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RedThat
08-21-2009, 11:14 AM
Im confident the kid will do the job. He has the poise, and the intellegence to be a good quarterback in this league. That comes from Len, and I'll take his word.

Im sure many of you are smart enough to not allow these reporters to convince you he is in trouble. He'll probably have his share of pains? Many QB's do anyway. It's expected when you're taking over a losing team, and placed in a new environment with a new coach, system, and players. The pains will come as he adapts to the learning process and that is understandable.

We are aware many will be hard on Cassel no doubt because he is the guy expected to lead our team and the Chiefs paid him a ton of money to do so.
so lots of expectations for sure. But, please understand the situations and circumstances before we can place judgement on him. I do not have my doubts they will give the kid every opportunity to succeed.

Im a believer. He was very impressive last year. remember, the kid was placed in a tough situation? Taking over an injured Tom Brady, and never started a game at QB since high school leading his team to an 11-5 record. Not everybody can do that, but he did it.

it's amazing. we always hear yeah but he had Moss and Welker. True, but I'd placed the emphasis more that he was on a winning team. That makes a difference and rubs off on you as a player. But I think the young man also deserve some credit?

*Anyway, I thought i'd post something more refreshing, since we keep hearing all this negative talk about him lately. Im hopeful and I will continue to rely on that emotion for the sake of supporting the Chiefs.

blaise
08-21-2009, 11:15 AM
Maybe he can get into the Hall of Fine someday.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-21-2009, 11:42 AM
He has 30 million dollars guaranteed in his contract. Yeah, he will be fine....

As for whether he will be a great QB or not? We don't know.

This kid is much like Rich Gannon. His success will be due to his persistence, hard work and intelligence.

He doesn't have a great arm. For those who saw Grbac in practice, he would light it up. For those who have seen Croyle in practice, he lights it up.

Cassel isn't 'that' guy. But, what Cassel has that Grbac didn't was dedication. What Cassel has that Croyle doesn't is an ability to stay healthy.

I would love our QB to have an arm like Stafford.... or even like Croyle.

But, I am much more concerned about what is between his ears than attached to his shoulder.

I think you are right. I think he will be 'fine'. Not great. Not a HOF QB, but a good QB that logs a couple of Pro Bowl berths.

Had Stafford been available... I would be annoyed that the Chiefs traded for Cassel. But, given the fact that the Chiefs weren't going to have a chance at Stafford.... Cassel has a similar ceiling to Sanchez and a higher floor.

So, Cassel will be fine.

Even with all that said.... it would still make all of us feel better if he was doing well in practice. I know it would make me feel better.

RedThat
08-21-2009, 12:00 PM
He has 30 million dollars guaranteed in his contract. Yeah, he will be fine....

As for whether he will be a great QB or not? We don't know.

This kid is much like Rich Gannon. His success will be due to his persistence, hard work and intelligence.

He doesn't have a great arm. For those who saw Grbac in practice, he would light it up. For those who have seen Croyle in practice, he lights it up.

Cassel isn't 'that' guy. But, what Cassel has that Grbac didn't was dedication. What Cassel has that Croyle doesn't is an ability to stay healthy.

I would love our QB to have an arm like Stafford.... or even like Croyle.

But, I am much more concerned about what is between his ears than attached to his shoulder.

I think you are right. I think he will be 'fine'. Not great. Not a HOF QB, but a good QB that logs a couple of Pro Bowl berths.

Had Stafford been available... I would be annoyed that the Chiefs traded for Cassel. But, given the fact that the Chiefs weren't going to have a chance at Stafford.... Cassel has a similar ceiling to Sanchez and a higher floor.

So, Cassel will be fine.

Even with all that said.... it would still make all of us feel better if he was doing well in practice. I know it would make me feel better.

Exactly...You said it there.

I think thats the most important thing his mental makeup. Some QB's have that, some don't. Too be honest, it'd be nice if he had a great arm, and I think that would make him a great QB if he did.

After watching the QB position over the years, the great QB's usually have both the talent and the mental makeup. Peyton Manning would be an example. Some have the talent, but not the mental makeup to be great QB...And I think Cutler is an example of that.

