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orange
08-20-2009, 02:18 PM
The bushback should start any minute:

Tom Ridge: I Was Pressured To Raise Terror Alert To Help Bush Win
The Huffington Post | Rachel Weiner
First Posted: 08-20-09 11:20 AM | Updated: 08-20-09 11:54 AM

In a new book, former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge reveals new details on politicization under President Bush, reports US News & World Report's Paul Bedard. Among other things, Ridge admits that he was pressured to raise the terror alert to help Bush win re-election in 2004.

Ridge was never invited to sit in on National Security Council meetings; was "blindsided" by the FBI in morning Oval Office meetings because the agency withheld critical information from him; found his urgings to block Michael Brown from being named head of the emergency agency blamed for the Hurricane Katrina disaster ignored; and was pushed to raise the security alert on the eve of President Bush's re-election, something he saw as politically motivated and worth resigning over.

Dave Weigel, writing for the Washington Independent, notes that in the past, Ridge has denied manipulating security information for political reasons. In 2004, for example, he said, "We don't do politics in the Department of Homeland Security."

The Bush administration was forced to admit in the days after the 2004 alert that it was based on intelligence three or four years old. Officials then claimed there was a previously unmentioned "separate stream of intelligence" that justified the warning -- but offered little tangible information to support their new story..

ThinkProgress recalls, the AP reported that "even 'some senior Republicans' privately questioned Ridge's timing of a terror alert that came just three days after the Democratic National Convention."

Ridge's book, "The Test of Our Times: America Under Siege...and How We Can Be Safe Again," comes out September 1.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/tom-ridge-i-was-pressured_n_264127.html


[edit] The full USNews blog entry:

Tom Ridge on National Security After 9/11
August 19, 2009 04:58 PM ET
By Paul Bedard, Washington Whispers

Tom Ridge, the first head of the 9/11-inspired Department of Homeland Security, wasn't keen on writing a tell-all. But in The Test of Our Times: America Under Siege...and How We Can Be Safe Again, out September 1, Ridge says he wants to shake "public complacency" over security. And to do that, well, he needs to tell all. Especially about the infighting he saw that frustrated his attempts to build a smooth-running department. Among the headlines promoted by publisher Thomas Dunne Books: Ridge was never invited to sit in on National Security Council meetings; was "blindsided" by the FBI in morning Oval Office meetings because the agency withheld critical information from him; found his urgings to block Michael Brown from being named head of the emergency agency blamed for the Hurricane Katrina disaster ignored; and was pushed to raise the security alert on the eve of President Bush's re-election, something he saw as politically motivated and worth resigning over.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/08/19/tom-ridge-on-national-security-after-911.html

jAZ
08-20-2009, 02:30 PM
No shit.

I don't see how anyone who spent any time trying to defend the Bush Administration from people who pointed out the obvious political tactics and lies like this... should be given any credibility what so ever now.

Those 8 years were a massive FAIL for both the Bush Administration, the GOP (and as a result America overall)... but in particular the long list of GOP hacks who went to any length to rationalize even the most obvious lies and political bullshit.

Those are much the same group of people who are welconing the endless lies being put forward about healthcare today.

They should all be summarily ignored both here in DC and in real life.

F-them all.

Chiefshrink
08-20-2009, 05:14 PM
Ridge is a spineless moderate Republican who is being used right now by the 'left' to draw attention away from this "Healthscare:eek:Obamination bill" that is 'massively' failing and also exposing Obama's serious lack of leadership in his own party.:rolleyes:

Taco John
08-20-2009, 05:45 PM
Let's see someone go to jail for this (if it's true).

Chiefshrink
08-20-2009, 05:54 PM
They should all be summarily ignored both here in DC and in real life.

And pretty much why your threads and comments are ignored because 'people' want the truth and not propaganda BS that can't be defended.

If I were a betting man I would guess that as many as 1/2 of the 'whites' in this country who voted for "PeeBO" now see that they got "hoodwinked". I assure you all of "O's" Hope and change is NOT what they expected nor voted for this last election. "O" was significantly helped by the majority liberal media by not asking "O" to specifically define in detail his 'change' and all the 'platitudes' he continually used during the campaign.

