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petegz28
08-25-2009, 12:49 PM
U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold told a large crowd gathered for a listening session in Iron County last week there would likely be no health care bill before the end of the year - and perhaps not at all.

It was an assessment Feingold said he didn't like, but the prospect of no health care legislation brought a burst of applause from a packed house of nearly 150 citizens at the Mercer Community Center.

"Nobody is going to bring a bill before Christmas, and maybe not even then, if this ever happens," Feingold said. "The divisions are so deep. I never seen anything like that."

Feingold reiterated his appraisal a bit later.

"We're headed in the direction of doing absolutely nothing, and I think that's unfortunate," he said when asked about the plight of uninsured Americans.

The Mercer session was spirited but civil - as Feingold himself accurately described it - with most people focused squarely on the health care issue, followed by the deficit as a runner-up concern.

During the discussion, Feingold said he could not declare whether he would support a health reform bill until he has actually seen one, and he said he would then seek out the opinions of Wisconsinites. The Senate recessed in late July with a deadlocked Senate Finance Committee unable to finish work on a bill.

"When I get a proposal I can look at it and decide whether I will support it," he said. "I will let the people of the entire state talk to me."

The senator, a declared proponent of health care reform in principle, nonetheless did not seem too concerned about a potential failure of the Obama administration's effort. He said there was merit to the idea of trying a variety of proposals in various states first.

"Lindsay Graham and I sponsored legislation to have pilot programs in five states," Feingold told the audience. "Maybe we should try some different things. There might be a single-payer state. There might be a co-op state. Let's get some evidence on the ground. This thing right now is not going in the right direction. We might be in a situation where there won't be a bill worth passing."

In 2007, Feingold and Graham, a South Carolina Republican, introduced the State-Based Health Care Reform Act, which would have allowed states to decide how to achieve insurance coverage.

The legislation would have established five-year pilot programs that would have mandated only minimum baseline requirements. States could have used health savings accounts, single payer systems, expansion of current programs, or could have adopted new ideas in their efforts to cover the uninsured.

The senator said again last week he did not think a "one-size-fits-all" approach would work as well as giving states program flexibility.

Abortion, fairness

At the listening session, Feingold did say allay some expressed concern about federally-funded abortions being included as part of a health-care reform package. An amendment removed that provision from the House version of the bill, he said, and a Senate bill won't reintroduce it.

"There's no way we're changing this to offer public funding of abortions," Feingold said. "Nobody wants to open up that issue in the middle of this. That's one thing you won't have to worry about."

One audience member pointed to the generous health benefits federal lawmakers enjoy and wondered if Feingold would pledge to take the same health insurance that Congress "will make the rest of us take."

"I will support a law that will bring us under it," he said. "If I am eligible, I will join it. If I can be part of the system, I will be."

However, he observed, that might not be possible if a government plan is means-tested because his income would no doubt disqualify him.

Finally, Feingold repudiated Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's remarks calling vocal critics of health care reform at town hall meetings "evil mongers."

Feingold called Reid's remarks unfortunate and inappropriate.

"I've been listening to the people for 16 years, and I have never impugned their motives," the senator said.

Though the vast majority of the crowd opposed the administration's health care effort, particularly a public, or government, health insurance plan that would compete with private insurers - and showed it with frequent bursts of loud applause - some in the room supported some type of reform, including a government option.

They too drew some hand claps, but much fewer. Proponents of reform repeatedly cited the 40-plus million Americans who do not have health insurance.

One citizen summed up the majority's mood, however.

"This issue has definitely awakened a sleeping giant," the man said. "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore."

Deficit

The nation's growing deficit was a major topic, too, and Feingold repeatedly cited his credentials as a balanced-budget type of senator.

"I ran for the U.S. Senate on a platform to balance the budget," he said. "In 1992, we had one of the largest deficits in history and we balanced the budget. I led the charge in 1992 to get rid of the federal deficit, and when Bill Clinton left office, there was no federal deficit."

Feingold said he supported the stimulus package earlier this year because of the recession, but he said he would not guarantee his vote for a second stimulus if one was proposed.

"This was an emergency situation to get the economy going," Feingold said. "And I have told the administration not to count on me for another stimulus package. You can't just keep doing this because it creates hyperinflation."

