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Count Alex's Wins
08-18-2009, 08:29 PM
OK, cheap shot at Thiggy, but this is intriguing. At the very least it should serve up a huge plate of crow to ANYONE who ever bashed Croyle backers. The kid can flat PLAY. He ALWAYS had the ability.

If a miracle happens and he stays healthy...who knows?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/18/croyle-making-a-move-in-kansas-city/

Croyle making a move in Kansas City?

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 18, 2009 8:23 PM ET

Over the weekend, we almost wrote a post on Brodie Croyle appearing to pass Tyler Thigpen on Kansas City's quarterback depth chart. Ultimately, it didn't make the cut.

On Tuesday, Kansas City Star writer Kent Babb wrote that he thought Croyle was playing so well, "he's threatening [Matt] Cassel's job."

Now that's a post.

Babb's bold declaration (http://twitter.com/kb_kcstar/status/3391618543) -- on Twitter, not in the newspaper -- defies logic. Not only did the Chiefs trade for Cassel to be the starter, they handed him a huge contract only a month ago.

Seeing Cassel on the bench would be the most surprising development of a preseason in which Michael Vick became Donovan McNabb's teammate.

Then again, Chiefs coach Todd Haley didn't douse water on the notion Tuesday. Asked if Cassel has been the best quarterback in camp, Haley said: "I'll hold off on answering that."

We've read that Cassel has been inconsistent at times, but overall the reviews of his camp performance have been positive. Croyle played well in Kansas City's preseason opener, but it's hard to believe that would be enough to threaten Cassel.

It is clear, though, that Tyler Thigpen is the forgotten man in Kansas City. Babb wonders if Thigpen will even make the team. (http://twitter.com/kb_kcstar/status/3201621820)

It's also clear that Chiefs coach Todd Haley thinks his team needs some tough love after the Herm Edwards era. Asked Tuesday about Brett Favre's return, Haley turned the focus back inward.

"I'm just worried about this house. It's on fire, and I'm trying to keep it from burning down."

Your 2009 Kansas City Chiefs, ladies and gentlemen!

Mr_Tomahawk
08-18-2009, 08:34 PM
...apples to oranges.

keg in kc
08-18-2009, 08:36 PM
Riiight.

-King-
08-18-2009, 08:36 PM
Did WPI even send anyone to training camp?

booger
08-18-2009, 08:38 PM
Babb sucks. They should make him cover trans gendered soccer instead. He knows nothing about football except peaking over teichtards shoulder.

Mecca
08-18-2009, 08:40 PM
They were talking about this on 610 today with Teicher.....they were all saying that Cassel hasn't looked good since the 1st week of camp and since the scrimmage he's gone downhill.

Count Alex's Wins
08-18-2009, 08:41 PM
They were talking about this on 610 today with Teicher.....they were all saying that Cassel hasn't looked good since the 1st week of camp and since the scrimmage he's gone downhill.

This is just making your day....now you can bash all THREE Chiefs quarterbacks for some reason.

SANCHEZ!

Just Passin' By
08-18-2009, 08:42 PM
They were talking about this on 610 today with Teicher.....they were all saying that Cassel hasn't looked good since the 1st week of camp and since the scrimmage he's gone downhill.

Thanks for sharing this. Now I know that I can ignore 610.

Reerun_KC
08-18-2009, 08:42 PM
They were talking about this on 610 today with Teicher.....they were all saying that Cassel hasn't looked good since the 1st week of camp and since the scrimmage he's gone downhill.
Wierd?

Wasnt he a 7th round draft choice?

L.A. Chieffan
08-18-2009, 08:42 PM
if croyle wins the starters job id like everyone to know i led a good life with few regrets...

sedated
08-18-2009, 08:42 PM
They were talking about this on 610 today with Teicher.....they were all saying that Cassel hasn't looked good since the 1st week of camp and since the scrimmage he's gone downhill.

they also said that Croyle has looked even worse. The part I heard was that Cassel's bad play opened the door for Croyle, but he's absolutely NOT taken advantage.

Reerun_KC
08-18-2009, 08:43 PM
Thanks for sharing this. Now I know that I can ignore 610.

No need to bury the head and say everything is OKAY...

DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 08:44 PM
I don't give a **** how great Croyle looks in camp, and most reports have been that he looks like shit. Whatever. He's not an NFL player.

There's a 0 percent chance of Brodie making it through consecutive games, let alone an entire season. Thus, he's ****ing worthless.

The hit in game one last year was a perfect example of this. Most NFL QBs get up from this, but it damn near killed Croyle.

It's over. The kid has a $100M arm and a ****ing .25 cent body.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-18-2009, 08:44 PM
Didn't Cassel have a horrible camp and preseason with NewEngland last year?

Mr_Tomahawk
08-18-2009, 08:45 PM
..."Not enough positives in the case of QB Brodie Croyle, however. During a drill, Croyle fumbled a snap from center and then there was confusion on a play whether it was a run or pass. Haley yanked Croyle from the drill, replacing him with Matt Gutierrez. In the next portions of practice, Gutierrez worked and Croyle did not. But towards the end of practice, Croyle was back with the No. 2 offense."...

...doesn't sound too threatening.

Just Passin' By
08-18-2009, 08:48 PM
No need to bury the head and say everything is OKAY...

I don't have my head buried in the sand. It's just an idiotic position for those people to take, and it tells me they aren't worth listening to. Or, to put it another way....

