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Douche Baggins
08-15-2009, 09:38 PM
http://kan.scout.com/2/888768.html

It’s time for the Chiefs to end their silly game with Dwayne Bowe.

In case you were actually doing something remotely entertaining and missed Saturday night’s Chiefs game, here’s the shocking news from Arrowhead Stadium – Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307406) didn’t start the game with the rest of KC’s first-team offense. Nope, the Chiefs trotted out a couple of NFL spares – Terrance Copper (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307415) and Devard Darling (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307431) - to complement Matt Cassel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4210794), Larry Johnson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307530) and Branden Albert (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307400).

The results, as predicted, were disappointing.

After zipping a precise 12-yard timing pattern to Copper on his first pass, Cassel’s second perfect throw was dropped (by Copper). Darling’s lone touch came on a doomed slip screen on a later third down. In about a half of football, Copper and Darling combined for two catches, 15 yards, and didn’t come close to scaring a defensive back or proving they actually deserve their “starting” jobs.

We probably shouldn’t be surprised. Both are little more than career special teams players. Copper is wearing his fourth NFL jersey in seven years. Darling spent the first half of last season in Kansas City failing miserably to beat single coverage despite the fact Bowe and Tony Gonzalez were drawing defenders.

Why were Copper and Darling starting? Supposedly, it was a motivational ploy by Coach Todd Haley, who wouldn’t mind turning Bowe into Larry Fitzgerald (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4249303), the Pro Bowl receiver who flourished under his guidance with the Arizona Cardinals a year ago. It’s no secret Bowe has been dropping passes in training camp.

Bowe didn’t drop any passes Saturday night.

He got open, latched onto the ball with his incredibly strong hands again and again, and generally looked like someone who was determined to fight his way back into the starting lineup. After catching a simple hook pattern to start his night, Bowe sold out his body on KC’s next drive, diving to secure a 14-yard gain, setting up a Ryan Succop (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4416113) field goal.

Working with Brodie Croyle (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307425) and a handful of second and third-string Chiefs, Bowe later made an incredible leaping catch down the right sideline for 18 yards. His night concluded after five catches, 70 yards, and nary a dropped pass for Haley to fume over.

Bowe didn’t appear to be a receiver who wanted to pout over his third-team sentence, ala Randy Moss (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4309679). He looked motivated and hungry to prove himself. He gave Haley exactly what he was looking for – focus, flawless hands and first downs.

Did I mention all of this production came during the middle of a torrential downpour that resulted in fumbled snaps and sloppy, slippery play all over the field?

As Chiefs color man Len Dawson pointed out in the broadcast booth, “That’s pretty good for a third stringer.”

Bowe’s no third stringer, or even a backup for that matter. His performance Saturday night, and the lack thereof from Copper and Darling, should be reason enough for Haley to return his starting job immediately. Bowe might drop a couple of passes this week in practice, but demoting him again, for next Saturday’s game in Minnesota against the Vikings would be silly and counterproductive.

There’s zero reason for the Chiefs to delay developing chemistry between Bowe and Cassel. Considering their other options at receiver – none of whom showed much Saturday night – playing more mind games with Bowe is downright dangerous if the team has any plans at all to move the ball consistently this season. Getting Bowe and Cassel on the same page should be preseason priority number one from here on out.

Do we even want to think about what happens next week if no one is open while Jared Allen (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4176250) closes on Cassel’s blindside? And why even risk your best receiver’s health by putting him on the field deep into the third quarter of a meaningless game? You’re just asking for trouble at that point.

Just imagine if Bowe had caught the slant Copper dropped on KC’s first possession against the Texans. Maybe the offense finishes that drive out with a score, giving the fans something to cheer about other than a 48-yard field goal at the halftime gun. Maybe no one is left wondering if Herm Edwards was upstairs, calling plays for the Chiefs in the first half.

Hopefully Bowe isn’t wondering about his starting job Monday morning.

