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Mr. Arrowhead
08-17-2009, 07:52 AM
according to Josh Looney twitter, but the best part is no more of Hermie buddy Jeff Webb

http://twitter.com/JoshLooney
Early Morning Transaction: Chiefs sign WR Ashley Lelie, release WR Jeff Webb

chiefforlife
08-17-2009, 07:53 AM
He has to be an upgrade over Webb.

HemiEd
08-17-2009, 07:54 AM
Getting rid of one POS for another POS.

MVChiefFan
08-17-2009, 07:54 AM
according to Josh Looney twitter, but the best part is no more of Hermie buddy Jeff Webb

http://twitter.com/JoshLooney

One more turd to play dropsies with Cassel while Bowe, Bradley and Toomer sit on the bench and wait for Brokie to come in. YAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!

Messier
08-17-2009, 07:59 AM
I agree we need more wr's but I wish they would start bringing in o-line vets.

Slainte
08-17-2009, 08:01 AM
Not exciting.

gblowfish
08-17-2009, 08:01 AM
Denver should enjoy kicking his ass around the field....

Cave Johnson
08-17-2009, 08:02 AM
Wonder if this is related to Engram and Toomer not distinguishing themselves.....

dirk digler
08-17-2009, 08:02 AM
Getting rid of one POS for another POS.

Pretty much

Buehler445
08-17-2009, 08:02 AM
I agree we need more wr's but I wish they would start bringing in o-line vets.

There probably isn't anything good out there until roster cutdowns.
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MGRS13
08-17-2009, 08:05 AM
wow one more guy to cut in three weeks.

Reerun_KC
08-17-2009, 08:05 AM
One more turd to play dropsies with Cassel while Bowe, Bradley and Toomer sit on the bench and wait for Brokie to come in. YAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!

Probably a good thing you cant watch regular practices...
:rolleyes:

Reerun_KC
08-17-2009, 08:07 AM
There probably isn't anything good out there until roster cutdowns.
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Even if then... Unless it is a vet cap player.... Then maybe, but doubt there will be any younger players worth a shit out there...

Micjones
08-17-2009, 08:07 AM
Saw this coming.

Don't mind the signing one bit.

pr_capone
08-17-2009, 08:08 AM
Kennison pt2.

Donx/Faider version.

To the inflatable raft!

morphius
08-17-2009, 08:09 AM
Oh goodie, I never was a fan of Webb, but only liked Lelie because he was a flop for Denver. Most likely just camp fodder.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-17-2009, 08:10 AM
He's an upgrade over Webb. How big? We'll see.

Direckshun
08-17-2009, 08:10 AM
Yeah, just a body and a pair of legs.

Buehler445
08-17-2009, 08:14 AM
I seriously doubt this will amount to much. We'll see what else comes down the pike
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The Bad Guy
08-17-2009, 08:15 AM
This is a nightmare. Why in the hell didn't Haley or Pioli realize from watching tape that the WRs on this team outside of Bowe were awful?

Chief Faithful
08-17-2009, 08:15 AM
Ashley Lelie is definately an upgrade. JWebb was good on special teams, but was a waste of a body on the field. Lelie at least can make a play once in a while.

I'm glad we have a HC that is so knowledgeable and passionate about the position. I fully expect to see a lot of changes at the WR position over the next two years.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-17-2009, 08:17 AM
BTW, this was confirmed on NFL Mobile from Sprint. The only link I've seen is the twitter link in the OP.

wild1
08-17-2009, 08:18 AM
I saw him play a lot of games in college, and I did like him coming out - not 1st round like, but I thought he would make it. The guy is 30 now, and washed out with 3 teams in 3 years, Atlanta, SF and Oakland. Something is wrong with him if given his first-day talent he can't stick on those horrible teams. It's hard to expect that he would stick here either, with half a training camp to prove himself

CoMoChief
08-17-2009, 08:18 AM
JFC. While we're at it let's try and sign Charles Rogers

chiefforlife
08-17-2009, 08:19 AM
I would rather have the 6'6"speedster Matt Jones!

Mr. Arrowhead
08-17-2009, 08:20 AM
I would rather have the 6'6"speedster Matt Jones!

and his coke?

the Talking Can
08-17-2009, 08:21 AM
eh, no risk....the bottom of the roster will churn constantly under halioli..

SenselessChiefsFan
08-17-2009, 08:30 AM
Lelie has a ton of talent. DV loved him coming out of the draft.

In some respects, he is similar to Bowe. Now, I think Bowe has lived up to his talent more than Lelie, but both have underachieved, and both had problems with dropped passes.

Lelie should know that this is his last shot for all practical purposes. Lelie should know that Haley is a hard a$$ and this will not be easy.

I am sure that Haley made that clear, if he didn't know.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Lelie resurrect his career similar to the way that Kennison did when he got to the Chiefs.

We'll see what happens, but it certainly can't hurt.

Von Dumbass
08-17-2009, 08:34 AM
I have a feeling Polio will be rummaging through McDaniels scraps at the WR position. Brandon Lloyd, Chad Jackson, and Nate Swift are longshots to make the Broncos roster... I think all 3 of them could the Chiefs active roster.

Just Passin' By
08-17-2009, 08:35 AM
I hope they didn't pay a lot for him or give him a signing bonus. A soft player coming in late to training camp is not my idea of a guaranteed success.

Alphaman
08-17-2009, 08:36 AM
I don't know. Looking at his stats he he can be a consistent 35 to 45 receptions guy at about 15 yards per (or 500 to 700) yards. Could be a good compliment to Bowe, Bradley and Toomer.

Gonzo
08-17-2009, 08:37 AM
Hell, see if he can return kicks.

Iowanian
08-17-2009, 08:40 AM
I'd rather have the coke nose honkey.

Gonzo
08-17-2009, 08:42 AM
I'd rather have the coke nose honkey.

ROFL

Iowanian
08-17-2009, 08:44 AM
Are Any of these guys going to be special teamers?

I doubt Engram, Toomer or Lelie would be gunners.....


I'd say this signing prooves that Webb was here because of Herm's association more than anything. I'd also wonder if Engram is stinking up the place.