But regardless, this is what we have..We have a guy who can bring us outstanding work ethic with a great attitude much like Priest Holmes was for us. Different position though. But I'd rather have that, then a guy with talent and a louzy attitude.

wild1
08-21-2009, 12:05 PM
The subject line is all you need to know.

The NFL executive of the decade invested a second round draft pick, $63 million, the fortunes of the franchise, and his own reputation on Matt Cassel. He could have picked any possible course of action or player, and this was the one he thought best.

He'll be fine.

ChiefMojo
08-21-2009, 12:14 PM
Fine is very well likely mean good! Trent Green was a "fine" QB when compared to Peyton Manning or Brett Favre. Didn't mean the Chiefs weren't good... they were darn good! Rich Gannon was a "fine" QB, so was Eli Manning... I could go on and on.

Btw, the Giants just paid their "fine" QB a sh*t load of money as well. Yes, yes he won a Super Bowl, but he is still a "fine" QB.

BarrySPAMAID
08-21-2009, 12:14 PM
Folks, I just want to add something here. ...


Matt Cassel is by far one of the most amazing people I have ever met, and seen in person. He is a magnificent fellow. Very well spoken. Very polite, vert attentive, and very professional.

I got to attend one of his press conferences last week. It was the one where he said "Cheer Loud" when I asked him what his message was to the thousands of Chiefs fans getting ready to welcome him into their home.

He is the real deal folks. Dont believe this Doom and Gloom that alot of these beat writers are trying to sell you. I promise you they are wrong. NOBODY knows about this team right now, and the longer we stay under the radar, the better.

But Matt Cassel is EVERYTHING that is advertised. I watched him practice every day with his team for two weeks. He is a leader. He is a team mate. He is our new franchise quarterback.

He's gonna be BETTER than fine my friends. Jot that one down while you're at it. :clap:

BigChiefFan
08-21-2009, 12:15 PM
He either will or he won't. Flip a coin. I think he has the talent, but he needs to step up his game.

Brock
08-21-2009, 12:18 PM
Put Bowe on the field with him and he might look a lot better.

Warrior5
08-21-2009, 12:23 PM
Put Bowe on the field with him and he might look a lot better.

Yep.

BarrySPAMAID
08-21-2009, 12:25 PM
Well if there one thing for sure, we have a small flatbed full of receivers to choose from, and Haley has done a great job creating this competition. Now THAT was training camp!!

BigChiefFan
08-21-2009, 12:26 PM
Put Bowe on the field with him and he might look a lot better.Agreed, that was kind of the point I was trying to make in another thread, but Jim Jones was too busy slurping his own kool-aid and enjoying patting himself on the back too much to see through his own glare of pure homerism.

RippedmyFlesh
08-21-2009, 12:26 PM
Put Bowe on the field with him and he might look a lot better.
Bowe would make any qb look better.
Bradley engram toomer...if 2 of those 3 can be healthy and produce Matt will look real good after I think 3-4 games to get his bearings at game speed.

BigVE
08-21-2009, 12:30 PM
If I recall correctly I read somewhere that Cassel did horrible in preseason last year for NE...once he got actual game experience he put it all together just fine. I know others have posted this and I will just emphasize the point one more time: IT IS WAY TO EARLY to judge what Cassel can or cannot do.

BarrySPAMAID
08-21-2009, 12:57 PM
If I recall correctly I read somewhere that Cassel did horrible in preseason last year for NE...once he got actual game experience he put it all together just fine. I know others have posted this and I will just emphasize the point one more time: IT IS WAY TO EARLY to judge what Cassel can or cannot do.
Yes as a matter of fact, when Brady went down, New England fans wanted Guiterrez instead of Cassel to come in the game. I remember reading about it.

B_Ambuehl
08-21-2009, 01:06 PM
He's got the hard working makeup, but typically the knock on those types is their instincts when pressured. Good QBs almost always have a bit of wrecklessness, dog, or jokester in them. Cassell almost seems too straight and narrow. He reminds me mentally of someone like Trent Dilfer or Testaverde. You see their shortcomings manifest in tunnel vision under pressure. I'm really interested to see how he performs when he has to do more then drop back and throw underneath routes to a primary option. One thing he has going for him is he is a pretty good athlete.

