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Direckshun
08-16-2009, 09:19 PM
Got beat every single play.

I just went back and watched every snap he took earlier today.

Every. Single. Play.

Meanwhile, Brian Waters is still kicking asses on the left side of the line.

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 09:30 PM
Wow, I saw a couple bad plays but didn't realize it was every one.

Did he get any push in the running game?

re: Brian Waters, it's kind of funny how he's become a complete non issue.

aturnis
08-16-2009, 09:31 PM
re-watch it via nfl game rewind or?

Buehler445
08-16-2009, 09:32 PM
Wow, I saw a couple bad plays but didn't realize it was every one.

Did he get any push in the running game?

re: Brian Waters, it's fucking good and necessary how he's become a complete non issue.

Fixed.

Disappointed about Goff :shake:

Direckshun
08-16-2009, 09:33 PM
re-watch it via nfl game rewind or?

DVR.

Direckshun
08-16-2009, 09:34 PM
Wow, I saw a couple bad plays but didn't realize it was every one.

Did he get any push in the running game?

re: Brian Waters, it's kind of funny how he's become a complete non issue.

Not that I saw. Several times he got stuck in no-man's land, too, unable to find a guy to lay a hit on.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-16-2009, 09:34 PM
Wow, I saw a couple bad plays but didn't realize it was every one.

Did he get any push in the running game?

re: Brian Waters, it's kind of funny how he's become a complete non issue.
Yea i noticed that our Captains for the coin flip were the 2 guys that were no shows at the mini camps Vrabel and waters.

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 09:35 PM
Not that I saw. Several times he got stuck in no-man's land, too, unable to find a guy to lay a hit on.

That's bad. Let's hope he's not the second coming of John Welbourn.

Coogs
08-16-2009, 09:38 PM
Just watched the first series. He didn't look all that bad. :shrug:

Now on the play a series or two later when Battle gets drilled in the backfield... yes he got beat bad on that one.

DaneMcCloud
08-16-2009, 09:40 PM
He fucking blows.

If Brown continues to ascend (he played well), he should be the starter.

Direckshun
08-16-2009, 09:45 PM
He ****ing blows.

If Brown continues to ascend (he played well), he should be the starter.

He played quite well.

Mecca
08-16-2009, 09:47 PM
That's bad. Let's hope he's not the second coming of John Welbourn.

Well you know there is likely a reason San Diego got rid of him...

DaneMcCloud
08-16-2009, 09:48 PM
He played quite well.

He did play quite well and didn't play as "tall" as I expected him to at 6'7.

Daryl Harris also played very well. He's a keeper.

Coogs
08-16-2009, 09:48 PM
1st play he pulls and gets a piece of Mario Williams, but Williams gets in on the tackle.
2nd play he locks onto Okoye and does a pretty fair job on a draw to LJ.
3rd play pass blocks Okoye... pass completed for 1st down.
4th play goes down field and gets a nice block on #34 on a sweep left by LJ
5th play helps Niswanger and then slides off and picks up #52 and keeps him at bay.
6th play pass blocks Okoye again on dropped pass to end series.

Mabye not a HOF highlight reel, but hardly got beat on every single play.

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 09:50 PM
Well well well...it seems we have dissenting opinions.

Do we need gifs?

Pitt Gorilla
08-16-2009, 09:55 PM
Well well well...it seems we have dissenting opinions.

Do we need gifs?Get to it.

Dave Lane
08-16-2009, 09:56 PM
I'm thinking we do. Go get em Goatcheese

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 10:26 PM
Direckshun is talking out his ass.

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 10:49 PM
Preliminary analysis: Was Goff All-Pro? No way. Was he adequate? Yes. Did he get beat really badly once or twice? Definitely. Gifs coming.

chiefbowe82
08-16-2009, 10:50 PM
Our offensive line as a whole looked like shit

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 10:58 PM
Our offensive line as a whole looked like shit

They weren't as shitty as the receivers.

Cassel wasn't sacked and their were holes in the running game. It wasn't horrible for a first preseason outing. I would have liked to have seen what LJ could have done with the holes Battle got.

