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Baby Lee
08-18-2009, 12:47 PM
From the moment I first heard about the Inglewood temporary clinic situation, I knew this conflation was coming. Every account made pretty clear that, although they were providing topical care for boils and rashes and the like, the OVERWHELMING majority of the care provided was dental and vision.

But at 3:53, Arianna characterized the situation as providing;

"The kind of care that is normally provided by doctors and nurses in third world countries."

While it might be true that there are charitable doctors in third world countries providing dental and vision, does anyone with a brain envision [no pun intended] those benefits being included in a bill that makes it through [daydreams of HR 676 notwithstanding]? Dental and vision is the stuff of cream of the crop coverage, and regardless of the level of coverage are generally the last things to be covered.

Gotta love the progressives, co-opting honest charitable works for a photo op to bemoan the lack of something they have no intention of providing either.

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dirk digler
08-18-2009, 12:56 PM
IIRC the current house bill does have dental and vision covered or at least one of them. The bill also covers hearing aids I believe.

BTW I am all for HR 676 though I would try to make it mandatory to purchase a private supplemental package or Medicare Advantage like package because and I could be wrong I don't think HR 676 would cover the entire cost.

Baby Lee
08-18-2009, 01:02 PM
IIRC the current house bill does have dental and vision covered or at least one of them. The bill also covers hearing aids I believe.

BTW I am all for HR 676 though I would try to make it mandatory to purchase a private supplemental package or Medicare Advantage like package because and I could be wrong I don't think HR 676 would cover the entire cost.

Can we agree that equating this with what everyone should, and will soon be, covered for is disingenuous. That dental and vision is overwhelmingly the two areas in health care where the nation has determined that unless you pony up for a Cadillac plan, you should be covering the provision of with your own funds.

dirk digler
08-18-2009, 01:06 PM
Can we agree that equating this with what everyone should, and will soon be, covered for is disingenuous. That dental and vision is overwhelmingly the two areas in health care where the nation has determined that unless you pony up for a Cadillac plan, you should be covering the provision of with your own funds.

If the goal is single payer than wouldn't dental and vision be included?

mlyonsd
08-18-2009, 01:19 PM
If the goal is single payer than wouldn't dental and vision be included?

Good googley moogley.

KC Dan
08-18-2009, 01:26 PM
If the goal is single payer than wouldn't dental and vision be included?Sure and while we're at it - why not boob jobs and plastic surgery in general? The rich will pay and not us so why not?

Reaper16
08-18-2009, 01:34 PM
Dental really, really needs to be included. Dental insurance doesn't pay for shit and necessary procedures are insane-expensive. I have dental work that I need done but have put it off for years because the money just isn't there.

petegz28
08-18-2009, 01:40 PM
Dental really, really needs to be included. Dental insurance doesn't pay for shit and necessary procedures are insane-expensive. I have dental work that I need done but have put it off for years because the money just isn't there.

Do you have a clue? My dental pays for plenty. I have had a root scale and planing twice and it cost me little. I never pay for my cleanings and I get my teetch cleaned 3 times a year.

stevieray
08-18-2009, 01:40 PM
Dental really, really needs to be included. Dental insurance doesn't pay for shit and necessary procedures are insane-expensive. I have dental work that I need done but have put it off for years because the money I could earn isn't as important as the time spent here bitching about the cost

that's horrible.

btw, you can make payments. I suggest finding a dentist who will work with you on getting your teeth taken care of.

Reaper16
08-18-2009, 01:42 PM
that's horrible.

btw, you can make payments. I suggest finding a dentist who will work with you on getting your teeth taken care of.
i c wut u did ther

petegz28
08-18-2009, 01:43 PM
i c wut u did ther

Get a different dentist. Go to the university dental school. There are options out there.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-18-2009, 01:43 PM
If teeth aren't properly taken care of, they can kill you. Dental needs to be included.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-18-2009, 01:45 PM
Get a different dentist. Go to the university dental school. There are options out there.

