Palins reported to divorce

[Baby Lee]

http://alaskareport.com/news39/x71283_divorce_palins.htm

Wheeee!! BL breaks some news

BL - actually a little surprised if this actually isn't a repost of some sort.

[Stewie]

I don't get the fascination with Palin. She's the Obama of the Republican party.

[Baby Lee]

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=111060718434&ref=mf

Already denied, should've known to check Sarah's rump and ask Sully about the sitch.

[Brock]

See? We told you these people were screwed up!

[Guru]

yaawn. She is old news.

[BCD]

I don't get the fascination with Palin. She's the Obama of the Republican party.Possibly, but I'd much rather fuck her...:)

[Stewie]

Possibly, but I'd much rather **** her...:)

ROFL I bet she's dirty dirty!

[BucEyedPea]

ROFL I bet she's dirty dirty!

So are you gonna ask her out now that she may be available? :)

[Sully]

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=111060718434&ref=mf

Already denied, should've known to check Sarah's rump and ask Sully about the sitch.

What?

[Baby Lee]

What?

Not everythings about you. ;)

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/

[Sully]

Not everythings about you. ;)

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/

I assumed it was some reference about something I wasn't getting. I just wanted to check.

[wild1]

Damn. I was hoping she'd be single.

[Skip Towne]

Damn. I was hoping she'd be single.

I wouldn't take her. She doesn't have a job.

[RedNeckRaider]

I don't get the fascination with Palin. She's the Obama of the Republican party.

No shit

[wild1]

I wouldn't take her. She doesn't have a job.

I've got one for her.

[BigChiefFan]

Obama is articulate, Palin isn't. Not even close.

[wild1]

Obama is articulate, Palin isn't. Not even close.

And a fat lot of good that's done him in his first 6 months.

[RedNeckRaider]

And a fat lot of good that's done him in his first 6 months.

LMAO the she is pretty but he talks pretty reply outstanding. Both are of the same cloth sadly one got elected. Talk about damned if you do damned if you don't!

[frazod]

She'll be the queen of the cougars. :drool:

[Mecca]

I'd say I'd hit it but if she got pregnant I'd have a kid with a really stupid name....

[penchief]

And a fat lot of good that's done him in his first 6 months.

Nobody said it was going to be easy. The full weight of the corporate establishment is trying to undermine progress. It's not like our current president is getting a free ride from the statu-quo, ala Bush.

That said, Palin is the female version of Bush. She's not qualified intellectually or tempermentally but does a good job paying lip service to American values while simultaneously undermining those values. She's a right-wing rabble rouser and that's about it.

[Brock]

Nobody said it was going to be easy. The full weight of the corporate establishment is trying to undermine progress. It's not like our current president is getting a free ride from the statu-quo, ala Bush.

Obama is just another suit in the company pocket. Quit kidding yourself.

[wild1]

Nobody said it was going to be easy. The full weight of the corporate establishment is trying to undermine progress. It's not like our current president is getting a free ride from the statu-quo, ala Bush.

That said, Palin is the female version of Bush. She's not qualified intellectually or tempermentally but does a good job paying lip service to American values while simultaneously undermining those values. She's a right-wing rabble rouser and that's about it.

Reading a speech off a teleprompter well doesn't qualify you. It's being proven every day in this dark comedy out of Washington. He's clueless. We may as well have just picked a name out of the phone book.

[penchief]

Obama is just another suit in the company pocket. Quit kidding yourself.

I'm not kidding myself. I know he's not pure as snow. But you can't have it both ways. There is a reason that the corporate establishment is sponsoring a huge pushback. It's because there are measures proposed that make health care more accessible at the expense of Wall Street profits.

I hope that someday even the righties in this country will recognize the corporate greed is not the be all and end all of human existence. A greed-driven health care system is counterproductive to the goal of affordable health care for everyone.

Human dignity is not a commodity. I'm disappointed that so many people are willing to parrot the talking points of those whose only goal is to get rich of the suffering of their fellow man. The only thing corporate health care is concerned with is protecting its profit margins.

Our corporate health care system doesn't care about providing the most effective care to the largest number of people at the most affordable price. That should be the goal of any health care system, IMO.