Deberg_1990
08-15-2009, 09:39 PM
People pay for this crap?? ROFL

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 09:39 PM
glad no one had to pay $109 to figure that out.

DeezNutz
08-15-2009, 09:39 PM
How do you know he has incredibly strong hands?

L.A. Chieffan
08-15-2009, 09:40 PM
DO NOT QUESTION HALEY

petegz28
08-15-2009, 09:41 PM
Maybe if he quits dropping passes in practice and giving half-hearted efforts at times he will start?

keg in kc
08-15-2009, 09:44 PM
Nobody's going to wonder what would have happened "if Bowe had caught the slant Cooper dropped on KC's first possession against the Texans." Because it's a ****ing preseason game. Guess what, if Bowe had been in to catch (or drop) the slant, it would still be a preseason game, and we'd all still forget about it by the time we wake up tomorrow. Because it doesn't matter.

Bowe was demoted this week because he needed to wake the **** up. And apparently it worked, if he was focused the last couple of days of practice as Haley said. Everything is they do right now is centered on making the team stronger a month from now, and if he's a better, more focused player then because he spent a few days on the second team now, then it was anything but silly.

KCtotheSB
08-15-2009, 09:45 PM
SWEET TAP DANCIN' JESUS, WHO DO I GIVE MY CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND PIN TOO IN ORDER TO GET MORE OF THIS HARD HITTING ANALYSIS?!?!?!?

BigRedChief
08-15-2009, 09:45 PM
uhhhh duh
http://imgsrv.kmbz.com/image/kmbz/UserFiles/Image/Brian%5C%27s%20Pics/captain_obvious.jpg

Mecca
08-15-2009, 09:45 PM
Maybe he isn't a good practice player?

There are numerous guys like that, that are shit in practice but are great in games.

Dave Lane
08-15-2009, 09:46 PM
Message sent.....Message received

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 09:47 PM
Maybe he isn't a good practice player?

There are numerous guys like that, that are shit in practice but are great in games.

Something a 1st yr HC needs to find out about his team. Right or wrong.

DeezNutz
08-15-2009, 09:47 PM
Chiefs Insider, what are you hearing?

Will Bowe start? How do you think this will affect his FF value?

I'm so nervous.

Mecca
08-15-2009, 09:49 PM
Personally I got a huge kick how much better Bowe and Bradley looked compared to the rest of the receivers and they're out there with the backups.

I bet those Texans scrub players were like "hey what kinda shit is this I'm suppose to get to face scrubs not Dwayne Bowe"

LaChapelle
08-15-2009, 09:50 PM
Maybe part of Bowe's problem is Cassel. Then again this would have been a good chance to work on that. NM

Skip Towne
08-15-2009, 09:50 PM
Maybe he isn't a good practice player?

There are numerous guys like that, that are shit in practice but are great in games.

Anyone remember Art Still? He would have been out of the league if it weren't for game days.

Douche Baggins
08-15-2009, 09:50 PM
Personally I got a huge kick how much better Bowe and Bradley looked compared to the rest of the receivers and they're out there with the backups.

I bet those Texans scrub players were like "hey what kinda shit is this I'm suppose to get to face scrubs not Dwayne Bowe"

Yup. It was like night and day.

Bowe had another catch and first down if Croyle hadn't sidearmed a throw into a defensive lineman.

Slainte
08-15-2009, 09:50 PM
Love to see a list of the retarded chimps that pay for that webwaste....

Douche Baggins
08-15-2009, 09:50 PM
Maybe part of Bowe's problem is Cassel. Then again this would have been a good chance to work on that.

Yeah, no shit. Here's hoping this garbage ends.

kstater
08-15-2009, 09:51 PM
So your mancrush here is Darling, yet your "paid" gig Darling is a "spare"?

Just Passin' By
08-15-2009, 09:51 PM
Maybe part of Bowe's problem is Cassel. Then again this would have been a good chance to work on that. NM

Good point. After all, Bowe had the fewest drops of any player in the league last season. This whole thing didn't even start until Cassel joined the Chiefs.

