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chiefbowe82
08-25-2009, 02:42 PM
Just select 5 and only 5 people you'd like to have dinner with.

1.StevieRay-love the elvis gear, and seems like a good guy
2.Mecca-love the overall football knowledge, I'd enjoy picking your brain
3.GoChiefs-I don't think theres a minute where he doesn't think about kc football.
4.XFactor-like the custom die hard fan. Your river falls updates etc.
5.Simply Red-great guy

seclark
08-25-2009, 02:44 PM
if dane's buying, i am in!
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Count Zarth
08-25-2009, 02:45 PM
1. Lumpy - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
2. Katipan - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
3. KcChiefsQT - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
4. Dylan - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
5. ChiefsGirl - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.

Scorp
08-25-2009, 02:46 PM
Isn't it enough I have to listen to all the bullsh!t spewed all over this place? Why would I want to ruin a meal listening to it?

Consistent1
08-25-2009, 02:48 PM
1. Lumpy - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
2. Katipan - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
3. KcChiefsQT - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
4. Dylan - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
5. ChiefsGirl - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.

5A. Badgirl- She will get you all liquored up and try to have sex with you.

Jenson71
08-25-2009, 02:48 PM
Dane, because he's buying (if he's buying)
sec, because he's in

The other three I would want to be very skinny and don't eat much. Then I will eat their leftovers.

Nzoner
08-25-2009, 02:49 PM
The first five I thought of I've already dinner and/or beers with

Count Zarth
08-25-2009, 02:49 PM
5A. Badgirl- She will get you all liqoured up and try to have sex with you.
http://i32.tinypic.com/29ptg85.gif

wutamess
08-25-2009, 02:50 PM
Why me of course.

Katipan
08-25-2009, 02:51 PM
MOhillbilly because I've never had possum.
Donger because ITS DONGER.
keginkc because afterwards I can push him into a fountain or large body of water.
Fax because our every conversation would be an intellectual challenge. Even the ones about sex.
Jilly because then the drinks would be free.

Buck
08-25-2009, 02:51 PM
That Bo Jackson Poster
http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/gallery/data/500/368bo_jackson_poster.jpg

Led Zep Stairway Poster
http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lglp0806+stairway-to-heaven-led-zeppelin-poster.jpg

This Kobe Bryant Poster
http://images.quickblogcast.com/7/9/5/8/4/157999-148597/kobe.jpg

This one
http://www.landroversonly.com/forums/attachments/f19/16357d1196884280-motivational-posters-well-kinda-funny_pictures_1764.jpg

And The Hogs
http://www.posters57.com/images/categories/Washington_Redskins.jpg=600.jpg

wild1
08-25-2009, 02:52 PM
1. Lumpy - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
2. Katipan - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
3. KcChiefsQT - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
4. Dylan - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
5. ChiefsGirl - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.

yes... anyone but gochiefs

seclark
08-25-2009, 02:53 PM
Dane, because he's buying (if he's buying)
sec, because he's in

The other three I would want to be very skinny and don't eat much. Then I will eat their leftovers.

we ought to invite donger. after dinner we'll go sit in his garage and drink beers.
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T-post Tom
08-25-2009, 02:55 PM
I'd probably have dinner with myself. I'm pretty sure that I could liquor myself up and at least get to third base. I'm kind of a manwhore that way.

DeezNutz
08-25-2009, 02:55 PM
we ought to invite donger. after dinner we'll go sit in his garage and drink beers.
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Are you going to watch my family and me play in our pool in our driveway across the street?

Tell me, and I'll make sure to wave.

Buck
08-25-2009, 02:55 PM
But to be honest, I cant choose just 5.

KCtotheSB
08-25-2009, 02:56 PM
1) KnowMo
2) AutumnWind
3) BuckinKaeding

Then we can all have an entertaining roundtable AFC West discussion with thought provoking questions and spirited debate in a respectful setting.

...and then I'll slit all their throats with a plastic butter knife.

Frazod
08-25-2009, 02:56 PM
MOhillbilly because I've never had possum.
Donger because ITS DONGER.
keginkc because afterwards I can push him into a fountain or large body of water.
Fax because our every conversation would be an intellectual challenge. Even the ones about sex.
Jilly because then the drinks would be free.

You've already had dinner with the best poster. :)

seclark
08-25-2009, 02:56 PM
Are you going to watch my family and me play in our pool in our driveway across the street?

Tell me, and I'll make sure to wave.

block party!
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Buck
08-25-2009, 02:57 PM
1) KnowMo
2) AutumnWind
3) BuckinKaeding

Then we can all have an entertaining roundtable AFC West discussion with thought provoking questions and spirited debate in a respectful setting.

...and then I'll slit all their throats with a butter knife.

I refuse to eat with that douchebag. KnowMo is ok.

Katipan
08-25-2009, 02:57 PM
You've already had dinner with the best poster. :)

I had no idea your wife posted here!!

<3

Consistent1
08-25-2009, 02:58 PM
http://i32.tinypic.com/29ptg85.gif

Oh come on now playa. You wouldn't even have to take pics to prove it. She would be on here posting about her score as soon as that 15 seconds of paradise was over.

Lumpy
08-25-2009, 02:58 PM
1. Lumpy - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
2. Katipan - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
3. KcChiefsQT - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
4. Dylan - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
5. ChiefsGirl - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.

For the last fuggin time Claythan... I DON'T date models!! :cuss:

Otter
08-25-2009, 03:00 PM
we ought to invite donger. after dinner we'll go sit in his garage and drink beers.
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I still say there's a fortune waiting to made off Donger by having his walk around for a week or so at a time with a lump of coal inserted in his anus.

Reaper16
08-25-2009, 03:00 PM
Ultra Peanut
Mecca
'Hamas' Jenkins
DeezNuts
Mr. Flopnuts

I'd want another dinner with irishjayhawk, HolmeZz, Saulbadguy, BuckinKeading, and Jenson. Oh, and another with Nzoner, luv, milkman, 'penz & Simply Red. And another with frazod and Dane. Anyone else in that dinner and it could get ugly.

No thought behind those groupings. I could go on. There are plenty of Planeteers that I'd want to have dinner with.

Frazod
08-25-2009, 03:01 PM
I had no idea your wife posted here!!

<3

:sulk:

Halfcan
08-25-2009, 03:02 PM
1. Lumpy - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
2. Katipan - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
3. KcChiefsQT - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
4. Dylan - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.
5. ChiefsGirl - I'll get her all liquored up and try to have sex with her.

ROFL

yep saved me from posting

doomy3
08-25-2009, 03:04 PM
FAX
milkman
Rain Man
DaFace
DeezNuts
Mr. Flopnuts

seclark
08-25-2009, 03:04 PM
FAX
milkman
Rain Man
DaFace
DeezNuts

no ror?
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doomy3
08-25-2009, 03:05 PM
no ror?
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He just missed the list.

DaFace
08-25-2009, 03:06 PM
Rain Man. There's a good chance it'd be a work outing and he'd buy. :D

Buck
08-25-2009, 03:06 PM
I would literally eat dinner with anyone on this site, excluding: RoR and MV.

Since the only two people from CP I've met in real life are TinyE and Bill Parcells (D2112 / BP [whatever hes calling himself now]) I would have to put them on top of my list though since I can vouch for them being real cool guys.

BWillie
08-25-2009, 03:09 PM
The more posts you have, the more people want to have dinner with you. I need to up my post per day count to 20 so I can brag to chicks about my Chiefsplanet prowess to convince them to go to a nice sea food dinner w/ me.

Halfcan
08-25-2009, 03:09 PM
I would literally eat dinner with anyone on this site, excluding: RoR and MV.

Since the only two people from CP I've met in real life are TinyE and Bill Parcells (D2112 / BP [whatever hes calling himself now]) I would have to put them on top of my list though since I can vouch for them being real cool guys.

do you take the bag off when you eat-lol?

Demonpenz
08-25-2009, 03:13 PM
phobia because of bbq
FMB because of bbq sauce
nzoner only if he opens bottoms up again.
big sexy
I would try some good beer with reaper16 while we listen to post apocolptic goth black death neo metal for kids

Nzoner
08-25-2009, 03:15 PM
nzoner only if he opens bottoms up again.


