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HonestChieffan
07-31-2009, 08:43 PM
Will people really stand still for this??

Waxman Strong-arms Vote to Allow Abortion Coverage in Public Plan
Last night, the House Energy and Commerce Committee narrowly passed the Stupak-Pitts amendment to prevent the bill from mandating that private insurance plans cover abortions, but when Chairman Henry Waxman brought the amendment up for reconsideration, Rep. Bart Gordon of Tennessee flipped his vote to 'no', defeating the Stupak-Pitts amendment 30 to 29. "I misunderstood it the first time," Gordon said of his flip-flop, according to The Hill. Gordon and Zack Space of Ohio were the only Blue Dogs on the committee to vote against the amendment to ban mandates for abortion.

Instead of the Stupak-Pitts amendment, the committee passed an amendment that is being billed by some Democrats as a "common ground" measure on abortion. The amendment--sponsored by Lois Capps (D-Calif.), whose National Right to Life Committee vote-scorecard is 0 for 74--would allow the "public option" to provide coverage for elective abortions and would allow federally subsidized private plans to provide abortion coverage as well. How exactly could this be construed as "common ground"? Congress isn't requiring the public option to cover abortion--merely allowing it. And through some nifty bookkeeping, abortions will supposedly be paid for out of private funds rather than tax dollars.

Because money is fungible, it's difficult to say that tax dollars wouldn't fund abortions through this plan. Douglas Johnson of the National Right to Life Committee says, "Federal subsidies would also flow to private plans that cover elective abortions, under meaningless bookkeeping schemes -- and the amendment actually creates a federal mandate that there must be at least one private abortion plan in each premium rating areas of the health insurance exchange." Say that an individual contributes $1,000 annually to purchase a health-care plan, and the government contributes $5,000. The federal subsidies are not supposed to pay directly for abortions services, but the taxpayer-subsidized plan would allow a person to purchase an abortion for, say, $50 rather than $500.

"The status quo is that nobody has federally subsidized health care that includes abortion," says Johnson. That is true not only for Medicaid recipients, but federal employees as well.

Congressman Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) believes the Capps amendment is a "phony compromise", according to his press secretary. Congressman Joe Pitts (R-Pa.) said in a statement that "The amendment would still allow for taxpayer funding to pay for plans that cover abortion. This is a fig leaf, designed to lure votes from Members who want cover on the issue. The American people will not be fooled. We want an explicit exclusion in the bill to prevent any taxpayer funding from paying for abortions. Anything else is wrong, and contrary to overwhelming popular opinion.”

Last week, Stupak said that there were a "minimum of 39 Democrats"--members who recently voted against public funding of abortion in Washington, D.C.--who would vote against a health-care bill that did not exclude coverage for elective abortions. Neither Zack Space nor Bart Gordon, the Blue Dogs who sided with Waxman, were among the 39 Democrats who voted against taxpayer funding of abortion in D.C. If those 39 Democrats joined all Republicans, they would have enough votes to defeat the bill.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/07/house_democrat_introduces_comp.asp

BucEyedPea
07-31-2009, 09:06 PM
Abortions aren't even that expensive and it's definitely more of a choice than a medical necessity. But the govt will deny coverage for other things it doesn't agree as necessary? I don't want to have my taxes go to this.

BTW I got an email from Congressman Tom Price who asked Obama this:

Even the President wouldn't get on board with his own plan. According to ABC News "Health Care Forum", a doctor in the audience asked the President if he would pledge not to seek extraordinary help if his wife or kids became sick and their treatment and tests fell outside of the Public Plan offered. He refused to make such a pledge...


Now that I'm done with ObamaCare, the sneaky traitorous Republicans are busy with a few Blue Dogs at crafting a compromise bill which is just a Trojan horse that transitions us to the public option plan. They must be NeoCons. It just seems more palatable. Grassroots opposition to this hc bill is pushing this action....but it's not really much better when you look below the surface. It's a "co-operative" plan. It's another lie.

Better call you congresscritter on both of these, not just Obamacare.

Ultra Peanut
07-31-2009, 09:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1XOfHax6Q8

HonestChieffan
07-31-2009, 09:08 PM
Congressman Ike Skelton will not be having public meetings in the district over the recess.