KcMizzou
08-15-2009, 09:52 PM
Personally I got a huge kick how much better Bowe and Bradley looked compared to the rest of the receivers and they're out there with the backups.

I bet those Texans scrub players were like "hey what kinda shit is this I'm suppose to get to face scrubs not Dwayne Bowe"No shit. This is all just about motivation. Anyone who thinks Bowe won't be starting come week 1, is a moron.

Skip Towne
08-15-2009, 09:53 PM
When did Darling become a spare? Last year you said he would show us how wrong we were. You belong at WPI.

Douche Baggins
08-15-2009, 09:54 PM
No shit. This is all just about motivation. Anyone who thinks Bowe won't be starting come week 1, is a moron.

There's no question he'll be starting.

But if he spends the entire preseason with Croyle and/or Thigpen, how effective is he going to be?

LaChapelle
08-15-2009, 09:54 PM
Good point. After all, Bowe had the fewest drops of any player in the league last season. This whole thing didn't even start until Cassel joined the Chiefs.

Insert picture of QB dry humping a skeleton.

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 09:54 PM
No shit. This is all just about motivation. Anyone who thinks Bowe won't be starting come week 1, is a moron.

If he isnt, then he isnt the player we think he is.

Mecca
08-15-2009, 09:55 PM
No shit. This is all just about motivation. Anyone who thinks Bowe won't be starting come week 1, is a moron.

Well yea unless Todd Haley would like to have a really short head coaching tenure.

If Bowe isn't starting in the 3rd preseason game I'll be concerned because he would then basically no time with Cassel going into the year.

BigRedChief
08-15-2009, 09:55 PM
There's no question he'll be starting.

But if he spends the entire preseason with Croyle and/or Thigpen, how effective is he going to be?
and working with Cassel in preactice

Basileus777
08-15-2009, 09:56 PM
Surprisingly enough, water is wet.

Mecca
08-15-2009, 09:56 PM
If he isnt, then he isnt the player we think he is.

Even if he isn't what we think he is, he's at the very least a starting WR in the NFL.

LaChapelle
08-15-2009, 09:57 PM
Huard threw softballs
Croyle threw lazers
Thigpen wings some strange ass shit only a HOF can catch

Basileus777
08-15-2009, 09:58 PM
Even if he isn't what we think he is, he's at the very least a starting WR in the NFL.

There's no way to argue that Bowe is anything but the best receiver on this roster.

KcMizzou
08-15-2009, 09:59 PM
There's no question he'll be starting.

But if he spends the entire preseason with Croyle and/or Thigpen, how effective is he going to be?I'm not worried about that at all...

Cassel can deliver the ball in perfect spots... and Bowe can catch it.

Haley's just busting his balls because he knows the guy's good, but has the potential to be even better.

Bowe will thank him for it, one day.

Mecca
08-15-2009, 09:59 PM
There's no way to argue that Bowe is anything but the best receiver on this roster.

Yea, I'd think he'd start on a good majority of the teams in the NFL.

KcMizzou
08-15-2009, 10:00 PM
Even if he isn't what we think he is, he's at the very least a starting WR in the NFL.He's better than that. Right now.

But he's got the talent to be more.

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 10:02 PM
Even if he isn't what we think he is, he's at the very least a starting WR in the NFL.

Not if he doesnt work for it. Haley is pushing a button and seeing how he reacts. Does he want to be a starter.... or a star? Johnnie Morton was a starter in the NFL.... doesnt make him good. Bowe has star qualities... Haley is trying to get the effort out of him.

Hoover
08-15-2009, 10:02 PM
So one might say Haley's tactics worked with Bowe.

It the first preseason game and it was raining hard. Come on dude.

Douche Baggins
08-15-2009, 10:03 PM
So one might say Haley's tactics worked with Bowe.

Maybe. Maybe not. It's quite possible all Haley's "tactics" did was make the first-team offense look like a pile of shit.


It the first preseason game and it was raining hard.Didn't seem to bother Bowe.

