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Tribal Warfare
08-25-2009, 02:18 AM
Chiefs make trade to bolster offensive line (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/1403806.html)
By KENT BABB
The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs’ concerns about protecting quarterback Matt Cassel became more evident Monday, when Kansas City traded a 2010 draft pick to Miami for two offensive linemen.

The Chiefs acquired guards Andy Alleman and Ikechuku Ndukwe and released offensive tackle Brian de la Puente and linebacker Vince Redd. Alleman, a third-round pick in 2007, also can play center.

Kansas City coach Todd Haley spoke to reporters Monday before the trade was official, but he indicated that any pending trade would have been made with the idea of creating more competition on the offensive line and perhaps forcing the team’s existing linemen to improve.

Haley wasn’t happy with the Chiefs’ line after Friday night’s preseason loss at Minnesota, when Cassel was sacked three times and had to scramble often in one half of participation.

“I wish we had more talent at spots to create more competition,” Haley said, “and that’s where over the next couple of weeks we might be able to improve that aspect of it.”

Derrick must deliver

Fifth-year linebacker Derrick Johnson “needs to get it going a little bit,” Haley said, after an unmemorable preseason so far.

Johnson, the Chiefs’ 2005 first-round pick, is expected to start at one of the inside linebacker spots in their 3-4 defense, but he hasn’t separated himself as a consistent playmaker or a source of leadership, both of which Kansas City needs.

“Derrick is a guy with a lot of ability that needs to show that ability every day,” Haley said, “and be the type of guy we’re looking for — the same guy every day who’s doing it how he’s supposed to be doing it and how he’s coached to do it. He’s definitely got the ability. He’s got to work at being the same guy as his ability lets him to be.”

Johnson didn’t deny that the Chiefs expect more from him. He said he expects more from himself, too.

“I’ve got a high standard for myself,” he said. “I want to move a little faster. I’m doing that now. Every day is a step.

“You have to put it all together.”

Thigpen could play

Third-year quarterback Tyler Thigpen returned to practice Monday and, according to Haley, should be cleared to play in Saturday night’s preseason game against Seattle at Arrowhead Stadium.

Thigpen, who started 11 games last year, suffered a ribcage injury in the preseason opener against Houston. He missed all of last week’s training-camp practices and didn’t participate in the Minnesota game.

Jackson needs time

Haley said rookie defensive end Tyson Jackson might need more time to develop than the team or its fans might hope, but the coach said Monday that could be reality for Jackson.

The Chiefs drafted Jackson with the No. 3 overall pick. He missed the first week of training camp while his contract was being completed.

“When you draft defensive linemen,” Haley said, “it is a real process with these guys. History shows that some of these high-round defensive linemen take some time to come into their own. It’s a work in progress with him.”

Haley admitted that Jackson’s absence from training camp dampened his early grasp of the playbook and his technique, something the rookie has acknowledged.

“Guys aren’t here, hold out, and then they get hurt,” Haley said. “It’s a recurring pattern all the time. Now, knock on wood, he’s kept himself in shape.”

Injury report

Running back Kolby Smith and linebacker Zach Thomas didn’t participate in Monday’s two sessions at Chiefs headquarters.

Running back Larry Johnson missed the afternoon session. He landed awkwardly while diving into the end zone during a morning goal-line drill.

salame
08-25-2009, 03:45 AM
oh great now lj is hurt too

Rausch
08-25-2009, 05:38 AM
Good.
Any new face on the OL is an improvement...

LaChapelle
08-25-2009, 06:21 AM
I see DJ got married and has a kid now.

beach tribe
08-25-2009, 06:59 AM
Anybody know anything about these two?

beach tribe
08-25-2009, 07:01 AM
Looks like They both played a lot last year.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/breaking-news/story/1200327.html

beach tribe
08-25-2009, 07:03 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Alleman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ike_Ndukwe

LaChapelle
08-25-2009, 07:06 AM
The Fins had an outbreak of the swine flue. Maybe they'll turn the rest of the line into hogs.ROFL

beach tribe
08-25-2009, 07:10 AM
I'll bet anything Haley called up Parcells, and said "please tell me you have some linemen you can spare" "Anybody would be better than these losers."

Parcells was like "yeah, I saw your center, and guards getting bitched back into the QB."

donkhater
08-25-2009, 07:59 AM
Don't get too excited. My Dolphin fan friend said it was no coincidence that Miami's Wildcat formation stalled mid season when these two were forced to start. Needless to say, he isn't exactly crying that they've been traded.

PhillyChiefFan
08-25-2009, 08:23 AM
I am loving how honest Haley is, unlike Herm who patted the guys on the head when they messed up, Haley is like "sit your ass on the bench, and do better next time or your demoted."

the Talking Can
08-25-2009, 08:29 AM
well, glad to see the star did so much research and reporting.....jesus is there a lazier ****ing sports section in the world?

anyways, gretz has some useful background on these guys:

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/tuesday-cup-o%E2%80%99chiefs-2.html

These two offensive linemen acquired from the Miami Dolphins on Monday for an undisclosed draft choice in 2010 are journeymen. The Chiefs are Alleman’s third team and Kansas City is the fifth stop for Ndukwe.....

