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Kerberos
08-25-2009, 04:09 AM
I didn't see this posted yesterday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4418733

Broncos in tough spot with Marshall


If you thought Josh McDaniels was in a tough spot with the Jay Cutler trade, don't look now.

The Brandon Marshall situation might be worse. The trust between Marshall and the Broncos has been broken on both sides. Marshall doesn't trust the trainers; he doesn't trust the organization. On the flip side, the Broncos don't trust him enough to offer him a contract extension. Trading him would set more precedents for players who might want to leave the Broncos.

What the Broncos need is a face-saving angel, a team willing to trade the equivalent of a No. 1 and No. 4 pick to resolve this situation. Watching the Broncos play the Seahawks on Saturday night, I think the Broncos can get by with three- and four-receiver sets that feature Eddie Royal, Jabar Gaffney, Brandon Stokley and Chad Jackson.

That group of receivers might not be tall, but it's solid enough for Kyle Orton, who is going to operate a quick passing offense out of three- and five-step drops. The problem facing the Broncos is that because their defense is suspect, they probably are going to play a lot of shootouts. Orton is good, but I don't see him winning three games in which the defense surrendered 30 or more points, as Cutler did last season.

Plus, starting in Week 4, the Broncos face an eight-game stretch in which it's going to be hard to win many games. From Oct. 4 to Nov. 26, they face Dallas, New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Washington, San Diego and the Giants. They could lose all eight. Getting value for Marshall, who is in the final year of his contract, is the wise thing to do if McDaniels is going to build the Broncos back into a playoff team.

Marshall would be a great fit on the Ravens or the Jets. If neither team -- or another suitor -- offers a No. 1 and a No. 4, the Broncos will have to keep him, even though his attitude might cause his productivity to drop.

Mile High Mania
08-25-2009, 04:45 AM
There's no link, unless I'm missing it in the FF browser... but, there's nothing new here. Same ol' stuff about how they have to trade him and how tough the schedule is for two months after week3.

LaChapelle
08-25-2009, 05:45 AM
:elmer's:

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 05:47 AM
We have known all of this stuff since May.

beach tribe
08-25-2009, 05:54 AM
We have known all of this stuff since May.

It's going to be hilarious watching Orton try to keep up with your opponents without Marshall. Hell it would be funny with him.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 05:58 AM
It's going to be hilarious watching Orton try to keep up with your opponents without Marshall. Hell it would be funny with him.

I'm really not worried about it either way. Eddie Royal, Jabar Gaffney, and Brandon Stokely are all better WR's than anyone Orton has played with in the NFL. We have guys that can step up.

It's not like what would happen to KC if they were dumb enough to trade Tony Gonzal...... wait :doh!: ROFL

Kerberos
08-25-2009, 05:59 AM
I'm really not worried about it either way. Eddie Royal, Jabar Gaffney, and Brandon Stokely are all better WR's than anyone Orton has played with in the NFL. We have guys that can step up.

It's not like what would happen to KC if they were dumb enough to trade Tony Gonzal...... wait :doh!: ROFL

We'll see who's laughing come week 4 when McDUMBASS has no choice but to put Chris Simms in because Aborton sucks so bad.

You could have Moss, Welker, Royal and Stokely and it won't matter with Neckbeard throwing INT's left handed.

LaChapelle
08-25-2009, 06:09 AM
If Orton played with crap in Chicago. Cutler sure does well with it.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 06:12 AM
If Orton played with crap in Chicago. Cutler sure does well with it.

DB's have dropped 4 gimme INT's from Cutler this preseason. If the DB's caught those balls you wouldn't be saying that.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 06:13 AM
We'll see who's laughing come week 4 when McDUMBASS has no choice but to put Chris Simms in because Aborton sucks so bad.

You could have Moss, Welker, Royal and Stokely and it won't matter with Neckbeard throwing INT's left handed.

I am not hung up on that left handed pass like Chiefs fans are. Anyone who knows football would know that was a better decision than taking a sack.

LaChapelle
08-25-2009, 06:16 AM
:)

Red Beans
08-25-2009, 06:19 AM
I am not hung up on that left handed pass like Chiefs fans are. Anyone who knows football would know that was a better decision than taking a sack.

Yes, and crack is better for you than carrots...great for the lungs and just as good for the eyes.

Hog Farmer
08-25-2009, 06:20 AM
I am not hung up on that left handed pass like Chiefs fans are. Anyone who knows football would know that was a better decision than taking a sack.


Yeah. An interception is ALWAYS better than a sack.

For the defense.

Dipshit!

Stinger
08-25-2009, 06:27 AM
DB's have dropped 4 gimme INT's from Cutler this preseason. If the DB's caught those balls you wouldn't be saying that.

Like the 3 others the DB's have dropped against the Donx? One of them in the end zone against that would have negated a touchdown on the next play. So by your logic we can assume that you think the same of AbOrton, correct.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 06:29 AM
Yeah. An interception is ALWAYS better than a sack.

For the defense.

Dipshit!

It was 4th and Goal. Of course chucking the ball up for grabs is smarter than taking a sack.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 06:30 AM
Like the 3 others the DB's have dropped against the Donx? One of them in the end zone against that would have negated a touchdown on the next play. So by your logic we can assume that you think the same of AbOrton, correct.

No DB dropped an INT from Orton in the Seattle game. Scheffler broke up a bad pass and wound up catching it.

Kerberos
08-25-2009, 06:31 AM
I am not hung up on that left handed pass like Chiefs fans are. Anyone who knows football would know that was a better decision than taking a sack.

Lets see here DUMBASS.... taking a sack on the 6 or 7 yard line isn't better than throwing a ball up for grabs "Lefthanded" that can turn into an INT in the end zone giving the other team the ball on the 20? :doh!:

"I'm not a smart man Jenny but I do know what the better scenario here IS."

Jezuus ...throwing the ball OUT of the end zone would have been better than a left handed up for grabs throw.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 06:34 AM
Lets see here DUMBASS.... taking a sack on the 6 or 7 yard line isn't better than an INT in the end zone giving the other team the ball on the 20? :doh!:

"I'm not a smart man Jenny but I do know what the better scenario here IS."
Ok Herm.

LaChapelle
08-25-2009, 06:35 AM
A safety is like picking up a penny on the street/sitandspin

Agent V
08-25-2009, 06:38 AM
I'm really not worried about it either way. Eddie Royal, Jabar Gaffney, and Brandon Stokely are all better WR's than anyone Orton has played with in the NFL. We have guys that can step up.

It's not like what would happen to KC if they were dumb enough to trade Tony Gonzal...... wait :doh!: ROFL

What are you laughing about? We traded the best tight end in football with two years left on his career. You traded a franchise quarterback at 26 years old. I don't understand all this shit you sling around on here to defend your team. It baffles me.

Kerberos
08-25-2009, 06:40 AM
What are you laughing about? We traded the best tight end in football with two years left on his career. You traded a franchise quarterback at 26 years old. I don't understand all this shit you sling around on here to defend your team. It baffles me.

THIS

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 06:47 AM
What are you laughing about? We traded the best tight end in football with two years left on his career. You traded a franchise quarterback at 26 years old. I don't understand all this shit you sling around on here to defend your team. It baffles me.

We traded a QB who makes to many mistakes to take a team anywhere, who was second in the NFL in INT's thrown, and had the worst bad decision percentage of any QB in the NFL.

We got Kyle Orton, who fits perfectly into what Josh McDaniels wants to do... Who should have NO PROBLEM putting up a better QB Rating than the guy he replaced. That trade also let us get Knowshon Moreno, who has been compared to LaDanian Tomlinson by a bunch of people, and was the best RB in the entire draft. We also got Robert Ayers, who Mike Mayock said would be the best defensive player taken in the draft. And we got Alphonso Smith, the best cover corner in the draft, who would have been a top 10 pick if he was 2 inches taller.