To say I'm missing those Mommy Esther tenderloins is an understatement

luv
08-25-2009, 03:15 PM
The more posts you have, the more people want to have dinner with you. I need to up my post per day count to 20 so I can brag to chicks about my Chiefsplanet prowess to convince them to go to a nice sea food dinner w/ me.

You do know that seafood is one word, right?

Guru
08-25-2009, 03:19 PM
I can't pick just five.

Buck
08-25-2009, 03:22 PM
I think if I had to pick 5, I would have to go with the 5 I most talked to when I first got here. That would be those of the 10 pm thread...

So....

CrazyCoffey
Guru
Bugeater
Luv
SPchief

Those people really molded the way I view ChiefsPlanet.

Sucks for me I guess.

luv
08-25-2009, 03:23 PM
Of people I haven't met yet....

Mecca
KcMizzou
keg in kc
Lumpy
Dylan

Pestilence
08-25-2009, 03:24 PM
Rain Man
Dane McCloud
OTW58
Mr. Flopnuts
BuckinKaeding

cdcox
08-25-2009, 03:25 PM
1. DaKCManAP

seclark
08-25-2009, 03:26 PM
I can't pick just five.

same here...in fact there's very few that i wouldn't have dinner with.

but, if i had to pick 5 that i thought would make a good few hours of drinks and conversation...
iowanian(have become pretty good friends over the years)
bwana(first person to ever talk to me over at the old star board)
mohillbilly(good people)
pennywise(dude is nails...wish he posted here more like he used to)
brock(he's about like the rest of this list...good people)

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MOhillbilly
08-25-2009, 03:26 PM
Sec
StevieRay
Radar
Duck dog
Bwana

just to name a few.

Guru
08-25-2009, 03:27 PM
I want to meet everyone someday but if I had to make a list these are the ones that I have been really wanting to meet...

Dane
Fraz
KCMizzou
Buckin
CrazyC

Katipan
08-25-2009, 03:27 PM
same here...in fact there's very few that i wouldn't have dinner with.

but, if i had to pick 5 that i thought would make a good few hours of drinks and conversation...
iowanian(have become pretty good friends over the years)
bwana(first person to ever talk to me over at the old star board)
mohillbilly(good people)
pennywise(dude is nails...wish he posted here more like he used to)
brock(he's about like the rest of this list...good people)

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aww
I forgot about Brock.

I like your list.

JOhn
08-25-2009, 03:27 PM
Frazod 9of course he would eat everyone dinner)
Iowioan (however you spell it)
Alanm
Bwana (already have, and we had a blast)
Pastormike
Rainman
DaFace
Phobia
kcMizzou
Shit I can't narrow it to 5
But to be honest there's about 20-30 I would like to meet.

seclark
08-25-2009, 03:28 PM
Sec
StevieRay
Radar
Duck dog
Bwana

just to name a few.

damn...we posted at the same time.
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Buzz
08-25-2009, 03:28 PM
What's for dinner, chili dogs?

seclark
08-25-2009, 03:28 PM
aww
I forgot about Brock.

I like your list.

if we can get it changed to 6, come on by.
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Lumpy
08-25-2009, 03:30 PM
Gonzo (of course) - I know that I am guaranteed hot sex afterwards.
Jilly - I owe her a body shot... dinner would just be a bonus.
Dane - I would even offer to pick him up as long as I could egg Lindsay's house.
Mr Flopnuts - Conversations wouldn't run dry, that's for sure.
Sofa King - He keeps leaving articles of clothing at my house. Why not?

There are a few others, but I'm just following the rules. :D

Woodrow Call
08-25-2009, 03:36 PM
Brock
keg in kc
The Talking Can
'Hamas' Jenkins
htismaqe

Sofa King
08-25-2009, 03:37 PM
Lumpy - so i can get my clothes back
Pestilence - so i can brag about beating him in nearly every arcade tourney
SimplyRed - the guy is random and quite funny
Mr.Flopnuts - also entertaining
BuckingKaeding - so i can explain to him why SD is full of queers. and they all play for the chargers
Gonzo - so i can lie about me and lumpy...

loochy
08-25-2009, 03:37 PM
Kristie Tynes
Kristie Tynes' Mom
Badgirl
Badgirl's Nurse Friend
Myself

keg in kc
08-25-2009, 03:38 PM
aww
I forgot about Brock.

I like your list.You know I never leave the house, so you should probably sub brock in for me.

Especially if your idea of dessert is to push me into a fountain. I'd rather have Baked Alaska.

Katipan
08-25-2009, 03:39 PM
All you people are going to make Mr. Flopnuts fat.

BWillie
08-25-2009, 03:40 PM
You do know that seafood is one word, right?

You do know you spelled "luv" wrong don't you?

Oh snap

Donger
08-25-2009, 03:43 PM
I'm relatively sure I'd rather dine alone, unless dining includes removing dark chocolate shavings from Katipan's nipples with my tongue.

Pestilence
08-25-2009, 03:44 PM
Lumpy - so i can get my clothes back
Pestilence - so i can brag about beating him in nearly every arcade tourney
SimplyRed - the guy is random and quite funny
Mr.Flopnuts - also entertaining
BuckingKaeding - so i can explain to him why SD is full of queers. and they all play for the chargers
Gonzo - so i can lie about me and lumpy...

:cuss:

Simply Red
08-25-2009, 03:45 PM
misplaced chiefs fan - diverse and intelligent
miles - solid, non mainstream person, cool, etc...
MagicHef - works w/ Jesus, part time, psychic abilities, almost has cracked the code.
HC_Chief - he's well mannered and a CP vet.
FMB!/CD Cox/RJ - so I could make them the famous Apricot-chicken.

.... of course a myriad of posters are not being listed.

MOhillbilly
08-25-2009, 03:45 PM
get outta my head sec.

Buck
08-25-2009, 03:46 PM
Damnit I hate these threads.

I feel like a douche now for narrowing down to 5 people.

Any of the following would be cool.

Gonzo, Pestilence, Sofa King, Flopnuts, Hamas, Admiral Crunch (Crush I think?), Buzz, D2112, Frazod, Fritz88, Gadzooks, Goapics1 (apics1), joey (I think hes in prison), Nzoner, Oceanic815Survivor, Simplex3, Smed1065, Sure-Oz, TinyEvel, and xbarretx

Those are all the people that are on my friends list...except Pestilence, wtf man?

Also if you are like top 25 in rep score that'd be cool too. Now rep it up bitches!

Oh, also anyone who watches the Wire or Lost.

Off the top of my head: Reaper16, Brock, UP, KcMizzou (?), Baby Lee (both - superbadass) , keg in kc (both), ZootedGranny, Miles, irishjayhawk (he watches both I think, so hes super badass), SportsRacer, DaneMcCloud, arrowheadnation, BigRedChief, and the last one I can think of is Red_brooklyn (I think thats his name, not sure).

wild1
08-25-2009, 03:47 PM
it should be bannable to start any post with the words "You do know". Invariably what follows is pompous and makes you want to kick the person in the shin...

Donger
08-25-2009, 03:48 PM
it should be bannable to start any post with the words "You do know". Invariably what follows is pompous and makes you want to kick the person in the shin...

How about, "Surely you are aware..."?

Buck
08-25-2009, 03:50 PM
I would put Donger on the list, but I'd be afraid that if any female showed up he'd try to whip out his...well you know.

wild1
08-25-2009, 03:50 PM
How about, "Surely you are aware..."?

I did not mean that being pompous and wanting for a kick should be bannable. Just using a tired and played out way of expressing it. There are a million ways to be an a-----e, is that the only one you can think of?

Sorry for the grumbling.

FishingRod
08-25-2009, 03:50 PM
It has been a while but I have met quite a few of the old timers. For the most part really good people.

Simply Red
08-25-2009, 03:51 PM
Kristie Tynes
Kristie Tynes' Mom
Badgirl
Badgirl's Nurse Friend
Myself

what about Phobia's skid-mark?

gblowfish
08-25-2009, 03:51 PM
I'm going to Arthur Bryant's on the way home tonight...
You bitches should have picked me...HA HAAAA!!!!

