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jAZ
08-26-2009, 11:22 AM
http://www.examiner.com/x-10853-Portland-Humanist-Examiner~y2009m8d24-Christian-hate-Pastor-Steven-Anderson-prays-for-Obamas-death

Christian hate Pastor Steven Anderson prays for Obama's death
August 24, 1:30 PM
Micha J. Stone

Christian hate Pastor Steven Anderson is praying for President Barack Obama's death. Anderson, yet another hate spewing homophobic Christian, is Pastor of the Faithful World Baptist Church, in Tempe, Arizona.

...
"I'm not gonna pray for (Obama's) good. I'm going to pray that he dies and goes to hell. When I go to bed tonight, that's what I'm going to pray. And you say, 'Are you just saying that?' No. When I go to bed tonight, Steven L. Anderson is going to pray for Barack Obama to die and go to hell."

As it turns out Anderson is this guy's pastor:

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And based on this video, it adds an entirely new dimension to the videos in this thread:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=207638

It would seem that Anderson's church believes that the immigration security check points that exist on Arizona highways north of the border (designed to catch or deter illegal immigration) are actaully put in place to

"get us used to stopping through out our daily lives and answering questions of federal agents".

My guess is that Anderson preaches that and that is why he refused to cooperate with immigration and the police.

Paranoid freaks following the President with guns praying for his death.

Scary stuff.

KC Dan
08-26-2009, 11:23 AM
But, but, but, according to MSleaseBC he is a white racist? Is this one photoshopped?

jAZ
08-26-2009, 11:26 AM
But, but, but, according to MSleaseBC he is a white racist? Is this one photoshopped?

Link?

Inspector
08-26-2009, 11:33 AM
Wow...he must be a nut or something

(No disrespect to the nuts on this forum)

blaise
08-26-2009, 11:37 AM
The members of his church must be a bunch of kooks, and if they sit through that garbage and listen to that, then they're implicitly endorsing it.

- Reverend Wright

KC Dan
08-26-2009, 11:39 AM
Link?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI

Donger
08-26-2009, 11:40 AM
What's creepy is that I'll bet that jAZ is salivating over a potential attempt on Obama's life. I most sincerely hope that never happens, but it obviously wouldn't be the first time some wacko has tried.

Anyway, this "pastor" has obviously got a few screws loose.

Donger
08-26-2009, 11:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI

Heh. I wonder why the didn't show his face?

Dallas Chief
08-26-2009, 11:46 AM
The members of his church must be a bunch of kooks, and if they sit through that garbage and listen to that, then they're implicitly endorsing it.

- Reverend Wright

Great point. Can't have it both ways. Nonetheless what kind of pastor says this stuff to his congregation? A complete nutjob I would say, Rev. Wright included.

Brock
08-26-2009, 11:47 AM
Wow, that's nearly as bad as "God Damn America".

jAZ
08-26-2009, 11:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI

Ahhh... bad editing, probably deliberately so. Bad MSNBC. Entirely unncecessary too.

But be (more) honest (than MSNBC) here:

1) They were discussing the big picture, not that one guy.

2) The youtube video you provided was itself healvily edited to give the impression that MSNBC was calling the guy a white racist when they never did.

And most importantly...

3) The racist threat to Obama is undeniable. That one black nutjob shows up at a rally with a gun possibly himself praying for Obama's death... and doing it because he sees federal border agents as part of a grand mind control experiment... doesn't in any eliminate the racism out there and the threat that it poses to a black president.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 11:54 AM
Wow, that's nearly as bad as "God Damn America".

...If "God Damn America" sent his followers out to "pray" for Bush's death up close with guns.

Brock
08-26-2009, 11:56 AM
...If "God Damn America" sent his followers out to "pray" for Bush's death up close with guns.

Well, actually "God Damn America" is a much worse concept, with or without guns.

Pioli Zombie
08-26-2009, 11:58 AM
I certainly hope the Secret Service takes this guy in. Its not a first amendment "right" to basically tell your flock Obama should die.
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jAZ
08-26-2009, 11:59 AM
Well, actually "God Damn America" is a much worse concept, with or without guns.

Only one of those has real consequences.

Brock
08-26-2009, 12:00 PM
Only one of those has real consequences.

Praying for the president to die, and cursing America have exactly the same consequences.

Inspector
08-26-2009, 12:01 PM
Ahhh... bad editing, probably deliberately so. Bad MSNBC. Entirely unncecessary too.

But be (more) honest (than MSNBC) here:

1) They were discussing the big picture, not that one guy.

2) The youtube video you provided was itself healvily edited to give the impression that MSNBC was calling the guy a white racist when they never did.

And most importantly...

3) The racist threat to Obama is undeniable. That one black nutjob shows up at a rally with a gun possibly himself praying for Obama's death... and doing it because he sees federal border agents as part of a grand mind control experiment... doesn't in any eliminate the racism out there and the threat that it poses to a black president.


