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Direckshun
08-25-2009, 11:19 PM
Anybody else think Colin Brown and McIntosh are the odd men out here?

Give us your OL depth chart. Practice squad not included.

LT: Albert, Taylor
LG: Waters, Smith
C: Alleman, Ghiaciuc
RG: Goff, Niswanger
RT: Richardson, Ndukwe

Colin Brown makes the practice squad. McIntosh is cut.

DaneMcCloud
08-25-2009, 11:20 PM
No.

Goff's on the way out.

And your depth chart is incorrect.

Alleman is lining up at right guard.

Direckshun
08-25-2009, 11:25 PM
No.

Goff's on the way out.

And your depth chart is incorrect.

Alleman is lining up at right guard.

Actually, if you look at the official depth chart, Ndukwe is lining up at right guard. But I don't believe that, either. Pioli's been unhappy with McIntosh at right tackle since the day he got here. He's tried to correct it with a draft pick (Brown moved inside), by promoting Richardson (he's sputtered), and now by bringing in Ndukwe, who has right tackle experience and says himself he's going to play right tackle.

Alleman is slated on the official depth chart at center, and I do think that's where he'll end up.

This year, anyway. Haley still really likes Goff. I know he hasn't performed but Haley has a track record of promoting those who work their asses off and act as leaders. Methinks Goff stays and starts -- for a while.

Next year is anybody's guess.

Direckshun
08-25-2009, 11:28 PM
I'm starting to think about it more and more, and this team will definitely only have 9 OL on the roster.

In which case I think Ndukwe currently occupies the backup position at both right spots. Niswanger is the backup C, and Ghiaciuc is gone.

LT: Albert, Taylor
LG: Waters, Smith
C: Alleman, Niswanger
RG: Goff, Ndukwe
RT: Richardson, Ndukwe

Colin Brown goes to the practice squad. McIntosh and Ghiaciuc are cut.

DaneMcCloud
08-25-2009, 11:30 PM
I'm starting to think about it more and more, and this team will definitely only have 9 OL on the roster.

In which case I think Ndukwe currently occupies the backup position at both right spots. Niswanger is the backup C, and Ghiaciuc is gone.

LT: Albert, Taylor
LG: Waters, Smith
C: Alleman, Niswanger
RG: Goff, Ndukwe
RT: Richardson, Ndukwe

Colin Brown goes to the practice squad. McIntosh and Ghiaciuc are cut.

Dude, you're not reading the daily transcripts. Haley said today that Alleman is a RIGHT GUARD. Not a center. Ndukwe is a RIGHT TACKLE.

And Ghiaciuc was running with the first team, as he should.

Niswanger fucking sucks ass.

Direckshun
08-25-2009, 11:34 PM
Dude, you're not reading the daily transcripts. Haley said today that Alleman is a RIGHT GUARD. Not a center. Ndukwe is a RIGHT TACKLE.

And Ghiaciuc was running with the first team, as he should.

Niswanger ****ing sucks ass.

Versatility, man. These guys are valued here because they are versatile. Alleman can handle RG and C. He'll likely get reps at both during the remainder of the preseason. Ndukwe can handle both right spots, and will take reps at both.

You are assuming, as I try to follow your line of logic, that this team will keep Ghiaciuc and Niswanger, and cut Goff. And that's insane.

Either way, you are assuming that either Niswanger or Goff (or both) is completely cut by the time the roster's down to 53. I find that incredibly unlikely.

SNR
08-25-2009, 11:34 PM
Niswanger will be used as guard depth if he doesn't grab the starting center spot (which is possible... he's sucked wastewater this preseason)

I highly doubt Alleman starts, due to the lovely reports I've heard from around the league about how awful he is. Yeah, yeah, I KNOW our line sucks, but christ. One team's 3rd stringer is NOT our starter. It's not that bad. He's not even from a team that has that great of a line. They just have depth to burn, that's all.