RedThat
08-21-2009, 01:07 PM
Cassel has some goods in KC. I see a lot of good talent around him.

we drafted a potential stud in Branden Albert whos shown he has the ability to protect the QB's blind spot. Brian Waters has been a rock, niswanger is improving, and goff is a solid fill at RG. My only concern is RT. overall, I feel pretty good about the OL, and I think those guys will do a good job protecting Matt.

Dwayne Bowe is going to help out Cassel just fine.

And i think the other guys like Bradley, Engram, and Toomer will be nice complimentary receivers to help Cassel.

He has good supporting cast around him much like Trent. Haley, Gailey, Pioli will all contribute to Matts progress much like Vermeil, and Saunders did for Trent. Thats the way I see it.

My only concern is the defense. Some real question marks there. I believe the defense compliments the offense as well. Im concerned about how some of the guys on D are gonna transcend from switching from a 4-3 to 3-4. Who knows? Only time will tell.

Marcellus
08-21-2009, 01:38 PM
He just needs to quit hitting the receivers in their hands. They are not used to that.

JASONSAUTO
08-21-2009, 01:43 PM
He's got the hard working makeup, but typically the knock on those types is their instincts when pressured. Good QBs almost always have a bit of wrecklessness, dog, or jokester in them. Cassell almost seems too straight and narrow. He reminds me mentally of someone like Trent Dilfer or Testaverde. You see their shortcomings manifest in tunnel vision under pressure. I'm really interested to see how he performs when he has to do more then drop back and throw underneath routes to a primary option. One thing he has going for him is he is a pretty good athlete.

you obviously havent seen the end of the jets game that they lost in OT

TRR
08-21-2009, 01:52 PM
He doesn't have a great arm. For those who saw Grbac in practice, he would light it up. For those who have seen Croyle in practice, he lights it up.
.

I disagree whole heartedly with that post. Cassel has a very strong arm. His problem on the deep ball is overthrowing his WR...even Randy Moss. He can zing it as well as anyone KC has ever had. Especially Croyle. Trust me on that one...
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beach tribe
08-21-2009, 01:57 PM
I'm praying. That's all I can say. There's never really been a QB to not start in college, and then come into the NFL, and have a lot of success. I mean the guy has the tools. He seems smart, and confident, and all, but I am worried. I've been worried ever since we signed him. I was reall hoping he would play this season under the tag, and then let us sign him after the season. We probably gotten him cheaper.
I DO think he can do it, but I'm fuqin scared to death that he won't.

Chiefnj2
08-21-2009, 01:58 PM
The offense needs to find an identity and start to build it. Right now it seems like the coaching staff is still a little lost in trying to figure out what they can do, can't do and what system they are going to run.

beach tribe
08-21-2009, 01:59 PM
Cassel has some goods in KC. I see a lot of good talent around him.

we drafted a potential stud in Branden Albert whos shown he has the ability to protect the QB's blind spot. Brian Waters has been a rock, niswanger is improving, and goff is a solid fill at RG. My only concern is RT. overall, I feel pretty good about the OL, and I think those guys will do a good job protecting Matt.

Dwayne Bowe is going to help out Cassel just fine.

And i think the other guys like Bradley, Engram, and Toomer will be nice complimentary receivers to help Cassel.

He has good supporting cast around him much like Trent. Haley, Gailey, Pioli will all contribute to Matts progress much like Vermeil, and Saunders did for Trent. Thats the way I see it.

My only concern is the defense. Some real question marks there. I believe the defense compliments the offense as well. Im concerned about how some of the guys on D are gonna transcend from switching from a 4-3 to 3-4. Who knows? Only time will tell.

Niswanger must be replaced. There are too many teams going to the 3-4 to have a softy like him at center.

beach tribe
08-21-2009, 02:04 PM
Folks, I just want to add something here. ...