Donger
08-25-2009, 03:53 PM
I did not mean that being pompous and wanting for a kick should be bannable. Just using a tired and played out way of expressing it. There are a million ways to be an a-----e, is that the only one you can think of?

Sorry for the grumbling.

I was just asking a simple question.

Pestilence
08-25-2009, 03:53 PM
Damnit I hate these threads.

I feel like a douche now for narrowing down to 5 people.

Any of the following would be cool.

Gonzo, Pestilence, Sofa King, Flopnuts, Hamas, Admiral Crunch (Crush I think?), Buzz, D2112, Frazod, Fritz88, Gadzooks, Goapics1 (apics1), joey (I think hes in prison), Nzoner, Oceanic815Survivor, Simplex3, Smed1065, Sure-Oz, TinyEvel, and xbarretx

Those are all the people that are on my friends list...except Pestilence, wtf man?

Also if you are like top 25 in rep score that'd be cool too. Now rep it up bitches!

Oh, also anyone who watches the Wire or Lost.

Off the top of my head: Reaper16, Brock, UP, KcMizzou (?), Baby Lee (both - superbadass) , keg in kc (both), ZootedGranny, Miles, irishjayhawk (he watches both I think, so hes super badass), SportsRacer, DaneMcCloud, arrowheadnation, BigRedChief, and the last one I can think of is Red_brooklyn (I think thats his name, not sure).

I seriously thought I already was. It's been corrected. ACCEPT MY FRIEND REQUEST BITCH!

Jenson71
08-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Damnit I hate these threads.

I feel like a douche now for narrowing down to 5 people.

Any of the following would be cool.

Gonzo, Pestilence, Sofa King, Flopnuts, Hamas, Admiral Crunch (Crush I think?), Buzz, D2112, Frazod, Fritz88, Gadzooks, Goapics1 (apics1), joey (I think hes in prison), Nzoner, Oceanic815Survivor, Simplex3, Smed1065, Sure-Oz, TinyEvel, and xbarretx

Those are all the people that are on my friends list...except Pestilence, wtf man?

Also if you are like top 25 in rep score that'd be cool too. Now rep it up bitches!

Oh, also anyone who watches the Wire or Lost.

Off the top of my head: Reaper16, Brock, UP, KcMizzou (?), Baby Lee (both - superbadass) , keg in kc (both), ZootedGranny, Miles, irishjayhawk (he watches both I think, so hes super badass), SportsRacer, DaneMcCloud, arrowheadnation, BigRedChief, and the last one I can think of is Red_brooklyn (I think thats his name, not sure).

I hate you. I hate my life. I'm leaving forever.

Buck
08-25-2009, 03:54 PM
I seriously thought I already was. It's been corrected. ACCEPT MY FRIEND REQUEST BITCH!

Done. Now I'm expecting return rep.

Thanks.

OnTheWarpath58
08-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Of the folks I haven't met...

Dane, Tiny, Flopnuts, Pestilence and FAX.

Simply Red
08-25-2009, 03:54 PM
I hate you. I hate my life. I'm leaving forever.

ROFL

Sofa King
08-25-2009, 03:56 PM
:cuss:

Tournament won

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Hello Sofa King,

CONGRATULATIONS, you are the winner of the Archery 2000-Tournament !

Click here to view the final standings.

MOhillbilly
08-25-2009, 03:56 PM
I'm going to Arthur Bryant's on the way home tonight...
You bitches should have picked me...HA HAAAA!!!!

Damn you got a big fat record collection too.

Buck
08-25-2009, 03:56 PM
I hate you. I hate my life. I'm leaving forever.

Fuck.

I do have to admit, you personally created the thread that caused me to "miss" out on the most work ever, during the work week.

I'm afraid if you and I ate dinner together we'd argue over whether or not a plane with its wheels spinning on a treadmill could take off.

Donger
08-25-2009, 03:56 PM
ROFL

Is there some reason that you have that specific exchange in your signature?

Pestilence
08-25-2009, 03:57 PM
Tournament won

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello Sofa King,

CONGRATULATIONS, you are the winner of the Archery 2000-Tournament !

Click here to view the final standings.

That could be anybody that you've beaten.

Jenson71
08-25-2009, 03:58 PM
****.

I do have to admit, you personally created the thread that caused me to "miss" out on the most work ever, during the work week.

I'm afraid if you and I ate dinner together we'd argue over whether or not a plane with its wheels spinning on a treadmill could take off.

My face was like this: :spock: reading that thread. I had no idea what was going on.

Frazod
08-25-2009, 03:59 PM
I'll limit this to people I haven't met:

Guru
JOhn
Flopnuts
Dane
Hamas

There's more, but that's the first five I thought of.

Sofa King
08-25-2009, 04:00 PM
That could be anybody that you've beaten.

i specifically looked for your name, i apparantly forgot to copy your name with it...



and how did i forget to mention Mr.Plow? that guy is as cool as the other side of the pillow.

Demonpenz
08-25-2009, 04:01 PM
dinny blues can play some blues drums

Demonpenz
08-25-2009, 04:02 PM
i bet there are some that would like to have one big ole dinner with logical again

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:02 PM
I'm afraid if you and I ate dinner together we'd argue over whether or not a plane with its wheels spinning on a treadmill could take off.

Of course it wouldn't.

88TG88
08-25-2009, 04:05 PM
Of the people I havent met

Simply REd
Pest
Buck
Mr Plow
and Smed

I would put Demonpenz on the list, but I think he would be to cool to hang out with me. Being from Lenexa and all

stevieray
08-25-2009, 04:05 PM
Of course it wouldn't.mythbusters disagree.

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:06 PM
Of course it wouldn't.

Exactly....or wait, did I think it would? I don't remember.

unothadeal
08-25-2009, 04:07 PM
.Daedalus.
chemimblc
chiefshabs
cowboy_big_rich
lazepoo

Demonpenz
08-25-2009, 04:08 PM
Of the people I havent met

Simply REd
Pest
Buck
Mr Plow
and Smed

I would put Demonpenz on the list, but I think he would be to cool to hang out with me. Being from Lenexa and all

i'm IN lenexa, but I am straight

Simply Red
08-25-2009, 04:08 PM
Is there some reason that you have that specific exchange in your signature?

yes, because, to me; it may be the funniest thing i've read on here all yr.

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:08 PM
mythbusters disagree.

Then they did not use the same criteria described above.

If the planes wheels are spinning, then the aircraft has no relative ground speed. If if has no relative ground speed, no air is flowing over the aircraft's wings. If no air is flowing over the wings, there is no lift. If there is no lift, the plane will not fly.

JOhn
08-25-2009, 04:08 PM
2rival fans I would like to meet
RNR aka Karen
OverHead

Guru
08-25-2009, 04:10 PM
Damnit I hate these threads.

I feel like a douche now for narrowing down to 5 people.

Any of the following would be cool.

Gonzo, Pestilence, Sofa King, Flopnuts, Hamas, Admiral Crunch (Crush I think?), Buzz, D2112, Frazod, Fritz88, Gadzooks, Goapics1 (apics1), joey (I think hes in prison), Nzoner, Oceanic815Survivor, Simplex3, Smed1065, Sure-Oz, TinyEvel, and xbarretx

Those are all the people that are on my friends list...except Pestilence, wtf man?

Also if you are like top 25 in rep score that'd be cool too. Now rep it up bitches!

Oh, also anyone who watches the Wire or Lost.

Off the top of my head: Reaper16, Brock, UP, KcMizzou (?), Baby Lee (both - superbadass) , keg in kc (both), ZootedGranny, Miles, irishjayhawk (he watches both I think, so hes super badass), SportsRacer, DaneMcCloud, arrowheadnation, BigRedChief, and the last one I can think of is Red_brooklyn (I think thats his name, not sure).Nobody can truly narrow it down to only 5 people. Don't worry about it. There are others I want to meet just as much as my five too which is why I just said everyone.

this is one of the reasons I always hit Joe's Bash now. Every year I meet somebody new.