Direckshun
08-17-2009, 08:45 AM
What's WR depth at this point?

Bowe, Toomer, Engram, Bradley, Lelie, Lawrence

Iowanian
08-17-2009, 08:47 AM
I thought Bradley played alright the other night, and it would seem Copper would be higher up the food chain than Lawerence.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-17-2009, 08:47 AM
I'd say this signing prooves that Webb was here because of Herm's association more than anything. I'd also wonder if Engram is stinking up the place.


I don't see how. New coach would have cut him long before now if he didn't see any potential. Heck, he cut Will Franklin in the OTA's.

BigRedChief
08-17-2009, 08:49 AM
I hope they didn't pay a lot for him or give him a signing bonus. A soft player coming in late to training camp is not my idea of a guaranteed success.
as long as there was no big gauranteed money and he can be cut without killing the cap, why not? Our recievers(besides Bowe) suck so bad they are an embrassment.

chief husker
08-17-2009, 08:51 AM
What's WR depth at this point?

Bowe, Toomer, Engram, Bradley, Lelie, Lawrence

Lawrence might have made the team with those wicked blocks he threw Saturday. He tattooed that d back on one of Thigpen's scrambles.

Otter
08-17-2009, 08:59 AM
I remember making fun of Denver Fans when they signed Sammy Parker.

Karma is a bitch.

nychief
08-17-2009, 08:59 AM
well, this is similar to the pats... vet receivers abound... ours are really the dregs... but I guess if you throw enough shit against the wall, something might stick.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-17-2009, 09:01 AM
I remember making fun of Denver Fans when they signed Sammy Parker.

Karma is a bitch.

I'll take my chances with Ashley. He's not going to cost much, and he has to know this is his very last chance. Maybe he becomes EK pt. II.

hawkchief
08-17-2009, 09:02 AM
Well, that certainly gives us the oldest WR group in the league. Something to strive for - a bunch of retread wideouts usually bodes very well!

(Is Carl actually still here)?

Demonpenz
08-17-2009, 09:05 AM
eric crouch would give us the wildcat option

Iowanian
08-17-2009, 09:10 AM
I made fun of Ashley Nash when she was in Denver...I made fun of her in Oakland, I'm not going to cheer her just because she's in a Red hat now.

Layla will have to proove it this fan.

Rooster
08-17-2009, 09:12 AM
I'd rather have the coke nose honkey.

:clap: Me too.

OctoberFart
08-17-2009, 09:13 AM
Lelie continues his AFCW tour. Next year he will be a Charger.

KevB
08-17-2009, 09:13 AM
Lawrence might have made the team with those wicked blocks he threw Saturday. He tattooed that d back on one of Thigpen's scrambles.

He caught the ball reasonably well also I believe. I remember a drag across the middle in the rain with the dback was right on his back....he caught it and fought forward nearly for a first down. If he improves his return ability, he's got a very real shot to stick. Not to mention he's one of the few players on the roster that was actually chosen by this regime.

The Bad Guy
08-17-2009, 09:16 AM
Copper is going to make the team as a special teams player, so we are likely carrying 6 WRs. Bowe, Bradley, Darling, Toomer, Engram and Copper.

the Talking Can
08-17-2009, 09:18 AM
tangent

listening to 610, a caller just compared thigpen to fran tarkenton.....wright is laughing hysterically...

nychief
08-17-2009, 09:20 AM
matt jones

keg in kc
08-17-2009, 09:20 AM
Hooray for the camp body swap.

KCUnited
08-17-2009, 09:21 AM
tangent

listening to 610, a caller just compared thigpen to fran tarkenton.....wright is laughing hysterically...
He should've called 2 hours ago when Twibel was playing the long version of Stairway To Heaven on his skin flute.

nychief
08-17-2009, 09:23 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Matt-Jones-is-still-waiting-for-his-second-chanc?urn=nfl,183248

Iowanian
08-17-2009, 09:24 AM
I'm guessing if the great white Coke weren't all effed up, he'd be on a roster by now.

RedThat
08-17-2009, 09:28 AM
This is a nightmare. Why in the hell didn't Haley or Pioli realize from watching tape that the WRs on this team outside of Bowe were awful?

eh, no worries.

its not a big deal. we all know he is alot better then Jeff Webb and even Devard Darling.

besides, he won't even start anyways? it's gonna be Bowe, and Bradley imo.

for depth, this is a decent move. whats there to lose?

Mr. Krab
08-17-2009, 09:28 AM
Matt jones must really still be fucked up if we are giving him a shot.

RedThat
08-17-2009, 09:28 AM
Copper is going to make the team as a special teams player, so we are likely carrying 6 WRs. Bowe, Bradley, Darling, Toomer, Engram and Copper.

Darling is the odd man out

Iowanian
08-17-2009, 09:32 AM
Darling is a turd. A mushy turd.

JD10367
08-17-2009, 09:52 AM
well, this is similar to the pats... vet receivers abound... ours are really the dregs... but I guess if you throw enough shit against the wall, something might stick.

Glad someone gets it. I don't know why so many of you guys blow a gasket and bash your team for making a move that's clearly an upgrade. As long as they're not paying him a lot of dough or gave him a multiyear contract, just chill. You dropped your bad #6 WR (#7 WR? #8 WR?) for a guy who has more talent. Yes, maybe on a scale of 1-10, you traded a 1 for a 2... big f**king deal. It's still an upgrade, no? Worst-case scenario, he gets cut, no harm no foul if the money's chump change. Best-case scenario, he contributes in some way (return man, fourth WR, washes the jocks and fills the Gatorade buckets, whatever). Between Toomer, Engram, and Lelie, ONE of them ought to give you something, so you've got Bowe and Bradley as the young guns and an old wiley vet as the third man in. Once we trade you Ben Watson for a case of footballs, you're good to go. :)

FD
08-17-2009, 10:06 AM
We need a thread to say goodbye to Webb, reminisce about all the good times, like that one time he made a good block downfield.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 10:14 AM
Eh, whatever.

Lelie is a no-risk signing. Vet minimum and probably his last real shot at making an NFL roster. He's got some speed and maybe with Haley on his ass, he'll improve his route running and concentration.