At Patsfans.com, earlier this year, there was actually a thread where people were arguing that the team should keep Cassel and trade Brady. That thread immediately let me know who the biggest assclowns on the board were.

The notion that Croyle's going to beat out Cassel if Cassel's healthy isn't quite that retarded, but it's trying hard to achieve that status.

CosmicPal
08-18-2009, 08:48 PM
No job is safe in football. Unless Herm is your coach.

Count Alex's Wins
08-18-2009, 08:48 PM
Let's not forget that Herm is a quarterback's worst nightmare.

It IS possible Croyle might survive in the NFL given competent coaching + protection.

DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 08:49 PM
If Croyle and Thigpen could be traded, they should be. If that's not possible, they should be cut.

Both are about as useful as a gorgeous pair of tits on a bear.

DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 08:51 PM
Let's not forget that Herm is a quarterback's worst nightmare.

It IS possible Croyle might survive in the NFL given competent coaching + protection.

No, it's not.

That fragile sumbitch was hurt in his first camp when he fell over a lineman. Give me a ****ing break.

Secret Service couldn't protect his ass. ****ing coaching and line. What a joke.

Mecca
08-18-2009, 08:51 PM
Didn't Cassel have a horrible camp and preseason with NewEngland last year?

I had heard that he about got cut but who knows how true that is.

And anyway it's preseason no one should really be flipping out.

58kcfan89
08-18-2009, 08:51 PM
I didn't think it was possible, but my man-crush on Haley has now grown to man-love. Lost at the end of the article was this:

"I'm just worried about this house. It's on fire, and I'm trying to keep it from burning down."

No Favre crap, no sugarcoating, he pretty much said they suck. I love it.


As far as Cassel/Croyle/Thigpen goes, is Bowe running with the 1st team? Because if he's not, that would explain why Cassel isn't doing well in scrimmages... Maybe...

Reerun_KC
08-18-2009, 08:54 PM
I don't have my head buried in the sand. It's just an idiotic position for those people to take, and it tells me they aren't worth listening to. Or, to put it another way....

At Patsfans.com, earlier this year, there was actually a thread where people were arguing that the team should keep Cassel and trade Brady. That thread immediately let me know who the biggest assclowns on the board were.

The notion that Croyle's going to beat out Cassel if Cassel's healthy isn't quite that retarded, but it's trying hard to achieve that status.

Cassel was a 7th round draft choice for a reason.. I am hoping he is worth a shit, but wont be surprised if he is gone within 3-4 years as we continue to get better.

And no I dont think Croyle is the answer either, but neither is Mark Castle...

Just Passin' By
08-18-2009, 08:59 PM
Cassel was a 7th round draft choice for a reason.. I am hoping he is worth a shit, but wont be surprised if he is gone within 3-4 years as we continue to get better.

And no I dont think Croyle is the answer either, but neither is Mark Castle...

JFC, this shit again? Tom Brady was a 6th round choice for a reason. Joe Montana was a 3rd round choice for a reason. Everyone is a choice where they are taken for a reason. Ryan Leaf was a 1st round choice for a reason. Once you're drafted, it doesn't mean shit beyond your first contract numbers.

Cassel played well enough last year to get a very large contract. If he threw nothing but interceptions from today until the end of the exhibition season, he'd probably still be the opening day starter for the Chiefs.

Instead, he played the first exhibition games with receivers who aren't the starters, and put 4 of 5 passes into their hands. The receivers dropped 2 of the passes, making it look as if Cassel struggled. I'm pretty sure that Haley's got the tape and understands that.

Tribal Warfare
08-18-2009, 09:00 PM
I didn't think it was possible, but my man-crush on Haley has now grown to man-love.


Next comes the bromance

Mecca
08-18-2009, 09:00 PM
Well Cassel was playing on the most offensively talented team in the league..

This is to early to just be making snap judgments but at the same time it's not given that this will work out.

BigRock
08-18-2009, 09:02 PM
There should be a ban on all threads that spawn from an opinion of Kent Babb.

Just Passin' By
08-18-2009, 09:03 PM
Well Cassel was playing on the most offensively talented team in the league..

This is to early to just be making snap judgments but at the same time it's not given that this will work out.

I'm not arguing that. What Cassel does with the job once the season starts is a separate issue. I'm talking about the "Someone IS pushing Matt Cassel..." comments. The only way Croyle's going to start over Cassel is if he pulls a Tonya Harding and gets Cassel's knee whacked.

Of course, given Croyle's injury history, he'd probably break his throwing hand giving the thugs the cash for the job.

Mecca
08-18-2009, 09:06 PM
Yea if the Chiefs benched Cassel after he got that contract everyone would call the front office a bunch of babbling monkeys.

KCUnited
08-18-2009, 09:06 PM
There is certainly a disparaging lack of talent on this team, but it sounds like he is struggling with throws, something that has nothing to do with the lack of talent around him. That's whats troubling at this point in camp. But there's a ways to go yet.

DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 09:06 PM
From kcchiefs.com:

After giving himself a stranger earlier today, Croyle will miss the next two days of practice with a tendon strain. No word on if he'll be available on Friday.

Just Passin' By
08-18-2009, 09:07 PM
Yea if the Chiefs benched Cassel after he got that contract everyone would call the front office a bunch of babbling monkeys.

Exactly.

Count Alex's Wins
08-18-2009, 09:07 PM
From kcchiefs.com:

After giving himself a stranger earlier today, Croyle will miss the next two days of practice with a tendon strain. No word on if he'll be available on Friday.

Your posts have been exquisite lately.