I love the trade. We are better team because of that trade.

Agent V
08-25-2009, 06:58 AM
We traded a QB who makes to many mistakes to take a team anywhere, who was second in the NFL in INT's thrown, and had the worst bad decision percentage of any QB in the NFL.

We got Kyle Orton, who fits perfectly into what Josh McDaniels wants to do... Who should have NO PROBLEM putting up a better QB Rating than the guy he replaced. That trade also let us get Knowshon Moreno, who has been compared to LaDanian Tomlinson by a bunch of people, and was the best RB in the entire draft. We also got Robert Ayers, who Mike Mayock said would be the best defensive player taken in the draft. And we got Alphonso Smith, the best cover corner in the draft, who would have been a top 10 pick if he was 2 inches taller.

I love the trade. We are better team because of that trade.
Bravo good sir! Your team has done, according to you, EVERYTHING RIGHT this offseason. You have made the most groundbreaking trade for one of (if not THE) best quarterback in the NFL! Your unproven, rookie running back is simply a LaDanian Tomlinson clone! Robert Ayers, another unproven rookie, will save your floundering defense BY HIMSELF!

And if I'm not mistaken, your team has signed the greatest head coach in the NFL! The way he "subs and does things" according to one of your local radio contributors, will shock and revolutionize the NFL! Despite being 32 years old and unable to control a locker room, Josh McDaniels will rise above scrutiny and bestow his football master mind unto YOUR franchise, you lucky dog you!

Why, that could the first time in the history of NFL offseason this feat has been accomplished! No mistakes made! Every move seemingly perfect! You're destined for the Super Bowl young lad! From the mountain tops, tell the fans everything is okay! Tell Denver! Tell the WORLD!

And now you're on ignore. Good luck this coming season.

brophog
08-25-2009, 07:12 AM
Anyone who knows football would know that was a better decision than taking a sack.

Someone else must have informed you then.....

I don't think I've read anything from you that didn't tow the company line. I don't care who you are, Chiefs fan or Donkey lover, if you can't make objective decisions without sucking up to the organization, then you aren't exhibiting anything worth reading.

Bwana
08-25-2009, 07:13 AM
Dirt Nap............

Bane
08-25-2009, 07:16 AM
They cant trade Marshall now anyway,Mc Daniels would loose whats left of his locker room if that happened.

Bane
08-25-2009, 07:17 AM
I wonder it Orton had thrown that int to Ed Reed and he ran it back for a TD would you guys still say that it was better than taking a sack or throwing it away and turning it over on downs?

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 07:35 AM
I wonder it Orton had thrown that int to Ed Reed and he ran it back for a TD would you guys still say that it was better than taking a sack or throwing it away and turning it over on downs?

I also wonder if Jabar Gaffney or Brandon Stokely would have caught that pass, what throw would Chief fans rip Orton for?

Bane
08-25-2009, 07:41 AM
I also wonder if Jabar Gaffney or Brandon Stokely would have caught that pass, what throw would Chief fans rip Orton for?

Prob not,but you know us,were gonna give you guys shit every chance we get.Thats just one of the many things that makes this rivalry way much more fun than us and the faiders.ROFL

MahiMike
08-25-2009, 07:42 AM
I am not hung up on that left handed pass like Chiefs fans are. Anyone who knows football would know that was a better decision than taking a sack.

I am. If he's gonna attempt it, at least make it good. I can throw much better leftie than that! And no, I'm not a leftie. Terrible execution.

Bane
08-25-2009, 07:43 AM
Just for the record though (not that you care)but I dont like Orton,and dont think he will last as your starter.Even though I thought Cutler was a lil too cocky I still liked the guy,so thats pretty much where my petty BS comes from...:D

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-25-2009, 07:47 AM
DB's have dropped 4 gimme INT's from Cutler this preseason. If the DB's caught those balls you wouldn't be saying that.

While DB's may have dropped 4 INT's from Cutler, they have CAUGHT 4 thrown by Orton and dropped several more. His 2 games have been Abortons.

CoMoChief
08-25-2009, 08:08 AM
Ok Herm.

Sadly, even Herm knows this. For some reason you don't seem to grasp which situation is better.

KCtotheSB
08-25-2009, 08:33 AM
Before I say this, let me make it perfectly clear that I am thoroughly enjoying the Donkeys epic failure of an offseason and be the 1st, or 36412385701st Chiefs fan to say, "This was a long time coming for the Donks.".

With that said, if I were a neutral party, I would want to see Denver bench the ever loving shit out of Marshall for the season and trade his ass away next offseason. If you let Marshall go just like you did Cutler for his behavior, you're setting a dangerous precedence and saying its alright for anyone on that Denver team to misbehave in order to get what they want. Bench Marshall for the season and you regain the locker room and make it perfectly clear that nobody is above the team. He's a fantastic talent and his benching will sever any explosiveness the Broncos might have this season and in the future, but it's all about drawing a line in the sand. Trade Marshall just like you did Cutler and a rookie head coach loses the locker room (if he hasn't lost it already). Plus, if that would happen coupled with the Niners' situation with Crabtree, it would go a long way in keeping these "me-first" athletes all over the NFL from acting like grade-A bitches. In closing, **** Denver.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-25-2009, 08:35 AM
We traded a QB who makes to many mistakes to take a team anywhere, who was second in the NFL in INT's thrown, and had the worst bad decision percentage of any QB in the NFL.

We got Kyle Orton, who fits perfectly into what Josh McDaniels wants to do... Who should have NO PROBLEM putting up a better QB Rating than the guy he replaced. That trade also let us get Knowshon Moreno, who has been compared to LaDanian Tomlinson by a bunch of people, and was the best RB in the entire draft. We also got Robert Ayers, who Mike Mayock said would be the best defensive player taken in the draft. And we got Alphonso Smith, the best cover corner in the draft, who would have been a top 10 pick if he was 2 inches taller.

I love the trade. We are better team because of that trade.

Orton was the QB of a team that had the 16th scoring defense. He didn't have to 'win' games. He had to manage games. He still 'managed' to have a QB rating under 80, and under 3000 yards.

Yeah, Cutler had more interceptions. It is amazing what happens when the defense sucks eggs and you have to try to win a game.

Moreno is a good back. No dispute there. He is NOT LT. LT isn't 205lbs. LT is 220lbs. There is a huge difference there.

Moreno isn't as fast, he isn't as big, and he doesn't catch the ball as well. LT ran a 4.46. Moreno ran a 4.61.

As a UGA observer, Moreno is a good back and has good vision. But, he isn't the home run threat that LT is. He isn't as big as LT is. You took a small slow back in the first round.

You traded what is likely to be a top five pick for an undersized corner in the second round.

You traded away a franchise QB that was 26 years old, that would have been a starter for 2/3's of the league.

You got a guy that would have been a backup on nearly every other team in the league in Orton. I am really struggling to think of any other team besides Denver and San Fran that might actually start Orton.

And, YOU think you had a 'great' offseason.

Hey, this year should be fun. I hope you stick around.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-25-2009, 08:39 AM
I also wonder if Jabar Gaffney or Brandon Stokely would have caught that pass, what throw would Chief fans rip Orton for?

Okay.... a couple of things here.

#1) For this to be a discussion, it would seem that they would have had to have at least a chance to catch the ball. They had no such chance.

#2) The defender DID drop an INT the play before the TD.

#3) There is NO offense that Kyle Orton is perfect for.

Red Beans
08-25-2009, 08:41 AM
We traded a QB who makes to many mistakes to take a team anywhere, who was second in the NFL in INT's thrown, and had the worst bad decision percentage of any QB in the NFL.