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 11:09 PM
Well there's no question play 1 is a pile of suck. Goff pulls and bounces off a defensive end, who brings down LJ. Sackintosh also contributes to the pile of suck. Poor LJ. In Goff's defense, it IS Mario Williams.

http://i25.tinypic.com/8x36ur.gif

chiefbowe82
08-16-2009, 11:14 PM
OWNED

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 11:19 PM
Play 2: Goff does a nice job keeping his man away from the ball. This would have gone for a nice gain if Mike Cox hadn't gotten blown up by a linebacker.

http://i30.tinypic.com/24g5z7q.gif

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2009, 11:21 PM
Play 2: Goff does a nice job keeping his man away from the ball. This would have gone for a nice gain if Mike Cox hadn't gotten blown up by a linebacker.

http://i30.tinypic.com/24g5z7q.gif

Mike Cox sucks

Just Passin' By
08-16-2009, 11:21 PM
Play 2: Goff does a nice job keeping his man away from the ball. This would have gone for a nice gain if Mike Cox hadn't gotten blown up by a linebacker.


So "Every. Single. Play." lasted one play?

CoMoChief
08-16-2009, 11:22 PM
From what I hear Colin Brown has been playing well at RG.

I'm sure whoever plays the best will earn the spot.

Man fixing the rt side of the Oline would be HUGE if someone can take McIntosh's place.

I also miss TRich. Is he still with NYJ? Man I wish he was still a Chief.

Mecca
08-16-2009, 11:22 PM
Damn, did any of the Texans starting LB's even play?

I know Cushing didn't but I didn't think I saw Ryans out there either.

cdcox
08-16-2009, 11:22 PM
Mike Cox is ohfertwo as the lead blocker.

chiefbowe82
08-16-2009, 11:23 PM
damnit cox

Mecca
08-16-2009, 11:24 PM
Lets draft Stanley Havili!

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 11:26 PM
Play 3: We are treated to the end zone camera angle and Goff's outstanding pass protection, as Cassel hits Copper for a first down. Also note Cassel checking off the middle of the field coverage, nice read.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2lj6mue.gif

KCDC
08-16-2009, 11:28 PM
Thanks for the clips GoChiefs.

chiefbowe82
08-16-2009, 11:29 PM
yup enjoying them

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 11:30 PM
Play 4: Goff's assignment is to take out someone on the backside of the play. I guess it'd be nice if he could put the safety on his ass but, alas. Anyway, he hardly gets "beat." It would have been nice to see what Goff did if LJ had gotten to the second level.

http://i25.tinypic.com/2agt0li.gif

chiefbowe82
08-16-2009, 11:32 PM
look at albert whiff

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 11:34 PM
Play 5: Goff does a very nice job smacking a defensive tackle before engaging a linebacker. If MIKE FUCKING COX doesn't get bitched again and let his man tackle LJ's ankles, Goff springs LJ for a gain into the secondary.

Actually, upon further review D-Mac's epic suckage doesn't help Cox out as he is forced to block Mario Williams.

http://i27.tinypic.com/6tpqth.gif

Mecca
08-16-2009, 11:36 PM
These videos show that Mike Cox is a bum.

chiefbowe82
08-16-2009, 11:36 PM
i'm convinced we need a new FB

cdcox
08-16-2009, 11:38 PM
These videos show that Mike Cox is a bum.

"game film" -- We're breaking down game film. :D

Mecca
08-16-2009, 11:40 PM
Obviously we need to use a draft pick on Stanley Havili next year.

cdcox
08-16-2009, 11:40 PM
What's funny is that Haley always runs out of a 2-back set. We could put Herb Taylor in as FB and it wouldn't decrease the deception level.

chiefbowe82
08-16-2009, 11:41 PM
What's funny is that Haley always runs out of a 2-back set. We could put Herb Taylor in as FB and it wouldn't decrease the deception level.

it's all vanilla ice cream right now

cdcox
08-16-2009, 11:42 PM
Obviously we need to use a draft pick on Stanley Havili next year.