Matter of fact, I will be sooooooooooooooo bold to say if the Press DID their job "O" would not have won and the Press knew this because America is still center right regardless of the "slick suave smooth talkin brother" demeanor. They had to cover for him and still do to this moment.

The majority of blacks who voted for 'O'(98% I'm guessing)really don't care about all this change because "O" is symbolic for them and that is all that matters at this point and I get that. Sadly though they will soon realize all his policies if continued and passed will f them over even more.:doh!:

Apparently you approve of everything he is doing. I can only conclude that you are a "Marxist" or you are still smoking dope with "O"' at the last townhall mtg I saw you at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TptsP4ryido

WoodDraw
08-20-2009, 06:22 PM
First, I'll second the "no shit?" response.

But, anyone else getting sick of people coming "clean" years after it matters, in a book they're making money off of?

stevieray
08-20-2009, 06:30 PM
F-them all.

this is amusing.

Hydrae
08-20-2009, 06:31 PM
First, I'll second the "no shit?" response.

But, anyone else getting sick of people coming "clean" years after it matters, in a book they're making money off of?

And making sure it has enough "wow" stuff to get the media to promote it for them like this. Whether the "wow" stuff is true or not could well be another matter (not saying it is just suggesting the possibility).

chiefzilla1501
08-20-2009, 07:44 PM
No shit.

I don't see how anyone who spent any time trying to defend the Bush Administration from people who pointed out the obvious political tactics and lies like this... should be given any credibility what so ever now.

Those 8 years were a massive FAIL for both the Bush Administration, the GOP (and as a result America overall)... but in particular the long list of GOP hacks who went to any length to rationalize even the most obvious lies and political bullshit.

Those are much the same group of people who are welconing the endless lies being put forward about healthcare today.

They should all be summarily ignored both here in DC and in real life.

F-them all.

Are you fucking serious? Have you not been paying attention to the polls that show Obama is losing major support from independents? Independents HATED bush and a good chunk of them voted for Obama. Myself included. And a good chunk of us HATE the health care proposal and it has nothing to do with extremist protesters and it has nothing to do with party affiliation.

You are another example of a leftist who is blind to the fact that this is not just a few Republicans shouting. The dissent is not just GOP, it is also largely voters who voted for Obama.

patteeu
08-21-2009, 07:53 AM
So let me get this straight. This thread is about a Talking Points Memo flunkie's interpretation of a book that hasn't been released yet from a guy who wasn't even plugged in to the national security inner circle? Forgive me if I wait to see just what Ridge really says and assess it without the interference of a liberal interpreter.

For now though, I can agree with WoodDraw on this:

... anyone else getting sick of people coming "clean" years after it matters, in a book they're making money off of?

Whether it's a case of failing to matter when it mattered or lying to make a buck, it's not very admirable.

dirk digler
08-21-2009, 08:07 AM
So let me get this straight. This thread is about a Talking Points Memo flunkie's interpretation of a book that hasn't been released yet from a guy who wasn't even plugged in to the national security inner circle? Forgive me if I wait to see just what Ridge really says and assess it without the interference of a liberal interpreter.

For now though, I can agree with WoodDraw on this:



Whether it's a case of failing to matter when it mattered or lying to make a buck, it's not very admirable.

Actually it is on his publishers website promoting the book

According to promotional materials for Ridge’s coming book, “The Test of Our Times: America Under Siege…And How We Can Be Safe Again,” the ex-homeland security secretary and governor of Pennsylvania accuses the Bush White House of pushing him to “raise the national security alert just before the 2004 Election.”