We got Kyle Orton, who fits perfectly into what Josh McDaniels wants to do... Who should have NO PROBLEM putting up a better QB Rating than the guy he replaced. That trade also let us get Knowshon Moreno, who has been compared to LaDanian Tomlinson by a bunch of people, and was the best RB in the entire draft. We also got Robert Ayers, who Mike Mayock said would be the best defensive player taken in the draft. And we got Alphonso Smith, the best cover corner in the draft, who would have been a top 10 pick if he was 2 inches taller.

I love the trade. We are better team because of that trade.

Welcome to Homerville. Anybody who thinks Kyle Orton is better for anything opposed to Jay Cutler needs to seriously evaluate their intake of lead paint chips.

Jethopper
08-25-2009, 08:45 AM
He doesn't honestly believe 3/4s of the stuff he puts on here. He just wants a rise out of us.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 08:56 AM
Orton was the QB of a team that had the 16th scoring defense. He didn't have to 'win' games. He had to manage games. He still 'managed' to have a QB rating under 80, and under 3000 yards.

The Bears scored more points than the Broncos did and Devin Hester did not have a single kickoff or punt return TD. Orton was stuck in a horrible offense with no offensive line, no WR's, and a RB that only averaged 3.9 yards per carry. Ron Turner is a horrible offensive coordinator.

Yeah, Cutler had more interceptions. It is amazing what happens when the defense sucks eggs and you have to try to win a game.


Cutler played reckless whether Denver was up by 14 points or down by 14 points. That is just the way he plays.
Moreno is a good back. No dispute there. He is NOT LT. LT isn't 205lbs. LT is 220lbs. There is a huge difference there.

Moreno isn't as fast, he isn't as big, and he doesn't catch the ball as well. LT ran a 4.46. Moreno ran a 4.61.

As a UGA observer, Moreno is a good back and has good vision. But, he isn't the home run threat that LT is. He isn't as big as LT is. You took a small slow back in the first round.
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Knowshon weighs 217 pounds. The same weight that Adrian Peterson played at last year. Knowshon ran a 4.5 40 on some sites, and a 4.6 on others. But the consensus is he plays faster than his timed speed. He runs harder than LT, blocks better than LT did when he came out, was just as polished as a receiver, and has the same incredible balance that LT had coming out.


You traded what is likely to be a top five pick for an undersized corner in the second round.

You traded away a franchise QB that was 26 years old, that would have been a starter for 2/3's of the league.

You got a guy that would have been a backup on nearly every other team in the league in Orton. I am really struggling to think of any other team besides Denver and San Fran that might actually start Orton.

And, YOU think you had a 'great' offseason.

Hey, this year should be fun. I hope you stick around.

It was a great offseason. Cutler won't have as good of a year as he did last year. I have a lot of faith in Orton. He played damn well before he got injured last year. He showed if he has an offensive line and WR's that can get open he can play at high level in the NFL. He will not hold this team back.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 08:57 AM
At 5-foot-11, 217 pounds, Moreno is a mirror image of future Hall of Famer LaDainian Tomlinson. Everything that they do on the field is comparable, from their ability to their physique, even their versatility; it’s all eerily similar. And the irony is that Moreno ended up in the AFC West, the same division that Tomlinson tore up for the last decade. Moreno is a tremendously gifted offensive weapon who finished his career at Georgia with 1,400 yards and 16 touchdowns. He runs with outstanding pad level, displays great vision and tremendous cutback ability. He has a quick first step and is lethal on the edge. He’s deceptively strong between the tackles and will fight for extra yards. He’s faster than his timed speed suggests and has the potential to take it the distance from anywhere on the field. Moreno plays with a lot of emotions and is a high energy player who can occasionally be taken out of his game if he’s not productive. The upside of Moreno is limitless, his talent is obvious, and judging from the success that the ’08 running back class had in the NFL last year, don’t be surprised if he’s the starter on opening day.[/b]
http://profootball.scout.com/2/887802.html

Again, comparing Moreno to Tomlinson is a bit unfair, but when you watch footage of Tomlinson at TCU and Moreno at Georgia, you can’t help but compare the two. The running styles of Tomlinson and Moreno are very similar. When Tomlinson starred at TCU, he held the ball up high and tight in the open field (he’s lowered the ball a bit over the years), not allowing defenders the opportunity to force it out. Moreno carries the ball in the same manner, and that’s why he rarely fumbles.

Their ability to get through the smallest crease and use their animal-like vision to cut smoothly is uncanny. Their body build is average in stature, but strong and compact, and can take a pounding between the tackles. They’re savvy enough to realize if they go down when crowded by defenders they will avoid a big hit. They possess toughness in pass protection and are aware of their surroundings to be able to slip out in the flat and provide their quarterback with a passing option.

Moreno is a tremendously gifted offensive weapon who is a threat to take it to the house any time he touches the ball. He runs with outstanding pad level, displays great vision and cutback ability. He has a quick first step and is lethal on the edge. He’s deceptively strong between the tackles and will fight for extra yards. He shows patience, waits for his blockers to set up in front of him and instantly hits the hole. He’s dangerous out of the backfield in the passing game flashing reliable hands, shifty moves and a second-gear that takes him the distance. He’s a determined player who will do whatever it takes for his team to win.
http://seahawknationblog.com/2009/02/nfl-draft-knowshon-moreno-better-than-ladainian-tomlinson/

I’ve made no secret that Moreno is one of my favorite players in this draft, or frankly any draft, and there is a good reason. Too often we make a big deal about size/speed, especially at the HB position, but there are tons of HOF/Pro-bowl backs who don’t have exceptional size/speed combinations but make up for it in other ways. IMO, Moreno is one of those backs. He has the best balance I’ve seen, the best pass blocking I’ve seen, and the greatest intensity I’ve seen in the few years I’ve been scouting. He’s a good all-around back capable of running any play, and as a receiver he is excellent at generating 1st downs. Two players I am reminded of are Shaun Alexander (due to vision and inside running, but Moreno is a killer blocker and receiver where Alexander was poor at both) and Clinton Portis (the 2005+ version who is a great blocker and inside runner, not the 200lber from college), and I feel Moreno could be better than either because he truly is the best thing about each of those two backs. While I don’t recommend drafting a RB #4 overall due to money and the overall fungible nature of the RB position, Moreno had huge success behind a pretty bad Georgia OL and if given a decent OL I see pro-bowls and possibly Canton in Moreno’s future.
http://collegescout.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/knowshon-moreno-rb-georgia/

SenselessChiefsFan
08-25-2009, 09:06 AM
It was a great offseason. Cutler won't have as good of a year as he did last year. I have a lot of faith in Orton. He played damn well before he got injured last year. He showed if he has an offensive line and WR's that can get open he can play at high level in the NFL. He will not hold this team back.

First, you left out the part that the Bears had 7 defensive and special teams scores, the Broncos had two.

Oh, and the Bears had a safety.... Broncos did not.

The Broncos OFFENSE scored 22.25 pts per game. The Bears OFFENSE scored 21.125 pts per game.

So, as with most of your points. YOU ARE WRONG!


Second, Knowshon doesn't do ANYTHING better than LT. Nothing. Not getting on the bus, drinking gatoraide, wiping his a$$..... Nothing.

I would hope he plays faster than his 40 time, because he is slow. And, according to the NFL, he weighs 205. I would love to take your word for it... but given your post history and outright lies.... I just can't.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-25-2009, 09:07 AM
http://www.nfl.com/players/knowshonmoreno/profile?id=MOR120768

DaFace
08-25-2009, 09:09 AM
He doesn't honestly believe 3/4s of the stuff he puts on here. He just wants a rise out of us.