Mecca
08-15-2009, 10:04 PM
Not if he doesnt work for it. Haley is pushing a button and seeing how he reacts. Does he want to be a starter.... or a star? Johnnie Morton was a starter in the NFL.... doesnt make him good. Bowe has star qualities... Haley is trying to get the effort out of him.

Hey Morton had some really good years, people remember his blah years here but before that he was pretty good.

It was weird how coming here destroyed his numbers.

Slainte
08-15-2009, 10:05 PM
It the first preseason game and it was raining hard. Come on dude.

I'm still trying to figure out how Haley got it to rain like that...

chiefs1111
08-15-2009, 10:06 PM
Well yea unless Todd Haley would like to have a really short head coaching tenure.

If Bowe isn't starting in the 3rd preseason game I'll be concerned because he would then basically no time with Cassel going into the year.

Bowe will probably be starting in next Fridays game against the Vikes

LaChapelle
08-15-2009, 10:06 PM
Thats the down side to having JC Pierson in the both. He reminds me of Johny Morton.

Slainte
08-15-2009, 10:07 PM
Hey Morton had some really good years, people remember his blah years here but before that he was pretty good.

It was weird how coming here destroyed his numbers.

That was one of the most brutal disintegration of talent I've ever seen in football. Morton was solid in Detroit. To this day I wonder what happened when he got to KC...

Chocolate Hog
08-15-2009, 10:07 PM
It won't matter who the WR's are if the line plays like shit.

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 10:13 PM
Hey Morton had some really good years, people remember his blah years here but before that he was pretty good.

It was weird how coming here destroyed his numbers.


In an offense that shouldnt have? It was an offense where his position was 1st option. Kennison did fine in it. Was a wake up call... lets hope Bowe gets it.... there's no doubting his talent. Bowe is and can be a top 3 WR. lacks focus and will see the next couple of weeks if he has the desire. I know you clown haley over his last few jobs as WR coach.... but fact is.... none of those players are better since he left.

Mecca
08-15-2009, 10:16 PM
He did a good job with Steve Breaston, the Dallas WR's I'd say push I think those guys are what they are.

I'm probably not coming from the best place with the Dallas stuff cause as soon as the Chiefs hired him a good friend of mine was like "when he was with Dallas there were all sorts of problems"

pr_capone
08-15-2009, 10:20 PM
uhhhh duh
http://imgsrv.kmbz.com/image/kmbz/UserFiles/Image/Brian%5C%27s%20Pics/captain_obvious.jpg

ROFLROFLROFL

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 10:24 PM
Dallas has more problems than you could shake Haleys dick at. He was the OC, not the WR coach in AZ. Some guys are going to respond to hard ass coaches, some guys will crawl into a shell ..... If you're a head coach that wants to get everything out of every spot on the roster... you are going to see what buttons need to be pushed. Bowe needs to step up and focus.... unless you think his drops were because he isnt talented enough to make the catches? how else do you motivate him? What would Mecca the WR coach do to make Bowe better?

pr_capone
08-15-2009, 10:25 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how Haley got it to rain like that...

It wasn't Haley. It was Pioli.

BigRock
08-15-2009, 10:27 PM
Larry Fitzgerald, who just set records for the most catches and receiving yards in NFL postseason history, went up to Todd Haley after the NFC Championship game and said "thanks for keeping your foot on my throat for two years".

Haley has had his foot on Dwayne Bowe's throat for two weeks. And people are already screaming "OKAY!!! THAT'S ENOUGH!!!"

pr_capone
08-15-2009, 10:30 PM
Larry Fitzgerald, who just set records for the most catches and receiving yards in NFL postseason history, went up to Todd Haley after the NFC Championship game and said "thanks for keeping your foot on my throat for two years".

Haley has had his foot on Dwayne Bowe's throat for two weeks. And people are already screaming "OKAY!!! THAT'S ENOUGH!!!"

:clap:

but... but...