Not really. Dental schools in my area operate on a 3 year waiting period. There are way more options for medical care, while there is practically none for dental.

petegz28
08-18-2009, 01:45 PM
If teeth aren't properly taken care of, they can kill you. Dental needs to be included.

1 thing at a time.

Taco John
08-18-2009, 01:56 PM
Americans with free health care. This is going to be the most awesome experiment in the history of medicine. We get to find out what happens when you take socialism and put it on crack cocaine and Redbull.

Taco John
08-18-2009, 01:57 PM
Dental really, really needs to be included. Dental insurance doesn't pay for shit and necessary procedures are insane-expensive. I have dental work that I need done but have put it off for years because the money just isn't there.


It's like you have absolutely no regard for the time and energy that the people put in who are capable of performing these modern miracles of health care.

Baby Lee
08-18-2009, 01:57 PM
If the goal is single payer than wouldn't dental and vision be included?

Not in Canada. :shrug:

petegz28
08-18-2009, 02:04 PM
Not really. Dental schools in my area operate on a 3 year waiting period. There are way more options for medical care, while there is practically none for dental.

Well, my friend gets in pretty easily.

petegz28
08-18-2009, 02:06 PM
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Mr. Flopnuts
08-18-2009, 02:06 PM
Well, my friend gets in pretty easily.

I have no doubt it's a by area situation. Some places have phenomenal programs, others do not. I think it's incredibly important, but I don't disagree with your thought that we should take this slowly, and 1 step at a time.

petegz28
08-18-2009, 02:18 PM
I have no doubt it's a by area situation. Some places have phenomenal programs, others do not. I think it's incredibly important, but I don't disagree with your thought that we should take this slowly, and 1 step at a time.

He goes to UMKC for his, not sure what area you are are in. They seem to get him in rather quickly for semi-emergencies.

wild1
08-18-2009, 02:24 PM
Hah. There are plenty of successful people working for companies that do not include vision or dental in their benefits. Guess those people will have to quit working if they want all these gold-plated benefits you can get from the state.

2bikemike
08-18-2009, 02:28 PM
I have no doubt it's a by area situation. Some places have phenomenal programs, others do not. I think it's incredibly important, but I don't disagree with your thought that we should take this slowly, and 1 step at a time.

Yeah I think in Britain in must be incredibly expensive!

dirk digler
08-18-2009, 03:12 PM
Not in Canada. :shrug:

We aren't Canada

We do things bigger and better duh

:p

dirk digler
08-18-2009, 03:13 PM
Sure and while we're at it - why not boob jobs and plastic surgery in general? The rich will pay and not us so why not?

Are you saying you need a man boob job?

KC Dan
08-18-2009, 03:15 PM
Are you saying you need a man boob job?hahahaha, no. I'm too thin and my back won't support that.

dirk digler
08-18-2009, 03:20 PM
hahahaha, no. I'm too thin and my back won't support that.

Damn you probably could have gotten a good deal on that. :p

2bikemike
08-18-2009, 03:26 PM
Are you saying you need a man boob job?

Their called breast reductions. Those would be ok, becuase of the obvious health affects having man boobs could create.

googlegoogle
08-28-2009, 05:56 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianna_Huffington

Why do these foreign socialists move to this country and start whining on how to improve the USA.

BucEyedPea
08-28-2009, 07:08 PM
Dental really, really needs to be included. Dental insurance doesn't pay for shit and necessary procedures are insane-expensive. I have dental work that I need done but have put it off for years because the money just isn't there.

Then get off your arse and take a second job for awhile. Or take out a loan....gawd knows the interest was low enough. Then you'd get to pay it off with cheaper (worthless) dollars too.

BucEyedPea
08-28-2009, 07:09 PM
Are you saying you need a man boob job?

And what would dirk diggler need? * raises eyebrow *

patteeu
08-29-2009, 08:00 AM
I wonder how offended Dick Armey is that KO was comparing him to Ronald Reagan throughout that report. LOL