Terrence Cody is a mean lead blocker. Two way player, FTW.

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 11:43 PM
Play 6: Nothing wrong with this pass pro. Copper drops the ball. If you look closely you see Cassel turning his head, going through reads.

http://i25.tinypic.com/21djubd.gif

Mecca
08-16-2009, 11:45 PM
Terrence Cody is a mean lead blocker. Two way player, FTW.

I'm usually not in favor of drafting FB's, but when one is this athletic I make an exception...

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I'd say he's worth a mid round pick.

chiefbowe82
08-16-2009, 11:45 PM
but but but..he got beat every single play

Mecca
08-16-2009, 11:45 PM
Did Cassel throw any passes out of a under center formation?

cdcox
08-16-2009, 11:47 PM
it's all vanilla ice cream right now

I looked at the stats for Arizona last season. They lined up in a 2-back set over 80 times and never threw a single pass.

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 11:47 PM
Play 7: I think Goff helps McIntosh and then looks for someone else to hit. He looks a little lost in no-man's land, as Direckshun stated. I say: WHO GIVES A SHIT, when Waters destroys a DT like that. Nice run.

http://i32.tinypic.com/15egv0g.gif

Tiger's Fan
08-16-2009, 11:48 PM
Proof that people don't know what the hell they're watching. Thanx Clay.

Mecca
08-16-2009, 11:48 PM
I looked at the stats for Arizona last season. They lined up in a 2-back set over 80 times and never threw a single pass.

That's pretty horrible, you would think a NFL coach would realize that you want a 50/50 blend in playcalling for sets. Other than shotgun which is an obvious passing formation.

cdcox
08-16-2009, 11:49 PM
Did Cassel throw any passes out of a under center formation?

Two, both incomplete.

Mecca
08-16-2009, 11:51 PM
I honestly wonder if the Chiefs are going to run with a ton of shotgun or try to let him develop under center this year.

His splits last year in those categories are pretty wide so if they go with the under center approach there could be some growing pains.

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 11:52 PM
Play 8: Goff gets bitched like Farrah Fawcett. I'm trying to figure out how the combined weight of Goff and the DT didn't bring Battle down. That is one tough sumbitch RB.

http://i28.tinypic.com/350ngpu.gif

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 11:53 PM
Two, both incomplete.

To be fair, one was dropped. The other one, he was getting his skull slapped by a DT.

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 11:54 PM
I honestly wonder if the Chiefs are going to run with a ton of shotgun or try to let him develop under center this year.

His splits last year in those categories are pretty wide so if they go with the under center approach there could be some growing pains.

Where are these stats located?

Count Zarth
08-16-2009, 11:58 PM
Play 9: I wouldn't call this a bad play by Goff. His head is turned and suddenly there's a DE right in his face. Tough to block a guy in that situation. I'd call it a great play by the DE, recognizing the slip screen and halting his pass rush quickly to blow up the play.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2ef6bft.gif

cdcox
08-16-2009, 11:59 PM
I honestly wonder if the Chiefs are going to run with a ton of shotgun or try to let him develop under center this year.

His splits last year in those categories are pretty wide so if they go with the under center approach there could be some growing pains.

Warner's passes were about 55/45 out of lone-set-back/shotgun formations. I think we'll see something similar.

Everything I see from Haley indicates that his offense is more about execution than deception.

cdcox
08-17-2009, 12:00 AM
Where are these stats located?

ESPN. Bring up the player stats, then go to "splits".

Mecca
08-17-2009, 12:02 AM
It also speaks to it when Cassel performed better at the end of last season when NE was exclusively going shotgun to pass.

The ESPN split stats do speak to him having problems with the deep ball.

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 12:03 AM
ESPN. Bring up the player stats, then go to "splits".

Yeah I'm on that page, but don't see it. I-Formation has no stats, for instance.