HE HAS 2K YARDS IN 2 SEASONS!!! THERE CAN'T POSSIBLY BE ANYTHING WRONG WITH HIM!!! HE IS THE BESTEST EVAH!!!!

Douche Baggins
08-15-2009, 10:32 PM
Larry Fitzgerald, who just set records for the most catches and receiving yards in NFL postseason history, went up to Todd Haley after the NFC Championship game and said "thanks for keeping your foot on my throat for two years".

Haley has had his foot on Dwayne Bowe's throat for two weeks. And people are already screaming "OKAY!!! THAT'S ENOUGH!!!"

You can keep your foot on a guy's throat and NOT BENCH HIM IN PRESEASON.

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 10:36 PM
Larry Fitzgerald, who just set records for the most catches and receiving yards in NFL postseason history, went up to Todd Haley after the NFC Championship game and said "thanks for keeping your foot on my throat for two years".

Haley has had his foot on Dwayne Bowe's throat for two weeks. And people are already screaming "OKAY!!! THAT'S ENOUGH!!!"


Shhhhh Crayton in Dallas hates Haley..... Nevermind Boldin would come here..... Listen, if Bowe gets butt hurt over this, then Haley did the Chiefs a favor. From watching Bowe tonight, it appears the message was received..

pr_capone
08-15-2009, 10:37 PM
You can keep your foot on a guy's throat and NOT BENCH HIM IN PRESEASON.

Have you had success coaching in the NFL?

Have you had success coaching football at ANY level?

STFU and let the man do his job.

Haley wipes his ass with the articles you write for WPI.

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 10:37 PM
You can keep your foot on a guy's throat and NOT BENCH HIM IN PRESEASON.


Yeah since Detroit went 4-0 last year in the preseason.... its that important...

LaChapelle
08-15-2009, 10:39 PM
All that matters is how it comes out in the wash. Bowe looked skidmark free.

Douche Baggins
08-15-2009, 10:39 PM
Haley wipes his ass with the articles you write for WPI.

Now THAT'S insider access.

KcMizzou
08-15-2009, 10:39 PM
All that matters is how it comes out in the wash. Bowe looked skidmark free.Indeed.

UsualSuspects
08-15-2009, 10:40 PM
It wasn't Haley. It was Pioli.

I am giving credit to DT, myself.

Reminded me of his most memorable picture tonight for some reason.

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 10:40 PM
For fucks sake..... it was a preseason game. Bowe performed.... its part of earning the spot. Bowe has unlimited potential. But he has to work at it..... its the message that Haley is sending....... god forbid Haley make a player from a 6-26 team the last 2 yrs actually earn a spot.......

Tiger's Fan
08-15-2009, 10:46 PM
That was one of the most brutal disintegration of talent I've ever seen in football. Morton was solid in Detroit. To this day I wonder what happened when he got to KC...

He had Herman Moore on the other side in Detroit.

Terribilis
08-15-2009, 10:49 PM
That was one of the most brutal disintegration of talent I've ever seen in football. Morton was solid in Detroit. To this day I wonder what happened when he got to KC...

I choose to remember Morton by his awesome boxing career.

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 10:49 PM
Alvin Harper anyone?

Ugly Duck
08-15-2009, 10:51 PM
No freakin way should Bowe start... KC needs to keep that prima donna malcontent on the bench as much as possible. The more he sits, the better your team will be....

Slainte
08-15-2009, 10:54 PM
I choose to remember Morton by his awesome boxing career.

Me too, now.

http://www.rafu.com/images/One_Done1.jpg

KcMizzou
08-15-2009, 11:03 PM
No freakin way should Bowe start... KC needs to keep that prima donna malcontent on the bench as much as possible. The more he sits, the better your team will be....Heheh.

keg in kc
08-15-2009, 11:36 PM
No shit. This is all just about motivation. Anyone who thinks Bowe won't be starting come week 1, is a moron.No shit. Talk about much to do about nothing.

Hell, he's probably starting Monday. When the head coach praises your practicing for the two days leading up to the game, and then you catch 5 for 70, you're probably on your way out of the doghouse.