FTR, I can't see both Toomer and Engram on this team.
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Iowanian
08-17-2009, 10:16 AM
Oh what a tangled Webb we weave, when our fingers are buttered and we have limiting speed.

Pestilence
08-17-2009, 10:17 AM
Later Webb. About fucking time.

Ultra Peanut
08-17-2009, 10:18 AM
YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

orange
08-17-2009, 10:20 AM
"Meanwhile, Matt Jones and Marvin Harrison and Jerry Porter are wondering what in the hell is going on." - Mike Florio

Direckshun
08-17-2009, 10:20 AM
Honestly, Pioli's veteran deals are kicking Peterson's ass. And he's signing them to similar deals.

Toomer, Engram, and Lelie are three good signings. Toomer may start, Engram will take plenty of snaps as he stays healthy, and Lelie's a take-a-flier guy.

KCtotheSB
08-17-2009, 10:26 AM
People overreact to these signings like he's our future at the position. I don't think anyone would disagree he's at the very least, a marginal upgrade at wide receiver over Jeff Webb. If he starts dropping balls left and right, then he's gone before we head to Baltimore. If he's at least productive and gels well with the offense, then we have ourselves another downfield target.

Pioli and Haley are just swapping out and finding what fits. The receivers are going to have make up a lot of missing production (i.e Tony Gonzalez). I think Engram and Darling get the boot the way things stand now.

Iowanian
08-17-2009, 10:27 AM
I'm not angry or upset about this signing, it's just classified under "meh".

Buehler445
08-17-2009, 10:32 AM
The thing I wish to avoid with old guy signings is dumping some talent with much higher potential. I like the lomg term prospects of Lawrence, Taurus Johnson, and Mark Bradley. I hope we don't dump those guys too soon for a retread.
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raybec 4
08-17-2009, 10:32 AM
He's better than some of the current options but better than awful doesn't mean good

Buehler445
08-17-2009, 10:33 AM
The thing I wish to avoid with old guy signings is dumping some talent with much higher potential. I like the lomg term prospects of Lawrence, Taurus Johnson, and Mark Bradley. I hope we don't dump those guys too soon for a retread.
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Note that I could give two fucks about Jeff Webb, but other than Bowe who was the last guy we developed?
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LaChapelle
08-17-2009, 10:40 AM
He's just hitting practice.

LTL
08-17-2009, 10:45 AM
Note that I could give two ****s about Jeff Webb, but other than Bowe who was the last guy we developed?
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Carlos Carson and Stephone Paige were the last 2 I can think of WR wise and both of those guys retired damn near 20 years ago.

Simply Red
08-17-2009, 10:46 AM
Saw this coming.

Don't mind the signing one bit.

that's what I thought, too. He used to kill us, how'd he go to 'Suck' so fast? I missed that...

Demonpenz
08-17-2009, 10:52 AM
that's what I thought, too. He used to kill us, how'd he go to 'Suck' so fast? I missed that...

quinn gray, billy voleck, drew bennett also "killed us" we have sucked for awhile now

Garcia Bronco
08-17-2009, 10:56 AM
RE: Lelie Signing


DOH!!!

jiveturkey
08-17-2009, 10:56 AM
We'll have to keep at least a couple of WR's to play ST's. I don't see Bowe, Bradley, Toomer, Engram or Lelie playing ST's.

Garcia Bronco
08-17-2009, 10:56 AM
that's what I thought, too. He used to kill us, how'd he go to 'Suck' so fast? I missed that...

Killed you when? Here with the Broncos? I don't think so.

ChiefGator
08-17-2009, 10:58 AM
Kennison pt2.

Donx/Faider version.

To the inflatable raft!

I will take Kennison part 2 any day over Webb.

Iowanian
08-17-2009, 10:58 AM
quinn gray, billy voleck, drew bennett also "killed us" we have sucked for awhile now

Some guy that hadn't played football since HS stepped in week 1 last season, after Tom "the alpha and Omega" Brady went down....and tossed a 90some yard TD pass against the Chiefs and led the pats to a W.

Tuckdaddy
08-17-2009, 11:00 AM
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!

LaChapelle
08-17-2009, 11:01 AM
Bowe is feeling the heat now

DaWolf
08-17-2009, 11:01 AM
Meh. Best case scenario, it gives us someone with speed that we need to have any semblance of a down field threat.

Ultra Peanut
08-17-2009, 11:01 AM
Fuck the haters, I hope he blossoms into the best receiver of all time with the Chiefs.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-17-2009, 11:02 AM
Fuck the haters, I hope he blossoms into the best receiver of all time with the Chiefs.

Me too. I don't dislike this signing at all.

Tuckdaddy
08-17-2009, 11:02 AM
Glad someone gets it. I don't know why so many of you guys blow a gasket and bash your team for making a move that's clearly an upgrade. As long as they're not paying him a lot of dough or gave him a multiyear contract, just chill. You dropped your bad #6 WR (#7 WR? #8 WR?) for a guy who has more talent. Yes, maybe on a scale of 1-10, you traded a 1 for a 2... big f**king deal. It's still an upgrade, no? Worst-case scenario, he gets cut, no harm no foul if the money's chump change. Best-case scenario, he contributes in some way (return man, fourth WR, washes the jocks and fills the Gatorade buckets, whatever). Between Toomer, Engram, and Lelie, ONE of them ought to give you something, so you've got Bowe and Bradley as the young guns and an old wiley vet as the third man in. Once we trade you Ben Watson for a case of footballs, you're good to go. :)


I get it. nothing wrong with adding talent to a position thst we clearly need more of it.

Simply Red
08-17-2009, 11:05 AM
Killed you when? Here with the Broncos? I don't think so.


indeed, IIRC. I remember him coming up w/ big catches.

Simply Red
08-17-2009, 11:06 AM
but no, he ain't no Sammie Parker, or however you spell his 1st name.


PBJPBJPBJPBJPBJ

RustShack
08-17-2009, 11:14 AM
If Haley can teach Bowe how to catch he can teach Lelie how to catch. If He can do that hes our #2 reciever easy. Lelie wasn't bad at all when he was with an offensive coach named Shannahan... I think a WR coach and OC like Gailey might be able to at least get something out of him.

