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HolyHandgernade
08-20-2009, 12:47 PM
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BucEyedPea
08-20-2009, 12:50 PM
Conservatives are the original liberals....the classical liberals like our Founders.

Conservatives have never been leftists. Please use accurate definitions. Today's liberals are illiberal. They are socialists or for more state control over our lives and property.

Oh and Bill O'Reilly is not a conservative.

HolyHandgernade
08-20-2009, 12:55 PM
pssst....it's comedy

BucEyedPea
08-20-2009, 01:03 PM
We all know that comedy has truth in it. Don't hide what you really mean under comic effect, Mr. Passive Aggressive.
I should update my Brownshirt smiley by adding a flower on the lapel.

HolyHandgernade
08-20-2009, 01:12 PM
You actually neg reped me for that and called me an ass! Oh my God! You have got to be the most thin skinned paranoid person I have ever met in my life. ROFL

blaise
08-20-2009, 01:25 PM
As usual, Stewart seems to believe the hypocrisy only goes in one direction. Strange that I don't remember seeing any of these type of bits showing liberals engaging in this type of behavior for the last 4 years while lamenting it now. It's not as if he couldn't basically do the same bit in the opposite direction, but he chooses not to.
Surprise, surprise. That's pretty much why I stopped watching.

HolyHandgernade
08-20-2009, 02:51 PM
As usual, Stewart seems to believe the hypocrisy only goes in one direction. Strange that I don't remember seeing any of these type of bits showing liberals engaging in this type of behavior for the last 4 years while lamenting it now. It's not as if he couldn't basically do the same bit in the opposite direction, but he chooses not to.
Surprise, surprise. That's pretty much why I stopped watching.

Actually, they did, on two separate occasions. He had one commentary where he told people comparing Bush to Hitler to stop, and said something to the effect of, "You know who was like Hitler? Hitler!"

On another episode, they went and lampooned the Pink Ladies who were picketing a new Marine Recruitment center in Berkely. The Pinks were talking about how they were dedicated to "freedom and rights, etc." to which the correspondent (a former Marine) said, "If only there was an organization dedicated to defending those things."

I think what the story shows is that the fringe aspects actually operate from the same core belief structure. How those structures manifest and the expression they take may be very different and even appear opposed to one another, but the pattern is the same. Just like most of the revealed religions, the core structure is the same, they just manifest different expressions such as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

I think the only ones that are offended by it are the ones who see themselves mirrored by its exposure and try to rationalize the hypocrisy of the expressions.

-HH

penchief
08-20-2009, 04:25 PM
Conservatives are the original liberals....the classical liberals like our Founders.

Conservatives have never been leftists. Please use accurate definitions. Today's liberals are illiberal. They are socialists or for more state control over our lives and property.

Oh and Bill O'Reilly is not a conservative.

I am more of a classical liberal than you will ever be. That said, I do agree in many ways that a true conservative is more closely aligned with a true liberal than with the right wing. I have said as much many times on this board. I am conservative on a lot of issues. There is nothing conservative about the reactionary nature of the right wing.

There is nothing conservative about resisting pragmatic change, or about the military industrial complex, or environmental degradation for the sake of corporate profit, or aggressive war, or the winner-take-all Darwinian economic mentality of Wall Street. There is nothing conservative about placing corporate greed above the welfare of a country or a society.

Your definitions and labels are not based in reality. They are a systematic attempt to deflect blame from your failed narrow ideology and assign sinister motives to ideals that you oppose. Often times by distorting the truth and rewriting history. Liberals are no more evil than conservatives. Both have legitimate points of view that when taken together have done much to advance the cause of humankind.

orange
08-20-2009, 04:40 PM
"... I've been on food stamps and welfare... did anyone help me? No...."

ROFL