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 12:04 AM
Play 10: Mike Goff is a damned fine professional football player on this play. Rudy Niswanger gets beaten like one of LJ's girlfriends and makes Cassel jumpy.

http://i28.tinypic.com/ehdxdf.gif

cdcox
08-17-2009, 12:07 AM
Yeah I'm on that page, but don't see it. I-Formation has no stats, for instance.

If you are looking for Warner pass attempts, you won't find them, because Warner didn't throw from the I. But you will find Hightower rushing stats.

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 12:08 AM
Play 11: End-zone camera is back! My favorite. Coaches are so lucky. Anyway, Goff does an OUTSTANDING job of sealing the backside on this play, taking out two guys basically. Big gain. Niswanger does a good job.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2h5o4zs.gif

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 12:09 AM
If you are looking for Warner pass attempts, you won't find them, because Warner didn't throw from the I. But you will find Hightower rushing stats.

I'm looking for Cassel's under-center stats. Mecca claims they are public. All I see is

cdcox
08-17-2009, 12:11 AM
Cassel 2008



BY OFFENSIVE FORMATION CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
Shotgun 261 405 2838 64.4 7.01 66 17 9 0.0 89.7 0 0 0.0 0 0
Backs Split 0 0 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 4 4.0 4 0
I-Formation 0 0 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 6 21 3.5 10 0
Lone Setback 264 409 2936 64.5 7.18 66 16 9 39.0 89.7 58 222 3.8 19 1

cdcox
08-17-2009, 12:12 AM
Whoa! When did "code" get the ability to window the stats! That is awesome. Columns are still messed up though.

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 12:13 AM
Play 12: End-zone camera forever! Goff does his job. Jackie Battle and Rudy Niswanger do not. Goff gives Niswanger a little help. D-Mac knocks the shit out of a DT in an attempt to impress Dane McCloud.

http://i30.tinypic.com/5efn7s.gif

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 12:14 AM
Cassel 2008



BY OFFENSIVE FORMATION CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
Shotgun 261 405 2838 64.4 7.01 66 17 9 0.0 89.7 0 0 0.0 0 0
Backs Split 0 0 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 4 4.0 4 0
I-Formation 0 0 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 6 21 3.5 10 0
Lone Setback 264 409 2936 64.5 7.18 66 16 9 39.0 89.7 58 222 3.8 19 1



Ah, I found that. I guess we have to do the math on our own to determine his under-center stats? Someone want to take care of it?

cdcox
08-17-2009, 12:16 AM
Ah, I found that. I guess we have to do the math on our own to determine his under-center stats? Someone want to take care of it?

Well, in this case, that would be the lone set back stats (without any math).

Edit: Okay, I see what you mean. Some of the shotgun snaps are also lone setback snaps, I think.

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 12:18 AM
Play 13: Goff gets decent push. His man makes the tackle after a five-yard gain. I'll take a five-yard gain. Battle rolls up Niswanger's leg in his campaign to get Eric Ghiaciuc in the game.

http://i30.tinypic.com/303igjl.gif

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 12:18 AM
Well, in this case, that would be the lone set back stats (without any math).

Cassel didn't throw 800 passes last year.

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 12:24 AM
Play 14: Goff gets decent push again. The whole O-line gets decent push. If Battle puts a move on the unblocked LB he gains huge yardage.

http://i25.tinypic.com/w14tqa.gif

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 12:27 AM
Play 15: Absolutely great pass protection by Goff. Strong legs, stands his man up. Chiefs get a first down. Go Goff, go!

http://i29.tinypic.com/19vw2v.gif


Final Verdict: Goff is better than Adrian Jones. Direckshun is wrong. Haters gonna hate. Rudy Niswanger and Mike Cox kinda suck.

Direckshun
08-17-2009, 01:16 AM
I'm loving the endzone view. That additional view on two or three occasions proved me wrong when it seemed from the TV angle that Goff was getting beat. But you're also putting a positive spin on things -- such as claiming Goff got "decent push" on a DLmen a couple posts ago, when you can clearly see he doesn't knock him back a single yard.

But I still see a guy struggling to get through a quarter of play, though I do see a couple solid downs, particularly in pass protection, where Goff is an upgrade over Jones and Welbourne -- but I'm pretty sure I'd be an upgrade over Jones and Welbourne.