Feingold also said he has not been a supporter of so-called cap-and-trade proposals, and he compared the issue to global warming, at least with respect to gaining cooperation from other nations.

"You know, the other countries won't play ball," he said of his attempts to get the international community to work together on global warming. "Maybe we should impose tariffs. We should put some pressure on them. They cannot be given a free pass, and we cannot do cap-and-trade alone."

Feingold said his lack of support for cap-and-trade and his votes to cut spending have sometimes put him at odds with the Obama administration.

"There's a survey that shows that I am the Democrat who has least voted with President Obama," he said.

Actually, according to CQ Politics, Feingold and Arlen Specter, who recently switched to the Democratic Party from the GOP, are the two least likely Democrats in the U.S. Senate to vote with the president, with both having supported Obama 86 percent of the time. By contrast, Democratic Sen. Herb Kohl has voted with the president 97 percent of the time.

On another issue, Feingold said he opposed legislation to require gun registration, and he said such legislation would die a quick death in the Senate.

"I have opposed gun registration all my life, and I will continue to oppose it," he said. "We've got the votes in the Senate to kill that."

http://www.lakelandtimes.com/print.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=10027

petegz28
08-25-2009, 12:55 PM
Russ seems to have a good head about this. I am glad to see him take the tact that he has in addressing these issues. Too bad more of his party aren't interested.

petegz28
08-25-2009, 12:56 PM
On another issue, Feingold said he opposed legislation to require gun registration, and he said such legislation would die a quick death in the Senate.

"I have opposed gun registration all my life, and I will continue to oppose it," he said. "We've got the votes in the Senate to kill that."



LMAO...that was a great pun, intended or otherwise

Mojo Jojo
08-25-2009, 01:02 PM
At the same time good ol' Russ is demanding a timeline for the withdrawal from Afghanistan
from the White House. I think he his holding his vote on HC to make his point on Afghanistan. If not BHO has a real problem.

petegz28
08-25-2009, 01:04 PM
At the same time good ol' Russ is demanding a timeline for the withdrawal from Afghanistan
from the White House. I think he his holding his vote on HC to make his point on Afghanistan. If not BHO has a real problem.

I am generally againt timelines for such things. However, I would like to hear something out of the Admin about what they intend to do with Afghansitan? More and more soldiers are getting killed every day and for what? Why? And Who?

RINGLEADER
08-25-2009, 01:40 PM
It was an assessment Feingold said he didn't like, but the prospect of no health care legislation brought a burst of applause from a packed house of nearly 150 citizens at the Mercer Community Center.

"Nobody is going to bring a bill before Christmas, and maybe not even then, if this ever happens," Feingold said. "The divisions are so deep. I never seen anything like that."

The Dems who are not in heavily Dem districts have to be out of their mind over this...Obama and Obamacare have lost 40-points since he started talking about it...

petegz28
08-25-2009, 03:24 PM
The Dems who are not in heavily Dem districts have to be out of their mind over this...Obama and Obamacare have lost 40-points since he started talking about it...

That is because the proposed bill did little to reform health care. People don't want government health care forced upon them. And this bill does that in one form or another.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-25-2009, 03:30 PM
Although i agree with what Feingold said, I can see us waiting until this horrible swine flue pandemic has everyone so paranoid that passage of the bill will be easier.

petegz28
08-25-2009, 03:33 PM
Although i agree with what Feingold said, I can see us waiting until this horrible swine flue pandemic has everyone so paranoid that passage of the bill will be easier.

I wonder more and more if the whole swine fle ordeal is going to be a manufactured manifestation to persuade people to Obama's side.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-25-2009, 03:35 PM
I wonder more and more if the whole swine fle ordeal is going to be a manufactured manifestation to persuade people to Obama's side.

Soetoro could definitely use a false flag right about now.

Stewie
08-25-2009, 03:45 PM
Good! I'm very happy with my health plan, doctor, and available medical treatment.

wild1
08-25-2009, 03:51 PM
The Dems who are not in heavily Dem districts have to be out of their mind over this...Obama and Obamacare have lost 40-points since he started talking about it...

:eek:

Reaper16
08-25-2009, 05:25 PM
Good! I'm very happy with my health plan, doctor, and available medical treatment.
That's what matters in the end.

thecoffeeguy
08-25-2009, 06:51 PM
One citizen summed up the majority's mood, however.