I hear Croyle has those old-person shower pads. His career might be over if he slips in the shower.

CosmicPal
08-18-2009, 09:09 PM
From what I've heard thus far, it's not the quarterbacks that aren't throwing, it's the wide receivers who aren't catching.

JD10367
08-18-2009, 09:09 PM
Didn't Cassel have a horrible camp and preseason with NewEngland last year?

He did every year. As I said in another thread, if Cassel is just mediocre in camp it's an upgrade.

Reerun_KC
08-18-2009, 09:11 PM
JFC, this shit again? Tom Brady was a 6th round choice for a reason. Joe Montana was a 3rd round choice for a reason. Everyone is a choice where they are taken for a reason. Ryan Leaf was a 1st round choice for a reason. Once you're drafted, it doesn't mean shit beyond your first contract numbers.

Cassel played well enough last year to get a very large contract. If he threw nothing but interceptions from today until the end of the exhibition season, he'd probably still be the opening day starter for the Chiefs.

Instead, he played the first exhibition games with receivers who aren't the starters, and put 4 of 5 passes into their hands. The receivers dropped 2 of the passes, making it look as if Cassel struggled. I'm pretty sure that Haley's got the tape and understands that.

When Mark Castle wins the superbowl for KC, then we can celebrate...

Until then, some of us can with hold our expectations and realize he is nothing more than average with this weak ass talent around him...

JD10367
08-18-2009, 09:12 PM
JFC, this shit again? Tom Brady was a 6th round choice for a reason. Joe Montana was a 3rd round choice for a reason. Everyone is a choice where they are taken for a reason. Ryan Leaf was a 1st round choice for a reason. Once you're drafted, it doesn't mean shit beyond your first contract numbers.

Cassel played well enough last year to get a very large contract. If he threw nothing but interceptions from today until the end of the exhibition season, he'd probably still be the opening day starter for the Chiefs.

Instead, he played the first exhibition games with receivers who aren't the starters, and put 4 of 5 passes into their hands. The receivers dropped 2 of the passes, making it look as if Cassel struggled. I'm pretty sure that Haley's got the tape and understands that.

You deserve boatloads of rep.

And don't forget how many QBs went before Marino...

JD10367
08-18-2009, 09:13 PM
From kcchiefs.com:

After giving himself a stranger earlier today, Croyle will miss the next two days of practice with a tendon strain. No word on if he'll be available on Friday.

Wait. I sense a flaw in this logic. Doesn't the definition of a "stranger" require the use of your other hand? Thus, even if Croyle strained a muscle in that arm, I'd assume that's his non-throwing arm.

Maybe he strained a neck muscle? Ya know... tryin' to reach? :D

Just Passin' By
08-18-2009, 09:15 PM
When Mark Castle wins the superbowl for KC, then we can celebrate...

Until then, some of us can with hold our expectations and realize he is nothing more than average with this weak ass talent around him...

You're not 'realizing' anything. You're claiming without knowledge. Now, that's fine when it comes to Cassel's talent. You're more than welcome to form whatever opinion of that makes you feel better. However, this thread is not about Cassel's talent. It's about someone writing that Croyle is/may be pushing Cassel for the starting QB spot. They are two different issues.

Frazod
08-18-2009, 09:17 PM
We should trade Brokie before he explodes after his first sack.

luv
08-18-2009, 09:17 PM
If he wasn't so damned fragile! The kid is good.

DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 09:18 PM
Your posts have been exquisite lately.

I hear Croyle has those old-person shower pads. His career might be over if he slips in the shower.

Oh, sorry. Missed a tune, huh.

Let me apply your Croyle logic in another venue:

Mick Lathan COULD be a great journalist if he had some training and press credentials.

Convincing logic?

Frogs and wings, GoChiefs.

Mecca
08-18-2009, 09:19 PM
And of course something like that will flip people out the Chiefs have a ton riding on Cassel.

Count Alex's Wins
08-18-2009, 09:20 PM
So you're saying he's got talent...like Croyle....damn....

DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 09:20 PM
So you're saying he's got talent...like Croyle....damn....

Yes, very talented, minus the most important attributes.

B_Ambuehl
08-18-2009, 09:21 PM
This doesn't surprise me much. When you factor in his college career Croyle has played a whole lot more football than Cassell. He has a stronger arm and probably has more natural talent. I'd hazard he coulda done a pretty good job running New England's offense and probably would have quite a bit of success getting the ball deep to Moss. His problem is he just can't take a hit so you really can't start him regardless of how good he looks at times.

CosmicPal
08-18-2009, 09:21 PM
We should trade Brokie before he explodes after his first sack.

For what? Nobody would be interested, nor would they offer us anything better than a 7th round pick.

Frazod
08-18-2009, 09:24 PM
For what? Nobody would be interested, nor would they offer us anything better than a 7th round pick.

A 7th round pick would be better than a glass quarterback who can't make it thought a half of football without getting hurt.

Skip Towne
08-18-2009, 09:25 PM
Did WPI even send anyone to training camp?

Nope. GoChiefs told me they couldn't afford to go this year. Then I found out they lost their press credentials

Reerun_KC
08-18-2009, 09:26 PM
You're not 'realizing' anything. You're claiming without knowledge. Now, that's fine when it comes to Cassel's talent. You're more than welcome to form whatever opinion of that makes you feel better. However, this thread is not about Cassel's talent. It's about someone writing that Croyle is/may be pushing Cassel for the starting QB spot. They are two different issues.