It's not just Cox, by the way, who played himself off this team last week. Sean Ryan put in a dreadful performance blocking at TE.

Thanks for the awesome gifs.

Swazey
08-17-2009, 01:29 AM
Got beat every single play.

I just went back and watched every snap he took earlier today.

Every. Single. Play.

Meanwhile, Brian Waters is still kicking asses on the left side of the line.

W. Smith/A. Jones/J. Welbourne <<< Goff

Jethopper
08-17-2009, 01:42 AM
Wow, thank you for the low FBIQ. Goff had a pancake + one play where he drove his man 5 yards back one on one. thank you for proving you have never played the game before.

Swazey
08-17-2009, 01:51 AM
Wow, thank you for the low FBIQ. Goff had a pancake + one play where he drove his man 5 yards back one on one. thank you for proving you have never played the game before.

HA! Hey F.A.G.... My dick >>>>> Jethopper's existence.

BigRock
08-17-2009, 04:45 AM
I'm looking for Cassel's under-center stats. Mecca claims they are public. All I see is

Gretz posted these about a month ago:

Shotgun:


QB Att Cmp Yards % Yds/Att TD INT Sacked Rating
Cassel 405 261 2,838 64.4 7.0 17 9 31 89.7

Under center:


QB Att Cmp Yards % Yds/Att TD INT Sacked Rating
Cassel 111 66 855 59.5 7.7 4 2 16 88.2

Pablo
08-17-2009, 04:54 AM
Gretz posted these about a month ago:

Shotgun:


QB Att Cmp Yards % Yds/Att TD INT Sacked Rating
Cassel 405 261 2,838 64.4 7.0 17 9 31 89.7

Under center:


QB Att Cmp Yards % Yds/Att TD INT Sacked Rating
Cassel 111 66 855 59.5 7.7 4 2 16 88.2Hrmm..the only number that really concerns me out of those two is the number of sacks he took working from under center. Damn, 14.4% of his attempts ended up in sacks.

Compared to 7.6% when in the shotgun. I wonder if that's a perfectly natural stat, or something of Cassel's doing. I suppose any time a QB lines up closer to the LOS he's automatically more susceptible to being sacked, and then you figure in the margin for error when dropping back, etc.

Someone who cares a little bit more than I do should dig up some stats from a couple other QB's to compare.

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 05:04 AM
If those numbers are something to worry about then we have a damned fine QB.

Chiefnj2
08-17-2009, 05:37 AM
Play 10: Mike Goff is a damned fine professional football player on this play. Rudy Niswanger gets beaten like one of LJ's girlfriends and makes Cassel jumpy.

http://i28.tinypic.com/ehdxdf.gif

Cassel had enough time to get rid of the ball. WR's couldn't get open.

Chiefnj2
08-17-2009, 05:39 AM
It looks like some of the criticism thrown at DMac is a little unwarranted as well. He gets beat on play 5, but isn't nearly as bad as some graded him during and on the replay of the game.

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 05:39 AM
Cassel had enough time to get rid of the ball. WR's couldn't get open.

Actually the replay indicated a ref held up Darling's route.

the Talking Can
08-17-2009, 06:16 AM
great thread

our OL has very little explosion

Jethopper
08-17-2009, 06:56 AM
HA! Hey F.A.G.... My dick >>>>> Jethopper's existence.

A well thought out and executed post. I bet any amount of money you have post high school education *wink*. Just a hunch....

DJ's left nut
08-17-2009, 08:15 AM
It looks like some of the criticism thrown at DMac is a little unwarranted as well. He gets beat on play 5, but isn't nearly as bad as some graded him during and on the replay of the game.

That's what I noticed as well.

Macintosh looked significantly better last season as the year went on. I chalked it up as being exclusively because of the switch in schemes. However, he looked like a completely competent RT out there tonight.