Yep. I don't really get why people continue to respond to him seriously.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 09:09 AM
http://www.nfl.com/players/knowshonmoreno/profile?id=MOR120768
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/knowshon-moreno?id=79619

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 09:10 AM
First, you left out the part that the Bears had 7 defensive and special teams scores, the Broncos had two.

Oh, and the Bears had a safety.... Broncos did not.

The Broncos OFFENSE scored 22.25 pts per game. The Bears OFFENSE scored 21.125 pts per game.

So, as with most of your points. YOU ARE WRONG!


Second, Knowshon doesn't do ANYTHING better than LT. Nothing. Not getting on the bus, drinking gatoraide, wiping his a$$..... Nothing.

I would hope he plays faster than his 40 time, because he is slow. And, according to the NFL, he weighs 205. I would love to take your word for it... but given your post history and outright lies.... I just can't.

oooo 1 whole point per game. I figured a team QB'ed by the GOD that is Jay Cutler would put up at least 10 more points than an offense led by Kyle Orton.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-25-2009, 09:14 AM
http://profootball.scout.com/2/887802.html


http://seahawknationblog.com/2009/02/nfl-draft-knowshon-moreno-better-than-ladainian-tomlinson/

http://collegescout.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/knowshon-moreno-rb-georgia/

LOL.... wow... great 'sources'... really great insight there.

Moreno is smaller than 217. He already has a sprained MCL. Will most likely miss the rest of the preseason.

Brody Croyle has lasted longer in the preseason than Moreno.... that's a bad sign.

Kerberos
08-25-2009, 09:15 AM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/knowshon-moreno?id=79619

Draft is over boy. Try to keep up with current events.

rockymtnchief
08-25-2009, 09:17 AM
I am not hung up on that left handed pass like Chiefs fans are. Anyone who knows football would know that was a better decision than taking a sack.
Sorry, I had to take him off 'ignore'. This shit is hilarious!

SenselessChiefsFan
08-25-2009, 09:17 AM
oooo 1 whole point per game. I figured a team QB'ed by the GOD that is Jay Cutler would put up at least 10 more points than an offense led by Kyle Orton.

It still destroys your original point.

Not to mention, average starting position.

This week does make for some interesting drama.

KCtotheSB
08-25-2009, 09:17 AM
Now I know what other AFC West fans see when they read BarrysKoolAid's posts....ugh....

There's really nothing you can say or do to change the mind of a hardcore homer. You can warn them continuously that their team is going to epically suck, but it never gets through. The only way he'll learn is by watching his team go 1-10 through Week 12 while the rest of us laugh a hearty laugh. Of course, KnowNothing will no longer be around here at that point.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 09:17 AM
LOL.... wow... great 'sources'... really great insight there.

Moreno is smaller than 217. He already has a sprained MCL. Will most likely miss the rest of the preseason.

Brody Croyle has lasted longer in the preseason than Moreno.... that's a bad sign.

Yep Knowshon has a 1-2 week injury. But he didn't have a significant injury in college and rarely takes a big shot. He will be ready week 1 of the regular season, and is the favorite to win rookie of the year.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-25-2009, 09:20 AM
Yep Knowshon has a 1-2 week injury. But he didn't have a significant injury in college and rarely takes a big shot. He will be ready week 1 of the regular season, and is the favorite to win rookie of the year.

Um... just because you and all your circle jerking Bronco Buddies talk about him while you dutch rudder each other doesn't make him the favorite to win rookie of the year.

Oh, and considering the injury occurred a week and a half ago and he isn't supposed to be back until the start of the season, which is two and a half weeks away.

Um, that's four weeks, dumba$$.

KCtotheSB
08-25-2009, 09:25 AM
Um... just because you and all your circle jerking Bronco Buddies talk about him while you dutch rudder each other doesn't make him the favorite to win rookie of the year.

Oh, and considering the injury occurred a week and a half ago and he isn't supposed to be back until the start of the season, which is two and a half weeks away.

Um, that's four weeks, dumba$$.

Dutch rudder? :spock:

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 09:27 AM
Um... just because you and all your circle jerking Bronco Buddies talk about him while you dutch rudder each other doesn't make him the favorite to win rookie of the year.

Oh, and considering the injury occurred a week and a half ago and he isn't supposed to be back until the start of the season, which is two and a half weeks away.

Um, that's four weeks, dumba$$.

Dude. McDaniels isn't going to throw him into a game before week 1. Knowshon should start practicing sometime this week.

Chief Faithful
08-25-2009, 09:28 AM
Orton was the QB of a team that had the 16th scoring defense. He didn't have to 'win' games. He had to manage games. He still 'managed' to have a QB rating under 80, and under 3000 yards.

Yeah, Cutler had more interceptions. It is amazing what happens when the defense sucks eggs and you have to try to win a game.

Moreno is a good back. No dispute there. He is NOT LT. LT isn't 205lbs. LT is 220lbs. There is a huge difference there.

Moreno isn't as fast, he isn't as big, and he doesn't catch the ball as well. LT ran a 4.46. Moreno ran a 4.61.

As a UGA observer, Moreno is a good back and has good vision. But, he isn't the home run threat that LT is. He isn't as big as LT is. You took a small slow back in the first round.

You traded what is likely to be a top five pick for an undersized corner in the second round.

You traded away a franchise QB that was 26 years old, that would have been a starter for 2/3's of the league.

You got a guy that would have been a backup on nearly every other team in the league in Orton. I am really struggling to think of any other team besides Denver and San Fran that might actually start Orton.

And, YOU think you had a 'great' offseason.

Hey, this year should be fun. I hope you stick around.

Accurate, I still don't understand why he was considered the top back in the draft.

Chief Faithful
08-25-2009, 09:36 AM
It was a great offseason. Cutler won't have as good of a year as he did last year. I have a lot of faith in Orton. He played damn well before he got injured last year. He showed if he has an offensive line and WR's that can get open he can play at high level in the NFL. He will not hold this team back.

It is good you have faith in Orton and I to am glad the trade was made. Better to have a weak armed game manager than a strong armed gun slinger. Who likes watching their team have to rely on the gun slinger to make a come back weak after weak. Live by the gun die by the gun. So much safer to just manage the game.

By the way, as long as you have Orton you don't need Brandon Marshall. Orton doesn't really have the arm to take advantage of any down field threats so there is no need to give in to him. Broncos just need to send him home without pay until he learns to behave. When you are trying to manage games you don't need the distraction.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-25-2009, 09:38 AM
I know some teams have big homers, but knowshit is the ultimate homer. I mean hes the only fan i know that can say the broncos have had a successful season. I bet you 99% of the broncos fans would say they had a shitty offseason.

MikeMaslowski
08-25-2009, 09:41 AM
I know there has been threads about this before, but what was the CP consensus about signing that idiot?

Guessing it was about the same as signing Charles Rodgers....hopefully.

Bane
08-25-2009, 09:42 AM
Dutch rudder? :spock:

WTFROFLROFLROFLROFL

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 09:44 AM
:)

ROFL

Is there any insult the "Sit and Spin" CAN'T master?

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 09:45 AM
I know some teams have big homers, but knowshit is the ultimate homer. I mean hes the only fan i know that can say the broncos have had a successful season. I bet you 99% of the broncos fans would say they had a shitty offseason.

Let's put him and Barry in an 8X10 rubber room and let them slap-fight to the death!

JD10367
08-25-2009, 09:55 AM
We traded a QB who makes to many mistakes to take a team anywhere, who was second in the NFL in INT's thrown, and had the worst bad decision percentage of any QB in the NFL.

When he was a Bronco, he was an up-and-comer, one of the best young QBs, and all Denver fans loved him. Now, he's a bum. Bravo.

We got Kyle Orton, who fits perfectly into what Josh McDaniels wants to do... Who should have NO PROBLEM putting up a better QB Rating than the guy he replaced.