Mr. Kotter
08-17-2009, 11:18 AM
Given that, as we speak, our #2 WR is either Toomer, or Darling....Lelie is worth a look. :shrug:

Basileus777
08-17-2009, 11:19 AM
We should have brought back Samie Parker.

orange
08-17-2009, 11:23 AM
If Haley can teach Bowe how to catch he can teach Lelie how to catch. If He can do that hes our #2 reciever easy. Lelie wasn't bad at all when he was with an offensive coach named Shannahan... I think a WR coach and OC like Gailey might be able to at least get something out of him.

That was four years ago. Since then he's played 43 games (two different teams) and made 49 catches. He's Jeff Webb redux (31 games, 36 catches).

the Talking Can
08-17-2009, 11:23 AM
he's been with 4 teams in 4 years, his numbers in a downward spiral the whole way...11 catches last year, 10 before that....the f'n raiders cut him

i don't care about the signing but expecting anything from a turd is dangerous...

LaChapelle
08-17-2009, 11:43 AM
We'll have to keep at least a couple of WR's to play ST's. I don't see Bowe, Bradley, Toomer, Engram or Lelie playing ST's.

desperate times...

8/17 UWRF

Receiver Bobby Engram, running back Dantrell Savage and cornerback Maurice Leggett spent time returning punts

DTLB58
08-17-2009, 11:44 AM
People overreact to these signings like he's our future at the position. I don't think anyone would disagree he's at the very least, a marginal upgrade at wide receiver over Jeff Webb. If he starts dropping balls left and right, then he's gone before we head to Baltimore. If he's at least productive and gels well with the offense, then we have ourselves another downfield target.

Pioli and Haley are just swapping out and finding what fits. The receivers are going to have make up a lot of missing production (i.e Tony Gonzalez). I think Engram and Darling get the boot the way things stand now.

Agreed, I think Bowe and Bradley still start opening day after all of this anyways.

wasi
08-17-2009, 11:47 AM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/08/17/qa_with_ashley_lelie__817/

Q & A up at kcchiefs.com

Q: What did you like about your first day with the Chiefs at training camp?

LELIE: “It feels good, just to kind of be able to sit back and see the talent that the team has at all positions. With the experience of the coaching staff, something special could happen here.”

:D

Just Passin' By
08-17-2009, 11:48 AM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/08/17/qa_with_ashley_lelie__817/

Q & A up at kcchiefs.com

Q: What did you like about your first day with the Chiefs at training camp?

LELIE: “It feels good, just to kind of be able to sit back and see the talent that the team has at all positions. With the experience of the coaching staff, something special could happen here.”

:D

Well, his bullshitting is in mid-season form......

Spicy McHaggis
08-17-2009, 11:55 AM
Lelie has a ton of talent. DV loved him coming out of the draft.

In some respects, he is similar to Bowe. Now, I think Bowe has lived up to his talent more than Lelie, but both have underachieved, and both had problems with dropped passes.

I've got to disagree with you. Dismissing the fact that they are two completely different types of receivers, Bowe has been massively better his first two seasons than Lelie was in his. I get that you're trying to say that they both have underachieved and that is where the similarity is. I just don't think it's a very appropriate one at this point of Bowe's career.

LTL
08-17-2009, 12:04 PM
Well, his bullshitting is in mid-season form......

He didn't say the talent was good, he could be going, yea as bad I know I was at times, I can beat some of these sorry ass fucks they call WRs.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 12:27 PM
I'm glad Jeff Webb got cut.

Spicy McHaggis
08-17-2009, 12:31 PM
I'm glad Jeff Webb got cut.

Yes, if Lelie never does anything else for the Chiefs at least he accomplished that.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 12:32 PM
As bad as these WR's are anyone can make this team, although it'd be really funny if we ended up signing more WR's as team cuts happened.

Spicy McHaggis
08-17-2009, 12:34 PM
I think we will see some other guys coming in. It's very obvious Haley thinks this group still isn't worth a shit.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 12:35 PM
The Chiefs WR group hasn't been worth a shit in 20+ years so whats new?

alanm
08-17-2009, 12:37 PM
I have a feeling Polio will be rummaging through McDaniels scraps at the WR position. Brandon Lloyd, Chad Jackson, and Nate Swift are longshots to make the Broncos roster... I think all 3 of them could the Chiefs active roster.I'd take Nate Swift in the slot in a heartbeat. :thumb:

orange
08-17-2009, 12:41 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/08/17/qa_with_ashley_lelie__817/

Q & A up at kcchiefs.com

Q: What did you like about your first day with the Chiefs at training camp?

LELIE: “It feels good, just to kind of be able to sit back and see the talent that the team has at all positions. With the experience of the coaching staff, something special could happen here.”

:D

The Chiefs have finally found someone to replace Tony Gonzalez' mouth.

Bwana
08-17-2009, 12:53 PM
Getting rid of one POS for another POS.

This

Chief Faithful
08-17-2009, 01:16 PM
Interesting quote from Haley's press conference this morning, Haley said that Lelie is different than anything else the Chiefs already have in the receiving position. “He’s a long, lean guy,” Haley said. “He’s got top-end speed.” Haley also said that Lelie is going to have to work “double duty” to get caught up with the rest of the team.

Slainte
08-17-2009, 01:20 PM
LELIE: “It feels good, just to kind of be able to sit back and see the talent that the team has at all positions.

OOOhhhhhhh, Lelie has those *Special Eyes*,... the kind of eyes that can see into the seventh dimension where apparently all the Chiefs' fucking talent has been hiding Anne Frank-style for years...

KCChiefsMan
08-17-2009, 01:22 PM
eh, at least Webb is gone

luv
08-17-2009, 01:23 PM
How is Lelie pronounced? How weird to be Ashley "Lee Lee". Or is it "Lee Lie"?

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:25 PM
How is Lelie pronounced? How weird to be Ashley "Lee Lee". Or is it "Lee Lie"?

It's more like Luh Lee, or La Li.

You know he's tough that's an extremely fem name for a dude to have.

orange
08-17-2009, 01:25 PM
How is Lelie pronounced? How weird to be Ashley "Lee Lee". Or is it "Lee Lie"?