Mission accomplished. Haley got through to him.

Although maybe he should let it ride a few more days before he takes the pressure off. Make sure he stays focused.

Dude has the talent to be a really good receiver. And his head coach is challenging him, trying to get that out of him. And people are complaining.

Boggles the mind. Kansas frikkin' City. Maybe we should bring Herm back, have some more buddy buddy coaching on the sideline, or maybe have Dicky V invite the team over for a wine tasting.

Mr. Kotter
08-15-2009, 11:39 PM
Quit your whining....come REGULAR season...he will start.

He really needs to know, though, that he CAN....be better, than he is. :hmmm:

morphius
08-15-2009, 11:44 PM
No shit. Talk about much to do about nothing.

Hell, he's probably starting Monday. When the head coach praises your practicing for the two days leading up to the game, and then you catch 5 for 70, you're probably on your way out of the doghouse.

Mission accomplished. Haley got through to him.

Although maybe he should let it ride a few more days before he takes the pressure off. Make sure he stays focused.

Dude has the talent to be a really good receiver. And his head coach is challenging him, trying to get that out of him. And people are complaining.

Boggles the mind. Kansas frikkin' City. Maybe we should bring Herm back, have some more buddy buddy coaching on the sideline, or maybe have Dicky V invite the team over for a wine tasting.
But is cost us a chance to win a preseason game! [/sarcasm]

We need Bowe to step it up to the next level, and any method that gets him to put in the work that guys like Rice and Fitzgerald put in the better for all of us Chiefs fans.

wazu
08-15-2009, 11:46 PM
Honestly, the more interesting debate is why Mark Bradley isn't in the second spot.

Tiger's Fan
08-15-2009, 11:49 PM
Honestly, the more interesting debate is why Mark Bradley isn't in the second spot.

Probably for the same pass dropping reasons.

Douche Baggins
08-15-2009, 11:50 PM
Honestly, the more interesting debate is why Mark Bradley isn't in the second spot.

Devard Darling will blow up with Bowe drawing coverage. That's all he needs.

Douche Baggins
08-15-2009, 11:52 PM
Dude has the talent to be a really good receiver. And his head coach is challenging him, trying to get that out of him. And people are complaining.


Letting him play against weak competition is challenging him?

A challenge would be letting Bowe fix the suck that is currently our first-team offense.

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 11:52 PM
Devard Darling will blow up with Bowe drawing coverage. That's all he needs.


exactly Darlings problem.... he needs someone else to make him a threat.

Douche Baggins
08-15-2009, 11:54 PM
exactly Darlings problem.... he needs someone else to make him a threat.

Alvin Harper anyone?

Chocolate Hog
08-15-2009, 11:54 PM
Devard Darling will blow up with Bowe drawing coverage. That's all he needs.

Darling sucks

Slainte
08-15-2009, 11:56 PM
exactly Darlings problem.... he needs someone else to make him a threat.

No. He just needs to blow up.


By which I mean explode.












Into a million pieces. So's he's not on the Chiefs' roster anymore...

keg in kc
08-15-2009, 11:56 PM
Letting him play against weak competition is challenging him?It's a challenge to his ego. Playing with the second team is a slap in the face. And it's a way of saying, not just to bowe, but to the entire team, that you have to earn your spot; nothing is handed to you, no matter who you are.

He did the same thing with Dorsey.

The results tonight prove the method.

wazu
08-15-2009, 11:58 PM
Letting him play against weak competition is challenging him?

A challenge would be letting Bowe fix the suck that is currently our first-team offense.

The only way he'll be able to meet that challenge will be through hard work. Haley is doing a masterful job. Leadership isn't easy. Bowe is already responding positively, and will be a better player because of it.

Douche Baggins
08-15-2009, 11:58 PM
It's a challenge to his ego. Playing with the second team is a slap in the face. And it's a way of saying, not just to bowe, but to the entire team, that you have to earn your spot; nothing is handed to you, no matter who you are.