Old fool has to go.

Mizzou_8541
08-01-2009, 02:48 AM
Congressman Ike Skelton will not be having public meetings in the district over the recess.

Old fool has to go.

Wonder why not?

SportsRacer
08-01-2009, 01:37 PM
I heard that Obama will require everybody to serve for at least a year in the Abortion Corps (which will be funded entirely by the taxpayer)!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start brushing up on your abortin' skills!!!!!!1

Baby Lee
08-01-2009, 01:46 PM
I heard that Obama will require everybody to serve for at least a year in the Abortion Corps (which will be funded entirely by the taxpayer)!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start brushing up on your abortin' skills!!!!!!1

Check the handbook

Step one: They'll never do that, stop being so dramatic.
Step two: They did it, get over it.

sportsshrink
08-01-2009, 02:00 PM
the sneaky traitorous Republicans are busy with a few Blue Dogs at crafting a compromise bill which is just a Trojan horse that transitions us to the public option plan. They must be NeoCons. It just seems more palatable. Grassroots opposition to this hc bill is pushing this action....but it's not really much better when you look below the surface. It's a "co-operative" plan. It's another lie.

Better call you congresscritter on both of these, not just Obamacare.

THIS!!!!!! Precisely what they will do is have an "O-lite" plan in the beginning.
Let's fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

banyon
08-01-2009, 02:01 PM
Abortions aren't even that expensive and it's definitely more of a choice than a medical necessity. But the govt will deny coverage for other things it doesn't agree as necessary? I don't want to have my taxes go to this.

BTW I got an email from Congressman Tom Price who asked Obama this:



Now that I'm done with ObamaCare, the sneaky traitorous Republicans are busy with a few Blue Dogs at crafting a compromise bill which is just a Trojan horse that transitions us to the public option plan. They must be NeoCons. It just seems more palatable. Grassroots opposition to this hc bill is pushing this action....but it's not really much better when you look below the surface. It's a "co-operative" plan. It's another lie.

Better call you congresscritter on both of these, not just Obamacare.

Now that you're done with it?

Be honest, you wouldn't support any form of health care no matter what the form.

jjjayb
08-01-2009, 02:04 PM
Now that you're done with it?

Be honest, you wouldn't support any form of health care no matter what the form.

I support the health care I have now. The one I've been paying for with my own money for the last decade.

Messier
08-01-2009, 02:06 PM
I support the health care I have now. The one I've been paying for with my own money for the last decade.

Who said you have to get rid of the plan you like?

banyon
08-01-2009, 02:13 PM
I support the health care I have now. The one I've been paying for with my own money for the last decade.

I meant health care reform, if that helps.

Guru
08-01-2009, 02:16 PM
Who said you have to get rid of the plan you like?When his employer realizes the money they can save by making him take the public option.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-01-2009, 02:54 PM
Check the handbook

Step one: They'll never do that, stop being so dramatic.
Step two: They did it, get over it.

Man if this isn't the truth, can you send me the ebook copy? You must be reading from the actual playbook.

BucEyedPea
08-01-2009, 03:30 PM
I wonder who's gonna pay the euthanasia costs for the "useless eaters?"

KILLER_CLOWN
08-01-2009, 04:19 PM
I wonder who's gonna pay the euthanasia costs for the "useless eaters?"

I'm sure David Rockefeller would gleefully pick up the tab.

bobbymitch
08-01-2009, 08:03 PM
HC - there's a little more to this as I watched the hearing. When became apparent that the Stupak-Pitt Amendment was going to pass, Waxman changed his very vocal NO to a yes.

Needless to say it surprised the bejesus out of me. Several hours later, Waxman moved to reconsider. Only those who voted for the amendment could make this motion. No debate, straight to a vote. It was obvious of the arm twisting that occurred to get this defeated.

The Capps Amendment was labeled as a compromise amendment and as the dems offered their support, the repubs asked who compromised on what, who was involved? Capps, obviously, had no response. The sticking point was that it was tied to the Heidt sp?) bill/amendment in HFS. When it goes bye bye, then abortions will then be funded by the feds.