It's like L' lei.

MVChiefFan
08-17-2009, 01:25 PM
How is Lelie pronounced? How weird to be Ashley "Lee Lee". Or is it "Lee Lie"?

It's more like Luh-Lee

MVChiefFan
08-17-2009, 01:27 PM
It's more like Luh Lee, or La Li.

You know he's tough that's an extremely fem name for a dude to have.

Beat me.

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:28 PM
So Haley bitches about the WR's dropping balls then signs Ashelie Lelie. That's stupid.

luv
08-17-2009, 01:28 PM
Ah, thanks. I've only read it, as I don't have a radio in my office.

Sure-Oz
08-17-2009, 01:28 PM
Devard Darling part 2, hell yes!!!11111111

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:28 PM
At this point anything is better than what we have, this group of WR's is pretty bad.

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:28 PM
It's more like Luh Lee, or La Li.

You know he's tough that's an extremely fem name for a dude to have.

Or you can just say it's the guy who sucks. Funny thing is he was compared to Randy Moss at Hawaii.

Fat Elvis
08-17-2009, 01:30 PM
It's more like Luh Lee, or La Li.

You know he's tough that's an extremely fem name for a dude to have.

Dude, have you not looked into a mirror lately?

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:30 PM
At this point anything is better than what we have, this group of WR's is pretty bad.

Thats the thing Lelie really isn't better then anything the Chiefs got. The signing of Amani Toomer made some sense in the fact that he's a consistant player compared to Lelie who is really inconsistant. I would have rather signed Matt Jones then Ashelie Lelie.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:30 PM
He was a really good college player...who knows maybe he turns it around, it wouldn't be the first time a guy has done it.

Sure-Oz
08-17-2009, 01:31 PM
So is this the Tony Pena JR DFA for Betancourt deal for the Chiefs?

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:31 PM
Dude, have you not looked into a mirror lately?

My name is fem?

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:31 PM
Thats the thing Lelie really isn't better then anything the Chiefs got. The signing of Amani Toomer made some sense in the fact that he's a consistant player compared to Lelie who is really inconsistant. I would have rather signed Matt Jones then Ashelie Lelie.

Uh yea I'd rather have Ashley Lelie on my roster than numerous of the guys the Chiefs are running out there.

DeezNutz
08-17-2009, 01:32 PM
This organization has been a fucking joke since Jeff Webb left.

Mr. Krab
08-17-2009, 01:33 PM
So is this the Tony Pena JR DFA for Betancourt deal for the Chiefs?
Pretty much.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-17-2009, 01:33 PM
He was a really good college player...who knows maybe he turns it around, it wouldn't be the first time a guy has done it.
yea agree, and he has alot better chance of being decent than Jeff Webb

luv
08-17-2009, 01:33 PM
My name is fem?

Not sure why, but I just giggled.

Halfcan
08-17-2009, 01:33 PM
Uh yea I'd rather have Ashley Lelie on my roster than numerous of the guys the Chiefs are running out there.

I am always leary about Ex Donk players-so I am not too happy about the trade.

But our WR's looked like crap Sat-so I guess we will see.

Sure-Oz
08-17-2009, 01:33 PM
This organization has been a ****ing joke since Jeff Webb left.

DM is running the show!1111111 Trust the Process!111111

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:34 PM
Uh yea I'd rather have Ashley Lelie on my roster than numerous of the guys the Chiefs are running out there.

The guy has averaged like 17 catches the last 3 seasons with 3 different teams. Thats only comparable to Jeff Webb.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-17-2009, 01:36 PM
I am always leary about Ex Donk players-so I am not too happy about the trade.

But our WR's looked like crap Sat-so I guess we will see.

There was no trade. We just signed her to the vet minimum.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:37 PM
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You can see he has talent, it's worth the risk, if you flip a switch on he's atleast better than guys like Terrance fucking Copper and he's not 800 years old either.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-17-2009, 01:38 PM
The guy has averaged like 17 catches the last 3 seasons with 3 different teams. Thats only comparable to Jeff Webb.
has Jeff Webb ever had a 1,000 yard season?

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:39 PM
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You can see he has talent, it's worth the risk, if you flip a switch on he's atleast better than guys like Terrance ****ing Copper and he's not 800 years old either.

That clip was from 8+ years ago. Show the NFL clips of him. His best season was 54 catches in Mike Shannahans offense.

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:40 PM
has Jeff Webb ever had a 1,000 yard season?

Lelies 1,000 + reciveing yards came 5 years ago. Thats a long time in football.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-17-2009, 01:41 PM
Lelies 1,000 + reciveing yards came 5 years ago. Thats a long time in football.

and when did Jeff Webb come? Since you are obviously saying we downgraded.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-17-2009, 01:42 PM
Ashley is not any worse than Jeff Webb. He's already shown more ability than Webb ever has. This is a move that has ZERO downside.

Sure-Oz
08-17-2009, 01:42 PM
Lelie will be our Fitzgerald baby, give him #11 right now!

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:43 PM
and when did Jeff Webb come? Since you are obviously saying we downgraded.

You are twisting my words. I said Lelie's #'s the last 3 seasons are comparable to Jeff Webbs.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:43 PM
Actually that video shows all through his career there's even a TD with the Raiders in it.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:44 PM
I still don't know why anyone would complain about this, it's no risk high reward. Jeff Webb also is nowhere near as naturally gifted as Lelie so why complain?

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:46 PM
Actually that video shows all through his career there's even a TD with the Raiders in it.

Does it show all the drops aginst the Chiefs? The one that sticks out is the 05 game at Arrowhead where he has one of the Chiefs Cb's beat (prolly McCleon) and he straight up drops the pass. Theres alot better WR's the Chiefs could sign.

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:46 PM
I still don't know why anyone would complain about this, it's no risk high reward. Jeff Webb also is nowhere near as naturally gifted as Lelie so why complain?

What? You were bitching about the Chiefs signing Amani Toomer.

DeezNutz
08-17-2009, 01:46 PM
Ashley is not any worse than Jeff Webb. He's already shown more ability than Webb ever has. This is a move that has ZERO downside.