You got Kyle Orton, who was Sloppy Seconds because Little Josh went after Cassell in the 11th hour, way too late, and he was then forced to make whatever deal he could make to ship out the unhappy Cutler.

I won't pretend that I thought very highly of Cutler. He was still touch-and-go from where I sat, and depending upon how it goes in Chicago will determine whether he's heading more towards Drew Bledsoe or more towards Ryan Leaf. But Orton, plugger though he is, is about as game-managing and system-QB as you can get. He's the guy you go to when all else fails, the bland Huard-type of QB who keeps the seat warm.

Bane
08-25-2009, 10:00 AM
When he was a Bronco, he was an up-and-comer, one of the best young QBs, and all Denver fans loved him. Now, he's a bum. Bravo.



You got Kyle Orton, who was Sloppy Seconds because Little Josh went after Cassell in the 11th hour, way too late, and he was then forced to make whatever deal he could make to ship out the unhappy Cutler.

I won't pretend that I thought very highly of Cutler. He was still touch-and-go from where I sat, and depending upon how it goes in Chicago will determine whether he's heading more towards Drew Bledsoe or more towards Ryan Leaf. But Orton, plugger though he is, is about as game-managing and system-QB as you can get. He's the guy you go to when all else fails, the bland Huard-type of QB who keeps the seat warm.

I would have like to seen the reactions of both teams fans at the same time when this deal hit the news wire.How many Bronco fans do you really think were like yeah we got Kyle Orton!!!!!!WOO HOO!!!!!ROFL

vailpass
08-25-2009, 10:03 AM
Ah preseason. The time where you can forget that your team has been at the bottom of the barrel for years. The time where you feel good enough about the upcoming season that you think you are in a position to talk smack about another team. The thime that you believe change has finally come.
Preseason, the very best time to be a Chiefs fan.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-25-2009, 10:05 AM
When he was a Bronco, he was an up-and-comer, one of the best young QBs, and all Denver fans loved him. Now, he's a bum. Bravo.



You got Kyle Orton, who was Sloppy Seconds because Little Josh went after Cassell in the 11th hour, way too late, and he was then forced to make whatever deal he could make to ship out the unhappy Cutler.

I won't pretend that I thought very highly of Cutler. He was still touch-and-go from where I sat, and depending upon how it goes in Chicago will determine whether he's heading more towards Drew Bledsoe or more towards Ryan Leaf. But Orton, plugger though he is, is about as game-managing and system-QB as you can get. He's the guy you go to when all else fails, the bland Huard-type of QB who keeps the seat warm.

I have thought Cutler was the best QB in that draft since the day he was drafted. I hated to see him go to Denver. The great news is that they traded him away.

JD10367
08-25-2009, 10:06 AM
Ah preseason. The time where you can forget that your team has been at the bottom of the barrel for years. The time where you feel good enough about the upcoming season that you think you are in a position to talk smack about another team. The thime that you believe change has finally come.
Preseason, the very best time to be a Chiefs fan.

"This is the year!"

http://grafiqa.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/charlie_brown_lucy_football.jpg

On the other hand, maybe Carl was Lucy.

dj56dt58
08-25-2009, 10:06 AM
That group of receivers might not be tall, but it's solid enough for Kyle Orton, who is going to be throwing the ball to the other team anyways

Fixed

Bane
08-25-2009, 10:07 AM
"This is the year!"

http://grafiqa.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/charlie_brown_lucy_football.jpg

On the other hand, maybe Carl was Lucy.

:bravo:

dj56dt58
08-25-2009, 10:08 AM
Yep Knowshon has a 1-2 week injury. But he didn't have a significant injury in college and rarely takes a big shot. He will be ready week 1 of the regular season, and is the favorite to win rookie of the year.

wow..before taking one snap in a regular season game? And without any resemblance of a quarterback? Good Luck with that

SenselessChiefsFan
08-25-2009, 10:11 AM
Ah preseason. The time where you can forget that your team has been at the bottom of the barrel for years. The time where you feel good enough about the upcoming season that you think you are in a position to talk smack about another team. The thime that you believe change has finally come.
Preseason, the very best time to be a Chiefs fan.


Only the Detroit Lion fans while Matt Millen was still in charge wouldn't have room to criticize this pathetic offseason that the Broncos have had.

Oh, and to review.... McDaniels covets our QB. He traded away a 26 year old Pro Bowl QB. I am sure he was not going to get any better, huh? Orton has been in the league longer than Cutler and has NEVER had a passer rating in any season as high as Cutler's in any season.

Yeah, the Chiefs sucked last year... and the year before.

That is why they changed GM and HC.

The fact that our GM/HC upgraded our QB... and your's downgraded the Broncos QB..... puts the early returns clearly in the Chiefs favor.

Only myopic Bronco fans miss that. It isn't like the Fans in here are saying anything that the Bronco's own beatwriters aren't saying.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-25-2009, 10:11 AM
Fixed

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

ClevelandBronco
08-25-2009, 10:14 AM
I...


How did you manage to edit that?

BigChiefFan
08-25-2009, 10:17 AM
Anybody that thinks Orton has more upside than Cutler has lost their mind.

Kerberos
08-25-2009, 10:23 AM
I would have like to seen the reactions of both teams fans at the same time when this deal hit the news wire.How many Bronco fans do you really think were like yeah we got Kyle Orton!!!!!!WOO HOO!!!!!ROFL

I know of at least 1

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 10:24 AM
Ah preseason. The time where you can forget that your team has been reduced to the bottom of the AFC West barrel. The time where you can feel good and pretend that you won't get ass-raped by the Faiders in regular season play. The time you can believe that the changes brought to your already Clownshoe Franchise really ARE for the best!
Preseason, the very best time to be a pseudo-witty Donko Fan named Fail Ass.

Fixed it, bitch.

salame
08-25-2009, 10:28 AM
http://static.berryreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/brandon-swift.jpg

vailpass
08-25-2009, 10:31 AM
Only the Detroit Lion fans while Matt Millen was still in charge wouldn't have room to criticize this pathetic offseason that the Broncos have had.

Oh, and to review.... McDaniels covets our QB. He traded away a 26 year old Pro Bowl QB. I am sure he was not going to get any better, huh? Orton has been in the league longer than Cutler and has NEVER had a passer rating in any season as high as Cutler's in any season.

Yeah, the Chiefs sucked last year... and the year before.

That is why they changed GM and HC.

The fact that our GM/HC upgraded our QB... and your's downgraded the Broncos QB..... puts the early returns clearly in the Chiefs favor.

Only myopic Bronco fans miss that. It isn't like the Fans in here are saying anything that the Bronco's own beatwriters aren't saying.

It's good to see some of you ready to run some smack this year. It has been sad-sack city around this place the last couple seasons. Last year I kicked and screamed to stir up even a little rivalry-run during KC-Denver week. IIRC I was the only one who said KC would probably beat Denver in CamaroHead. Pretty bad when a friggin' Bronco fan has to go that far to get some reaction.

Anway I'm glad to see the old fire returning here. It will quickly be quenched come regular season but still.........

Kerberos
08-25-2009, 10:33 AM
http://static.berryreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/brandon-swift.jpg




Salame Salame Baloney

vailpass
08-25-2009, 10:33 AM
Anybody that thinks Orton has more upside than Cutler has lost their mind.

No fugging doubt.
"My corvette was nice but I think I like this prius even better".
Bullshit.

Kerberos
08-25-2009, 10:36 AM
It's good to see some of you ready to run some smack this year. It has been sad-sack city around this place the last couple seasons. Last year I kicked and screamed to stir up even a little rivalry-run during KC-Denver week. IIRC I was the only one who said KC would probably beat Denver in CamaroHead. Pretty bad when a friggin' Bronco fan has to go that far to get some reaction.