"This issue has definitely awakened a sleeping giant," the man said. "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore."


http://www.lakelandtimes.com/print.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=10027

This.
Never seen Americans so angry before. Just a casual talk at work and co-workers are really angry about Obamacare.

Brock
08-25-2009, 06:54 PM
But but I thought the debate was over according to Direckshun.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2009, 07:12 PM
That's what matters in the end.

Not that there's anything wrong with that for a freeman living in a free ( although less so) country.

I think it's wonderful....but the rocketing prices do have to be tamed.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 10:45 AM
U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold told a large crowd gathered for a listening session in Iron County last week there would likely be no health care bill before the end of the year

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/082109-morning-fix.html?wprss=thefix

Kennedy's proposal would amend a 2004 state law that calls for a special election to fill a Senate vacancy at least 145 days after the seat comes open, allowing the governor to appoint an interim replacement so that the state is not lacking a vote in the Senate in the period leading up to the special election.

145 days from today is January 18, 2010.

petegz28
08-26-2009, 11:37 AM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/082109-morning-fix.html?wprss=thefix

Kennedy's proposal would amend a 2004 state law that calls for a special election to fill a Senate vacancy at least 145 days after the seat comes open, allowing the governor to appoint an interim replacement so that the state is not lacking a vote in the Senate in the period leading up to the special election.

145 days from today is January 18, 2010.

Feingold made his comment before Ted died. I fail to see your point?

dirk digler
08-26-2009, 11:42 AM
Russ has updated his outlook

A spokesman notes that Russ Feingold's gloomy remarks (http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=10027) on health care were delivered Aug. 19 and offers his current view:

At the beginning of the August recess, most folks coming out were opposed to any sort of health care reform. But in the last few I have held, I have noticed more and more reform proponents coming out and being heard. Overall, in the seventeen years I’ve been holding these meetings, there has been strong support for health care reform. I’ve been saying for weeks that it will probably be right before Christmas before we have a health care reform bill to vote on. I will continue working to make sure we do and it is one with a strong public option.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 11:57 AM
Feingold made his comment before Ted died. I fail to see your point?

It was no secret that he was about to die and wasn't coming back to the Senate again.

petegz28
08-26-2009, 11:58 AM
Russ has updated his outlook

A spokesman notes that Russ Feingold's gloomy remarks (http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=10027) on health care were delivered Aug. 19 and offers his current view:

At the beginning of the August recess, most folks coming out were opposed to any sort of health care reform. But in the last few I have held, I have noticed more and more reform proponents coming out and being heard. Overall, in the seventeen years Iíve been holding these meetings, there has been strong support for health care reform. Iíve been saying for weeks that it will probably be right before Christmas before we have a health care reform bill to vote on. I will continue working to make sure we do and it is one with a strong public option.

Great, more flip-flopping.

petegz28
08-26-2009, 11:58 AM
It was no secret that he was about to die and wasn't coming back to the Senate again.

And?

jAZ
08-26-2009, 12:24 PM
And?

Without a Kennedy's vote the Dems are down to 59 votes until January 2010. It's quite possible that Feingold was factoring in a filibuster until the 60th vote comes in 2010.

This isn't rocket science.

petegz28
08-26-2009, 12:29 PM
Without a Kennedy's vote the Dems are down to 59 votes until January 2010. It's quite possible that Feingold was factoring in a filibuster until the 60th vote comes in 2010.

This isn't rocket science.

Yea, sure

jAZ
08-26-2009, 12:30 PM
Yea, sure

I guess it was rocket science.

Inspector
08-26-2009, 12:42 PM
I guess it was rocket science.

What do rockets have to do with it?

Taco John
08-26-2009, 12:44 PM
This is great news. The market will not be hampered by the gravity of this thing between now and the end of the year.

Taco John
08-26-2009, 12:45 PM
Actually, the more that I think and consider this, the more that I come to believe that it's not going to happen at all. I think that the good guys won this one.

Reaper16
08-26-2009, 02:22 PM
Actually, the more that I think and consider this, the more that I come to believe that it's not going to happen at all. I think that the good guys won this one.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!