We may have an average O-line yet. If Niswanger can learn to play a little bit lower and if D-Mac can keep up what he did over the 2nd half of last season, I think we'll have a slighly above average unit. It's still below average in run blocking (as has been noted, there's very little initial burst), but it should do nicely in pass-pro.

KCUnited
08-17-2009, 08:21 AM
Tony Richardson 6-1 238
Jackie Battle 6-2 238

See ya, Cox.

J Diddy
08-17-2009, 08:31 AM
Cassel had enough time to get rid of the ball. WR's couldn't get open.


what the hell is up with niswangers olay shove towards the qb?

Chief Faithful
08-17-2009, 08:38 AM
Watching those gifs sure makes me miss Will Shields.

Mike Goff looks like the stop gap solution we was brought in to be. He is a little week in the legs and slow feet, but he is a huge upgrade over Jones and better than Smith.

I was encouraged by Colin Brown and hope he can develop into a solution, but right now I'm thinking he will just develop into solid depth.

Niswanger seems to still be developing and I know the guy is very bright so I still have hope. Richardson sure looked like a turd so I don't see any up and coming solution at RT. I guess McIntosh has to be the solution at RT for another year.

I'm thinking the Chiefs need to significantly upgrade the talent at RG and RT.

Buehler445
08-17-2009, 08:43 AM
Good shit in this thread as well as some others.

Football's back bitches!
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wasi
08-17-2009, 08:49 AM
Play 2: Goff does a nice job keeping his man away from the ball. This would have gone for a nice gain if Mike Cox hadn't gotten blown up by a linebacker.

http://i30.tinypic.com/24g5z7q.gif

In Cox's defense the LB here is Ryans.

DJ's left nut
08-17-2009, 08:53 AM
In Cox's defense the LB here is Ryans.

Fair point. Both guys had running starts and it's not like Cox got steamrolled, he just got stood up. Two very large men running at each other ended at a stalemate; shit happens.

Cox still isn't very good, but that was just a football play right there. Ryans is a great LBer with a strong base, he'll blow up a lot of FBs this year.

Chiefnj2
08-17-2009, 08:53 AM
Did the old Bengals center play any better than Rudy?

Mr. Krab
08-17-2009, 09:09 AM
Good thread. Seems that Goff is better at pass blocking that he at running blocking at this point. All our Olineman seem to lack explosion at the POA.

-King-
08-17-2009, 10:35 AM
Got beat every single play.

I just went back and watched every snap he took earlier today.

Every. Single. Play.

Meanwhile, Brian Waters is still kicking asses on the left side of the line.

Damn, what game were you watching? From the gifs Clay posted(Great job BTW Clay) he did more than a solid job.

orange
08-17-2009, 10:47 AM
Cassel had enough time to get rid of the ball. WR's couldn't get open.

Actually the replay indicated a ref held up Darling's route.

He had 26 WIDE open in the flat for a huge gain and Cassel never even glanced at him.

Don't blame Niswanger, Darling, or the ref for that play busting.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-17-2009, 10:48 AM
He had 26 WIDE open in the flat for a huge gain and Cassel never even glanced at him.

Don't blame Niswanger, Darling, or the ref for that play busting.

He totally missed his check down in that play.

DJ's left nut
08-17-2009, 11:03 AM
He totally missed his check down in that play.

Yup.

He's had a rep as someone that holds the ball too long, he hopped 3 times after his drop. He has to know that it's time to unload; instead he didn't even look to his checkdown.

That was on Cassel.

LOCOChief
08-17-2009, 11:15 AM
Goff is an upgrade over Jones and Welbourne -- but I'm pretty sure I'd be an upgrade over Jones and Welbourne.

.

:spock: Think so big boy? I'm pretty sure you would get your vag broke.

Anyway this thread is further proof you haven't got a clue here or in DC

smittysbar
08-17-2009, 03:23 PM
Got beat every single play.

I just went back and watched every snap he took earlier today.

Every. Single. Play.

Meanwhile, Brian Waters is still kicking asses on the left side of the line.

Wrong

TEX
08-17-2009, 05:29 PM
Watching those gifs sure makes me miss Will Shields.


