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petegz28
08-24-2009, 08:20 PM
Aug. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Swine flu may infect half the U.S. population this year, hospitalize 1.8 million patients and lead to as many as 90,000 deaths, more than twice the number killed in a typical seasonal flu, White House advisers said.

In a report by the President’s Council of Advisers on Science and Technology, President Barack Obama today was urged to speed vaccine production and name a senior member of the White House staff, preferably the homeland security adviser, to take responsibility for decision-making on the pandemic. Initial doses should be accelerated to mid-September to vaccinate as many as 40 million people, the advisory group said.

Seasonal flu usually kills about 36,000 Americans, said Tom Skinner, a spokesman for the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Swine flu, also called H1N1, causes more severe illness needing hospitalization among younger people than seasonal flu, while leaving people 65 and older relatively unscathed, said Mike Shaw of the CDC.

“This isn’t the flu that we’re used to,” said Kathleen Sebelius, U.S. Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services. “The 2009 H1N1 virus will cause a more serious threat this fall. We won’t know until we’re in the middle of the flu season how serious the threat is, but because it’s a new strain, it’s likely to infect more people than usual.”

Data from clinical trials to assess the safety and effectiveness of swine flu vaccines will start to become available in mid-September, health officials reported Aug. 21. Full results from the two-dose trials won’t be available until mid October.

Mid-October Vaccine

“We are making every preparation effort assuming a safe and effective vaccine will be available in mid-October,” Sebelius said today at the CDC’s Atlanta offices.

According to what the advisory report describes as a “plausible scenario,” 30 percent to 50 percent of the country’s population will be infected in the fall and winter. As many as 300,000 patients may be treated in hospital intensive care units, filling 50 percent to 100 percent of the available beds, and 30,000 to 90,000 people may die, the report said.

Peter Gross, chief medical officer at Hackensack University Medical Center in New Jersey, said if the group’s scenario comes true, “I think every hospital in America is going to be in a crunch. We’ll be hard pressed to deal with those predictions,” he said.

Predictions ‘Overblown’

The predictions seem “overblown,” Gross said, given that swine-flu outbreaks in 1968 and 1957 failed to cause as many deaths, even with medical technology and disease surveillance less advanced than today.

“Influenza, you can make all the predictions you want, but it’s more difficult than predicting the weather,” Gross said in a telephone interview today, after the advisory report was made public. “If influenza was a stock, I wouldn’t touch it.”

The 775-bed hospital is planning for an outbreak, upping its order of flu medications and discussing where to put patients if the worst occurs, Gross said.

The President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology is chaired by John Holdren, the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology, Eric Lander, the head of the Broad Institute of Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and Harold Varmus, the chief executive officer of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York.

The 21-member group of scientists and engineers, created by Congress in 1976, advises the president on policy involving scientific matters.

Four Months

H1N1 has already reached more than 170 countries and territories in the four months since being identified, the Geneva-based World Health Organization said. Swine flu causes similar symptoms as seasonal strains. It has so far resulted in worse than normal flu seasons, with increased hospitalizations and cases of severe illness, the WHO said in an Aug. 12 release.

The median age of those with the pandemic virus has been 12 to 17 years, the WHO said on July 24, citing data from Canada, Chile, Japan, U.K. and the U.S.

“People who get infected with this strain happen to be the healthiest members of our society,” said Shaw, associate director of laboratory science at the CDC’s flu division, in a presentation today, also at the agency’s offices.

The H1N1 strain is genetically related to the 1918 Spanish Flu strain that killed an estimated 50 million people. Variations of the Spanish Flu strain circulated widely until around 1957, when they were pushed aside by other flu strains. People whose first exposure to a flu virus was one of those Spanish Flu relatives may have greater immunity to the current pandemic, Shaw said.

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KILLER_CLOWN
08-24-2009, 09:13 PM
How many non existant bridges are we going to be sold?

dirk digler
08-24-2009, 09:30 PM
Do I think the swine flu is going to hit us hard this fall yes I do. Do I believe that 90,000 people are going to die no I don't. I doubt it would even be a fraction of that.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-24-2009, 09:34 PM
Do I think the swine flu is going to hit us hard this fall yes I do. Do I believe that 90,000 people are going to die no I don't. I doubt it would even be a fraction of that.

Does that warrant a level 6 pandemic? Will international law override US law?

dirk digler
08-24-2009, 09:36 PM
Does that warrant a level 6 pandemic? Will international law override US law?

No on both counts

alanm
08-24-2009, 10:02 PM
How many non existant bridges are we going to be sold?This is the crisis that the media will now plug as proof that we need the government running our health care. :shake:
Just wait.

AndChiefs
08-24-2009, 10:09 PM
Do I think the swine flu is going to hit us hard this fall yes I do. Do I believe that 90,000 people are going to die no I don't. I doubt it would even be a fraction of that.

Maybe it's just my pet peeve...but no matter what it's going to be a fraction of 90,000...even if it's more.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-24-2009, 10:16 PM
This is the crisis that the media will now plug as proof that we need the government running our health care. :shake:
Just wait.

Absolutely, but you have to remember John Holdren loves us all.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-24-2009, 11:15 PM
* * * PRESS RELEASE * * *


June 1, 2009

Ojai, CA -- On January 29, 2001, Jock Doubleday offered $20,000 to the first U.S.-licensed medical doctor or pharmaceutical company CEO to publicly drink a mixture of standard vaccine additive ingredients:

http://www.mercola.com/2001/feb/10/vaccine_offer.htm

The $20,000 offer had no takers.