Anway I'm glad to see the old fire returning here. It will quickly be quenched come regular season but still.........

Hey we already know we suck till proved otherwise. On the OTHER HAND it is the Bronco's fans in DENIAL that are F***ing hilarious.

This is the biggest shipwreck of an off season for the Donks and yet homers like yourself want to spin every negative thing said.

So spin away Vail man .....Spin away.

vailpass
08-25-2009, 10:37 AM
Hey we already know we suck till proven otherwise. On the OTHERHAND it is the Bronco's fans in DENIAL that are F***ing hilarious.

This is the bigest shipwreck of an offseason for the Donks and yet homers like yourself want to spin every negative thing said.

So spin away Vail man .....Spin away.

I think you missed the point of my post, or you have me confused with someone else.

Kerberos
08-25-2009, 10:41 AM
I think you missed the point of my post, or you have me confused with someone else.

Your right as you have not come out and said you think the Cutler for Aborton deal was the greatest thing ever. I actually think you are smarter than that?

beach tribe
08-25-2009, 10:46 AM
Check it out.

I found a video of HoMo2724.

"Best trade Denver ever made" "Yeah!!"

Could someone please switch this to his avatar?

vailpass
08-25-2009, 10:46 AM
Your right as you have not come out and said you think the Cutler for Aborton deal was the greatest thing ever. I actually think you are smarter than that?

Child Please!/OchoCinco

beach tribe
08-25-2009, 10:51 AM
Child Please!/OchoCinco


That's what that HoMo2724 idiot has been saying. How the hell could he bo so clueless. It's obvious he's just a homer though. I mean his damn user name was Cutler2724 before he changed it. If Cutler was still a donk, he would be saying that he is arguably the best QB in football.

salame
08-25-2009, 10:52 AM
my friend who is a broncos fan hates cutler now

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 10:53 AM
Check it out.

I found a video of HoMo2724.

"Best trade Denver ever made" "Yeah!!"

Could someone please switch this to his avatar?

ROFL

beach tribe
08-25-2009, 10:54 AM
my friend who is a broncos fan hates cutler now

We should start a thread about the Raiders. Then you could say, "My friend who is a Raiders fan........"

JKWY

salame
08-25-2009, 11:00 AM
We should start a thread about the Raiders. Then you could say, "My friend who is a Raiders fan........"

JKWY

I am a Bears fan.
I want to kiss Jay cutler with tongue.
and help him with his insulin shots

DBOSHO
08-25-2009, 11:04 AM
He wouldve caught ortons leftie pass....

Quiet Storm
08-25-2009, 11:38 AM
DB's have dropped 4 gimme INT's from Cutler this preseason. If the DB's caught those balls you wouldn't be saying that.

Are you really going to say that? Wow...SMH...

Your stupidity leaves people mystified. Comparing LT to Knowshown? Ooook. Didn't he already get injured? LT has missed one regular season game in 8 seasons. I think Moreno looks like a formidable back but I also look at him and think that one big, square hit from a LB or S and his terry cloth frame is going to buckle.

Your faith in Orton (the left handed wonder) is delusional.

KC Dan
08-25-2009, 11:45 AM
This is the BEST donkey offseason evar!!!!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Thank you Denver!

Quiet Storm
08-25-2009, 11:54 AM
"You can see that potential in the way he chuckles about his recent demotion to the Broncos' scout team. You can hear it when he talks about how little he trusts the franchise or knows the team's new offense. Nearly everything Marshall does these days sends one obvious message: He's only just begun to torment a franchise that needs to quickly figure out how to deal with this dilemma."

ROFL

McDaniels.....I'm Lovin it!

beach tribe
08-25-2009, 12:06 PM
He wouldve caught ortons leftie pass....

I love how D-Bowe speaks in misspelled words.

talastan
08-25-2009, 12:45 PM
Does anyone else find it hilarious that the guy who used to be named, Cutler2724 is now dissing his former QB since he left the team?! ROFL HoMo2724 STFU

The Bad Guy
08-25-2009, 12:57 PM
Moreno compared to LaDainian Tomlinson? Where the fuck did you see that?

I call bullshit to the highest power.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 01:04 PM
Moreno compared to LaDainian Tomlinson? Where the **** did you see that?

I call bullshit to the highest power.

At 5-foot-11, 217 pounds, Moreno is a mirror image of future Hall of Famer LaDainian Tomlinson. Everything that they do on the field is comparable, from their ability to their physique, even their versatility; itís all eerily similar. And the irony is that Moreno ended up in the AFC West, the same division that Tomlinson tore up for the last decade. Moreno is a tremendously gifted offensive weapon who finished his career at Georgia with 1,400 yards and 16 touchdowns. He runs with outstanding pad level, displays great vision and tremendous cutback ability. He has a quick first step and is lethal on the edge. Heís deceptively strong between the tackles and will fight for extra yards. Heís faster than his timed speed suggests and has the potential to take it the distance from anywhere on the field. Moreno plays with a lot of emotions and is a high energy player who can occasionally be taken out of his game if heís not productive. The upside of Moreno is limitless, his talent is obvious, and judging from the success that the í08 running back class had in the NFL last year, donít be surprised if heís the starter on opening day.[/b]
http://profootball.scout.com/2/887802.html

Again, comparing Moreno to Tomlinson is a bit unfair, but when you watch footage of Tomlinson at TCU and Moreno at Georgia, you canít help but compare the two. The running styles of Tomlinson and Moreno are very similar. When Tomlinson starred at TCU, he held the ball up high and tight in the open field (heís lowered the ball a bit over the years), not allowing defenders the opportunity to force it out. Moreno carries the ball in the same manner, and thatís why he rarely fumbles.

Their ability to get through the smallest crease and use their animal-like vision to cut smoothly is uncanny. Their body build is average in stature, but strong and compact, and can take a pounding between the tackles. Theyíre savvy enough to realize if they go down when crowded by defenders they will avoid a big hit. They possess toughness in pass protection and are aware of their surroundings to be able to slip out in the flat and provide their quarterback with a passing option.

Moreno is a tremendously gifted offensive weapon who is a threat to take it to the house any time he touches the ball. He runs with outstanding pad level, displays great vision and cutback ability. He has a quick first step and is lethal on the edge. Heís deceptively strong between the tackles and will fight for extra yards. He shows patience, waits for his blockers to set up in front of him and instantly hits the hole. Heís dangerous out of the backfield in the passing game flashing reliable hands, shifty moves and a second-gear that takes him the distance. Heís a determined player who will do whatever it takes for his team to win.
http://seahawknationblog.com/2009/02/nfl-draft-knowshon-moreno-better-than-ladainian-tomlinson/

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 01:08 PM
Anybody that thinks Orton has more upside than Cutler has lost their mind.

You have never seen me say that. You guys are really exaggerating what I am saying about Orton. I think Orton can have a QB Rating just as high as Cutler's with less INT's.

This is what I expect out of Orton this year.

A QB Rating above 85
At least 3500 passing yards
20-25 TD passes
A completion percentage above 60
and 12-15 INT's

I do think Orton is a better fit for this system than Cutler would have been, but I do think Cutler is the better QB. Just not 2 first round draft picks better.

DBOSHO
08-25-2009, 01:34 PM
I love how D-Bowe speaks in misspelled words.

yeah..im more about getting my message across than ,s and .s

The Bad Guy
08-25-2009, 01:39 PM
So a scout.com website and a Seahawk fan blog? I'm going to create a blog comparing him to Quentin Griffin and use that as gospel.

God you fucking suck at all facets of life.

The Bad Guy
08-25-2009, 01:40 PM
You have never seen me say that. You guys are really exaggerating what I am saying about Orton. I think Orton can have a QB Rating just as high as Cutler's with less INT's.

This is what I expect out of Orton this year.