I'm thinking the Chiefs need to significantly upgrade the talent at RG and RT.

That was needed after last season...The right side of the line is still twisted $hit.

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 05:31 PM
why are fans so content with guys like Mike Cox? Who cares who the LB was point is the dude sucks.

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 09:27 PM
Tony Richardson 6-1 238
Jackie Battle 6-2 238

See ya, Cox.

Just because you're big doesn't mean you can block effectively. Has Battle even played fullback before?

Besides, he has tailback skills. He needs the ball in his hands. If Larry isn't careful Battle may soon be my new boyfriend.

TRR
08-17-2009, 09:38 PM
Play 10: Mike Goff is a damned fine professional football player on this play. Rudy Niswanger gets beaten like one of LJ's girlfriends and makes Cassel jumpy.

http://i28.tinypic.com/ehdxdf.gif

I definitely would have loved to see Matt Cassel hit Jackie Battle hear with a little swing pass. Maybe it comes with experience...but this was the play I talked about in another thread. Watching it on DVR, it looks like Jackie Battle has 10-15 yards of room in front of him. Trent Green made a living with this.

TRR
08-17-2009, 09:40 PM
Play 2: Goff does a nice job keeping his man away from the ball. This would have gone for a nice gain if Mike Cox hadn't gotten blown up by a linebacker.

http://i30.tinypic.com/24g5z7q.gif

This was a DISTURBING play for me. I watched this play OVER and OVER on my DVR, and although we can't tell how deep the safeties are, if LJ cuts this back to the right, he has nothing but green in front of him with Copper #10 sealing the rest off. This run reminded me a lot of the 2008 LJ version. This should have been at least a 10 yard gain if he would have had the vision to cut it outside.

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 09:47 PM
I definitely would have loved to see Matt Cassel hit Jackie Battle hear with a little swing pass. Maybe it comes with experience...but this was the play I talked about in another thread. Watching it on DVR, it looks like Jackie Battle has 10-15 yards of room in front of him. Trent Green made a living with this.

Battle will need a block to get anywhere.

You can see the ref interfering with Darling here.

http://i25.tinypic.com/oksgue.jpg

TRR
08-17-2009, 10:13 PM
Battle will need a block to get anywhere.

You can see the ref interfering with Darling here.

http://i25.tinypic.com/oksgue.jpg

Good post...Still a lot more productive to have Jackie Battle make one LB miss rather than throw it right at the defensive lineman. Darling wouldn't have gotten much even if that pass was completed. I always like the swing out to the RB...especially a player of Battle's ability in the open field.

aturnis
08-17-2009, 10:14 PM
He totally missed his check down in that play.

"They don't throw check down's at Foxboro!" -Mike Vrabel

Buehler445
08-17-2009, 10:16 PM
Good post...Still a lot more productive to have Jackie Battle make one LB miss rather than throw it right at the defensive lineman. Darling wouldn't have gotten much even if that pass was completed. I always like the swing out to the RB...especially a player of Battle's ability in the open field.

This would have been a good place for a checkdown. Offenses built around checkdowns (I'm looking at you, Squirmin Herman) are not acceptable.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 10:23 PM
Goff still sucks.

If you can't run block at age 33, you fucking suck.

And the starting center, right guard and right tackle that played Saturday night, all fucking suck like hookers at a whore convention in Amsterdam.

Count Zarth
08-17-2009, 10:24 PM
Well, this is fun.

Next week we'll review Goff vs Williams Bros.

chiefbowe82
08-17-2009, 10:25 PM
Well, this is fun.

Next week we'll review Goff vs Williams Bros.

do dorsey in the other thread...

orange
08-17-2009, 10:28 PM
do dorsey in the other thread...

What's the magic word?

aturnis
08-17-2009, 10:45 PM
Goff still sucks.

If you can't run block at age 33, you ****ing suck.

And the starting center, right guard and right tackle that played Saturday night, all ****ing suck like hookers at a whore convention in Amsterdam.

Yep, we definitely need 3 new starters, no doubt. Hope at least one of them is already on the team though...