Wade Smith is a better guard than Niswanger, but how are his skills at center? If he's good enough for depth at backup center, and Ghiaciuc takes the starting spot away, THEN Niswanger would be cut.

pr_capone
08-25-2009, 11:34 PM
Niswanger ****ing sucks ass.

Too bad... smart guy too.

He will just have to make due being a doctor.

Somehow I think he will be ok in life.

Direckshun
08-25-2009, 11:37 PM
Wade Smith is a better guard than Niswanger, but how are his skills at center? If he's good enough for depth at backup center, and Ghiaciuc takes the starting spot away, THEN Niswanger would be cut.

Possible.

Smith can play any spot on the interior line.

DaneMcCloud
08-25-2009, 11:40 PM
Either way, you are assuming that either Niswanger or Goff (or both) is completely cut by the time the roster's down to 53. I find that incredibly unlikely.

Are you kidding? Have even watched either guy play?

WTF?

And furthermore, you need to read Haley's transcripts. They're in direct contradiction to your "ideas".

Direckshun
08-25-2009, 11:43 PM
Are you kidding? Have even watched either guy play?

WTF?

And furthermore, you need to read Haley's transcripts. They're in direct contradiction to your "ideas".

Sounds like a two-month signature bet to me. (Even though I have sigs disabled and haven't the slightest clue what mine says anymore -- it's probably been phished again.)

The bet: by the time the roster is down to 53, I say either Niswanger or Goff will be on this team.

Put your money where your mouth is?

Direckshun
08-25-2009, 11:44 PM
By the way, Dane, what are you suggesting for the OL?

LT: Albert, Taylor
LG: Waters, Smith
C: Ghiaciuc, Smith
RG: Alleman, Ndukwe
RT: Richardson, Ndukwe

Is this what you'd assume? Correct me anywhere I'm wrong.

Count Zarth
08-25-2009, 11:44 PM
Just because Alleman is a G now doesn't mean he won't play center this season...we'll have to wait and see.

Personally I STILL believe that Goff is the answer at RG, he just had a bad game against Kevin Williams. Happens to a lot of guards.

Chocolate Hog
08-25-2009, 11:46 PM
Why wouldn't Ndukwe play right guard where he started 15 games? He sucks at right tackle.

DaneMcCloud
08-25-2009, 11:50 PM
Sounds like a two-month signature bet to me. (Even though I have sigs disabled and haven't the slightest clue what mine says anymore -- it's probably been phished again.)

The bet: by the time the roster is down to 53, I say either Niswanger or Goff will be on this team.

Put your money where your mouth is?

Well, considering that I don't have a signature, you're on.

If you want, we could bet $10,000 in casino cash. But, the bet has to be opening day because Pioli and Haley will be making changes to the roster at least until then.

Direckshun
08-25-2009, 11:51 PM
Well, considering that I don't have a signature, you're on.

If you want, we could bet $10,000 in casino cash. But, the bet has to be opening day because Pioli and Haley will be making changes to the roster at least until then.

Sure, let's do the casino cash thing.

Opening day against the Ravens: Goff and/or Niswanger will be on this roster.

By the way, what does your OL depth chart look like?

DaneMcCloud
08-25-2009, 11:54 PM
Sure, let's do the casino cash thing.

Opening day against the Ravens: Goff and/or Niswanger will be on this roster.

By the way, what does your OL depth chart look like?

My OL depth chart, much like the Chiefs roster, is fluid.

The only positions to me that are set in stone are Waters & Harris at left guard with Albert at left tackle. The rest are up for grabs.

Edit: The bet for me is that Goff won't be on the roster. I think Niswanger is on the roster but that Alleman won't be a center.

Direckshun
08-25-2009, 11:55 PM
You like Harris that much?

I don't even project him on the roster at this point.

DaneMcCloud
08-25-2009, 11:58 PM
You like Harris that much?

I don't even project him on the roster at this point.

Oh, Dude.