I still don't know why anyone would complain about this, it's no risk high reward. Jeff Webb also is nowhere near as naturally gifted as Lelie so why complain?

.

stevieray
08-17-2009, 01:47 PM
the team is going to go through a buttload of players in this transition.

...get used to it..it's refeshing to know they all won't be overpaid..ie Kendrell bell, etc..

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:48 PM
What? You were bitching about the Chiefs signing Amani Toomer.

He's 35...Ashley Lelie is 29 there's a slight difference in the reward.

Just Passin' By
08-17-2009, 01:49 PM
Ashley is not any worse than Jeff Webb. He's already shown more ability than Webb ever has. This is a move that has ZERO downside.

Indeed. My only question was the contract. A nothing contract and this is a no-brainer.

the Talking Can
08-17-2009, 01:49 PM
no one is complaining

just pointing out he's done nothing for years and is a pussy to boot....

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:49 PM
He's 35...Ashley Lelie is 29 there's a slight difference in the reward.

4 teams in 4 years and the coach bitches about how the WR's need to be consistant.

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:50 PM
no one is complaining

just pointing out he's done nothing for years and is a pussy to boot....

You always bring common sense to the convo. Rep.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-17-2009, 01:50 PM
no one is complaining

just pointing out he's done nothing for years and is a pussy to boot....

I sure won't disagree with any of that. She has to know it's her last chance. She better make it count, or she'll have to find a new career.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-17-2009, 01:51 PM
4 teams in 4 years and the coach bitches about how the WR's need to be consistant.
dam dude, did Ashley Leslie fuck your mom

the Talking Can
08-17-2009, 01:51 PM
i like their willingness to sign guys and turn over rocks.....


but some will excite me more than others...

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:52 PM
dam dude, did Ashley Leslie **** your mom

You must have never seen this guy play. He fucking sucks if people on here bitch about Bowe dropping balls, Lelie is Bowe dropping ball on steroids.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:52 PM
You take what you can get when you are signing WR's this time of year. Part of the reason Lelie got signed is his speed..

About all else out there is Matt Jones who this team isn't going to sign because he's a cokehead that isn't dedicated and Reggie Williams who Flopnuts could probably beat in a race.

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:54 PM
You take what you can get when you are signing WR's this time of year. Part of the reason Lelie got signed is his speed..

About all else out there is Matt Jones who this team isn't going to sign because he's a cokehead that isn't dedicated and Reggie Williams who Flopnuts could probably beat in a race.

Meh if the WR's suck so bad trade a pick for a WR. I don't understand how you are going to spend all that money on a new QB and not sign/trade for a decent WR.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-17-2009, 01:55 PM
You take what you can get when you are signing WR's this time of year. Part of the reason Lelie got signed is his speed..

About all else out there is Matt Jones who this team isn't going to sign because he's a cokehead that isn't dedicated and Reggie Williams who Flopnuts could probably beat in a race.

I've been training motherfucker!!! 22 GUYS OFF DA STREET!!1!1!!!!!

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:55 PM
And who is going to trade you a WR that is any good?

When you get to this stage of the game you hope you get lucky, DV got lucky with Kennison.

Molitoth
08-17-2009, 01:56 PM
I agree that Lelie is a good acquisition for this WR crew.

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 01:56 PM
And who is going to trade you a WR that is any good?

When you get to this stage of the game you hope you get lucky, DV got lucky with Kennison.

It's too late now but during the off-season there was plenty of time.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 01:58 PM
It's too late now but during the off-season there was plenty of time.

I'd rather not trade a high pick for some ok WR, I don't think trying to win 6 games this year should be the goal.

Chocolate Hog
08-17-2009, 02:01 PM
I'd rather not trade a high pick for some ok WR, I don't think trying to win 6 games this year should be the goal.

I'm not talking about trading for Roscoe Parrish. The Chiefs could have traded up and drafted a good WR in the 2nd round. Instead of signing garbage like Lelie and Copper.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 02:05 PM
I'm not talking about trading for Roscoe Parrish. The Chiefs could have traded up and drafted a good WR in the 2nd round. Instead of signing garbage like Lelie and Copper.

Actually once Nicks and Britt came off the board at the end of the 1st the WR quality was pretty much gone.

luv
08-17-2009, 02:07 PM
Uh-oh. They've started in on talking draft. Careful Mecca. :p

BigVE
08-17-2009, 02:08 PM
Heck, why not sign a guy like Marvin Harrison...we KNOW he can catch and run precise routes. Lelie is better than Webb IMO so it aint all bad.

Molitoth
08-17-2009, 02:11 PM
why not sign a guy like Marvin Harrison

I'm still wondering how the f*ck he hasn't been signed by a team... I mean, I know he had a down year last year, but everyone seems to have a down year eventually in their career at some point.

Are his legal issues THAT big of a deal? I don't even know what is going on with that.

JD10367
08-17-2009, 02:12 PM
Heck, why not sign a guy like Marvin Harrison...we KNOW he can catch and run precise routes. Lelie is better than Webb IMO so it aint all bad.

I kinda hope the Chiefs sign Marvin Harrison, just to see if anyone's head around here pops like the guy in the end scene from "Scanners". ROFL

Mecca
08-17-2009, 02:13 PM
Well see when you have a bad knee, like to choke kids, then shoot people and put the gun in a bucket it kind of deters people from signing you.

DenverChief
08-17-2009, 02:14 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80cc0da4/Ashley-Lelie-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Broncos-2008

BigVE
08-17-2009, 02:15 PM
Well see when you have a bad knee, like to choke kids, then shoot people and put the gun in a bucket it kind of deters people from signing you.

I miss the good 'ol days when all that crap didn't matter, it's all about the FOOS-BALL baby!! ( I didnt realize how much crap he was in...)

Molitoth
08-17-2009, 02:17 PM
So is harrison up for attempted murder?

KCtotheSB
08-17-2009, 02:19 PM
Well, he'll certainly help on Madden when I play as the Chiefs.....

JD10367
08-17-2009, 02:23 PM
I'm still wondering how the f*ck he hasn't been signed by a team... I mean, I know he had a down year last year, but everyone seems to have a down year eventually in their career at some point.

