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memyselfI
08-19-2009, 12:12 PM
In less than a year. Impressive. I bet he's in the 30's for approval rating this time next year.

ROFL

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26262.html

Democratic Party ratings plummet


By ANDY BARR | 8/19/09 2:08 PM EDT

The percentage of Americans who hold a favorable view of the Dem Party has slipped below 50 percent.


The percentage of Americans who hold a favorable view of the Democratic Party has slipped below 50 percent for the first time since President Barack Obama took office, according to a new Pew Research Center poll released Wednesday.

Only 49 percent of Americans now hold a favorable view of the Democratic Party, down from 62 percent in the same poll shortly after Obama assumed office. Democratic favorable ratings hovered around 60 percent as recently as April, when 59 percent of those polled held a favorable view.

The national survey of 2,010 adults conducted Aug. 11-17 also found that 51 percent of Americans approve of Obama’s job performance with 37 percent disapproving. Independents split 45 percent-43 percent in approving of the president’s performance.

While Democratic numbers have plunged, the GOP has yet to see any uptick among voters. Only 40 percent of those polled held a favorable view of the Republican Party, a number which Pew noted “has not changed all year.”

In addition, a growing number of Americans believe Obama and Republican leaders are not working together to address the problems facing the nation. Nearly two-thirds (63 percent) think the two groups are not working together, compared to 50 percent in June.

The number of Americans who blame Obama for not working with GOP leaders is also on the rise. Among those polled, 17 percent blamed the president, up from 12 percent in June. But even more (29 percent) held GOP leaders responsible for not working together, up from 26 percent in February.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26262.html#ixzz0OebTXDHE

thecoffeeguy
08-19-2009, 12:19 PM
2010 elections are going to be a barnburner.

RINGLEADER
08-19-2009, 03:51 PM
You look at some of these polls and Obama has lost a net 40+ points since he was sworn in...in only seven months(!?!).....

KC Dan
08-19-2009, 04:10 PM
2010 elections are going to be a barnburner.I wouldn't bet on it. The fed has pumped so much money into the economy that an economic turnaround is almost assured. If it does by mid-next year and unemployment reduces 1% or 2%, look out because we Americans are like elephants in that there isn't a whole lot of memory going on and the familiar face will be credited with the turnaround.

pikesome
08-19-2009, 04:42 PM
I wouldn't bet on it. The fed has pumped so much money into the economy that an economic turnaround is almost assured. If it does by mid-next year and unemployment reduces 1% or 2%, look out because we Americans are like elephants in that there isn't a whole lot of memory going on and the familiar face will be credited with the turnaround.

Depends on this HC question. When we were arguing about this issue a year plus ago on CP there were strong opinions on both sides but, it seemed, a small number of concerned people. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore. There are plenty of ways for HC to get done without aggravating people but I'm not sure the Dems haven't already shot themselves in the foot. It's a question that won't be answered until the next election most likely.

Calcountry
08-19-2009, 04:52 PM
In less than a year. Impressive. I bet he's in the 30's for approval rating this time next year.

ROFL

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26262.html

Please explain this term "lite". Is it because he is lite skinned, or, are you stupid enough to believe that Obama is Bush lite?

Calcountry
08-19-2009, 04:53 PM
Please explain this term "lite". Is it because he is lite skinned, or, are you stupid enough to believe that Obama is Bush lite?I believe, and I am a staunch conseravative, that Bush was a liberal, and Hillary is more conservative than Obama, how does that square with your world view.

No, I get it, Hillary is "lite". She's lite a pair of balls, and that's it.

RNR
08-19-2009, 04:56 PM
I wouldn't bet on it. The fed has pumped so much money into the economy that an economic turnaround is almost assured. If it does by mid-next year and unemployment reduces 1% or 2%, look out because we Americans are like elephants in that there isn't a whole lot of memory going on and the familiar face will be credited with the turnaround.

Spending money we do not have to rebuild the economy will fester with inflation, cap and trade type bullshit will come back to bite us. We are sitting on our ass and limiting the use of our natural resources while the rest of the powers are building up and rolling their eyes at our feeble attempt to save the world. For those dying to cheer Obamas fall just remember it is us who is going to suffer not him. Some where Jimmy Carter has a shit eating grin on his face knowing compared to Obama he was a great President.

Calcountry
08-19-2009, 06:03 PM
Spending money we do not have to rebuild the economy will fester with inflation, cap and trade type bullshit will come back to bite us. We are sitting on our ass and limiting the use of our natural resources while the rest of the powers are building up and rolling their eyes at our feeble attempt to save the world. For those dying to cheer Obamas fall just remember it is us who is going to suffer not him. Some where Jimmy Carter has a shit eating grin on his face knowing compared to Obama he was a great President.Inflation is already happening, the costs of my dog food have went up over 30 % since last year on some brands.

Gas is pushing 3 bucks AGAIN, despite the recession. Let's see how much the stock market likes inflation.

banyon
08-19-2009, 06:23 PM
Please explain this term "lite". Is it because he is lite skinned, or, are you stupid enough to believe that Obama is Bush lite?