Have you watched and graded him out? The dude is a monster. He's going to be the starting left guard next year. He's athletic, is a great downfield blocker, pulls well and at 6'4, 310 pounds at age 21, he's only going to get stronger and better.

I mentioned him first in another thread and Milkman joined in with even further analysis. Both of us like him very, very much.

Direckshun
08-26-2009, 12:01 AM
I've seen him play and I haven't been impressed, really, at all. He played very well against the Texans, but then so did the entire second-string OL. He got eaten alive along with the rest of the OL against the Vikings, though.

I don't know, I've generally come to trust MM's analysis on lineman, so that's exciting. I personally haven't seen it on the field just yet.

Raised On Riots
08-26-2009, 12:01 AM
We got a new line? Sweet!
(that last one minus Albert sucked ass)

Direckshun
08-26-2009, 12:03 AM
Edit: The bet for me is that Goff won't be on the roster. I think Niswanger is on the roster but that Alleman won't be a center.

Alright, I'm slightly disappointed that you've backpedaled but I'll take the bet.

So you honestly think we're entering the season with Ghiaciuc and Niswanger as our center depth?

Because I really don't. I think that's the whole reason Alleman was brought here.

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 12:04 AM
I've seen him play and I haven't been impressed, really, at all. He played very well against the Texans, but then so did the entire second-string OL. He got eaten alive along with the rest of the OL against the Vikings, though.

What? Eaten alive? WTF?

Are you watching on a 13" black and white standard def TV? He had ONE missed blocked the entire second half. The rest of the time, he blocked well, pulled well and was out in front of the running back on screens and outside plays.

You need to re-watch the game because your analysis is way, way off.

RustShack
08-26-2009, 12:04 AM
Albert-Waters-Goff-Ndukwe-Richardson
Taylor-Harris-Ghiaciuc-Alleman-Smith(Ndukwe slides to RT)

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 12:05 AM
Alright, I'm slightly disappointed that you've backpedaled but I'll take the bet.

So you honestly think we're entering the season with Ghiaciuc and Niswanger as our center depth?

Because I really don't. I think that's the whole reason Alleman was brought here.

I back-pedaled? Let me go back and look.

And again, I don't think the Chiefs are anywhere near finished with the roster and it is possible that Niswanger doesn't make the squad. It all depends on the waiver wire.

Chocolate Hog
08-26-2009, 12:07 AM
Dane you like Harris? You gonna give Pioli props on that? haha

Raised On Riots
08-26-2009, 12:07 AM
I back-pedaled? Let me go back and look.

And again, I don't think the Chiefs are anywhere near finished with the roster and it is possible that Niswanger doesn't make the squad. It all depends on the waiver wire.

I can't WAIT for first cuts; we're not done with this line just yet!

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 12:07 AM
Albert-Waters-Goff-Ndukwe-Richardson
Taylor-Harris-Ghiaciuc-Alleman-Smith(Ndukwe slides to RT)

Goff at center?

What the fuck are you people smokin'?

Direckshun
08-26-2009, 12:07 AM
I back-pedaled? Let me go back and look.

And again, I don't think the Chiefs are anywhere near finished with the roster and it is possible that Niswanger doesn't make the squad. It all depends on the waiver wire.

I think Niswanger and Goff are both locked in, primarily because Haley likes them both so much. I think he's willing to bench Niswanger but he wants Goff starting.

Like you said though, we'll see.

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 12:08 AM
Dane you like Harris? You gonna give Pioli props on that? haha

Already did in the "Individual Performance" thread last week.

Count Zarth
08-26-2009, 12:20 AM
Dane has been pimping Harris enough that I should go back and get some gifs. Sounds interesting.

Direckshun
08-26-2009, 01:42 AM
Dane has been pimping Harris enough that I should go back and get some gifs. Sounds interesting.

Fuck yes.

milkman
08-26-2009, 03:12 AM
Just because Alleman is a G now doesn't mean he won't play center this season...we'll have to wait and see.