Matt Cassel is by far one of the most amazing people I have ever met, and seen in person. He is a magnificent fellow. Very well spoken. Very polite, vert attentive, and very professional.

I got to attend one of his press conferences last week. It was the one where he said "Cheer Loud" when I asked him what his message was to the thousands of Chiefs fans getting ready to welcome him into their home.

He is the real deal folks. Dont believe this Doom and Gloom that alot of these beat writers are trying to sell you. I promise you they are wrong. NOBODY knows about this team right now, and the longer we stay under the radar, the better.

But Matt Cassel is EVERYTHING that is advertised. I watched him practice every day with his team for two weeks. He is a leader. He is a team mate. He is our new franchise quarterback.

He's gonna be BETTER than fine my friends. Jot that one down while you're at it. :clap:

I LOVE your optimism, but nobody has any idea what is going to happen with this guy in KC.

Just because you were in the same room as he was, and looked deep, and hard into his eyes, and felt a movement in your dockers, doesn't really mean that he will perform as well on the field as he does in your room in your imagination.

OnTheWarpath58
08-21-2009, 02:08 PM
Folks, I just want to add something here. ...


Matt Cassel is by far one of the most amazing people I have ever met, and seen in person. He is a magnificent fellow. Very well spoken. Very polite, vert attentive, and very professional.

I got to attend one of his press conferences last week. It was the one where he said "Cheer Loud" when I asked him what his message was to the thousands of Chiefs fans getting ready to welcome him into their home.

He is the real deal folks. Dont believe this Doom and Gloom that alot of these beat writers are trying to sell you.

I promise you they are wrong.

NOBODY knows about this team right now, and the longer we stay under the radar, the better.

But Matt Cassel is EVERYTHING that is advertised. I watched him practice every day with his team for two weeks. He is a leader. He is a team mate. He is our new franchise quarterback.

He's gonna be BETTER than fine my friends. Jot that one down while you're at it. :clap:

So, he's chock full of awesomeness, yet nobody knows for sure, then he's chock full of awesomeness again...

Interesting middle to that homer sandwich of a post.

Halfcan
08-21-2009, 03:03 PM
Im confident the kid will do the job. He has the poise, and the intellegence to be a good quarterback in this league. That comes from Len, and I'll take his word.

Im sure many of you are smart enough to not allow these reporters to convince you he is in trouble. He'll probably have his share of pains? Many QB's do anyway. It's expected when you're taking over a losing team, and placed in a new environment with a new coach, system, and players. The pains will come as he adapts to the learning process and that is understandable.

We are aware many will be hard on Cassel no doubt because he is the guy expected to lead our team and the Chiefs paid him a ton of money to do so.
so lots of expectations for sure. But, please understand the situations and circumstances before we can place judgement on him. I do not have my doubts they will give the kid every opportunity to succeed.

Im a believer. He was very impressive last year. remember, the kid was placed in a tough situation? Taking over an injured Tom Brady, and never started a game at QB since high school leading his team to an 11-5 record. Not everybody can do that, but he did it.

it's amazing. we always hear yeah but he had Moss and Welker. True, but I'd placed the emphasis more that he was on a winning team. That makes a difference and rubs off on you as a player. But I think the young man also deserve some credit?

*Anyway, I thought i'd post something more refreshing, since we keep hearing all this negative talk about him lately. Im hopeful and I will continue to rely on that emotion for the sake of supporting the Chiefs.

nice to hear something positive

Reerun_KC
08-21-2009, 03:05 PM
I am rooting for Mark Castle to succeed...

Brock
08-21-2009, 03:05 PM
He's polite, attentive, and professional. He's GREAT, I tell you!

TEX
08-21-2009, 03:05 PM
IMO unless the Chiefs OL gets better, it's gonna be tough on any QB. To me, that's the biggest factor.

Simply Red
08-21-2009, 03:12 PM
Put Bowe on the field with him and he might look a lot better.

wait, so we aren't getting Marshall?

Reerun_KC
08-21-2009, 03:20 PM
wait, so we aren't getting Marshall?

Wait, were really trying to get Marshall? WOW! So what are they giving up to get Marshall?