A description for the book on the publisher’s website also says Ridge “was pressured to connect homeland security to the international ‘war on terror’” and that he “pushed for a plan (defeated because of turf wars) to integrate DHS and FEMA disaster management in New Orleans and other areas before Hurricane Katrina.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26313.html#ixzz0OpHDG1iP


I do admit I am kind of surprised that Ridge was left out of national security meetings. It would seem to me that would be something he should be a part of.

orange
08-21-2009, 08:10 AM
So let me get this straight. This thread is about a Talking Points Memo flunkie's interpretation of a book that hasn't been released yet from a guy who wasn't even plugged in to the national security inner circle? Forgive me if I wait to see just what Ridge really says and assess it without the interference of a liberal interpreter.

The Test of Our Times : America Under Siege...and How We Can Be Safe Again (Hardcover)
by Tom Ridge and Lary Bloom

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When our nation called, Tom Ridge answered. Appointed by the President to head up domestic security, Ridge established the Department of Homeland Security. In this probing and surefooted memoir, Ridge takes us through the challenges he and his new department faced, including Anthrax scares and reports (both real and false alarms) of new Al-Qaeda operations sprouting up in the United States. A "law and order" Republican who was on the shortlist to be John McCain's running mate in 2008, Ridge writes with refreshing candor on both the successes and missteps of the DHS. He details the obstacles faced in his new post--often within the administration itself--as well as the failures of Congress to provide for critical homeland security needs, and the irresponsible use of terrorism by both parties to curry favors with voters. Ridge also reveals: - How the DHS was pressured to connect homeland security to the international "war on terror" - How Ridge effectively thwarted a plan to raise the national security alert just before the 2004 Election- How Ridge had pushed for a plan (defeated because of turf wars) to integrate DHS and FEMA disaster management in New Orleans and other areas "before" Hurricane Katrina Finally, Ridge offers a prescriptive look to the future, advocating ways that America may reaffirm its safety--including his provocative support for a national ID card program and for comprehensive immigration reform--without sacrificing personal liberty. "" "Television captures every word and every expression. I was reasonable to think that our enemies would look for any sign of weakness in the person who in a few days would be responsible for protecting America against them. At that moment, I experienced a royal flush of emotion--after all, I was leaving the state I loved, a loyal staff, many friendships developed over a lifetime, the frustration of work unfinished, to head into the unknown and the undoable. In normal times, I might have shed a tear at such thoughts. But I was determined not to do so as I said my farewell. If I needed any reminding, I glanced down at the note I had written for counsel. """The bastards are watching." ""We can never guarantee we will be free from another attack. We must also understand that every day thousands and thousands of our fellow citizens work here and abroad to take us to a new level of readiness and security. For in the end, Americans do not live in fear. We live in freedom. And we will let no one take that freedom away. ""--Tom Ridge, from "THE TEST OF OUR TIMES


http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?isbn=0312534876


The Publisher's Overview.

orange
08-21-2009, 08:18 AM
Bush Official, in Book, Tells of Pressure on ’04 Vote
By PETER BAKER
Published: August 20, 2009

WASHINGTON — Tom Ridge, the first secretary of homeland security, asserts in a new book that he was pressured by top advisers to President George W. Bush to raise the national threat level just before the 2004 election in what he suspected was an effort to influence the vote.

After Osama bin Laden released a threatening videotape four days before the election, Attorney General John Ashcroft and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld pushed Mr. Ridge to elevate the public threat posture but he refused, according to the book. Mr. Ridge calls it a “dramatic and inconceivable” event that “proved most troublesome” and reinforced his decision to resign.

The provocative allegation provides fresh ammunition for critics who have accused the Bush administration of politicizing national security. Mr. Bush and his Democratic challenger, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, were locked in a tight race heading into that final weekend, and some analysts concluded that even without a higher threat level, the bin Laden tape helped the president win re-election by reminding voters of the danger of Al Qaeda.

Keith M. Urbahn, a spokesman for Mr. Rumsfeld, said the defense secretary supported letting the public know if intelligence agencies believed there was a greater threat, and pointed to a variety of chilling Qaeda warnings in those days, including one tape vowing that “the streets of America will run red with blood.”

“Given those facts,” Mr. Urbahn said, “it would seem reasonable for senior administration officials to discuss the threat level. Indeed, it would have been irresponsible had that discussion not taken place.”