Personally I STILL believe that Goff is the answer at RG, he just had a bad game against Kevin Williams. Happens to a lot of guards.

Mike Goff sucked ass against the Texans.

milkman
08-26-2009, 03:23 AM
With these additions, I think Wade Smith gets shown the door, and Colin Brown has played too well at RG this preseason to get to the practice squad.
If he's cut, someone picks him up.

Albert, Taylor
Waters, Harris
Niswanger, Allenby
Goff, Brown
Richardson, Ndukwe

That is fluid, of course, because Taylor can backup at both tackle spots, Allenby and Ndukwe can both play at RG, and Niswanger only holds the center position because we are all almost certain to find out just how badly Ghiaciuc sucks.

Personally, I would really like Waters moved inside to center, a position he manned earlier in his career, and see how a line of Albert, Harris, Waters, Brown and Richardson could fare together.

Red Beans
08-26-2009, 06:29 AM
Personally, I would really like Waters moved inside to center, a position he manned earlier in his career, and see how a line of Albert, Harris, Waters, Brown and Richardson could fare together.[/QUOTE]

I like milky's idea here for the most part but the only concern for me would be that moving Waters and Harris not being quite ready. That being said our offensive line is sucking more than a whore on payday. Also, there is no way Brown gets cut. he won't pass waivers and we spent a 5th on him...No way Scott and Todd let go one of the guys from their first draft so early...

Chiefnj2
08-26-2009, 07:29 AM
Goff sucked in both games. McIntosh is still the best RT on the team (which isn't saying much at all).

Buehler445
08-26-2009, 07:38 AM
With these additions, I think Wade Smith gets shown the door, and Colin Brown has played too well at RG this preseason to get to the practice squad.
If he's cut, someone picks him up.

Albert, Taylor
Waters, Harris
Niswanger, Allenby
Goff, Brown
Richardson, Ndukwe

That is fluid, of course, because Taylor can backup at both tackle spots, Allenby and Ndukwe can both play at RG, and Niswanger only holds the center position because we are all almost certain to find out just how badly Ghiaciuc sucks.

Personally, I would really like Waters moved inside to center, a position he manned earlier in his career, and see how a line of Albert, Harris, Waters, Brown and Richardson could fare together.

I will dance a jig if Sackintosh gets cut.

milkman
08-26-2009, 07:52 AM
Goff sucked in both games. McIntosh is still the best RT on the team (which isn't saying much at all).

No, no he isn't.

Chiefnj2
08-26-2009, 07:53 AM
No, no he isn't.

Richardson sucked ass.

John_Wayne
08-26-2009, 07:53 AM
LT: Albert, Taylor
LG: Waters, Smith
C: Niswanger, Ghiaciuic
RG: Alleman, Goff
RT: Ndukwe, Richardson

Colin Brown goes to the practice squad. McIntosh is traded or kept for depth.

milkman
08-26-2009, 08:00 AM
Richardson sucked ass.

No he didn't.

I've watched and rewatched Richardson's play in the Viking game, and, while he wasn't spectacular, he played far better than everyone thinks he did.

milkman
08-26-2009, 08:01 AM
LT: Albert, Taylor
LG: Waters, Smith
C: Niswanger, Ghiaciuic
RG: Alleman, Goff
RT: Ndukwe, Richardson

Colin Brown goes to the practice squad. McIntosh is traded or kept for depth.

Colin Brown will not clear waivers.

Chiefnj2
08-26-2009, 08:01 AM
No he didn't.

I've watched and rewatched Richardson's play in the Viking game, and, while he wasn't spectacular, he played far better than everyone thinks he did.

I don't care how many times you watched it, he sucked.

JASONSAUTO
08-26-2009, 08:01 AM
Colin Brown will not clear waivers.

i agree.

milkman
08-26-2009, 08:05 AM
I don't care how many times you watched it, he sucked.

And you are a fucking idiot.