If Croyle is pushing for the spot? What does that say about Castle's talent?

Castle signed a contract proving his talent, yet and injury prone QB is pressing him to play to his contract talent level?

Looks like the same issue to me, just how you want to precieve it...

DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 09:27 PM
For what? Nobody would be interested, nor would they offer us anything better than a 7th round pick.

Deal.

May I interest you in an athletic, well...the roster says he plays "quarterback"?

Simply Red
08-18-2009, 09:27 PM
tree-limb go snap,

listopencil
08-18-2009, 09:27 PM
"I'm just worried about this house. It's on fire, and I'm trying to keep it from burning down."


That's sig worthy. If I were a douche like Gochiefs I'd rush over to the Mane and make a thread based solely on that quote.

Silock
08-18-2009, 09:28 PM
Yea if the Chiefs benched Cassel after he got that contract everyone would call the front office a bunch of babbling monkeys.

Maybe they are.

Marcellus
08-18-2009, 09:30 PM
Amazing this comes up the day Croyle is pulled from practice for a while for screwing up.

CCU2000
08-18-2009, 09:31 PM
OK, cheap shot at Thigpen, but this is intriguing. At the very least it should serve up a huge plate of crow to ANYONE who ever bashed Croyle backers. The kid can flat PLAY. He ALWAYS had the ability.

If a miracle happens and he stays healthy...who knows?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/18/croyle-making-a-move-in-kansas-city/

Croyle making a move in Kansas City?

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 18, 2009 8:23 PM ET

Over the weekend, we almost wrote a post on Brodie Croyle appearing to pass Tyler Thigpen on Kansas City's quarterback depth chart. Ultimately, it didn't make the cut.

On Tuesday, Kansas City Star writer Kent Babb wrote that he thought Croyle was playing so well, "he's threatening [Matt] Cassel's job."

Now that's a post.

Babb's bold declaration (http://twitter.com/kb_kcstar/status/3391618543) -- on Twitter, not in the newspaper -- defies logic. Not only did the Chiefs trade for Cassel to be the starter, they handed him a huge contract only a month ago.

Seeing Cassel on the bench would be the most surprising development of a preseason in which Michael Vick became Donovan McNabb's teammate.

Then again, Chiefs coach Todd Haley didn't douse water on the notion Tuesday. Asked if Cassel has been the best quarterback in camp, Haley said: "I'll hold off on answering that."

We've read that Cassel has been inconsistent at times, but overall the reviews of his camp performance have been positive. Croyle played well in Kansas City's preseason opener, but it's hard to believe that would be enough to threaten Cassel.

It is clear, though, that Tyler Thigpen is the forgotten man in Kansas City. Babb wonders if Thigpen will even make the team. (http://twitter.com/kb_kcstar/status/3201621820)

It's also clear that Chiefs coach Todd Haley thinks his team needs some tough love after the Herm Edwards era. Asked Tuesday about Brett Favre's return, Haley turned the focus back inward.

"I'm just worried about this house. It's on fire, and I'm trying to keep it from burning down."

Your 2009 Kansas City Chiefs, ladies and gentlemen!



Babb just praised about Thigpen on saturday, aug. 15 on his twitter, wtf , his comment if thigpen would make the them is from aug. 8, morons!

Marcellus
08-18-2009, 09:31 PM
Maybe they are.

Can't be any worse than the last group of monkeys swinging from the rafters at 1 Arrowhead Drive.

Mecca
08-18-2009, 09:32 PM
Maybe they are.

It's quite possible.

DTLB58
08-18-2009, 09:32 PM
I didn't think it was possible, but my man-crush on Haley has now grown to man-love. Lost at the end of the article was this:



No Favre crap, no sugarcoating, he pretty much said they suck. I love it.


As far as Cassel/Croyle/Thigpen goes, is Bowe running with the 1st team? Because if he's not, that would explain why Cassel isn't doing well in scrimmages... Maybe...

He actually did comment on Favre, this is misleading because this reply is in response to a question they asked Todd about a question that was asked to Vrabel about a player showing up in the middle of camp and Vrable said I don't think that would go over well here. That's when Haley made his response above.

He answered the initial question about Favre with the norm, (not verbatim here) he is one of the best of all time, we had a lot of problems with him up there in the Meadow lands last year, so I don't have to good of memories watching him.

Mecca
08-18-2009, 09:33 PM
Babb just praised about Thigpen on saturday, aug. 15 on his twitter, wtf , his comment if thigpen would make the them is from aug. 8, morons!

Your avatar is either the funniest or saddest thing I have ever seen, I'm not sure which.

DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 09:33 PM
It's quite possible.

One of my favorite teams is already run by a dumbfuck. I'm hopeful it's not two.

LaChapelle
08-18-2009, 09:35 PM
It's going to be interesting next year. When there will be anywhere between 10-50 different people reporting from camp. You can bet there will just as many different opinions on the players. The "you must be blind" fights should be awesome.

Mecca
08-18-2009, 09:35 PM
One of my favorite teams is already run by a dumbfuck. I'm hopeful it's not two.

Hiring the "hot candidate" didn't work for the other team in town so....Personally Pioli wasn't my first choice so hey we'll see I guess.

DTLB58
08-18-2009, 09:36 PM
Amazing this comes up the day Croyle is pulled from practice for a while for screwing up.

That's what I was thinking while reading this.

But then Haley's comment after pulling him was "Come on, Brodie. We’ve got to be able to count on you.” I thought was different from the normal tearing down after a player screws up.