He did the same thing with Dorsey.

The results tonight prove the method.

Or maybe Bowe would have kicked ass anyway. You think he LIKES dropping passes? You think he LIKES the reputation he earned last year?

The smart money says he would have made just as many plays for Cassel as he did for Croyle. He's not a lazy receiver.

ArrowheadMagic
08-15-2009, 11:59 PM
Alvin Harper anyone?

Only thing is... Alvin Harper actually produced..... Darling.... with Bowe and Gonzo drawing coverage .... not so much..... If a HOF TE and a top 10 WR cant draw enough coverage away from you to be a contributor. Then you're probably not one.

Douche Baggins
08-16-2009, 12:00 AM
It was a joke, silly dilly.

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2009, 12:00 AM
Or maybe Bowe would have kicked ass anyway. You think he LIKES dropping passes? You think he LIKES the reputation he earned last year?

The smart money says he would have made just as many plays for Cassel as he did for Croyle. He's not a lazy receiver.

Claythan you are kinda a cry baby when it comes to the Bowe subject. You wanan bitch about LJ not playing enough either?

Douche Baggins
08-16-2009, 12:01 AM
Claythan you are kinda a cry baby when it comes to the Bowe subject. You wanan bitch about LJ not playing enough either?

No? I expected LJ to get one series and that's what he got.

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2009, 12:03 AM
No? I expected LJ to get one series and that's what he got.

You didn't think Haley would make Bowe an example? You talk about the chemistry between Bowe & Cassel so do you know if they worked together in the off-season thats usually where chemistry is built. Everyone should have seen this coming when the Chiefs hired Haley. Bowe wasn't a focused football player.

Douche Baggins
08-16-2009, 12:08 AM
You didn't think Haley would make Bowe an example? You talk about the chemistry between Bowe & Cassel so do you know if they worked together in the off-season thats usually where chemistry is built. Everyone should have seen this coming when the Chiefs hired Haley. Bowe wasn't a focused football player.

He proved his focus and work ethic when he dropped 30 fucking pounds.

Christ.

I've suckled at the teat 'o Haley before but this is taking it too far. These guys do have monstrous egos and I think his is getting in way. We'll see next week for sure.

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2009, 12:11 AM
He proved his focus and work ethic when he dropped 30 ****ing pounds.

Christ.

I've suckled at the teat 'o Haley before but this is taking it too far. These guys do have monstrous egos and I think his is getting in way. We'll see next week for sure.

Who gives a fuck how much weight he's lost its about what you do on the field. Chiefs fans should have known this. Tell me are you just playing this up to get subscribers to Warpaint? This really isn't a story.

Douche Baggins
08-16-2009, 12:12 AM
Who gives a fuck how much weight he's lost its about what you do on the field. Chiefs fans should have known this. Tell me are you just playing this up to get subscribers to Warpaint? This really isn't a story.

The story of the game was Dwayne Bowe ripping shit up.

If Haley benches him again, it will be criminal.

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2009, 12:14 AM
The story of the game was Dwayne Bowe ripping shit up.

If Haley benches him again, it will be criminal.

Really? Like i've said it wouldn't have matter that much except maybe Bowe catches the ball that Copper should have caught. The o-line wasn't that great and Cassel couldn't hold onto the ball and make plays like he did in New England.

ArrowheadMagic
08-16-2009, 12:16 AM
it wasnt the lbs dropped...it was the passes. its not his hands dropping them...its concentration. making the move before the catch.maybe its not giving total effort in practice.

UsualSuspects
08-16-2009, 12:16 AM
He is no DVD, For shure!

keg in kc
08-16-2009, 12:17 AM
Or maybe Bowe would have kicked ass anyway. You think he LIKES dropping passes? You think he LIKES the reputation he earned last year?

The smart money says he would have made just as many plays for Cassel as he did for Croyle. He's not a lazy receiver.You can deal in fantasy. I'll deal in reality. Bowe was dropped to second team. Bowe began to practice with more intensity. Bowe played well. It worked. End of story.