Delano
08-26-2009, 08:12 AM
All of these depth charts include Ndukwe and Alleman. Seems premature, considering they haven't been seen playing in a Chiefs uniform by any of us.

I think McIntosh makes the team, along with Barry, unless Ndukwe absolutely beasts shit up.

Chiefnj2
08-26-2009, 08:22 AM
And you are a ****ing idiot.

Watch the game 4 more times. And you know what? He still sucks. Just because you have tivo and the patience to watch a preseason game 5x, doesn't mean you are a coach, or that you have any greater insight than anyone else.

Direckshun
08-26-2009, 08:37 AM
Just because you have tivo and the patience to watch a preseason game 5x, doesn't mean ... you have any greater insight than anyone else.

Actually, that's exactly what it means.

If he watched it and rewatched it several times, his insight is necessarily better than somebody who just watched the game live.

KCUnited
08-26-2009, 08:41 AM
Goff's play on Friday was so bad it made Richardson appear to play worse than he did. I was guilty of it the first time I watched it live, but it was evident on the dvr. That said, Haley's quote that Barry isn't ready for primetime and the addition of Ndukwe speak to where they feel Barry is at.

wild1
08-26-2009, 08:48 AM
And any debate there might have been about Goff starting at right guard, has ended

JASONSAUTO
08-26-2009, 09:37 AM
Actually, that's exactly what it means.

If he watched it and rewatched it several times, his insight is necessarily better than somebody who just watched the game live.

i agree, what the hell was he thinking when he said that?

Chiefnj2
08-26-2009, 09:56 AM
i agree, what the hell was he thinking when he said that?

Sauto, if I gave you a 5th grade reading level book. Would it matter if you read it once or five times? Of course not. It's too complicated for you. You'll never understand it.

JASONSAUTO
08-26-2009, 09:57 AM
Sauto, if I gave you a 5th grade reading level book. Would it matter if you read it once or five times? Of course not. It's too complicated for you. You'll never understand it.

ok:rolleyes: i understand that terri schiavo is still smarter than you

SNR
08-26-2009, 10:02 AM
Sauto, if I gave you a 5th grade reading level book. Would it matter if you read it once or five times? Of course not. It's too complicated for you. You'll never understand it.
:spock:

Oh, what our society could accomplish if they only taught logic in schools

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 10:59 AM
Sauto, if I gave you a 5th grade reading level book. Would it matter if you read it once or five times? Of course not. It's too complicated for you. You'll never understand it.

Oh, JFC.

So I take it that watching game film is now equated to Rocket Science?

What the fuck is wrong with people like you that think like this?

Didn't you play high school football for 3 or 4 years and watch film after practice and games? I mean, come the fuck on. It's not that fucking difficult.

JFC, Dude. I've never agreed with your personnel opinions but I've never thought you a were football moron.

Until now.

Chiefshrink
08-26-2009, 11:04 AM
It will be musical chairs with the right side for the next few weeks until they can find some respectable chemistry,my guess. Pioli and the Patriot way is to find guys that truly "WANT" to play football and can play multiple positions especially along the O and D line.

Chiefshrink
08-26-2009, 11:10 AM
i agree.

At worst Collin Brown will make the practice squad at best he will be backup initially and will work into a starter by mid-season.

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 11:11 AM
At worst Collin Brown will make the practice squad at best he will be backup initially and will work into a starter by mid-season.

There's no way the Chiefs cut a 5th round draft choice.

No fucking way.

Chiefshrink
08-26-2009, 11:12 AM
No way Brown gets cut.

MahiMike
08-26-2009, 11:12 AM
LT: Albert, Taylor
LG: Waters, Smith
C: Ghiaciuc
RG: Alleman, Goff
RT: McIntosh, Ndukwe

From what I saw of last game, Richardson is out and he's the reason for the trade. Pioli was making dinner arrangements w/his father in law at half time.

JASONSAUTO
08-26-2009, 11:12 AM
No way Brown gets cut.