Count Alex's Wins
08-18-2009, 09:36 PM
....Personally Pioli wasn't my first choice so hey we'll see I guess.

Oh shit...Mecca is graduating from GM to OWNER.

When will they be inviting you to the owner's meetings in Miami?

dirk digler
08-18-2009, 09:37 PM
Yea if the Chiefs benched Cassel after he got that contract everyone would call the front office a bunch of babbling monkeys.

True but the one thing I learned listening to Pioli's interview is that they won't wait very long to make a move unlike Carl who held on for years

Count Alex's Wins
08-18-2009, 09:38 PM
Where the fuck is AutumnWind. He gave me tremendous amounts of shit over Croyle. NOW WHAT, BITCH?

Mecca
08-18-2009, 09:38 PM
Oh shit...Mecca is graduating from GM to OWNER.

When will they be inviting you to the owner's meetings in Miami?

Oh god not this argument.

Really there were plenty of people on this forum who preferred other guys to Pioli.

TRR
08-18-2009, 09:38 PM
The bottom line is that after 3 major knee surgeries, Croyle is NOT a starter in the NFL. He flat out can't stay healthy. He may look good when he knows the Defense can't hit him, but we all know he can't hold up for 8 games let alone 16 games in the NFL.

Hats off to Haley for utilizing the media wisely to generate some buzz about a competition. Haley did a great job using Thigpen as a ploy in the offseason/mini camp to create a worry in Cassel's mind, and now he uses Croyle to do the same.

Very smart...(But nothing more than that)...
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Marcellus
08-18-2009, 09:39 PM
That's what I was thinking while reading this.

But then Haley's comment after pulling him was "Come on, Brodie. We’ve got to be able to count on you.” I thought was different from the normal tearing down after a player screws up.

I did find that comment interesting. He may be a hard ass but it doesn't sound like he is just berating players. Pulling him and then basically telling him they are counting on him to do better doesn't sound like he is just being an asshole, he is making a point of accountability.

He is also giving Bowe props for improving and encouraging him even though he demoted him.

Just Passin' By
08-18-2009, 09:39 PM
If Croyle is pushing for the spot? What does that say about Castle's talent?

Castle signed a contract proving his talent, yet and injury prone QB is pressing him to play to his contract talent level?

Looks like the same issue to me, just how you want to precieve it...

Croyle's not pushing for a spot.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-18-2009, 09:41 PM
Croyle's not pushing for a spot.

Exactly.

Marcellus
08-18-2009, 09:41 PM
Croyle's not pushing for a spot.

Sure he is, the #2 QB spot.

Sure-Oz
08-18-2009, 10:00 PM
Heard Croyle really fucked up today and looked horrible....no one is pushing cassel even if he is sucking

KcMizzou
08-18-2009, 10:09 PM
Heard Croyle really ****ed up today and looked horrible....no one is pushing cassel even if he is suckingYeah, according to local radio... all our QBs look like ass. We're doomed.

But then, I've heard them hype everyone up before... and we were doomed then too.

Sure-Oz
08-18-2009, 10:10 PM
Yeah, according to local radio... all our QBs look like ass. We're doomed.

But then, I've heard them hype everyone up before... and we were doomed then too.

agreed....as iverson says "practice, practice?!"

Pioli Zombie
08-18-2009, 10:12 PM
They were talking about this on 610 today with Teicher.....they were all saying that Cassel hasn't looked good since the 1st week of camp and since the scrimmage he's gone downhill.
Ah well since 610 says so......
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DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 10:22 PM
Where the **** is AutumnWind. He gave me tremendous amounts of shit over Croyle. NOW WHAT, BITCH?

Now what? He still fucking sucks.

Would you like a preview for NOW WHAT, too?

KcMizzou
08-18-2009, 10:29 PM
About Cassel's performance in the game Saturday... (just throwing this out there.)

He threw five passes in pouring rain. I believe four of those were on 3rd down. (run, run, pass) Two were caught, two were dropped, one was just a bad pass. I don't believe we got to see nearly enough to judge him just yet. (Hell, I wouldn't start judging till maybe after mid-season... but it's what we do.)

He also had some lower level WRs out there to throw to. Maybe part of Haleys team concept... as much as motivating Bowe. (We have to be able to depend on every one of you... show me what you will do if you get a chance in a real game.)

I think everyone's jumping on Cassel too soon. It may be ugly for a while, but I think Haley honestly has a method behind his madness.

He seems to be pushing buttons with damn near every player on the team... Dwayne Bowe's and Matt Cassel are thinking, "Is this guy serious? I've gotta step it up, and keep my spot." Meanwhile the Terrance Coppers of the world are thinking, "Alright... this is my chance to impress."

Motivation in different ways... but it's still motivation.

RedThat
08-18-2009, 10:45 PM
Have faith!

I believe Cassel will do the job...He is going to start, none of this crap he is being pushed, they paid him a ton of dough, you damn bet the Chiefs are going to give him every opportunity to succeed.

He'll be fine, I think the kids got it. If anything, you guys should be listening to Len dawson. The best when it comes to discussing about football and if anything Len knows the QB position.

Len had the chance to catch up with Cassel, and a few things he said about him is that he is really smooth and extremely intellegent. He is always the first and last guy to leave at practice. Those are some good things right there.

milkman
08-18-2009, 11:08 PM
Your avatar is either the funniest or saddest thing I have ever seen, I'm not sure which.