Are his legal issues THAT big of a deal? I don't even know what is going on with that.

Yes, they're that big of a deal. And on top of that, he's soon-to-be 37 and only had around 600 yards last year. And he's developed an unwillingness to get hit in his old age. You might be better off with Lelie...

Molitoth
08-17-2009, 02:26 PM
A Philadelphia man who claims he was caught in the crossfire during a shooting rampage by Marvin Harrison is suing the former All-Pro wide receiver, saying that a bullet fired by Harrison is still lodged in his back.



Harrison

In the suit, Robert Nixon, 33, claims he saw Harrison shoot at another man with guns in each of his hands on April 29, 2008, and continue to fire when the target fled the scene in his car. He said Harrison "continued shooting at the other person ... as [he] drove past plaintiff. In doing so, a bullet from defendant's handgun struck plaintiff in the back with great force and violence."

The seven-count suit alleges assault, battery negligence and reckless misconduct.

It is the second suit against Harrison in connection with the shooting on West Thompson Street, where Harrison owns a car wash and garage. The man he allegedly fired on, Dwight Dixon, filed a suit last year that accused Harrison of retaliating for a shouting match that turned physical when the two traded punches. Dixon claimed he was shot "intentionally" and "outrageously."

In a bloody twist last week, Dixon was gunned down by an unknown assailant as he sat in another car, just blocks from where the April 2008 shooting occurred. Police say an assailant approached the driver's side of his Toyota Camry and fired four times, then shot through the back window before unloading two more slugs in the passenger side. Video surveillance taken by a camera at a nearby store shows the gunman -- wearing a hooded sweatshirt, jeans and white sneakers -- fleeing with his head lowered and face obscured. Dixon was struck in the chest, stomach and arm.


Dixon told police that he believed the shooting was linked to the earlier incident. But authorities have no evidence to back up the claim and have not been able to interview Dixon, who is listed as being in critical condition at Hahnemann University Hospital. Dixon's attorney, Robert Gamburg, said his client has been slipping in and out of a coma.


In interviews with police last year, Harrison acknowledged quarreling with Dixon. He also surrendered a rare Belgium 5.7-caliber handgun, fully loaded, to police who questioned him at his garage. According to prosecutors, ballistics tests later showed that the gun fired five of the six cartridge casings that were found at the shooting scene.

But while Harrison admitted to being in his garage during the melee, he denied having the gun with him that day, saying it was in his suburban home. Police and prosecutors have yet to reconcile how the gun could have been in Harrison's home if it was used to shoot Dixon.

In the first shooting incident, Stanley McCray, an employee of Harrison's, told police that he saw Dixon with a weapon but did not see him raise or fire it.

In January, Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham said she would not file criminal charges because the case was steeped in conflicting witness accounts. She specifically mentioned Nixon, who initially told police he knew nothing about what happened but four days later signed a statement saying he was positive that he saw Harrison with a gun. Abraham said Nixon, who has a rap sheet for petty drug possession and is currently in jail for illegally having prescription pain pills, "admitted that he had fabricated many of the details."

But a law enforcement source who has seen Nixon's statements to police disagrees. The source told ESPN that while certain elements of Nixon's story changed, his identification of Harrison remained consistent after he began cooperating. Indeed, police were so confident in his account that they placed him in protective custody for two weeks last spring. Nixon left the custody voluntarily.

A spokesman for Abraham did not return a call today seeking comment about whether Nixon's suit would prompt her to reconsider opening the case.

The NFL has previously decided that, given the district attorney's decision, there is "no basis for any disciplinary action" against Harrison.

Harrison, a 13-year NFL veteran with possible Hall of Fame credentials, was released at his own request by the Colts at the end of last season after being asked to take a pay cut. He is currently trying to secure a free-agent contract.


Here is the latest on Harrison. Doesn't look like he's getting charged with anything, nor is he being punished by the NFL.

If he did shoot a guy, it looks as if he will probably get away with it.

TRR
08-17-2009, 02:38 PM
Thats the thing Lelie really isn't better then anything the Chiefs got. The signing of Amani Toomer made some sense in the fact that he's a consistant player compared to Lelie who is really inconsistant. I would have rather signed Matt Jones then Ashelie Lelie.

I disagree. Lelie is a better WR than Copper, Wright, Lawrence, and possibly Darling. Toomer looks good but VERY slow in training camp, and Engram hasn't been overly impressive.

I would say the only guarantees on the roster better than Lelie are Bowe and Bradley.
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LaChapelle
08-17-2009, 02:43 PM
KEEP ****ING DOUBTING MIKE VRABEL!

Chief Faithful
08-17-2009, 02:43 PM
I disagree. Lelie is a better WR than Copper, Wright, Lawrence, and possibly Darling. Toomer looks good but VERY slow in training camp, and Engram hasn't been overly impressive.

I would say the only guarantees on the roster better than Lelie are Bowe and Bradley.
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I agree with your summary with the exception of Lawrence who we really don't know about yet. He looks like a rookie who is overwhelmed with the speed of the game. But, he made some really good plays mixed in with his bonehead moments and seems to have the hands and speed for the game. I already like him better than Copper, Wright and Darling.

JD10367
08-17-2009, 02:45 PM
KEEP ****ING DOUBTING MIKE VRABLE!

True dat, he might be the best WR on your roster. :D

My wife knows little about football. One day, while I was watching a Pats game, they threw a touchdown to Vrabel. My wife said, "Geez, he does that all the time, doesn't the other team know to watch him when he comes into the game near the end zone?" ROFL

Sure-Oz
08-17-2009, 02:46 PM
Bobby Sippio-WR-Lions Aug. 17 - 3:50 pm et

Lions waived WR Bobby Sippio.

We'd say Sippio could land back in the Arena League, where he was once a prolific pass catcher, but the league is defunct. The UFL is another option.
Source: Detroit Free Press

KCDC
08-17-2009, 03:14 PM
I'm okay with the signing. Webb had no further upside. Lelie might (even though a longshot). If he doesn't show a flash quick, he'll be cut or swapped out again as better candidates become available.