DONT THEY have to cut him to get him on the PS?

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 11:14 AM
DONT THEY have to cut him to get him on the PS?

Yes

JASONSAUTO
08-26-2009, 11:15 AM
Yes

i know:D that guy just contradicts himself every now and again

tomahawk kid
08-26-2009, 11:16 AM
I'm betting at some point this season we'll see a starting line of:

Albert-Waters -Ghiaciuc-Alleman-Ndukwe.

It sounds like that's the goal at least, based on how they were running in practice yesterday.

Chiefshrink
08-26-2009, 11:20 AM
LT: Albert, Taylor
LG: Waters, Smith
C: Ghiaciuc
RG: Alleman, Goff
RT: McIntosh, Ndukwe

From what I saw of last game, Richardson is out and he's the reason for the trade. Pioli was making dinner arrangements w/his father in law at half time.

I think McInsuck is out but agree with everything else.

Chiefshrink
08-26-2009, 11:32 AM
Yes

What is the rule of PS then; if a team comes calling do the Chiefs have the right to protect that player by moving that player to the roster of 53 first or is it true open season?

Chiefshrink
08-26-2009, 11:50 AM
i know:D that guy just contradicts himself every now and again

I didn't think you had to be cut to be placed on PS. My bad.

CoMoChief
08-26-2009, 11:54 AM
All I know is we better draft OL, LB and WR in next season's draft.

JASONSAUTO
08-26-2009, 11:55 AM
I didn't think you had to be cut to be placed on PS. My bad.

its cool, just giggin ya

SNR
08-26-2009, 12:47 PM
All I know is we better draft OL, LB and WR in next season's draft.Nah

Frosty
08-26-2009, 12:48 PM
With McIntosh moving back to the left side, I am starting to think Taylor may be a goner.

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2009, 12:49 PM
All I know is we better draft OL, LB and WR in next season's draft.

Christ, how many years have we been saying that?

And shockingly, what are the positions we are hurting the most at?

OL, LB, WR.

RustShack
08-26-2009, 12:49 PM
Albert-Waters-Ghialac-Goff-Ndukwe
Taylor-Harris-Smith-Alleman-Richardson

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 12:51 PM
Albert-Waters-Ghialac-Goff-Ndukwe
Taylor-Harris-Smith-Alleman-Richardson

Wow, Rusty.

What did Goff do at center today that made you move him back to right guard?

LMAO

SNR
08-26-2009, 12:51 PM
With McIntosh moving back to the left side, I am starting to think Taylor may be a goner.You shut your whore mouth

Frosty
08-26-2009, 12:53 PM
You shut your whore mouth

Hey - you're the one with an avatar of Herb Taylor that says "Banned".

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2009, 12:53 PM
You shut your whore mouth

LMAO

Chocolate Hog
08-26-2009, 12:56 PM
Whats with the Collin Brown love? I don't remember him doing anything during the first few games.

wasi
08-26-2009, 12:59 PM
I think McInsuck is out but agree with everything else.

I dunno, Haley has him back on the left side today. I could see only 8 linemen making the roster with a premium on versatility. IMO, Haley keeps more receivers and linebackers so he sacrifices a roster spot on the oline. The trade yesterday enables that to happen.

LT Albert, McIntosh
LG Waters, Smith
C Niswanger, Alleman
RG Alleman, Ndukwe
RT Ndukwe, Richardson, McIntosh

PS: Brown, Harris

RustShack
08-26-2009, 01:06 PM
Whats with the Collin Brown love? I don't remember him doing anything during the first few games.

Same reason you love Mike Brown. His college. Oh and for the record I like Mike even though he played for Nebraska.

RustShack
08-26-2009, 01:07 PM
I dunno, Haley has him back on the left side today. I could see only 8 linemen making the roster with a premium on versatility. IMO, Haley keeps more receivers and linebackers so he sacrifices a roster spot on the oline. The trade yesterday enables that to happen.