Given that he actually thinks Thigpen should be starting, I'd vote for saddest.

milkman
08-18-2009, 11:12 PM
I can't wait to see that Croyle to Copper chemistry develop in the first game!

Chocolate Hog
08-18-2009, 11:15 PM
People believe everything they read

Tribal Warfare
08-18-2009, 11:17 PM
About Cassel's performance in the game Saturday... (just throwing this out there.)

He threw five passes in pouring rain. I believe four of those were on 3rd down. (run, run, pass) Two were caught, two were dropped, one was just a bad pass. I don't believe we got to see nearly enough to judge him just yet. (Hell, I wouldn't start judging till maybe after mid-season... but it's what we do.)

He also had some lower level WRs out there to throw to. Maybe part of Haleys team concept... as much as motivating Bowe. (We have to be able to depend on every one of you... show me what you will do if you get a chance in a real game.)

I think everyone's jumping on Cassel too soon. It may be ugly for a while, but I think Haley honestly has a method behind his madness.

He seems to be pushing buttons with damn near every player on the team... Dwayne Bowe's and Matt Cassel are thinking, "Is this guy serious? I've gotta step it up, and keep my spot." Meanwhile the Terrance Coppers of the world are thinking, "Alright... this is my chance to impress."

Motivation in different ways... but it's still motivation.

I also believe that Haley is trying to show Cassel that this isn't an all-pro receiving corps, and everything won't always be smooth sailing like it was with Moss and Welker. Haley must want see how Cassel will adapt, and wants to see how mentallly tough he is.

luv
08-18-2009, 11:19 PM
Now what? He still fucking sucks.

Would you like a preview for NOW WHAT, too?

How does he suck, other than getting injured easily?

DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 11:28 PM
How does he suck, other than getting injured easily?

That's it.

He cannot stay on the field, period. Because of this, I refuse to consider him an NFL player, and I really, really hope he's with another team soon so that I never have to hear his name mentioned again in a serious Chiefs conversation.

luv
08-18-2009, 11:30 PM
That's it.

He cannot stay on the field, period. Because of this, I refuse to consider him an NFL player, and I really, really hope he's with another team soon so that I never have to hear his name mentioned again in a serious Chiefs conversation.

I can see your point. No use in being good if you're never able to play. Too bad, really.

salame
08-18-2009, 11:31 PM
this belongs in the epic fail

DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 11:33 PM
I can see your point. No use in being good if you're never able to play. Too bad, really.

Exactly.

Chocolate Hog
08-18-2009, 11:39 PM
Croyle sucks cuz he's also inaccurate and on 3rd down he won't even throw it to the sticks.

luv
08-18-2009, 11:44 PM
Croyle sucks cuz he's also inaccurate and on 3rd down he won't even throw it to the sticks.

He drastically improved that in the short time he has played. The latter was a matter of play-calling, IMO.

Micjones
08-18-2009, 11:47 PM
This is silly...
Cassel's your starter...with a bullet.

Chocolate Hog
08-18-2009, 11:48 PM
He drastically improved that in the short time he has played. The latter was a matter of play-calling, IMO.

He did it the other night too. Wrght was able to run after the catch though.

luv
08-18-2009, 11:48 PM
I'm not saying anyone is pushing Cassel. I'm just saying that Croyle doesn't suck. Thought I'd make myself clear on that.

MoreLemonPledge
08-18-2009, 11:49 PM
I'm not saying anyone is pushing Cassel. I'm just saying that Croyle doesn't suck. Thought I'd make myself clear on that.

He doesn't suck. Never has. Just can't stay healthy.

KcMizzou
08-18-2009, 11:50 PM
He doesn't suck. Never has. Just can't stay healthy.Yeah. Honestly, I feel bad for the guy. Not his fault, really.

luv
08-18-2009, 11:52 PM
Yeah. Honestly, I feel bad for the guy. Not his fault, really.

Exactly. If we could focus on getting offensive linemen in there instead of trying to make a point to Bowe, I think we'd be better off.

Chocolate Hog
08-18-2009, 11:54 PM
6 Td's 8 picks and 0 wins as a starter. I guess he'd be an ok backup but these people saying he should be the starter shhhh.

KcMizzou
08-18-2009, 11:56 PM
Exactly. If we could focus on getting offensive linemen in there instead of trying to make a point to Bowe, I think we'd be better off.Eh... A better line won't change that fact that he's fragile. Quarterbacks get hit. There's no avoiding it.

I wish the guy the best, and I'd be thrilled to see him succeed as a starter, but the fact is... right now... you can't depend on him. Sucks, because the kid does seem to have talent.

mikey23545
08-19-2009, 03:33 AM
Hiring the "hot candidate" didn't work for the other team in town so....Personally Pioli wasn't my first choice so hey we'll see I guess.

Still can't believe they passed you over, huh?....

Von Dumbass
08-19-2009, 04:11 AM
if croyle wins the starters job id like everyone to know i led a good life with few regrets...

I don't see why it would be a bad thing if Haley starts the best QB. If Croyle is better than Cassel he should start.

I think Orton will have a big year, but if Simms beats him out and plays at a high level during the regular season I will be happy with it.

JohnnyV13
08-19-2009, 04:28 AM
What I don't understand is why Croyle hasn't gotten bigger knowing his durability weakness.

Heck, I'm a really small guy. I weighed 121lbs when I graduated high school. Two years later, I weighed 171 because I worked very hard in the gym.

Hell, I could gain more muscle mass if I were a professional athlete. And, I'm not doing anything exotic with supplements.