Mr. Urbahn said “the storyline advanced by his publisher seemingly to sell copies of the book is nonsense.”

Mr. Ashcroft could not be reached for comment. But Mark Corallo, who was his spokesman at the Justice Department, dismissed Mr. Ridge’s account. “Didn’t happen,” he said. “Now would be a good time for Mr. Ridge to use his emergency duct tape.”

Frances Fragos Townsend, who was Mr. Bush’s homeland security adviser, said that “there was a fulsome debate” about the threat level but that “the politics of it were not ever a factor.”

Mr. Ridge’s book, called “The Test of Our Times” and due out Sept. 1 from Thomas Dunne Books, is the latest by a Bush adviser to disclose internal disagreements and establish distance from an unpopular administration. Mr. Ridge complains that he was never invited to National Security Council meetings, that Mr. Rumsfeld would rarely meet with him and that the White House pressured him to include a justification for the Iraq war in a speech.

He also writes that he lobbied unsuccessfully before Hurricane Katrina in 2005 to replace Michael D. Brown as head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and that the White House killed his proposal to open a homeland security regional office in New Orleans.

The most sensational assertion was the pre-election debate in 2004 about the threat level, first reported by U.S. News & World Report. Mr. Ridge writes that the bin Laden tape alone did not justify a change in the nation’s security posture but describes “a vigorous, some might say dramatic, discussion” on Oct. 30 to do so.

“There was absolutely no support for that position within our department. None,” he writes. “I wondered, ‘Is this about security or politics?’ Post-election analysis demonstrated a significant increase in the president’s approval rating in the days after the raising of the threat level.”

Mr. Ridge provides no evidence that politics motivated the discussion. Until now, he has denied politics played a role in threat levels. Asked by Eric Lichtblau of The New York Times if politics ever influenced decisions on threat warnings, he volunteered to take a lie-detector test. “Wire me up,” Mr. Ridge said, according to Mr. Lichtblau’s book, “Bush’s Law.” “Not a chance. Politics played no part.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/us/21ridge.html

patteeu
08-21-2009, 08:45 AM
The publisher's overview doesn't say anything about any untoward pressure, and even if Ridge was concerned that the basis for the pressure was politically motivated, it remains to be seen whether his concern was warranted or not. Let me know when the book comes out and we can revisit this then.

blaise
08-21-2009, 08:52 AM
Previous administration.

Someone fire up the torture memo machine.

dirk digler
08-21-2009, 09:16 AM
The publisher's overview doesn't say anything about any untoward pressure, and even if Ridge was concerned that the basis for the pressure was politically motivated, it remains to be seen whether his concern was warranted or not. Let me know when the book comes out and we can revisit this then.

What?

It is right here

http://us.macmillan.com/thetestofourtimes

Congress to provide for critical homeland security needs, and the irresponsible use of terrorism by both parties to curry favors with voters. Ridge also reveals: • How the DHS was pressured to connect homeland security to the international “war on terror”
• How Ridge effectively thwarted a plan to raise the national security alert just before the 2004 Election
• How Ridge had pushed for a plan (defeated because of turf wars) to integrate DHS and FEMA disaster management in New Orleans and other areas before Hurricane Katrina

patteeu
08-21-2009, 09:59 AM
What?

It is right here

http://us.macmillan.com/thetestofourtimes

All that says is that his argument against raising the threat level at that time prevailed. It doesn't say that those arguing on the other side were doing so for political reasons or that their arguments had no legitimate foundation. And who knows, while the publisher's comment doesn't say so, maybe Ridge did think it was political, but if so, did he have a good reason for thinking that or was he just speculating? We have no way of knowing what he says in his book yet.

This could just be a case of a publisher hinting at some scandalous detail in an upcoming book that ends up being far less interesting than some wished it was going to be. We've been through this before. Don't get fooled again. Let's wait and see what the book actually says.

KC Dan
08-21-2009, 11:11 AM
The weekend talk shows are near.

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