LT Albert, McIntosh
LG Waters, Smith
C Niswanger, Alleman
RG Alleman, Ndukwe
RT Ndukwe, Richardson, McIntosh

PS: Brown, Harris

I doubt Herb Taylor gets cut.

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 01:21 PM
I dunno, Haley has him back on the left side today. I could see only 8 linemen making the roster with a premium on versatility. IMO, Haley keeps more receivers and linebackers so he sacrifices a roster spot on the oline. The trade yesterday enables that to happen.

LT Albert, McIntosh
LG Waters, Smith
C Niswanger, Alleman
RG Alleman, Ndukwe
RT Ndukwe, Richardson, McIntosh

PS: Brown, Harris

LMAO

There's NO WAY that Harris makes it through waivers.

Wade Smith???????????

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE WATCHING???????????

Brown would NEVER make it through waivers, either.

JFC, people.

Get a goddamn CLUE.

Pestilence
08-26-2009, 01:22 PM
LT Albert, Taylor
LG Waters, Harris
C Niswanger, Alleman
RG Ndukwe, Brown
RT Richardson, McIntosh

PS: Goff :)

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 01:23 PM
I doubt Herb Taylor gets cut.

Herb Taylor has WAY TOO MUCH VALUE to EVER be CUT.

Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Delano
08-26-2009, 01:31 PM
LMAO

There's NO WAY that Harris makes it through waivers.

Wade Smith???????????

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU PEOPLE WATCHING???????????

Brown would NEVER make it through waivers, either.

JFC, people.

Get a goddamn CLUE.

What is even cooler about that list is two of his starters are also the only backups at two other positions.

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 01:32 PM
What is even cooler about that list is two of his starters are also the only backups at two other positions.

Yeah, that IS cool

wasi
08-26-2009, 01:36 PM
LMAO

There's NO WAY that Harris makes it through waivers.

Wade Smith???????????

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU PEOPLE WATCHING???????????

Brown would NEVER make it through waivers, either.

JFC, people.

Get a goddamn CLUE.

I'm fine with either Brown or Harris over Smith if the feeling is one won't make it to the practice squad. The GM/coach are looking for versatility so that's why I have Smith there initally. Taylor I agree has value but I see him as being a LT only and I think he's the odd man out in my scenario. If they keep 9 he will like be the one.

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 01:38 PM
I'm fine with either Brown or Harris over Smith if the feeling is one won't make it to the practice squad. The GM/coach are looking for versatility so that's why I have Smith there initally. Taylor I agree has value but I see him as being a LT only and I think he's the odd man out in my scenario. If they keep 9 he will like be the one.

Smith sucks ass. Did you even watch the Chiefs last year?

There's NO WAY they try to sneak either Brown or Harris through waivers.

Taylor has TRADE VALUE so if the Chiefs are looking to find a roster spot for someone else, he'll be traded, not released.

ChiefaRoo
08-26-2009, 01:46 PM
Oh, JFC.

So I take it that watching game film is now equated to Rocket Science?

What the **** is wrong with people like you that think like this?

Didn't you play high school football for 3 or 4 years and watch film after practice and games? I mean, come the **** on. It's not that ****ing difficult.

JFC, Dude. I've never agreed with your personnel opinions but I've never thought you a were football moron.

Until now.

Get 'em Dane!! :)

wasi
08-26-2009, 02:01 PM
Smith sucks ass. Did you even watch the Chiefs last year?

There's NO WAY they try to sneak either Brown or Harris through waivers.

Taylor has TRADE VALUE so if the Chiefs are looking to find a roster spot for someone else, he'll be traded, not released.

Yes, I agree Smith sucks. His value is only that he can "play" LG,C and RG which is what my above OL scenario is based on, 8 o-linemen.

As for Brown and Harris and the waiver question.. it appears I should've given a detailed description of how exactly these two were going to end up on the PS. As with everything we post here it was speculation on where they would end up. Next time I won't be so careless.