I understand he's in an NFL conditioning program and perhaps he's just a rather thin guy who's already maxed out his body, but if I were him, I'd be juiced to the gills with HgH. Its on the banned substance list, but they don't test for it. Of course, I wouldn't use mega doses because that can be very bad if you have unknown tumors: in that case, HgH stimulates tumor growth.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-19-2009, 07:35 AM
I think Croyle has one of the five best arms in the NFL. He has the kind of arm that is truly impressive in person. He has a better arm that the beloved Sanchez. He has a better arm than Alex Smith. He has a better arm than Leinart. He has an arm comparable to Cutler, or even Elway or Favre in their prime. Not quite as good, but would definitely give those guys a run for their money.

I think Croyle has a ton of leadership. I think Croyle has a ton of mobility.

About the only things that Croyle doesn't have are experience and durability.

Here lies the problem.... he won't get much experience if he can't last more than a half of a football game....

Some of it is just bad luck.... and bad offensive lines.

In reality, he is too tough for his own good. He will stand in the pocket in the face of a strong rush to deliver the ball. He will run for yardage and take the hits.

The guy has come back from so many injuries. He is like a boxer who just keeps getting up.... when so many of us... (Me included),by now would have just hung em' up.

I admire his resolve. I think it is unfortunate that the most talented QB in Chiefs camp right now is also the one that can't be counted on.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-19-2009, 07:41 AM
For the record, Cassel struggled in last year's camp too.

I would be lying if I said it didn't concern me.... but I am not willing to panic just yet.

If Cassel is a bust, I will be more dissapointed in Pioli than anything else. Pioli was with this guy for a few years. I know that you can never 'know' how a guy will respond to a new situation, new contract, and being 'the' guy.... but the main reason I supported the move for Cassel was because Pioli and Johs McDaniels both really wanted the kid.

That spoke volumes to me. I will be dissapointed in Pioli if this kid doesn't work out.

EyePod
08-19-2009, 07:55 AM
They were talking about this on 610 today with Teicher.....they were all saying that Cassel hasn't looked good since the 1st week of camp and since the scrimmage he's gone downhill.

I would love Brodie (and I think anyone else would) if he could just stay goddamned healthy.

This is just making your day....now you can bash all THREE Chiefs quarterbacks for some reason.

SANCHEZ!

I got sick of the Sanchez bs too, but Mecca was actually juts relaying news. He didn't even mention an opinion. Who would you rather Mecca, Croyle or Cassel? I mean, there's so much money invested in Cassel right now... I wish we didn't sign him to a bigger deal. I'd rather we had just pay him the 1 year and see how it panned out...

Oh god not this argument.

Really there were plenty of people on this forum who preferred other guys to Pioli.

I never heard of those people, and I can't see a reason (other than hating anything from Patriot Nation) for not wanting the best available.

Tuckdaddy
08-19-2009, 08:22 AM
I think Croyle has one of the five best arms in the NFL. He has the kind of arm that is truly impressive in person. He has a better arm that the beloved Sanchez. He has a better arm than Alex Smith. He has a better arm than Leinart. He has an arm comparable to Cutler, or even Elway or Favre in their prime. Not quite as good, but would definitely give those guys a run for their money.

I think Croyle has a ton of leadership. I think Croyle has a ton of mobility.

About the only things that Croyle doesn't have are experience and durability.

Here lies the problem.... he won't get much experience if he can't last more than a half of a football game....

Some of it is just bad luck.... and bad offensive lines.

In reality, he is too tough for his own good. He will stand in the pocket in the face of a strong rush to deliver the ball. He will run for yardage and take the hits.

The guy has come back from so many injuries. He is like a boxer who just keeps getting up.... when so many of us... (Me included),by now would have just hung em' up.

I admire his resolve. I think it is unfortunate that the most talented QB in Chiefs camp right now is also the one that can't be counted on.

This ia great analogy. If he had the physical make up to be a starter he would be great. His arm is a cannon with a quick release and he can survey the field but his body can't take any punishment.

penguinz
08-19-2009, 08:26 AM
What I don't understand is why Croyle hasn't gotten bigger knowing his durability weakness.

Heck, I'm a really small guy. I weighed 121lbs when I graduated high school. Two years later, I weighed 171 because I worked very hard in the gym.

Hell, I could gain more muscle mass if I were a professional athlete. And, I'm not doing anything exotic with supplements.

I understand he's in an NFL conditioning program and perhaps he's just a rather thin guy who's already maxed out his body, but if I were him, I'd be juiced to the gills with HgH. Its on the banned substance list, but they don't test for it. Of course, I wouldn't use mega doses because that can be very bad if you have unknown tumors: in that case, HgH stimulates tumor growth.ROFL

BigRedChief
08-19-2009, 08:26 AM
How does he suck, other than getting injured easily?
correct. He can have all the talent in the world but if he can't stay on the field, why does it matter? You can't count on the guy. An a NFL QB, a successful QB must be able to be counted on, be consistent.

milkman
08-19-2009, 08:27 AM
I never heard of those people, and I can't see a reason (other than hating anything from Patriot Nation) for not wanting the best available.

When you say you never heard of those people, are you saying you didn't see anyone else who would have preferred a different GM hire (like myself and OnTheWarpath), or that you never heard of Eric Decosta or George KoKinus?

CHIEFS58
08-19-2009, 08:40 AM
good grief...its a brand new system. its gonna take some time. we cant win the super bowl overnight. its gonna take work and a year or two to get better. everyone needs to take their expectations down about 20 pegs. its just not going to happen.

the Talking Can
08-19-2009, 08:44 AM
Kent Babb is freaking clueless.