A QB Rating above 85
At least 3500 passing yards
20-25 TD passes
A completion percentage above 60
and 12-15 INT's

I do think Orton is a better fit for this system than Cutler would have been, but I do think Cutler is the better QB. Just not 2 first round draft picks better.

And you are fucking dillusional.

Your system is a very QB friendly system, and you think some weak armed moron is better than the guy with the cannon?

You are in the KCJohnny class of homers. Population:2.

brophog
08-25-2009, 01:49 PM
A QB Rating above 85
At least 3500 passing yards
20-25 TD passes
A completion percentage above 60
and 12-15 INT's




How many miracles would this take?

1) Never done it
2) Never done it
3) Never done it
4) Never done it
5) Per the expected TD ratio: Never done it


At least we know these expectations were reasonable ones. ROFL


I'm telling you, again, Knowbrain, you don't know shit about Kyle Orton and you're going to be sorely disappointed because of it. You might as well start making a lame excuse list now for when these wet dreams of yours don't come to fruition.

Chief Faithful
08-25-2009, 01:49 PM
You have never seen me say that. You guys are really exaggerating what I am saying about Orton. I think Orton can have a QB Rating just as high as Cutler's with less INT's.

This is what I expect out of Orton this year.

A QB Rating above 85
At least 3500 passing yards
20-25 TD passes
A completion percentage above 60
and 12-15 INT's

I do think Orton is a better fit for this system than Cutler would have been, but I do think Cutler is the better QB. Just not 2 first round draft picks better.

Huard would be an even better fit although he is not available. But, maybe you could get Trent Dilfer he would be a good fit.

KCtotheSB
08-25-2009, 01:54 PM
KnowNothing is trolling the bejesus out of ChiefsPlanet.

thecoffeeguy
08-25-2009, 01:58 PM
You have never seen me say that. You guys are really exaggerating what I am saying about Orton. I think Orton can have a QB Rating just as high as Cutler's with less INT's.

This is what I expect out of Orton this year.

A QB Rating above 85
At least 3500 passing yards
20-25 TD passes
A completion percentage above 60
and 12-15 INT's

I do think Orton is a better fit for this system than Cutler would have been, but I do think Cutler is the better QB. Just not 2 first round draft picks better.


ROFLROFL

Halfcan
08-25-2009, 01:58 PM
a #1 and # 4 for that cancer-LOL

OctoberFart
08-25-2009, 02:00 PM
I am not hung up on that left handed pass like Chiefs fans are. Anyone who knows football would know that was a better decision than taking a sack.

So throwing a pick and giving the opponents the ball at the 20(best case scenerio) vs tossing it out of the endzone or taking a sack at the 5 or closer pinning the opponent down is a better decision? Did you watch the Superbowl this year? Game was decided on that scenerio had Warner taken a sack/incomplete pass there wouldn't of been a 10 pt swing in Pitts favor.

JD10367
08-25-2009, 02:09 PM
Does anyone else find it hilarious that the guy who used to be named, Cutler2724 is now dissing his former QB since he left the team?! ROFL HoMo2724 STFU

What happens if Moreno turns out to be a dog turd?

Hey, the Pats just traded a backup O-lineman. How about Hochstein2724? Gaffney2724? JoshieMcDee2724?

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 02:14 PM
I'm telling you, again, Knowbrain, you don't know shit about Kyle Orton and you're going to be sorely disappointed because of it. You might as well start making a lame excuse list now for when these wet dreams of yours don't come to fruition.

I have downloaded every game from last year and saw the crap he had around him in Chicago. No QB could have played well with the offensive line and WR's Chicago had last year.

No team in the NFL has a better offense around their QB than Denver. The Pats have Moss and Welker, but they don't have the offensive line, RB's, and TE's we have. The Cardinals have the WR's, but they don't have the the offensive line, RB's, and TE's we have. Denver is stacked. And any smart QB can play very well in this system.

The Bad Guy
08-25-2009, 02:19 PM
I have downloaded every game from last year and saw the crap he had around him in Chicago. No QB could have played well with the offensive line and WR's Chicago had last year.

No team in the NFL has a better offense around their QB than Denver. The Pats have Moss and Welker, but they don't have the offensive line, RB's, and TE's we have. The Cardinals have the WR's, but they don't have the the offensive line, RB's, and TE's we have. Denver is stacked. And any smart QB can play very well in this system.

What a compete and utter pile of shit.

The Cardinals absolutely have a better offense. The only thing that the Broncos have that the Cardinals don't is Ryan Clady. The Broncos have no equal to Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitz. Not even when that primadonna Brandon Marshall is playing.

The Patriots also wipe their asses with the Broncos skill set players. The Patriots have a very smart offensive line, which I'll take anyday over the Broncos and their bullshit offensive players.

I'd also take the Chargers and Colts offense long before Denver even made the discussion.
Comparing the Broncos to the Patriots and Cardinals is a complete joke.

JD10367
08-25-2009, 02:21 PM
No team in the NFL has a better offense around their QB than Denver.

I had to emphasize this, 'cause it's probably the funniest thing I've yet read on this board.

brophog
08-25-2009, 02:28 PM
I have downloaded every game from last year and saw the crap he had around him in Chicago. No QB could have played well with the offensive line and WR's Chicago had last year.



By your posts, I'm sure it was a brilliant evaluation on your part, too.

TRR
08-25-2009, 02:40 PM
I remember going through what KnowMo is going through right now...trying to convince myself that a QB like Damon Huard (among other examples) can get the job done and manage a game...

Deep down you know its not true, but you try and dig up useless stats to prove a point, or watch old film to prove to yourself that they are of starting caliber...

You figure out quickly that no matter the stats or the occasional good throw, or the built in excuse that they didn't have enough weapons around them...guys like Huard and Orton are no better than BACKUPS.
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Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 02:41 PM
I remember going through what KnowMo is going through right now...trying to convince myself that a QB like Damon Huard can get the job done and manage a game...

Deep down you know its not true, but you try and dig up useless stats to prove a point, or watch old film to prove to yourself that they are of starting caliber...

You figure out quickly that no matter the stats or the occasional good throw, or the built in excuse that they didn't have enough weapons around them...guys like Huard and Orton are no better than BACKUPS.
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How do you feel about Cassel? You know that 60 million dollar backup QB you signed...

TRR
08-25-2009, 02:44 PM
How do you feel about Cassel? You know that 60 million dollar backup QB you signed...

Lol! Considering he's only 27 years old, and played 1 season winning 11 games....pretty good!

Especially since he didn't get beat out by Rex Grossman on more than one occasion.
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Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 02:56 PM
Lol! Considering he's only 27 years old, and played 1 season winning 11 games....pretty good!

Especially since he didn't get beat out by Rex Grossman on more than one occasion.
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Kyle Orton is only 26.

The Bad Guy
08-25-2009, 03:05 PM
Kyle Orton is only 26.

This thread is going to provide instant comedy for a long time when this season starts going.

KCChiefsMan
08-25-2009, 03:09 PM
new bang cartoon with some broncos in it

http://www.bangcartoon.com/2008/preseason_update.htm

Just Passin' By
08-25-2009, 03:28 PM
No team in the NFL has a better offense around their QB than Denver. The Pats have Moss and Welker, but they don't have the offensive line, RB's, and TE's we have. The Cardinals have the WR's, but they don't have the the offensive line, RB's, and TE's we have. Denver is stacked. And any smart QB can play very well in this system.

This is probably the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2009, 03:35 PM
This is probably the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post.

Does NE have a better offensive line than Denver? NO
Does NE have a better group of TE's? NO

Does NE have a group of RB's? NO

Moss and Welker are very comparable to Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal and Denver stole Jabar Gaffney from you and have the 2nd best slot receiver in the NFL in Brandon Stokely.

notorious
08-25-2009, 03:43 PM
Perspective. KnowMo is getting attention which makes him happy. He is being positive about his team which seems like the better way to go, but when they fall flat on their face, he will hate to watch his team.