Mr. Krab
08-25-2009, 10:30 AM
"Haley said rookie defensive end Tyson Jackson might need more time to develop than the team or its fans might hope, but the coach said Monday that could be reality for Jackson"
another top 5 pick that shouldn't of been a top 5 pick :banghead:

SNR
08-25-2009, 10:34 AM
Don't get too excited. My Dolphin fan friend said it was no coincidence that Miami's Wildcat formation stalled mid season when these two were forced to start. Needless to say, he isn't exactly crying that they've been traded.We can't run the wildcat???!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!111

JD10367
08-25-2009, 10:34 AM
Don't get too excited. My Dolphin fan friend said it was no coincidence that Miami's Wildcat formation stalled mid season when these two were forced to start. Needless to say, he isn't exactly crying that they've been traded.

Or maybe the Wildcat stalled because everyone had seen it and it was no longer a surprise.

But, again, no one is saying these guys are Pro-Bowl linemen in their primes. They just might be an improvement over what's there now. It's what Pioli does best.

the Talking Can
08-25-2009, 10:46 AM
another top 5 pick that shouldn't of been a top 5 pick :banghead:

huh?

Just Passin' By
08-25-2009, 10:47 AM
huh?

Well, he wasn't an All-Pro the moment he was drafted, after all.

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 10:52 AM
oh great now lj is hurt too

Yeah, we're really gonna' feel that one come game day.:(





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Re: Miami chum-fodder.

Mr. Krab
08-25-2009, 10:53 AM
huh?
A top 5 pick shouldn't be a work in progress at DE. Imo. No, it doesn't mean has to be a pro bowl from game one but dam, he should be a freakin stud.

BigChiefFan
08-25-2009, 11:00 AM
I can't see Kolby Smith making the team.

On a side note, a top 5 defensive lineman should be a stud from day one? That's ridiculous. He's already looked good, expecting a rookie to play like an all-pro is laughable.

Mr. Krab
08-25-2009, 11:05 AM
I can't see Kolby Smith making the team.

On a side note, a top 5 defensive lineman should be a stud from day one? That's ridiculous. He's already looked good, expecting a rookie to play like an all-pro is laughable.
Who said he should play like an All-Pro?

nychief
08-25-2009, 11:10 AM
Who said he should play like an All-Pro?

No you said he should be a fucking stud. well, it is a little early to tell considering we have not played a regular season game yet.

BigChiefFan
08-25-2009, 11:14 AM
Who said he should play like an All-Pro?

"Freakin' stud" equates to an all-pro, no?

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 11:18 AM
I can't see Kolby Smith making the team.

On a side note, a top 5 defensive lineman should be a stud from day one? That's ridiculous. He's already looked good, expecting a rookie to play like an all-pro is laughable.

Pshaw; his position on the Kansas City Stationary Bike All-Stars is all but secured.

salame
08-25-2009, 11:30 AM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0104/nfl_g_johnson-james_bipanel_576.jpg

Count Alex's Losses
08-25-2009, 11:31 AM
Oh hell no you didn't.

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 11:34 AM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0104/nfl_g_johnson-james_bipanel_576.jpg

http://zombieresearch.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/zzz-clock.jpg

Tick-Tock...

Micjones
08-25-2009, 11:42 AM
Don't get too excited. My Dolphin fan friend said it was no coincidence that Miami's Wildcat formation stalled mid season when these two were forced to start. Needless to say, he isn't exactly crying that they've been traded.

The fact that there was plenty of game tape on it by mid-season also played heavily into that...

DaKCMan AP
08-25-2009, 11:44 AM
A top 5 pick shouldn't be a work in progress at DE. Imo. No, it doesn't mean has to be a pro bowl from game one but dam, he should be a freakin stud.

Like Mario Williams?

Chiefnj2
08-25-2009, 11:45 AM
The top 5 pick is being asked to play in an entirely new system.

Micjones
08-25-2009, 11:45 AM
A top 5 pick shouldn't be a work in progress at DE. Imo. No, it doesn't mean has to be a pro bowl from game one but dam, he should be a freakin stud.

It's going to take Matthew Stafford, the #1 overall pick, time to come into his own but somehow you expect Jackson to be an instant success in the NFL? Come on.

salame
08-25-2009, 11:51 AM
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Micjones
08-25-2009, 11:52 AM
http://static.open.salon.com/files/ghetto-prom-fat-black-girl1238453235.jpg

Que?

JD10367
08-25-2009, 11:57 AM
Que?

The perfect 3-4 NT.

Tribal Warfare
08-25-2009, 12:04 PM
The perfect 3-4 NT.

or the mother of