Skip Towne
08-17-2009, 03:18 PM
It looks like Haley is picking up people who have the tools he likes in hopes of developing one of them.

Detoxing
08-17-2009, 03:22 PM
So why is Lelie a Pussy, aside from the fact that his name is Ashley? And what's his problem? Is he stupid? bad hands? What? I know he was decent until he signed with the raiders, but every player goes there to die....maybe he can be salvaged ala Moss?

Saccopoo
08-17-2009, 03:27 PM
Actually once Nicks and Britt came off the board at the end of the 1st the WR quality was pretty much gone.

Other than the Colts stealing Collie in the 4th.

Coogs
08-17-2009, 03:27 PM
So why is Lelie a Pussy, aside from the fact that his name is Ashley? And what's his problem? Is he stupid? bad hands? What? I know he was decent until he signed with the raiders, but every player goes there to die....maybe he can be salvaged ala Moss?

I'm curious too. The guy looked all world at Hawaii. In fact, I was really hoping we would draft him at that time.

MOhillbilly
08-17-2009, 03:29 PM
It looks like Haley is picking up people who have the tools he likes in hopes of developing one of them.

If he can coach em up great. Our best WR being religated to the 3rd string though isnt what id call 'coaching up'. though we understand why coaches sit players.

Detoxing
08-17-2009, 03:29 PM
I'm curious too. The guy looked all world at Hawaii. In fact, I was really hoping we would draft him at that time.

He looked good in Denver too. Maybe im missing something. You can't really blame him for whatever happened in Oakland. That's where careers go to die.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 03:30 PM
The year the Chiefs drafted Ryan Sims my 2 favorite players in the draft were John Henderson and Donte Stallworth, I was so pissed.

Detoxing
08-17-2009, 03:32 PM
Wow. He was also cut by the Falcons and 9ers. Something must really be wrong. I just lost hope for him.

Sure-Oz
08-17-2009, 03:33 PM
The year the Chiefs drafted Ryan Sims my 2 favorite players in the draft were John Henderson and Donte Stallworth, I was so pissed.

I liked stallworth alot out of college, he did great things with mcnabb 1 year

Mecca
08-17-2009, 03:34 PM
I was watching his Ustream thing and he said the fastest 40 he ran in his workouts was for the Chiefs they timed him at 4.16.

Coogs
08-17-2009, 03:34 PM
The year the Chiefs drafted Ryan Sims my 2 favorite players in the draft were John Henderson and Donte Stallworth, I was so pissed.



Before the draft that year, I was really hoping for Freeney in the 1st and that somehow Lelie would slide to our pick in the 2nd round.

Detoxing
08-17-2009, 03:38 PM
I was watching his Ustream thing and he said the fastest 40 he ran in his workouts was for the Chiefs they timed him at 4.16.

So why does he suck now?

listopencil
08-17-2009, 03:38 PM
Actually that video shows all through his career there's even a TD with the Raiders in it.

Wow, the guy has a 3 minute highlight clip but it took 5 years worth of playing to get it. Sad.

listopencil
08-17-2009, 03:39 PM
So why does he suck now?


Because he can't turn or catch.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 03:41 PM
So why does he suck now?

Stallworth? I wouldn't exactly say he sucks...

Detoxing
08-17-2009, 03:45 PM
Stallworth? I wouldn't exactly say he sucks...

oh, ooops, i meant Lelie

Mecca
08-17-2009, 03:47 PM
oh, ooops, i meant Lelie

Oh I dunno Stallworth was the one that put up the 4.16, I thought he would have put up awesome numbers for the Chiefs but I digress we had to have Sims.

Coogs
08-17-2009, 03:48 PM
Stallworth? I wouldn't exactly say he sucks...

But there exists the possiblility that Lelie could have more receptions in 2009. ;)

Mecca
08-17-2009, 03:50 PM
But there exists the possiblility that Lelie could have more receptions in 2009. ;)

Well that is greatly going out on a limb.

Mr. Krab
08-17-2009, 03:51 PM
Lelie is probably the 3rd best WR on the roster, how sad is that.

Detoxing
08-17-2009, 03:52 PM
Because he can't turn or catch.

so he has the dropsies and doesn't know how to track down the football in mid air? Why is he a pussy? Im just trying to figure out why this guy has failed in the NFL after what looked like would be a promising career in Denver. He has the speed and the size. Can he not run routes? dumb as a rock? Stone hands, obviously, right?

Coogs
08-17-2009, 03:53 PM
Well that is greatly going out on a limb.

Maybe not too far. Lelie still has to make a team in order to one up Stallworth.

Mecca
08-17-2009, 03:53 PM
He's inconsistent more than anything, he had some plays in the Raider game at Denver last year.

Pablo
08-17-2009, 05:04 PM
Actually once Nicks and Britt came off the board at the end of the 1st the WR quality was pretty much gone.Robiskie anyone?

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 05:25 PM
Actually once Nicks and Britt came off the board at the end of the 1st the WR quality was pretty much gone.

Louis Murphy in the 4th?

Ari Chi3fs
08-17-2009, 05:26 PM
If anything, Lelie will be motivated for AT LEAST 4 games next year.

L.A. Chieffan
08-17-2009, 07:30 PM
we should get timmy chang

Simply Red
08-17-2009, 07:34 PM
we should get timmy chang

Hey! Cool in with the anti-semitic remarks, L.A. Chieffan.

TRR
08-17-2009, 08:49 PM
I agree with your summary with the exception of Lawrence who we really don't know about yet. He looks like a rookie who is overwhelmed with the speed of the game. But, he made some really good plays mixed in with his bonehead moments and seems to have the hands and speed for the game. I already like him better than Copper, Wright and Darling.

Lawrence did make some good plays, but is going to have to show something on kick/punt returns to be on the final 53 man roster IMO. He is really struggling to pick up the offense...something Haley will not tolerate. He lines up in the wrong plays all the time...even twice during the first Preseason game. That just won't cut it. He is more of a practice squad player IMO this season.

Ralphy Boy
08-18-2009, 04:59 AM
Hey! Cool in with the anti-semitic remarks, L.A. Chieffan.


I was just thinking how Hawaiian Boy used to rave on this kid.