As I was matured over the years, I have changed from being an optimist to being a cynic. Support the proven players, and be cynical, or in other words, realistic about the others. Your expectations about a team that you have ABSOLUTELY NO control over will be low, and if they overachieve you will be very happy.

Expecting good things out of a failed QB, horrible Defense, and a new head coach with all kinds of trust and loyalty problems is just asking to be let down. We should know, we are Chiefs fans, we have lost with great defenses mixed with bad offense, bad defense mixed with good offense, and last year we lost with the most pathetic pile of shit team I have seen in a long time.

Do what you want KnowMo, but an outside perspective is often a nice dose of reality which will save you from being let down because of a horrible season.

Bane
08-25-2009, 03:47 PM
Maybe he's in the twilight zone!!!!
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Just Passin' By
08-25-2009, 03:50 PM
Does NE have a better offensive line than Denver? NO
Does NE have a better group of TE's? NO

Does NE have a group of RB's? NO

Moss and Welker are very comparable to Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal and Denver stole Jabar Gaffney from you and have the 2nd best slot receiver in the NFL in Brandon Stokely.

1.) Moss and Welker are light years ahead of Marshall and Royal.

2.) Both teams have revamped their tight end positions. New England's may well be better than Denver's, although I'd say that Denver has the best overall TE in Graham.

3.) New England's running backs are much better than Denver's. It's not even a close discussion, particularly because neither group can claim to be vastly superior health-wise. To be fair, here, Moreno hasn't had a chance to insert himself into the conversation.

4.) Stokely is not the second best slot receiver in the NFL.

5.) Denver didn't 'steal' Jabar Gaffney. New England went in a different direction, opting for speed on the outside across from Moss. By the way, Gaffney was behind Stallworth in 2007, until Stallworth played himself out of the position. Gaffney is the sort of player who won't hurt you, and is solid. A healthy Galloway on the field with Moss and Welker, though, is a far better trio, even given Galloway's age.

Bane
08-25-2009, 03:53 PM
Doesn't matter how good Denvers wide outs are if Orton is throwing to the DB's every down.
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KCChiefsMan
08-25-2009, 04:02 PM
Does NE have a better offensive line than Denver? NO
Does NE have a better group of TE's? NO

Does NE have a group of RB's? NO

Moss and Welker are very comparable to Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal and Denver stole Jabar Gaffney from you and have the 2nd best slot receiver in the NFL in Brandon Stokely.

If I had to put money up on the Patriots or Broncos. I'm putting that money up on the Patriots.

brophog
08-25-2009, 04:04 PM
Perspective. KnowMo is getting attention which makes him happy. He is being positive about his team which seems like the better way to go, but when they fall flat on their face, he will hate to watch his team.


There is nothing in sports more damaging than expectations that are set too high.

Lots of times fans think they are just being positive, but what they are really doing is more harm to their team than any amount of negativity ever could. Everyone in the sports world is judged by their expectations.

Case in point.....any recent coach someone labeled a "genius". It almost always gets them into trouble.

In this day and age, especially, you are what the perception of you is, and fan/media expectations tend to set that bar. If you want to really help your team, set them at an attainable level!

TRR
08-25-2009, 04:58 PM
Kyle Orton is only 26.

And was beaten out by Rex Grossman on more than one occasion.

Don't worry you'll get real QB in Denver again...eventually...someday.

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 06:00 PM
So a scout.com website and a Seahawk fan blog? I'm going to create a blog comparing him to Quentin Griffin and use that as gospel.

God you fucking suck at all facets of life.

ROFL

salame
08-25-2009, 08:01 PM
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2006/0122/20060122_104259_BroncosHeader012306.jpg

LaChapelle
08-25-2009, 08:15 PM
The Ortons traded for a O-lineman from the Pats today. Another 7th rounder gone.

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 08:21 PM
The Ortons traded for a O-lineman from the Pats today. Another 7th rounder gone.

ROFL Sounds like a really bad WB Network sitcom.

Saccopoo
08-25-2009, 08:24 PM
...if McDaniels is going to build the Broncos back into a playoff team.

Whoa ho!!! That's rich!

They were on the verge of being a playoff team, then McPuberty shows up and dicks the dog. Cutler, Marshall, the Broncos tragedy of a draft (only 30 players total on your draft board Josh? Really?), not addressing the defensive woes in free agency (Brian Dawkins is awesome...in 2001.), etc.

McDaniels (and Xanders), in a few short months, has built this team exactly like what you would do if you didn't want to go to the playoffs. Threw the mother fucking ship right into reverse is what he did.

Playoffs. That is rich I tell you!

DBOSHO
08-25-2009, 08:27 PM
I have downloaded every game from last year and saw the crap he had around him in Chicago. No QB could have played well with the offensive line and WR's Chicago had last year.

No team in the NFL has a better offense around their QB than Denver. The Pats have Moss and Welker, but they don't have the offensive line, RB's, and TE's we have. The Cardinals have the WR's, but they don't have the the offensive line, RB's, and TE's we have. Denver is stacked. And any smart QB can play very well in this system.

Ever heard of the falcons? or the saints?

JD10367
08-25-2009, 08:32 PM
How do you feel about Cassel? You know that 60 million dollar backup QB you signed...

You mean the guy your coach wanted badly?

Huard is a career journeyman backup. He has never won a lot of games. He has failed at being the starter.

Orton, though young, is already following the same path. Despite winning 10 games his first year, it was despite him, not because of him (as shown by his horrid QB rating). He was then demoted to THIRD string (behind Brian frickin' Griese, how bad can you get).

There is a difference between QBs on the upswing-side of the arc, and QBs who have clearly proven to be on the downsing-side of the arc. Orton has already shown his limitations. At least Cassel has potential, which is what they invested in. And it's why Denver wanted him.

No worries, though. If Orton sucks, maybe you can change your name to CSimms2724.

Kerberos
08-26-2009, 03:49 AM
How do you feel about Cassel? You know that 60 million dollar backup QB you signed...

Isn't he the SAME backup QB your head coach has a hard on for and wanted pretty bad BEFORE he had to settle for Aborton?

This is probably the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post.

I would sell him to short....Pretty much everything he posts is tremendously stupid.

Mile High Mania
08-26-2009, 04:24 AM
If Orton played with crap in Chicago. Cutler sure does well with it.

Cutler is 13 of 23 for 185 yards (56% completion), 1 TD and 1 INT.

Again, it's preseason...

Inspector
08-26-2009, 05:11 AM
We traded a QB who makes to many mistakes to take a team anywhere, who was second in the NFL in INT's thrown, and had the worst bad decision percentage of any QB in the NFL.

We got Kyle Orton, who fits perfectly into what Josh McDaniels wants to do... Who should have NO PROBLEM putting up a better QB Rating than the guy he replaced. That trade also let us get Knowshon Moreno, who has been compared to LaDanian Tomlinson by a bunch of people, and was the best RB in the entire draft. We also got Robert Ayers, who Mike Mayock said would be the best defensive player taken in the draft. And we got Alphonso Smith, the best cover corner in the draft, who would have been a top 10 pick if he was 2 inches taller.

I love the trade. We are better team because of that trade.

Ooops....you forgot to edit this out. Now everyone will see this and someone will think you were trying to be serious.

Or maybe you were just doing this for a few laughs? It worked for me.

LaChapelle
08-26-2009, 05:33 AM
The Broncos have been off and on in the play offs for a over a decade. Some of those fans don't know any different. Like a Chiefs fan at the turn of the century would feel about no defense. NOT POSSIBLE!!!