ChiefaRoo
08-26-2009, 02:04 PM
Yes, I agree Smith sucks. His value is only that he can "play" LG,C and RG which is what my above OL scenario is based on, 8 o-linemen.

As for Brown and Harris and the waiver question.. it appears I should've given a detailed description of how exactly these two were going to end up on the PS. As with everything we post here it was speculation on where they would end up. Next time I won't be so careless.

It's not logical that you say Smith sucks but that he has value if he can play three positions.

Put another way you just said 3 x 0 = value

wasi
08-26-2009, 02:07 PM
It's not logical that you say Smith sucks but that he has value if he can play three positions.

Put another way you just said 3 x 0 = value

Sure, it's Pioli logic. Not the best or talented 53, but the right 53.

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 02:15 PM
Sure, it's Pioli logic. Not the best or talented 53, but the right 53.

"Pioli Logic" certainly includes the fact that the guy doesn't fucking suck!

wasi
08-26-2009, 02:23 PM
"Pioli Logic" certainly includes the fact that the guy doesn't ****ing suck!

what it means in my scenario is that Pioli can deal with suck at the bottom of one position group if it means the overall suckage of the roster is reduced.

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 02:25 PM
what it means in my scenario is that Pioli can deal with suck at the bottom of one position group if it means the overall suckage of the roster is reduced.

Dude, give it up.

Wade Smith couldn't hold my fucking jockstrap.

If he makes this team, I'll predict 1-15 because that would mean that the Chiefs would have the worst offense line in the NFL, bar none.

By a WIDE margin.

wasi
08-26-2009, 02:37 PM
Dude, give it up.

Wade Smith couldn't hold my ****ing jockstrap.

If he makes this team, I'll predict 1-15 because that would mean that the Chiefs would have the worst offense line in the NFL, bar none.

By a WIDE margin.

Fine, it's really not worth going on about Smith. IMO, he's got value if the Chiefs only keep 8 linemen on the 53 man roster, which was the whole point of my post. Would I like to see someone else there, sure I would. I just get the feeling from reading the reports from camp that come september there will be more wideouts and linebackers making the active roster. If I have to see Smith run out the tunnel on Sundays because a potential playmaker like quintin lawrence can be active on gameday I'll be ok with that this season.

DaneMcCloud
08-26-2009, 03:10 PM
Fine, it's really not worth going on about Smith. IMO, he's got value if the Chiefs only keep 8 linemen on the 53 man roster, which was the whole point of my post.

Your point would be valid if Smith was actually average at either guard or center.

He's not. He sucks ass at both.

Therefore, his value is zero.

ChiefaRoo
08-26-2009, 04:08 PM
"Pioli Logic" certainly includes the fact that the guy doesn't ****ing suck!

yep

milkman
08-26-2009, 04:12 PM
"Pioli Logic" certainly includes the fact that the guy doesn't ****ing suck!

Can we just shorten that to "Piologic"?

Count Zarth
08-27-2009, 10:42 AM
I'm looking at some video now.

Harris got Brodie Croyle killed.

Otherwise, positive stuff. His pass protection looks very good.

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 11:17 AM
I'm looking at some video now.

Harris got Brodie Croyle killed.

Otherwise, positive stuff. His pass protection looks very good.

I mentioned that it was his one bad play of the night. I did result in a 15 yard gain due to helmet to helmet contact.

He didn't miss a block the rest of the night.

Count Zarth
08-27-2009, 11:20 AM
I mentioned that it was his one bad play of the night. I did result in a 15 yard gain due to helmet to helmet contact.

He didn't miss a block the rest of the night.

He looks good pulling to me. Reminds me a little of Shields with his body type and movement.

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 11:22 AM
He looks good pulling to me. Reminds me a little of Shields with his body type and movement.

He looks to be a very good blocker downfield as well. The problem has been that none of the screens or outside plays materialized.