Simply Red
08-25-2009, 04:10 PM
.Daedalus.
chemimblc
chiefshabs
cowboy_big_rich
lazepoo

you forgot Mr. Kotter. :doh!:

stevieray
08-25-2009, 04:11 PM
Then they did not use the same criteria described above.

If the planes wheels are spinning, then the aircraft has no relative ground speed. If if has no relative ground speed, no air is flowing over the aircraft's wings. If no air is flowing over the wings, there is no lift. If there is no lift, the plane will not fly.

they proved it could be done.

Simply Red
08-25-2009, 04:11 PM
2rival fans I would like to meet
RNR aka Karen
OverHead

wait, so RNR IS a girl? I thought she was, then she said she wasn't, so...

Guru
08-25-2009, 04:11 PM
2rival fans I would like to meet
RNR aka Karen
OverHeadI would add Taco and Garcia to that as well.

JOhn
08-25-2009, 04:12 PM
wait, so RNR IS a girl? I thought she was, then she said she wasn't, so...

ROFL

no he's a dude...well as far as I know. but his nickname is Karen. :D

Or maybe he/she is? :doh!:

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:13 PM
Then they did not use the same criteria described above.

If the planes wheels are spinning, then the aircraft has no relative ground speed. If if has no relative ground speed, no air is flowing over the aircraft's wings. If no air is flowing over the wings, there is no lift. If there is no lift, the plane will not fly.

But what if the plane uses a propeller to push the wind? Or does the propeller not do that?

CosmicPal
08-25-2009, 04:13 PM
I'd have dinner with anyone who wants to have dinner with me. Which, in this case, none.

With that said, I'd honestly have dinner with any Chiefs fan who doesn't drink all my liquor, throw up on my couch, rape my dog, and end up on the roof naked and having incoherent conversations with Jesus of the eternal moonlight.

If you can behave like a gentleman, provide engaging and intelligent conversation, not trash my jazz collection, and drink like an old man going over the hill singing, then you're all right at my table. For the chicks, you're all invited as long as you're topless and don't talk much. :D

Simply Red
08-25-2009, 04:13 PM
I would add Taco and Garcia to that as well.

Taco is a 'hands-on' mod over at the Orange Mane, also, he's a neanderthal, i'd rather hang w/ Buff or Vailpass.

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:15 PM
they proved it could be done.

If the wheels were locked (not spinning), and the treadmill was accelerated to the speed required for flight, then yes, it would take off. If the wheels were free to spin, the plane would not move forward relative to the ground and would therefore have no lift.

Simply Red
08-25-2009, 04:15 PM
I'd have dinner with anyone who wants to have dinner with me. Which, in this case, none.

With that said, I'd honestly have dinner with any Chiefs fan who doesn't drink all my liquor, throw up on my couch, rape my dog, and end up on the roof naked and having incoherent conversations with Jesus of the eternal moonlight.

If you can behave like a gentleman, provide engaging and intelligent conversation, not trash my jazz collection, and drink like an old man going over the hill singing, then you're all right at my table. For the chicks, you're all invited as long as you're topless and don't talk much. :D

I've always like you, no buttsechs, though. But yeah, I also could get your input on my being an addict.

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:16 PM
If the wheels were locked (not spinning), and the treadmill was accelerated to the speed required for flight, then yes, it would take off. If the wheels were free to spin, the plane would not move forward relative to the ground and would therefore have no lift.

See my propeller question

Jenson71
08-25-2009, 04:16 PM
If the wheels were locked (not spinning), and the treadmill was accelerated to the speed required for flight, then yes, it would take off. If the wheels were free to spin, the plane would not move forward relative to the ground and would therefore have no lift.

I always thought the treadmill would be going the opposite way of the plane's forward motion (or attempt at motion).

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:18 PM
I always thought the treadmill would be going the opposite way of the plane's forward motion (or attempt at motion).

Again, if the wheels were spinning, it would make no difference.

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:19 PM
But what if the plane uses a propeller to push the wind? Or does the propeller not do that?

A plane uses a propeller to provide thrust, yes.

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:21 PM
A plane uses a propeller to provide thrust, yes.

So ignoring friction, if the planes wheels were just spinning, and the plane remained still relative to the ground, and then the propellers turned on and spun fast enough (theoretically), that would not create enough lift for the plane to take off?

MIAdragon
08-25-2009, 04:21 PM
What no one want's to dine on South Beach with me!?

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:22 PM
I would eat w/ MIAdragon, and then kick him out for his avatar for the after party.

BigVE
08-25-2009, 04:24 PM
What no one want's to dine on South Beach with me!?

Have you ever figured out who that chic in your avatar is?

Pestilence
08-25-2009, 04:24 PM
i specifically looked for your name, i apparantly forgot to copy your name with it...



and how did i forget to mention Mr.Plow? that guy is as cool as the other side of the pillow.

Damn....I totally forgot Plow. I gotta add him to the list. Sorry Dane....you're out.

DaFace
08-25-2009, 04:25 PM
Then they did not use the same criteria described above.

If the planes wheels are spinning, then the aircraft has no relative ground speed. If if has no relative ground speed, no air is flowing over the aircraft's wings. If no air is flowing over the wings, there is no lift. If there is no lift, the plane will not fly.

That would only make sense if the plane were being propelled by its wheels. And even then, you could still take off (in theory) if the wheels are moving more quickly than the treadmill.

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:26 PM
So ignoring friction, if the planes wheels were just spinning, and the plane remained still relative to the ground, and then the propellers turned on and spun fast enough (theoretically), that would not create enough lift for the plane to take off?

No, it would not. Air flowing over the wing creates lift. However, if you ever played with a rubber band aircraft, you'll remember that if you really cranked the rubber band up, you could hold the plane with the propeller facing the sky and the propeller would create enough lift (briefly) for the plane to increase altitude. Not unlike a helicopter's rotor.

MIAdragon
08-25-2009, 04:26 PM
I would eat w/ MIAdragon, and then kick him out for his avatar for the after party.

LMAO

RedNeckRaider
08-25-2009, 04:26 PM
ROFL

no he's a dude...well as far as I know. but his nickname is Karen. :D

Or maybe he/she is? :doh!:

There are several on here I would still like to meet, and would enjoy seeing those I have met again. That list used to include JOhn :shake:



:)

MIAdragon
08-25-2009, 04:26 PM
Have you ever figured out who that chic in your avatar is?

Sadly no.

stevieray
08-25-2009, 04:28 PM
Again, if the wheels were spinning, it would make no difference.

they used a plane and a 1oooft tarp being pulled the opposite direction.

the pilot said before the attempt didn't he think it would work either. maybe you're related ;)

DaFace
08-25-2009, 04:28 PM
I give up on this one. I've never understood why such a simple physics question is so often misunderstood.

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:31 PM
That would only make sense if the plane were being propelled by its wheels.

No, it wouldn't.

And even then, you could still take off (in theory) if the wheels are moving more quickly than the treadmill.

If the wheels were moving more quickly than the treadmill, then there is some other motive force being applied (say a propeller). The simple fact is that without sufficient airflow over the wings, teh wings aren't going to produce lift.

Of course, a plane's wing can produce sufficient lift for take-off if a gust of wind flows over it at the velocity for take-off.

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:32 PM
they used a plane and a 1oooft tarp being pulled the opposite direction.

the pilot said before the attempt didn't he think it would work either. maybe you're related ;)

Yes, I just watched it. You'll note that the plane was moving relative to the ground, which of course caused air to flow over the wings and produced the requisite lift.

DaFace
08-25-2009, 04:33 PM
Yes, I just watched it. You'll note that the plane was moving relative to the ground, which of course caused air to flow over the wings and produced the requisite lift.

And were its wheels spinning when it took off?

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:36 PM
And were its wheels spinning when it took off?

Yes, because it was moving relative to the ground.

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:39 PM
Yes, because it was moving relative to the ground.

Do you know why in that video the plane was moving forward relative to the ground?

I guess if the you could say if a plane is not moving forward relative to the ground then it cannot take off. But I thought the question was worded saying if the wheels were spinning at the same rate as the conveyor belt.

DaFace
08-25-2009, 04:39 PM
Then they did not use the same criteria described above.