Listening to him on 810 and he can't tell you anything even after being at camp all this time. He just dogs on everyone Teicher style as a way of hiding his complete lack of insight.

Could the star hire more miserable bastards?

milkman
08-19-2009, 08:46 AM
Kent Babb is freaking clueless.

Listening to him on 810 and he can't tell you anything even after being at camp all this time. He just dogs on everyone Teicher style as a way of hiding his complete lack of insight.

Could the star hire more miserable bastards?

Claythan and Nick.

Otter
08-19-2009, 08:52 AM
Yeah, according to local radio... all our QBs look like ass. We're doomed.

But then, I've heard them hype everyone up before... and we were doomed then too.

I'm watching this season with low expectations. Scott Pioli and crew are taking over a very, very bad team and it's gonna take time to rebuild and get the Herm Edwards stank off. Anyone who thinks otherwise is setting themselves up for heartache.

Thoughts on this thread:
1. I'd love to see Brodie make #2 on the depth chart
2. Our QBs are throwing to a patch work WR corp, neither is going to look good

Everyone's mind set right now should be "future" and "re-build".

the Talking Can
08-19-2009, 08:58 AM
I'm watching this season with low expectations. Scott Pioli and crew are taking over a very, very bad team and it's gonna take time to rebuild and get the Herm Edwards stank off. Anyone who thinks otherwise is setting themselves up for heartache.

Thoughts on this thread:
1. I'd love to see Brodie make #2 on the depth chart
2. Our QBs are throwing to a patch work WR corp, neither is going to look good

Everyone's mind set right now should be "future" and "re-build".

dare I say "rebuilding, get over it"

splatbass
08-19-2009, 09:14 AM
He doesn't suck. Never has. Just can't stay healthy.

With good conditioning and a decent OL he might be ok. Herm had a history of QB injuries, I'd lay some of the blame on him.

HemiEd
08-19-2009, 09:26 AM
And anyway it's preseason no one should really be flipping out.

I agree, and I am one of the guys that stood by Brodie last season.

But, I am not going to get too excited, until he shows he can get back up, after being clobbered by a couple guys getting revenge for Brady.

BigMeatballDave
08-19-2009, 09:56 AM
Sure, lets start the season with Croyle. Then Cassel can finish the season during the 2nd quarter of that 1st game.

BigMeatballDave
08-19-2009, 10:00 AM
If Croyle and Thigpen could be traded, they should be. If that's not possible, they should be cut.

Both are about as useful as a gorgeous pair of tits on a bear.ROFL

Brock
08-19-2009, 10:00 AM
It would be KC's luck for Croyle to turn into Rich Gannon with a live arm.

BigMeatballDave
08-19-2009, 10:04 AM
Cassel was a 7th round draft choice for a reason.. I am hoping he is worth a shit, but wont be surprised if he is gone within 3-4 years as we continue to get better.

And no I dont think Croyle is the answer either, but neither is Mark Castle...Come on, dude. You are smarter than this. :doh!:

BigMeatballDave
08-19-2009, 10:09 AM
When Mark Castle wins the superbowl for KC, then we can celebrate...

Until then, some of us can with hold our expectations and realize he is nothing more than average with this weak ass talent around him...I want to win the SB too. You can't put that on Cassel if he doesn't. There are other factors at play. Do you blame Green for not going all the way in '03?

Chiefnj2
08-19-2009, 10:10 AM
Croyle is one of the most frustrating players to watch as a fan. Great arm strength, accurate, seems smart. But man, he takes a single hit and you might as well flip a coin as to whether he's going to get up or not.

The Chiefs need to find a durable pocket passer for the backup spot.

BigMeatballDave
08-19-2009, 10:13 AM
Yes, very talented, minus the most important attributes.Like being able to stand upright for 4 quarters?

Otter
08-19-2009, 10:14 AM
dare I say "rebuilding, get over it"

At your own risk

BigMeatballDave
08-19-2009, 10:25 AM
That's it.

He cannot stay on the field, period. Because of this, I refuse to consider him an NFL player, and I really, really hope he's with another team soon so that I never have to hear his name mentioned again in a serious Chiefs conversation.Can Kelly stay?

BigMeatballDave
08-19-2009, 10:28 AM
Yeah. Honestly, I feel bad for the guy. Not his fault, really.Yep. He was just not meant to play football.

BigMeatballDave
08-19-2009, 10:34 AM
Still can't believe they passed you over, huh?....ROFL

BigMeatballDave
08-19-2009, 10:35 AM
I don't see why it would be a bad thing if Haley starts the best QB. If Croyle is better than Cassel he should start.

I think Orton will have a big year, but if Simms beats him out and plays at a high level during the regular season I will be happy with it.Fuck off. You're retarded.

HemiEd
08-19-2009, 10:40 AM
Yeah. Honestly, I feel bad for the guy. Not his fault, really.

Let me see, he is in his early 20s, gets paid millions to hold a clip board, and is married to Kelly.

It is really pretty hard for me to scrape up too much sympathy for the guy. :D

Mr. Flopnuts
08-19-2009, 10:44 AM
I don't see why it would be a bad thing if Haley starts the best QB. If Croyle is better than Cassel he should start.

I think Orton will have a big year, but if Simms beats him out and plays at a high level during the regular season I will be happy with it.

I wouldn't care which one my team's backup qbs started either.