LOCOChief
08-21-2009, 03:31 PM
This team has never had a qb that during the pre season I thought didn't have a chance to be pretty good.

Pioli Zombie
08-21-2009, 03:40 PM
All you need to know is that by the end of the last season Matt Cassel had some people on Patriots messageboards openly speculating on what the Patriots could get for Tom Brady.

Enough said.
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OnTheWarpath58
08-21-2009, 03:41 PM
All you need to know is that by the end of the last season Matt Cassel had some people on Patriots messageboards openly speculating on what the Patriots could get for Tom Brady.

Enough said.
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So, their fans are as fucking brain dead as ours?

LOCOChief
08-21-2009, 03:45 PM
All you need to know is that by the end of the last season Matt Cassel had some people on Patriots messageboards openly speculating on what the Patriots could get for Tom Brady.

Enough said.
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I expect big things from Cassel, but I've got a good friend and recent season ticket holder for the Pats and he's definately not one of those you're referring to. My discussion with him before the game last weekend was a dissapointing one and I hope he's wrong.

Pioli Zombie
08-21-2009, 03:48 PM
So, their fans are as fucking brain dead as ours?

Yes, some are. Nobody was saying Cassel was as good as Brady. But his play and leadership of the Patriots was so that a lot of people felt comfortable enough to let the thought in their minds that maybe this was Steve Young to Joe Montana. And as someone who has watched every game Brady has played and considers Brady his favorite athelete of all time, I found myself at times late last year almost as comfortable with Cassel back there. The kid is obviously a good study, is intelligent, and showed he could learn and improve.

The brain dead fans are the ones who judge him on a few practices, a preseason or a few games with a rotten team that is trying to rebuild. Give it some effen time.
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RedThat
08-21-2009, 03:49 PM
I LOVE your optimism, but nobody has any idea what is going to happen with this guy in KC.

Just because you were in the same room as he was, and looked deep, and hard into his eyes, and felt a movement in your dockers, doesn't really mean that he will perform as well on the field as he does in your room in your imagination.

i can agree with that. However, it is a positive sign when the QB improves his play during the course of the season. He progressed last year. We can't deny that. Matt Cassel is not only learning to gel with a new team, but, he is also learning to play qb.

If he was on the Patriots right now, Id say there is more room for him to improve. But, how he is gonna pan out with a new team who is very unlike the Pats? we'll see. I won't doubt his capabilities. If he can handle tough situations and circumstances, i have faith he can handle his circumstance and situation in KC.

It's all mental imo.

Pioli Zombie
08-21-2009, 03:49 PM
I expect big things from Cassel, but I've got a good friend and recent season ticket holder for the Pats and he's definately not one of those you're referring to. My discussion with him before the game last weekend was a dissapointing one and I hope he's wrong.
Good friends and season ticket holders can be wrong.

What was his complaint?
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RedThat
08-21-2009, 03:53 PM
Yes, some are. Nobody was saying Cassel was as good as Brady. But his play and leadership of the Patriots was so that a lot of people felt comfortable enough to let the thought in their minds that maybe this was Steve Young to Joe Montana. And as someone who has watched every game Brady has played and considers Brady his favorite athelete of all time, I found myself at times late last year almost as comfortable with Cassel back there. The kid is obviously a good study, is intelligent, and showed he could learn and improve.

The brain dead fans are the ones who judge him on a few practices, a preseason or a few games with a rotten team that is trying to rebuild. Give it some effen time.
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Exactly.

Demonpenz
08-21-2009, 04:02 PM
cassel is like a speeding ticket he has fine written all over him

LOCOChief
08-21-2009, 04:09 PM
Good friends and season ticket holders can be wrong.

What was his complaint?
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Sure they can, I've been both and rarely right.

Same stuff that I don't really see, hangs on to the ball, lacks pocket awareness and bails too soon, not much arm strength, doesn't go through his progressions.

I disagree with all the above until I'm proven wrong, and he's a homer.

The way I see it is the Patriots who made him a #2 were comfortable with him going in for an injured Brady.

LaChapelle
08-21-2009, 04:16 PM
Lay it all at Pollard's feet.