If the planes wheels are spinning, then the aircraft has no relative ground speed. If if has no relative ground speed, no air is flowing over the aircraft's wings. If no air is flowing over the wings, there is no lift. If there is no lift, the plane will not fly.

And were its wheels spinning when it took off?

Yes, because it was moving relative to the ground.

And you don't see a problem here?

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:42 PM
Do you know why in that video the plane was moving forward relative to the ground?

I guess if the you could say if a plane is not moving forward relative to the ground then it cannot take off. But I thought the question was worded saying if the wheels were spinning at the same rate as the conveyor belt.

Because it is not an accurate test of the theory, as I said earlier. If the plane's wheels are not locked and free to spin, the treadmill underneath the plane would simply spin the plane's wheels and the plane would not move forward at all. If the plane is not moving forward (that's how planes generate enough speed to move enough air over the wings to produce lift), the plane will not take-off.

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:43 PM
Because it is not an accurate test of the theory, as I said earlier. If the plane's wheels are not locked and free to spin, the treadmill underneath the plane would simply spin the plane's wheels and the plane would not move forward at all. If the plane is not moving forward (that's how planes generate enough speed to move enough air over the wings to produce lift), the plane will not take-off.

Ahh, gotcha. That makes sense to me now.

DaFace
08-25-2009, 04:44 PM
Because it is not an accurate test of the theory, as I said earlier. If the plane's wheels are not locked and free to spin, the treadmill underneath the plane would simply spin the plane's wheels and the plane would not move forward at all. If the plane is not moving forward (that's how planes generate enough speed to move enough air over the wings to produce lift), the plane will not take-off.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're arguing (like everyone else apparently). Are you saying that a treadmill couldn't essentially "launch" the plane by moving in the same direction because the wheels would spin and the plane wouldn't move? That's a very different argument than the one I think everyone else is talking about - that a plane could take off under its own power while a treadmill was under it and moving in the opposite direction.

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:47 PM
And you don't see a problem here?

No, I don't, because the theoretical test and the one Mythbusters performed were not the same. In the case of the treadmill, the wheels are only spinning because the treadmill is moving underneath them. In the Mythbusters test, the plane is moving forward relative to the ground. So, of course the wheels are spinning, but they are spinning because the aircraft itself is moving, which wouldn't happen in the above scenario.

salame
08-25-2009, 04:48 PM
http://www.theyrecoming.com/extras/pumpkinfest03/RibsOrgans.jpg

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:48 PM
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're arguing (like everyone else apparently). Are you saying that a treadmill couldn't essentially "launch" the plane by moving in the same direction because the wheels would spin and the plane wouldn't move? That's a very different argument than the one I think everyone else is talking about - that a plane could take off under its own power while a treadmill was under it and moving in the opposite direction.

Thats what I thought we were arguing at first too.

Bearcat
08-25-2009, 04:48 PM
I never do well in these popularity contests. :sulk:

And I failed physics. Badly. :sulk:

DaFace
08-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Thats what I thought we were arguing at first too.

I didn't even know there was a question about his version, honestly.

JOhn
08-25-2009, 04:50 PM
There are several on here I would still like to meet, and would enjoy seeing those I have met again. That list used to include JOhn :shake:



:)

ROFL

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:50 PM
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're arguing (like everyone else apparently). Are you saying that a treadmill couldn't essentially "launch" the plane by moving in the same direction because the wheels would spin and the plane wouldn't move?

I'm saying that a plane sitting on a treadmill with its wheels unlock and free to spin would not take-off if the treadmill were accelerated to a speed normally required for lift-off.

That's a very different argument than the one I think everyone else is talking about - that a plane could take off under its own power while a treadmill was under it and moving in the opposite direction.

That wouldn't work, either.

Chocolate Hog
08-25-2009, 04:50 PM
I would literally eat dinner with anyone on this site, excluding: RoR and MV.

Since the only two people from CP I've met in real life are TinyE and Bill Parcells (D2112 / BP [whatever hes calling himself now]) I would have to put them on top of my list though since I can vouch for them being real cool guys.

haha you didn't list me. Raised On Riots must be a big douchebag if you would rather have dinner with me then him.

JOhn
08-25-2009, 04:50 PM
I never do well in these popularity contests. :sulk:

And I failed physics. Badly. :sulk:
OK, yet another person to add to my list

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:53 PM
I didn't even know there was a question about his version, honestly.

Me neither, but his answers make a whole lot more sense when you realize what hes arguing.

Pretty much the wheels could be moving forward at lets say 50 mph, while the treadmill moves backwards at 50 mph, but that doesn't mean the airplane is stagnant, its still moving forward.

I think...

This is too damn confusing. Sorry for jacking your thread

Halfcan
08-25-2009, 04:54 PM
did anyone pick me yet-young single girls.......... anyone??..........










crickets

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:54 PM
haha you didn't list me. Raised On Riots must be a big douchebag if you would rather have dinner with me then him.

Yesterday you said that I was ok with you, so you are okay with me. Just because we don't agree on rappers or football teams doesn't mean we cant be civil.

Halfcan
08-25-2009, 04:54 PM
I can actually fit 12 for dinner at my place.

DaFace
08-25-2009, 04:57 PM
I give up. Too many things to do.

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:57 PM
I don't know why I'm still going.

If the plane had a rolling start, then the treadmill caught up to the speed of the wheels, technically the wheels and treadmill could be moving at the exact opposite velocity of eachother, yet the plane would still be moving forward due to momentum, right?

Donger
08-25-2009, 04:57 PM
Me neither, but his answers make a whole lot more sense when you realize what hes arguing.

Pretty much the wheels could be moving forward at lets say 50 mph, while the treadmill moves backwards at 50 mph, but that doesn't mean the airplane is stagnant, its still moving forward.

I think...

This is too damn confusing. Sorry for jacking your thread

I may have confused people by mentioning the wheels, but I did so for good reason. If the wheels were locked and the treadmill accelerated to lift-off speed (and the plane didn't slide off or skid), then the plane would fly, becuase it achieved enough forward velocity to provide sufficient lift for flight. Essentially a catapult.

If the wheel are free to spin, the plane would not move at all and therefore the wings would produce no lift.

Buck
08-25-2009, 04:59 PM
I may have confused people by mentioning the wheels, but I did so for good reason. If the wheels were locked and the treadmill accelerated to lift-off speed (and the plane didn't slide off or skid), then the plane would fly, becuase it achieved enough forward velocity to provide sufficient lift for flight. Essentially a catapult.

If the wheel are free to spin, the plane would not move at all and therefore the wings would produce no lift.

I was assuming the treadmill was going the opposite direction of the way the plane was trying to go.

Baby Lee
08-25-2009, 04:59 PM
ROFL - some sites have banned all discussion of the AoaT question. The fundamental ambiguity at the heart of the controversy is below.

http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/09/09/the-goddamn-airplane-on-the-goddamn-treadmill/

http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/treadmill_diagram.png

2. vC=vW: That is, if the axle is moving forward (relative to the ground, not the treadmill) at 5 m/s, the treadmill moves backward at 5 m/s. This is physically plausible. All it means is that the wheels will spin twice as fast as normal, but that won’t stop the plane from taking off. People who subscribe to this interpretation tend to assume the people who disagree with them think airplanes are powered by their wheels.

3. vC=vW+vB: What if we hook up a speedometer to the wheel, and make the treadmill spin backward as fast as the speedometer says the plane is going forward? Then the “speedometer speed” would be vW+vB — the relative speed of the wheel over the treadmill. This is, for example, how a car-on–a-treadmill setup would work. This is the assumption that most of the ’stationary plane’ people subscribe to. The problem with this is that it’s an ill-defined system. For non-slip tires, vB=vC. So vC=vW+vC. If we make vW positive, there is no value vC can take to make the equation true. (For those stubbornly clinging to vestiges of reality, in a system where the treadmill responds via a PID controller, the result would be the treadmill quickly spinning up to infinity.) So, in this system, the plane cannot have a nonzero speed. (We’ll call this the “JetBlue” scenario.)