It's the latter.

memyselfI
08-20-2009, 03:25 PM
And so it begins...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0809/Charlie_Cook_Dem_situation_has_slipped_completely_out_of_control.html

oldandslow
08-20-2009, 03:56 PM
Obama has run to the right/center so quickly on most issues that he has made many progressive's head spin. I know most of you on the right see him as the reincarnation of Marx, but truth be told he is Bush lite.

Died in the wool Progressives dislike him as much as true conservatives do.

oldandslow
08-20-2009, 03:58 PM
Inflation is already happening, the costs of my dog food have went up over 30 % since last year on some brands.

Gas is pushing 3 bucks AGAIN, despite the recession. Let's see how much the stock market likes inflation.

Stock market tends to rise in inflationary times. Indeed, it is often at the heart.

BucEyedPea
08-20-2009, 03:59 PM
Inflation is already happening, the costs of my dog food have went up over 30 % since last year on some brands.

Gas is pushing 3 bucks AGAIN, despite the recession. Let's see how much the stock market likes inflation.

And it's gonna get worse! When the dollar worsens in particular due to the inflation. Food is soaring. But there's a shortage of farmland too while the world's population explodes.

oldandslow
08-20-2009, 04:02 PM
And it's gonna get worse! When the dollar worsens in particular due to the inflation. Food is soaring. But there's a shortage of farmland too while the world's population explodes.

Yep.

memyselfI
08-20-2009, 04:02 PM
Obama has run to the right/center so quickly on most issues that he has made many progressive's head spin. I know most of you on the right see him as the reincarnation of Marx, but truth be told he is Bush lite.

Died in the wool Progressives dislike him as much as true conservatives do.

ding, ding, ding!!!! But I can't tell you how many progressives I know who are hanging on for dear life lest they admit they were wrong about him. Like somehow that is more dreadful than accepting reality.

KC Dan
08-20-2009, 04:07 PM
ding, ding, ding!!!! But I can't tell you how many progressives I know who are hanging on for dear life lest they admit they were wrong about him. Like somehow that is more dreadful than accepting reality.It was the same for conservatives that hung on for Bush. Exactly the same.

banyon
08-20-2009, 04:25 PM
ding, ding, ding!!!! But I can't tell you how many progressives I know who are hanging on for dear life lest they admit they were wrong about him. Like somehow that is more dreadful than accepting reality.

You were supporting Hillary Clinton for f*cks sake.

memyselfI
08-20-2009, 05:17 PM
You were supporting Hillary Clinton for f*cks sake.

She wasn't trying to pass herself off as a raging progressive or, worse, had a history of being one only to deny it and run to the center for political expediency sake. We knew what we were getting with her. One of my biggest beefs with Lite was he was an unknown and there for a big fat assed risk.

Looks like I might have nailed it.

banyon
08-20-2009, 06:57 PM
She wasn't trying to pass herself off as a raging progressive or, worse, had a history of being one only to deny it and run to the center for political expediency sake. We knew what we were getting with her. One of my biggest beefs with Lite was he was an unknown and there for a big fat assed risk.

Looks like I might have nailed it.

What do you think would have been different then with Hillary instead of Obama?

And you most certainly didn't "nail it" your rationale for being spitefully Anti-Obama was vague and ethereal and changed based on your mood.

jAZ
08-20-2009, 09:58 PM
She wasn't trying to pass herself off as a raging progressive or, worse, had a history of being one only to deny it and run to the center for political expediency sake. We knew what we were getting with her. One of my biggest beefs with Lite was he was an unknown and there for a big fat assed risk.

Looks like I might have nailed it.

You are so dishonest. It's remarkable.

jAZ
08-20-2009, 10:08 PM
I love doing this...

(Hilary) is against the (Iraq) occupation and that is a strong point in her favor.
Well, it would be if she had been from the beginning. But she was all to willing to jump on board the war train and only when it derailed did she start saying she wasn't really that interested in the ride in the first place. :shake:

...

Hillary is being politically pragmatic. I hate that about something so important as this issue.

Hence, my vote would liekly go to McCain. He IS socially liberal, if not more, than Hillary and I think he would do more to unite the country than divide it. And God knows after DUHbya we will need that...

memyselfI
08-21-2009, 06:35 AM
What do you think would have been different then with Hillary instead of Obama?

And you most certainly didn't "nail it" your rationale for being spitefully Anti-Obama was vague and ethereal and changed based on your mood.

Not much, in reality. But then the long term damage to the party would have been less. And the subsequent long term damage to the country would not have happened at all. Te Republicans would have had a harder time painting her as a socialist and the divide between the blue dogs and progressives in the Democratic party would have not been an enormous obstacle to her like they are with Lite.

My rationale for being anti-Lite was multi-faceted based on an number of factors and in the end sealed on instinct and gut.

memyselfI
08-21-2009, 06:38 AM
I love doing this...

The Iraq issue ended up costing her didn't it? The far left could not forgive her for the vote even though she voted the same as Lite once he was in Congress. They both played politics with the war. The difference is that Hillary was not trying to pretend she was something else.