memory, has seizures, and an overall reduction in mental capacity.

[vailpass]

Couldn't they just have "accidentally" pulled the plug on this criminal and saved a whole lot of $$?
Fugging illegals.

[Mr. Krab]

Couldn't they just have "accidentally" pulled the plug on this criminal and saved a whole lot of $$?
Fugging illegals.
A little extreme, just make sure the patient is stable and then "to da ship" ... literally.

[vailpass]

A little extreme, just make sure the patient is stable and then "to da ship" ... literally.

I'm fine with that as long as he mows the lawn and trims the trees on the hospital grounds until he has worked off his bill.