[H5N1]

I'd say I'd hit it but if she got pregnant I'd have a kid with a really stupid name....

PIITB, that way there's no kids.

[penchief]

Reading a speech off a teleprompter well doesn't qualify you. It's being proven every day in this dark comedy out of Washington. He's clueless. We may as well have just picked a name out of the phone book.

He's not clueless. You're just reciting your right wing talking points. It's a shame that your party has become the party of Rush Limbabugh, Sarah Palin, and Joe the Plumber. The sad part is that you are perfectly content with that. And anyone who is content with that has no room to talk about the intelligence of others.

[petegz28]

He's not clueless. You're just reciting your right wing talking points. It's a shame that your party has become the party of Rush Limbabugh, Sarah Palin, and Joe the Plumber. The sad part is that you are perfectly content with that. And anyone who is content with that has no room to talk about the intelligence of others.

Without the tele, Obama says "um" more than Steve Bono.

[Brock]

I'm not kidding myself. I know he's not pure as snow. But you can't have it both ways. There is a reason that the corporate establishment is sponsoring a huge pushback. It's because there are measures proposed that make health care more accessible at the expense of Wall Street profits.

The corporate establishment is not sponsoring a huge pushback. The corporate establishment is elated with how things have gone so far. They're getting everything they want, and as soon as they get us all plucked off the employment based insurance tit, they'll be even happier. Next up, private pensions converted to a government program, which, like public healthcare, will be paid for BY US, not them.

[penchief]

Reading a speech off a teleprompter well doesn't qualify you. It's being proven every day in this dark comedy out of Washington. He's clueless. We may as well have just picked a name out of the phone book.

Oh, and as far as this teleprompter thing goes, I'm amazed that anyone who tolerated the Bush method of giving speeches (recite five words per page and then flip the page with authority) would have anything to say about someone who can actually present an entire concept without having to flip the page to finish a single sentence.

This whole teleprompter issue is just another red herring from those on the right who are unwilling to debate with substance.

[penchief]

The corporate establishment is not sponsoring a huge pushback. The corporate establishment is elated with how things have gone so far. They're getting everything they want, and as soon as they get us all plucked off the employment based insurance tit, they'll be even happier. Next up, private pensions converted to a government program, which, like public healthcare, will be paid for BY US, not them.

Yeah they are. That's what they pay lobbyists for. And the corporate media is doing its bidding as well.

I agree that businesses should not have to provide health care. That is not their job. But that doesn't mean that an entire industry should revolve around gouging people over life sustaining medical care.

It's okay to take the cost for providing care out of the employer's arena. But it's not okay for our health care system to be a corporate windfall designed to maximize profit at the expense of the system's efficacy.

There is a big difference, IMO. One is good for business in general and the other is good for the general public.

[Brock]

Yeah they are. That's what they pay lobbyists for. And the corporate media is doing its bidding as well.

No, they're not. Why would they? They're making more money from the government right now than they ever have in the past, and they don't even have to do anything for it. Your antenna's bent, buddy.

[WilliamTheIrish]

...Next up, private pensions converted to a government program, which, like public healthcare, will be paid for BY US, not them.

This doesn't get enough attention. Because Brock is correct. It's up next and it's real.

What would you think pen if the gov't was responsible for your pension?

[penchief]

No, they're not. Why would they? They're making more money from the government right now than they ever have in the past, and they don't even have to do anything for it. Your antenna's bent, buddy.

As far as I know there haven't been any changes to the system yet. The excess profits they are making at the taxpayer's expense is due to Bush's Medicare corporate welfare program. Your antenna is bent if you can't detect a PR pushback as well as the lobbying that is going on to prevent any changes to the windfall they were given by Bush.

I agree with you that they don't want to give that up. It's change toward more affordable more accessible health care that they are lobbying against because it means less profit. Just because Bush gave them a windfall doesn't mean Obama will. If Obama's intent were the same as Bush's we wouldn't have so many Reagan/Bush disciples bashing him. Would we?

[penchief]

This doesn't get enough attention. Because Brock is correct. It's up next and it's real.

What would you think pen if the gov't was responsible for your pension?