On August 1, 2006, Doubleday increased the offer to $75,000:

http://www.vaclib.org/links/jockslinks.htm#press

The $75,000 offer had no takers.

THEREFORE . . .

On June 1, 2007, Doubleday added a monthly increase of $5,000. As of August 1, 2009, the offer stands at $210,000.

The offer will continue to increase $5,000 per month until an M.D. or pharmaceutical company CEO, or any of the relevant members of the ACIP (now including liaison representatives, ex officio members, chairman, and executive secretary -- please see the ACIP web site for a full list of eligible ACIP candidates), agrees to drink a body-weight calibrated dose of the poisonous vaccine additives that M.D.s routinely inject into children in the name of health.

This offer has no expiration date unless superceded by a similar offer of higher remuneration.

QUESTION: Why won't MDs drink the poisons they inject into babies on a daily basis?

QUESTION: Why won't members of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices drink additive ingredients in the vaccines they say are safe?

The ACIP's Dr. Paul Offit received at least $29 million from his share of royalties for Merck's Rotateq vaccine after using his position to ensure that childhood vaccination with the vaccine became compulsory.


Dr. Paul "for profit" Offit

If vaccine advocates are party to conflict of interest, can parents truly have confidence in vaccine safety and efficacy?

* * *

NOTE: I have just added Lawrence Kaplow to the list of eligible participants.
Lawrence Kaplow, science-challenged House M.D. writer and executive story editor of the "House M.D." episode "Paternity," in which the main character states that avoiding childhood vaccines is akin to starting a baby coffin business.

* * *


In health,

Jock Doubleday
Director
Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc.
A California 501(c)3 Nonprofit Corporation
http://www.SpontaneousCreation.org
director@spontaneouscreation.org

kcfanXIII
08-24-2009, 11:34 PM
and zombies might kill millions. give me a fucking break with the swine flu already.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2009, 03:26 AM
The Government is killing us!

ROYC75
08-25-2009, 09:27 AM
and zombies might kill millions. give me a ****ing break with the swine flu already.

OK, a little overboard here, but we get your point.

To be honest, the swine flu is real, how much over blown is the question.

I know we have the virus here in Western Ky, I have 2 grand kids and a wife with the symptoms now. I'm concerned for all of them , but this is nothing my wife needs, it is going to be hard for her to fight off with her lung condition.

jjjayb
08-25-2009, 10:00 AM
"WE DIDN'T LISTEN!"

Typical fear mongering. This will kill no more people than any other flu we've had every year.

Duck Dog
08-25-2009, 10:45 AM
And if they didn't warn us and it did indeed kill 90K people, then what? Liberals in Washington demanding to know who knew what and when.

Iowanian
08-25-2009, 03:38 PM
Just think of the Relief to global warming, carbon footprints, Social Security, welfare budgets!

Jackpot!

smaller lines at concerts and the state fair corndog stand!

YAR!

wild1
08-25-2009, 03:45 PM
* * * PRESS RELEASE * * *


June 1, 2009

Ojai, CA -- On January 29, 2001, Jock Doubleday offered $20,000 to the first U.S.-licensed medical doctor or pharmaceutical company CEO to publicly drink a mixture of standard vaccine additive ingredients:

Lazy thinking. Some things are safe/useful/theraputic to ingest in a certain quantity and deadly in others, ask Michael Jackson about that. The fact that I wouldn't drink demerol doesn't make it unsafe for use after the proper fashion.

VAChief
08-25-2009, 04:10 PM
OK, a little overboard here, but we get your point.

To be honest, the swine flu is real, how much over blown is the question.

I know we have the virus here in Western Ky, I have 2 grand kids and a wife with the symptoms now. I'm concerned for all of them , but this is nothing my wife needs, it is going to be hard for her to fight off with her lung condition.

Sorry to hear about your family concerns, it does put things in perspective. Statistics don't mean much until they become personal.

Pioli Zombie
08-25-2009, 05:30 PM
60,000? That Nazi Obama wants to kill millions! MILLIONS I tell you!!!!!!!!!!
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wild1
08-25-2009, 05:57 PM
OK, a little overboard here, but we get your point.

To be honest, the swine flu is real, how much over blown is the question.

I know we have the virus here in Western Ky, I have 2 grand kids and a wife with the symptoms now. I'm concerned for all of them , but this is nothing my wife needs, it is going to be hard for her to fight off with her lung condition.

Sorry to hear that. Someone I know and interact with it every day had a confirmed case, and other than you I'm probably the only person here who knows for sure they have been exposed to it. The good news is that it was not all that serious.

Ebolapox
08-25-2009, 08:22 PM
eh, I'm not worried about it in the least.

kcfanXIII
08-25-2009, 11:26 PM
"WE DIDN'T LISTEN!"

Typical fear mongering. This will kill no more people than any other flu we've had every year.

this. end thread.

redsurfer11
08-26-2009, 05:07 AM
And if they didn't warn us and it did indeed kill 90K people, then what? Liberals in Washington demanding to know who knew what and when.

Obama's Administrations numbers are always wrong by 33 to 500%. So the actual total should be 120,000. to 450,000. dead.

Guru
08-26-2009, 05:23 AM
eh, I'm not worried about it in the least.Your username suggests otherwise.

acesn8s
08-26-2009, 08:54 AM
Its the plague!