But if we push with the engines, what happens? The terms of the problem tell us that the plane cannot have a nonzero speed, but there’s no physical mechanism that would plausibly make this happen. The treadmill could spin the wheels, but the acceleration would destroy them before it stopped the plane. The problem is basically asking “what happens if you take a plane that can’t move and move it?” It might intrigue literary critics, but it’s a poor physics question.

So basically, those in the 'won't fly' camp read the conditions to require that the axle -->wheel -->airplance have no forward momentum, otherwise the treadmill isn't actually 'mirroring' the airplane's efforts. They aren't concerned with the practical side, where the jet engines will accelerate the wheel/treadmill apparatus to infinite speed [not fast, not really fast, but infinite, as in increasing exponentially without end], and the system fails.

Buehler445
08-25-2009, 05:00 PM
DUDE. Donger. If you put a plane on a treadmill and engaged the engine, it will create thrust and move the body of the plane, regardless of WTF the wheels are doing, off of the treadmill, and take the fugg off.

The plane DOES NOT get it's speed from the wheels. It gets it from thrust created by the engines (prop, turbo prop, or jet, typically). When the engines are engaged, the wheels would just spin faster than the treadmill and taxi off.
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Donger
08-25-2009, 05:02 PM
I don't know why I'm still going.

If the plane had a rolling start, then the treadmill caught up to the speed of the wheels, technically the wheels and treadmill could be moving at the exact opposite velocity of eachother, yet the plane would still be moving forward due to momentum, right?

It would immediately begin to decelerate until its ground speed became zero. It's the same basic concept as DaFace's scenario above:

"that a plane could take off under its own power while a treadmill was under it and moving in the opposite direction"

In that scenario, the forward motion of the plane is precisely the opposite of the force being applied by the treadmill. Therefore, they cancel each other and the relative ground speed of the plane is zero = no lift = no flight.

go bowe
08-25-2009, 05:07 PM
it should be bannable to start any post with the words "You do know". Invariably what follows is pompous and makes you want to kick the person in the shin...you do know, don't you? really...

btw, you want to kick someone in the shin?

with a little better aim you could kick their family jewels into the next county...

as for pompous, how long have you been around here?

Donger
08-25-2009, 05:07 PM
DUDE. Donger. If you put a plane on a treadmill and engaged the engine, it will create thrust and move the body of the plane, regardless of WTF the wheels are doing, off of the treadmill, and take the fugg off.

Yes, we've established what is required to produce lift.

Bearcat
08-25-2009, 05:07 PM
For great conversation.... Rain Man, FAX, Phobia, TinyEvel, HC_Chief

For just football... stevieray, hismaque (whatever), OTW, Mecca, keg

For dinner and a show... frazod, KcMizzou, Zach, irishjayhawk, Laz



People left out, not enough chairs, etc.

Buehler445
08-25-2009, 05:20 PM
Yes, we've established what is required to produce lift.

Don't be an ass. That is what will happen regardless of what the wheels are doing. Another good example is that the wheels will move at a slower speed with a tailwind, which illustrates that it doesn't matter what the wheels do. If the engines are creating enough thrust to creade lift, the fucker's flying.

Baby Lee articulated it much more effectively than I did.
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Buehler445
08-25-2009, 05:21 PM
As far as the OP, its too hard of a question. Too many good posters here.
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Donger
08-25-2009, 05:24 PM
Don't be an ass. That is what will happen regardless of what the wheels are doing. Another good example is that the wheels will move at a slower speed with a tailwind, which illustrates that it doesn't matter what the wheels do. If the engines are creating enough thrust to creade lift, the ****er's flying.

Baby Lee articulated it much more effectively than I did.
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Actually, the wheels in the treadmill scenario are very important. As I said, if the wheels are locked, then the treadmill basically acts as a catapult. The plane would quickly achieve sufficient ground speed (or air speed over the wings, if you prefer) required to achieve lift and flight. If the wheels are free to spin, that makes thing a bit more complicated.

seclark
08-25-2009, 05:28 PM
get outta my head sec.

SHUT YOUR COCKHOLSTER OR I'LL STAB YOU IN THE FACE WITH AN ICE PICK!!!
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Buehler445
08-25-2009, 05:30 PM
Actually, the wheels in the treadmill scenario are very important. As I said, if the wheels are locked, then the treadmill basically acts as a catapult. The plane would quickly achieve sufficient ground speed (or air speed over the wings, if you prefer) required to achieve lift and flight. If the wheels are free to spin, that makes thing a bit more complicated.

The wheels don't matter. The thrust does.

You need to read Baby Lee's post.

Donger
08-25-2009, 05:33 PM
The wheels don't matter. The thrust does.

You need to read Baby Lee's post.

If the wheels are locked and the treadmill moves, the wheels most certainly do matter. Because the plane will move in the direction the treadmill is moving, regardless of any other motive force.

Donger
08-25-2009, 05:37 PM
The wheels don't matter. The thrust does.

You need to read Baby Lee's post.

Look at it this way:

A plane is sitting on a treadmill

The wheels are free to spin.

The plane's propeller is not moving (so it has no forward thrust).

The treadmill begins to move in the direction opposite the plane's normal direction (forward).

In that scenario (and assuming a lack of friction), what would happen to the plane?

Buehler445
08-25-2009, 05:50 PM
If the wheels are locked and the treadmill moves, the wheels most certainly do matter. Because the plane will move in the direction the treadmill is moving, regardless of any other motive force.

WTF would you try to take off the plane with the brakes on? If you did, you'd likely just cause damage to the plane.

Donger
08-25-2009, 05:51 PM
WTF would you try to take off the plane with the brakes on? If you did, you'd likely just cause damage to the plane.

LMAO

Brock
08-25-2009, 05:52 PM
Look at it this way:

A plane is sitting on a treadmill

The wheels are free to spin.

The plane's propeller is not moving (so it has no forward thrust).

The treadmill begins to move in the direction opposite the plane's normal direction (forward).

In that scenario (and assuming a lack of friction), what would happen to the plane?

Nothing.

Buehler445
08-25-2009, 05:53 PM
Look at it this way:

A plane is sitting on a treadmill

The wheels are free to spin.

The plane's propeller is not moving (so it has no forward thrust).

The treadmill begins to move in the direction opposite the plane's normal direction (forward).

In that scenario (and assuming a lack of friction), what would happen to the plane?

That's not the question. The question was would a plane take off on a treadmill, and the answer is yes.

Donger
08-25-2009, 05:54 PM
Nothing.

Correct. Now, same scenario, but the treadmill is moving in the other direction (forward).

What happens to the plane?

Pestilence
08-25-2009, 05:54 PM
That's one huge fucking treadmill.

Brock
08-25-2009, 05:55 PM
Correct. Now, same scenario, but the treadmill is moving in the other direction (forward).

What happens to the plane?

If the wheels are freewheeling, nothing.

Donger
08-25-2009, 05:57 PM
That's not the question. The question was would a plane take off on a treadmill, and the answer is yes.

A plane on a treadmill will only achieve flight if there is sufficient airflow over the wings to generate the requisite amount of lift. That can only be achieved by the wings moving through the air, or a sufficient gust of wind blowing over the wings (not normal).

Sully
08-25-2009, 05:58 PM
Baby lee
Hamas
Banyon
Bigredchief
Guardian

Donger
08-25-2009, 05:59 PM
If the wheels are freewheeling, nothing.

Correct. So, now let's add thrust from the propeller into the mix. In the case of the second scenario, the aircraft actually gets some benefit from the forward motion of the treadmill. However, it is not enough to have the plane magically launch of the treadmill without sufficient ground speed.

Agree?

Buehler445
08-25-2009, 05:59 PM
A plane on a treadmill will only achieve flight if there is sufficient airflow over the wings to generate the requisite amount of lift. That can only be achieved by the wings moving through the air, or a sufficient gust of wind blowing over the wings (not normal).

Dude. The thrust from the engines will create said airflow. REGARDLESS of what the wheels are doing.

Buck
08-25-2009, 06:01 PM
Dude. The thrust from the engines will create said airflow. REGARDLESS of what the wheels are doing.

I believe the original question prefaced it was a propeller plane. No Jet Engines.