Not at all. If a business offers a pension as part of its employment package that's an entirely different scenario. I protested long before anyone else on this board about my disgust over businesses renegging on their pension promises. In fact, some of my earliest posts that took place over six years ago will show that to be my position. That has not changed.

Health care is a social issue that probably should never have been left to employers in the first place. Taking the burden from them should be the best stimulus package a business could receive. And the public would benefit if corporate greed could be removed from the equation when it comes to adminstering health care.

It seems odd to see myself being criticized for defending businesses considering my well-established reputation as an advocate for reining in unrestrained corporate greed and power.

[Brock]

As far as I know there haven't been any changes to the system yet. The excess profits they are making at the taxpayer's expense is due to Bush's Medicare corporate welfare program. Your antenna is bent if you can't detect a PR pushback as well as the lobbying that is going on to prevent any changes to the windfall they were given by Bush.

I agree with you that they don't want to give that up. It's change toward more affordable more accessible health care that they are lobbying against because it means less profit. Just because Bush gave them a windfall doesn't mean Obama will. If Obama's intent were the same as Bush's we wouldn't have so many Reagan/Bush disciples bashing him. Would we?

They NOT lobbying against it, other than insurance companies, but even they are going to make money off of it. You're cheering as the trojan horse rolls in your gate, good luck with that.

[Brock]

Everybody sayitnow: Cog ni tive dis so nance

[penchief]

They NOT lobbying against it, other than insurance companies, but even they are going to make money off of it. You're cheering as the trojan horse rolls in your gate, good luck with that.

I'm not cheering anything. I'm providing a counterpoint. What is taking place is not at all what I had hoped for. That said, doing nothing is ridiculous. Compromise is the inevitable result of the push back you insist hasn't existed. Corporate whores within the republican party have done all they can to water down any legislation that threatens the golden goose known as the corporate health care system.

I know fully well what a trojan horse is. I'm not sure that is quite what we have yet. There may come a time when universal health care has been so perverted by special interests that it may very well be that. But that is not where it started out and hopefully something will get done that will be considered a step forward before that happens.

[penchief]

Everybody sayitnow: Cog ni tive dis so nance

You can accuse me of cognitive dissonance all you want but it doesn't make it so. There have been no changes to the system yet. I don't think anyone knows what the finished product will look like. I am not happy because it is much messier than it needed to be. One of the major reasons it has been messier than it needed to be is that there has been a pushback and there has been compromise.

I can continue to tell you that I'm not happy with the way things are going but that doesn't stop you from accusing me of being a cheerleader or of having cognitive dissonance. All I'm doing is pointing out how I believe the process of pushing for change is necessary and how not doing anything is not an option. The corporate establishment wants nothing more than for us to continue to allow them the freedom to rape and pillage. If they can't prevent legislation they will corrupt it. Just like they do with our representative government.

[Brock]

It's almost unbelieveable to me how uninformed you are. You are in favor of vague, obscure changes that they're not going to show you until it's over and you're on the hook for it. It's a complete waste of time to argue with such a shill.

[Baby Lee]

It's almost unbelieveable to me how uninformed you are. You are in favor of vague, obscure changes that they're not going to show you until it's over and you're on the hook for it. It's a complete waste of time to argue with such a shill.

Well, in penchief world where corporations do nothing save perpetrate evil and Democrats do nothing save manufacture joy, the fact that Democrats are doing something means ipso facto something awesome and benificent is in the offing.

[Garcia Bronco]

I've got one for her.

Yup. Planting "Tulips" for ten dollars and hour.

[Amnorix]

I don't get the fascination with Palin. She's the Obama of the Republican party.

Nice tits no brains?

I don't get that from Obama at all....







:p

[StcChief]

Nice tits no brains?

I don't get that from Obama at all....







:pand she can't drop Three pointers like BHO :rolleyes:

[ROYC75]

Amazing!:rolleyes:

You guys just can't wait to find anything to discredit her, even untrue articles.

Some people within the Democratic party is nervous! :D

[BucEyedPea]

Amazing!:rolleyes:

You guys just can't wait to find anything to discredit her, even untrue articles.

Some people within the Democratic party is nervous! :D

You didn't see that report that these stories are coming from an operative connected to the Dem party?