Douche Baggins
08-16-2009, 12:19 AM
You know, it's not like Bowe hasn't made similar catches in the past.

I think he would have played well regardless.

KcMizzou
08-16-2009, 12:31 AM
You know, it's not like Bowe hasn't made similar catches in the past.

I think he would have played well regardless.True.

Bowe was pretty damned good before... but Haley can only make him better. Sure as hell won't make him worse.

milkman
08-16-2009, 06:21 AM
Have you had success coaching in the NFL?

Have you had success coaching football at ANY level?

STFU and let the man do his job.

Haley wipes his ass with the articles you write for WPI.

Why would Haley wipe his shit with stupid shit?

tomahawk kid
08-16-2009, 06:46 AM
You know what I noticed?

Bowe didn't drop one pass last night, and he went after the ball and yards after the catch like a rabid dog.

I would argue Haley's approach to the situation is having the desired results.....

milkman
08-16-2009, 06:48 AM
Or maybe Bowe would have kicked ass anyway. You think he LIKES dropping passes? You think he LIKES the reputation he earned last year?

The smart money says he would have made just as many plays for Cassel as he did for Croyle. He's not a lazy receiver.

He didn't earn tht reputatuion last year.

He earned that reputation at LSU, and has continued to earn it through his first two years with the Cheifs.

Bowe has always had concentration issues.

Maybe he isn't a good practice player?

There are numerous guys like that, that are shit in practice but are great in games.

I can't speak to what kind of practice player, but as you yourself have pointed out numerous times, he has always had the dropsies, so this isn't a practice issue.

Haley is challenging him to concentrate.

There's no guarantee that it'll work, but this may well be the first time that Bowe has been challenged in this manner since high school.

There's no question that Bowe is far and awy the best receiver on this roster, and he has shown time and again that when he concentrates on making the catch that he has great hands, and there is absolutely no reason that those hands shouldn't be reliable on routine catches.

That is what Haley is trying to get from Bowe.

One other point.

You really lose objectivity when it involves your favorite players.

Inspecta101
08-16-2009, 08:43 AM
Bowe and Mark Bradley should be the starters, Never really cared for Darling always seemed a bit overrated he would make a good back up....

KCChiefsFan88
08-16-2009, 08:47 AM
Last night was just a glimpse into the reality that is Pioli not doing enough to upgrade the talent around Cassel this offseason. I'm not suggesting he would have come in and become the WR he was a few years ago... but having Torry Holt in this offense, starting opposite Dwayne Bowe with Engram and Toomer as #3 and #4 WRs would be a lot better than the garbage the Chiefs started the game with last night.

If you are going to give a $60+ million contract to Cassel at least give him the weapons to succeed.

beach tribe
08-16-2009, 08:48 AM
Bowe and Mark Bradley should be the starters, Never really cared for Darling always seemed a bit overrated he would make a good back up....

The cream will rise to the top, and Bowe, and Bradley are the only cream we've got.

milkman
08-16-2009, 08:53 AM
Last night was just a glimpse into the reality that is Pioli not doing enough to upgrade the talent around Cassel this offseason. I'm not suggesting he would have come in and become the WR he was a few years ago... but having Torry Holt in this offense, starting opposite Dwayne Bowe with Engram and Toomer as #3 and #4 WRs would be a lot better than the garbage the Chiefs started the game with last night.

If you are going to give a $60+ million contract to Cassel at least give him the weapons to succeed.

Holt's knees are shot to hell.

He won't last the season.

DTLB58
08-16-2009, 09:12 AM
This article is one game to soon.

If Bowe dosen't start next week then go for it, right now we all knew why Haley did what he did and it appears it worked.

Reading this now is like DUH! :doh!:

cabletech94
08-16-2009, 10:25 AM
Here's my Master of the Obvious prediction:

D Bowe will be starting for this WR corps. First team. Write it down. Championship.

Just a hunch.