The point being that the propeller creates airflow, not the engine, sorry.

Dont know if this even has anything to do with anything though. This question makes my head hurt. I want to agree with you, but I also dont.

Its sort of like when you are looking at a drawing of a cube, and you cant tell which side is the top...it keeps switching.

Brock
08-25-2009, 06:02 PM
Correct. So, now let's add thrust from the propeller into the mix. In the case of the second scenario, the aircraft actually gets some benefit from the forward motion of the treadmill. However, it is not enough to have the plane magically launch of the treadmill without sufficient ground speed.

Agree?

You're not explaining yourself well at all. All that is required for flight is for a sufficient amount of air to be moving over the control surfaces of the aircraft. Ground speed is irrelevant.

Buck
08-25-2009, 06:04 PM
You're not explaining yourself well at all. All that is required for flight is for a sufficient amount of air to be moving over the control surfaces of the aircraft. Ground speed is irrelevant.

But how can there be airflow over the wings, if the airplane is not moving compared to the ground?

luv
08-25-2009, 06:05 PM
I never do well in these popularity contests. :sulk:

And I failed physics. Badly. :sulk:

You were actually in my top five before I decided to go with people I've never met.

Donger
08-25-2009, 06:07 PM
You're not explaining yourself well at all. All that is required for flight is for a sufficient amount of air to be moving over the control surfaces of the aircraft. Ground speed is irrelevant.

I've already stated that. Re-read. Anyway, we are discussing a plane on the ground, so barring a really big gust of wind, the ground speed is rather relevant.

Brock
08-25-2009, 06:07 PM
But how can there be airflow over the wings, if the airplane is not moving compared to the ground?

It wouldn't. But theoretically if the air was moving across the control surfaces, as in a wind tunnel, flight would be achieved. The propeller alone would not supply enough air movement.

Brock
08-25-2009, 06:08 PM
I've already stated that. Re-read.

It's not really interesting enough to do that.

Donger
08-25-2009, 06:10 PM
It wouldn't. But theoretically if the air was moving across the control surfaces, as in a wind tunnel, flight would be achieved. The propeller alone would not supply enough air movement.

It's the same reason aircraft carriers turn into the wind to launch aircraft. Less relative speed of the aircraft is required in order to achieve lift.

Sure-Oz
08-25-2009, 06:12 PM
I'd say if you're on my friends list you're pretty cool in my book, although i'd say most on here would be cool to have a brew with

seclark
08-25-2009, 06:18 PM
It's not really interesting enough to do that.

this is why i wanna have dinner with this guy!
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Gonzo
08-25-2009, 06:26 PM
For the last fuggin time Claythan... I DON'T date models!! :cuss:

Wait a fucking minute...

Who are you dating then???

I hope it's not that sofa king guy. You could do better.


/dials lawyer/
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burt
08-25-2009, 06:29 PM
Back to the subject:

Dane
Adept Havelock
patteuu
Nzoner
Donger.

Nzoner and would get drunk and the other 4 would cure cancer.

AndChiefs
08-25-2009, 06:31 PM
I knew I should've posted more often in the last few years...maybe then someone would like me. :(

MikeMaslowski
08-25-2009, 06:32 PM
Of people I haven't met yet....

Mecca
KcMizzou
keg in kc
Lumpy
Dylan

Damn...I thought my hot pics would have put me over the edge.:shake:

MikeMaslowski
08-25-2009, 06:36 PM
I knew I should've posted more often in the last few years...maybe then someone would like me. :(

Your mom likes you, and that post is borderline RoR....

AndChiefs
08-25-2009, 06:42 PM
Your mom likes you, and that post is borderline RoR....

Ehh...just trying to avoid doing my homework in any way possible.

ChiTown
08-25-2009, 06:43 PM
Off the top of my head, none of you.

Chi

MikeMaslowski
08-25-2009, 06:44 PM
Off the top of my head, none of you.

Chi

Your hairstylist is a guy.

Buehler445
08-25-2009, 06:56 PM
I believe the original question prefaced it was a propeller plane. No Jet Engines.

The point being that the propeller creates airflow, not the engine, sorry.

Dont know if this even has anything to do with anything though. This question makes my head hurt. I want to agree with you, but I also dont.

Its sort of like when you are looking at a drawing of a cube, and you cant tell which side is the top...it keeps switching.

They both produce the same kind of thrust. Donger is wrong.

I've already stated that. Re-read. Anyway, we are discussing a plane on the ground, so barring a really big gust of wind, the ground speed is rather relevant.

I have a feeling you're arguing just to argue, as a result, I'm not going to argue anymore. You have never once stated how the treadmill will overcome the thrust of the engine. No matter what you say, the thrust will push the plane off of the treadmill and create groundspeed to create lift.

JOhn
08-25-2009, 07:00 PM
Damn...I thought my hot pics would have put me over the edge.:shake:

But were you wearing a purple shirt?

ChiTown
08-25-2009, 07:01 PM
Your hairstylist is a guy.

Well, then my male hair stylist has a huge rack and an inverted penis..........
.

Donger
08-25-2009, 07:04 PM
They both produce the same kind of thrust. Donger is wrong.



I have a feeling you're arguing just to argue, as a result, I'm not going to argue anymore. You have never once stated how the treadmill will overcome the thrust of the engine. No matter what you say, the thrust will push the plane off of the treadmill and create groundspeed to create lift.

Where did I state that the propeller does not create thrust? Of course it does.

The question seems to be a scenario where the plane will, with zero ground speed, suddenly leap off the treadmill because of the treadmill happens to be moving underneath the plane. I'm stating that without a massive gust of wind, that is not going to happen. If the treadmill is long enough (and the plane generates sufficient ground speed/airflow over the wing, of course it is going to fly. That scenario isn't much different than a conventional take-off.

MikeMaslowski
08-25-2009, 07:08 PM
But were you wearing a purple shirt?

I saw that thread...and thankfully it wasn't me. Purple doesnt flatter my flawless features.

Skip Towne
08-25-2009, 07:10 PM
The original Wright Flyer would really screw you guys up. It didn't have any wheels.

Donger
08-25-2009, 07:11 PM
The original Wright Flyer would really screw you guys up. It didn't have any wheels.

LMAO

And its propeller pushed, not pulled! The catapult it used was awesome, however.

stevieray
08-25-2009, 07:14 PM
lamest hijack ever.

ChiTown
08-25-2009, 07:15 PM
Your hairstylist is a guy.

In all seriousness, I don't think there is one person that I have conversed with on CP that I wouldn't have dinner with and buy dinner for. I'll drink and eat with just about anyone.......even skip.

JOhn
08-25-2009, 07:16 PM
In all seriousness, I don't think there is one person that I have conversed with on CP that I wouldn't have dinner with and buy dinner for. I'll drink and eat with just about anyone.......even skip.

THIS

Gonzo
08-25-2009, 07:16 PM
lamest hijack ever.

This
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DeezNutz
08-25-2009, 07:18 PM
Morphed into the most boring thread, evah.

Skip Towne
08-25-2009, 07:18 PM
LMAO

And its propeller pushed, not pulled! The catapult it used was awesome, however.

The whole thing was awesome. They built their own engine and it had an aluminum block. In 1903!! That engine drove two propellers, one spinning clockwise and the other counter clockwise so they didn't have to deal with torque.

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 07:24 PM
I'll eat dinner with anyone who voted for me. The rest of you can eat fuck pie.

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 07:25 PM
BONUS:

Since SAUTO voted for me, you can experience after-dinner, non-stop SAKE!

joesomebody
08-25-2009, 07:33 PM
ROFL - some sites have banned all discussion of the AoaT question. The fundamental ambiguity at the heart of the controversy is below.

http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/09/09/the-goddamn-airplane-on-the-goddamn-treadmill/

http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/treadmill_diagram.png



So basically, those in the 'won't fly' camp read the conditions to require that the axle -->wheel -->airplance have no forward momentum, otherwise the treadmill isn't actually 'mirroring' the airplane's efforts. They aren't concerned with the practical side, where the jet engines will accelerate the wheel/treadmill apparatus to infinite speed [not fast, not really fast, but infinite, as in increasing exponentially without end], and the system fails.So basically if I get my Deloran to 88 mph... you're saying I can go back and put swine flu in the 1997 Bronco's koolaid?

burt
08-25-2009, 07:39 PM
Back to the subject:

Dane
Adept Havelock
patteuu
Nzoner
Donger.