[ROYC75]

You didn't see that report that these stories are coming from an operative connected to the Dem party?

I did, reason I mentioned the story not being real. The dems are starving for more mud to sling around while Obo campaigns.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Amazing!:rolleyes:

You guys just can't wait to find anything to discredit him, even untrue articles.

Some people within the Republican party is [sic] nervous! :DWow, she's more like the Republican version of Obama than I thought.

[ROYC75]

Wow, she's more like the Republican version of Obama than I thought.

Any way to spin & twist it to your advantage works, Just keep on keeping on.

[penchief]

Well, in penchief world where corporations do nothing save perpetrate evil and Democrats do nothing save manufacture joy, the fact that Democrats are doing something means ipso facto something awesome and benificent is in the offing.

Not at all. It has nothing to do with democrat or reprublican. Other than their histories pertaining to progress. One party has traditionally advocated for progress in the areas of equal opportunity and equal access while the other has traditionally resisted that progress in favor of preserving the status quo.

That said, the issue is about doing something to change the course of our corporate profit driven health care system. Doing something is much better than doing nothing. The fact that there is a major pushback should be evidence that those who represent the status quo are fighting hard to preserve their cash cow.

All I'm doing is advocating for progress. I can't help it if that puts me at odds with the party that has traditionally advocated for the statu quo/corporate establishment.

[penchief]

It's almost unbelieveable to me how uninformed you are. You are in favor of vague, obscure changes that they're not going to show you until it's over and you're on the hook for it. It's a complete waste of time to argue with such a shill.

I'm not shilling for anyone. I don't think there is anything in any of my posts that would suggest that. I'm countering the posts of those who only want to resort to talking points designed to trash the entire notion of health care reform. I'm just stating that health care reform is absolutely necessary.

I've repeatedly stated that I'm not happy with the way things are playing out. AND I'll be the first to admit that I don't know every detail of the ever evolving proposals currently being muddled through in congress. But neither do those who just want to poo poo the whole idea of a better system.

Even though I keep telling you I'm not happy with the way things are going or that the only thing I'm advocating for is a major sea change from corporate health care driven by Wall Street profits to common sense health care driven by the ideal of affordable quality care for everyone. I don't give a shit how we get there as long as we get there.

Calling me names won't disquise the fact that those on your side of the argument are content with the shameful system we have. That is evident by the fact that you're not offering any alternative solutions. All you're doing is tearing down the idea of health care reform and anyone that advocates for a more practical and humane system.

[Brock]

Even though I keep telling you I'm not happy with the way things are going or that the only thing I'm advocating for is a major sea change from corporate health care driven by Wall Street profits to common sense health care driven by the ideal of affordable quality care for everyone. I don't give a shit how we get there as long as we get there.


That's exactly what a shill is.

[Duck Dog]

Obama is articulate, Palin isn't. Not even close.

He narrates.

[jAZ]

That's exactly what a shill is.

Hardly. A shill would believe "I don't care where we go, as long as (xyz) takes us there".

[Brock]

Hardly. A shill would believe "I don't care where we go, as long as (xyz) takes us there".

In this case, same thing.

[penchief]

That's exactly what a shill is.

If the final product is desirable then that is what we should be advocating for. I didn't mean for it to sound like I would do anything to get there. One should not compromise his principles. But at the same time the ideal one holds in his minds eye should be pursued even if the process is messy and uncomfortable.

The corporate establishment's desire to once again torpedo that which is good for the general public has become exasperating for those of us who hope for a better day. And the dishonest tactics being used make it doubly frustrating.

So I take back the words, "I don't care how we get there." But I do advocate fighting this battle as hard and as long as it takes in order to overcome the power and influence that the corporate establishment has over our health care system and our society. I can't imagine why anyone would continue advocating the same corporate elitism that is eating away at our country like a cancer.

[penchief]

In this case, same thing.

It's easy to make baseless claims, isn't it?

[Donger]

Penchief, do you work for a corporation?

[penchief]

Penchief, do you work for a corporation?

Doesn't matter if I do or don't. The point is that the corporate culture has to change. Corporations are not inherently evil. But corporate money is being used to influence legislation in ways that enable corporations to perpetuate the greed and corruption that is undermining our representative government and our society.