Nzoner and would get drunk and the other 4 would cure cancer.

AND Skip and Bill Parcells........

Donger
08-25-2009, 07:45 PM
lamest hijack ever.

You're correct. That hairstylist thing really took the lift out of the thread.

Tits McGee
08-25-2009, 07:51 PM
Landing a plane on a treadmill = lost burst.

Chocolate Hog
08-25-2009, 07:54 PM
1. Raised On Riots
2. Mecca
3. Nnzoer
4. MicJones
5. Whatever hot chick post on here

Reerun_KC
08-25-2009, 08:01 PM
14 pages and 209 posts and not one person would like to have dinner with me...

You all can die and go fuck yourself in a bucket of flaming ass!

boogblaster
08-25-2009, 08:03 PM
Skip
scott free
Halfcan
Simply Red
Stevie Ray

Sully
08-25-2009, 08:03 PM
14 pages and 209 posts and not one person would like to have dinner with me...

You all can die and go fuck yourself in a bucket of flaming ass!

Me either. I just chalk it up to being WAY funnier in the real world.

Gonzo
08-25-2009, 08:03 PM
14 pages and 209 posts and not one person would like to have dinner with me...

You all can die and go fuck yourself in a bucket of flaming ass!

I'll have dinner with ya... but you're buying.
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OnTheWarpath58
08-25-2009, 08:06 PM
Me either. I just chalk it up to being WAY funnier in the real world.

You would have been on my list, but we've already met.

Reerun_KC
08-25-2009, 08:06 PM
Sully
Gonzo
Buehler445
KC_Mizzou
Frazod

smittysbar
08-25-2009, 08:07 PM
I'll have dinner with ya... but you're buying.
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Not as boring as this thread became, whoever started that BS is not allowed to dinner.

edit: lol, I read your post as boring.........since I was just about bored to death reading that crap.

Reerun_KC
08-25-2009, 08:07 PM
OTWP58
Ari_Chiefs
The Talking Can
Milkman
The Bad Guy

Reerun_KC
08-25-2009, 08:08 PM
I'll have dinner with ya... but you're buying.
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if you ever in OKC metro area. Wings and Beer is on me.

unothadeal
08-25-2009, 08:08 PM
I'm posting to stay fresh in peoples minds so they are more likely to put me in their list.

Sully
08-25-2009, 08:08 PM
You would have been on my list, but we've already met.

Have we?

ROFL

I have a very vague idea of who I've even met on here.

Fairplay
08-25-2009, 08:09 PM
5. Whatever hot chick post on here



Then that still leaves you with 4 people.

StcChief
08-25-2009, 08:09 PM
Frazod
Nzoner
Stevie Ray
XFactor
BrainCase

no kids allowed.

DaFace
08-25-2009, 08:09 PM
Not as boring as this thread became, whoever started that BS is not allowed to dinner.

Dammit Buck!! :cuss:

Fuck.

I do have to admit, you personally created the thread that caused me to "miss" out on the most work ever, during the work week.

I'm afraid if you and I ate dinner together we'd argue over whether or not a plane with its wheels spinning on a treadmill could take off.

OnTheWarpath58
08-25-2009, 08:10 PM
Have we?

ROFL

I have a very vague idea of who I've even met on here.

Saturday afternoon football game a couple of years back with Phil, Roger, etc.

Your better half was there as well.

Donger
08-25-2009, 08:11 PM
Landing a plane on a treadmill = lost burst.

Fascinating. We've only discussed taking off from a treadmill up to this point, but I suppose we could expand it to include the hypothetical landing of the same aircraft on the same treadmill.

DeezNutz
08-25-2009, 08:11 PM
I don't like any of you fuckers.

I come here only to read my own posts.

Fairplay
08-25-2009, 08:11 PM
So many to choose from.

Scottfree
HemiEd
Dane
Frazod
Jenson71

Ari and Buehler would be cool also.

Buehler445
08-25-2009, 08:11 PM
Dammit Buck!! :cuss:

BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

OnTheWarpath58
08-25-2009, 08:12 PM
I don't like any of you fuckers.

I come here only to read my own posts.

LMAO

Definitely on my list, fucker.

Sully
08-25-2009, 08:12 PM
Saturday afternoon football game a couple of years back with Phil, Roger, etc.

Your better half was there as well.

Ah.
I never talked to folks at those, so I apologize for not remembering.

Reerun_KC
08-25-2009, 08:13 PM
FWIW, I am avoiding all aviation and aerodynamics conversations...

OnTheWarpath58
08-25-2009, 08:13 PM
Ah.
I never talked to folks at those, so I apologize for not remembering.

I was the bald guy with the goatee.

ROFL

Sully
08-25-2009, 08:13 PM
I was the bald guy with the goatee.

ROFL

Now I remember!!!

ROFL

luv
08-25-2009, 08:13 PM
Okay...my real list....

Bearcat
KcMizzou
Mecca
Mr Flopnuts
Rausch

Fairplay
08-25-2009, 08:15 PM
What about me Luv?

Sully
08-25-2009, 08:15 PM
I know who Phil and Roger are, and could pick them out in a crowd.
I remember Valiant being big, but couldn't point him out if he were in front of me.
I remember Domer, but the same applies.
I remember Dave Lane.

Reerun_KC
08-25-2009, 08:16 PM
Okay...my real list....

Bearcat
KcMizzou
Mecca
Mr Flopnuts
Rausch

I feel so left out!

luv
08-25-2009, 08:17 PM
What about me Luv?

What do you have to add to the conversation besides insults?

OnTheWarpath58
08-25-2009, 08:20 PM
I know who Phil and Roger are, and could pick them out in a crowd.
I remember Valiant being big, but couldn't point him out if he were in front of me.
I remember Domer, but the same applies.
I remember Dave Lane.

Add yourself and Lzen to that list, and that's where I'm at.

Reerun_KC
08-25-2009, 08:20 PM
What do you have to add to the conversation besides insults?

:sulk:

me?

Donger
08-25-2009, 08:21 PM
:sulk:

me?

Play with it, son, but don't talk to it.

Sfeihc
08-25-2009, 08:21 PM
Fax, Iowaian, BobDole, Tiny Evel and Demonpenz.

luv
08-25-2009, 08:23 PM
:sulk:

me?

I could only pick five.

Raised On Riots
08-25-2009, 08:29 PM
:sulk:

me?

Cheer up; I'll take you to Molly Murphy's and let "Prince" have his way with you!:D

Fairplay
08-25-2009, 08:32 PM
What do you have to add to the conversation besides insults?


That is all i will add, that is correct.

burt
08-25-2009, 08:36 PM
AND Skip and Bill Parcells........

and Fax, and Morphius, and Rausch.

Skip Towne
08-25-2009, 08:36 PM
I rewarded the guy who picked me with 3633 rep points. The rest of you can pound sand

JD10367
08-25-2009, 08:37 PM
I don't know any of you, so I defer to the board's expertise and pick the five hottest female posters you have. :shrug:

DISCLAIMER: this means ACTUAL WOMEN. Not crossdressers, sexually-ambivalent types, or other such sorts you might have hanging around here.

luv
08-25-2009, 08:40 PM
I don't know any of you, so I defer to the board's expertise and pick the five hottest female posters you have. :shrug:

DISCLAIMER: this means ACTUAL WOMEN. Not crossdressers, sexually-ambivalent types, or other such sorts you might have hanging around here.

I think there are only three left. Katipan, Lumpy, and Jilly. You might have to throw a couple of crossdressers in there.

CosmicPal
08-25-2009, 08:42 PM
BONUS:

Since SAUTO voted for me, you can experience after-dinner, non-stop SAKE!

Well, call me a clancy, had I known after-dinner, non-stop SAKE! was included, then I would've voted for you. Of course, I haven't voted for anyone yet, so maybe you'd be the first on my list- just make sure not to forget the sake.