He's white. I mean, just as much as anything else. Right?

(I might have misunderstood that...not sure...)

Mr. Kotter
08-26-2009, 12:03 PM
My, oh my. Reminds me, a wee bit, of a pastor Wright I recall hearing about...at some point. :hmmm:

;)

jAZ
08-26-2009, 12:03 PM
Well, actually "God Damn America" is a much worse concept, with or without guns.

And it's also a ridiculously widespread belief (almost comically so to someone like me and probably you too) that each narrow denomination of one Christian faith or another all think that their path is the only way to Heaven and all the rest of America is damned to hell.

So in that believer sense, his words were incredibly typical.

Brock
08-26-2009, 12:04 PM
My, oh my. Reminds me, a wee bit, of a pastor Wright I recall hearing about...at some point. :hmmm:

;)

Except in the mind of jAZ, where nothing Wright said could have been construed or misconstrued as a call to action.

Donger
08-26-2009, 12:05 PM
I certainly hope the Secret Service takes this guy in. Its not a first amendment "right" to basically tell your flock Obama should die.
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Honestly, I don't believe that praying for POTUS' death equates to threatening his life.

Mr. Kotter
08-26-2009, 12:05 PM
Except in the mind of jAZ, where nothing Wright said could have been construed or misconstrued as a call to action.

Gosh....I'm shocked. Guess I shoulda read the thread, heh.

LMAO

ROYC75
08-26-2009, 12:07 PM
The members of his church must be a bunch of kooks, and if they sit through that garbage and listen to that, then they're implicitly endorsing it.

- Reverend WrightROFL

Hey, there are nuts everywhere, we have them in Capital Hill and the White House.

blaise
08-26-2009, 12:07 PM
And it's also a ridiculously widespread belief (almost comically so to someone like me and probably you too) that each narrow denomination of one Christian faith or another all think that their path is the only way to Heaven and all the rest of America is damned to hell.

So in that believer sense, his words were incredibly typical.

Oh, that's how he meant it, out of concern for people he thought might actually go to hell.
I never knew that. He was just looking out for people. What a guy.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 12:08 PM
Except in the mind of jAZ, where nothing Wright said could have been construed or misconstrued as a call to action.

Maybe I missed it. I certainly missed his flock bringing guns to Bush events.

I'd certainly have been far more outraged at such actions than any con has been about these actions. Tha's for damn sure.

Donger
08-26-2009, 12:09 PM
Maybe I missed it. I certainly missed his flock bringing guns to Bush events.

I'd certainly have been far more outraged at such actions than any con has been about these actions. Tha's for damn sure.

The rifle was not loaded, was it?

jAZ
08-26-2009, 12:10 PM
Oh, that's how he meant it, out of concern for people he thought might actually go to hell.
I never knew that. He was just looking out for people. What a guy.

He was doing all religions do. Calling out those who's actions don't meet his defenition of getting into heaven.

It's hardly unique for a fundamentalist Christian to despise American policy. It's just that the right praises those Christians when they are damning American for abortion policy and damning those Christians when they are damning America for it's war policy.

blaise
08-26-2009, 12:10 PM
And it's also a ridiculously widespread belief (almost comically so to someone like me and probably you too) that each narrow denomination of one Christian faith or another all think that their path is the only way to Heaven and all the rest of America is damned to hell.

So in that believer sense, his words were incredibly typical.

I don't agree that most Christians believe that people that go to different demoninational church are going to hell. I've had to move all over the United States, I've been to a variety of churches. I usually go to six or seven in each new city, of different denominations, until I find a right fit. I've never once heard anyone say that people who go to other churches are going to hell. Catholics maybe, who else? It's definitely not "ridiculously widespread".

Mr. Kotter
08-26-2009, 12:11 PM
Maybe I missed it. I certainly missed his flock bringing guns to Bush events.

I'd certainly have been far more outraged at such actions than any con has been about these actions. Tha's for damn sure.

Sure we are outraged; but the world is FULL of loony birds. You are living proof.

You ain't the President's former pastor/mentor/associate, though; chalk one up for Obama! :thumb:

wild1
08-26-2009, 12:11 PM
What's creepy is that I'll bet that jAZ is salivating over a potential attempt on Obama's life. .

It certainly sounds like that. It might be the only way that socialist medicine gets through Congress, so maybe that's why

jAZ
08-26-2009, 12:12 PM
The rifle was not loaded, was it?

I have no idea, but according to the guy in NH, no one brings an unloaded gun anywhere and according to most gun owners, you don't bring a gun with you that you aren't prepared to use.

Brock
08-26-2009, 12:12 PM
Maybe I missed it. I certainly missed his flock bringing guns to Bush events.

I'd certainly have been far more outraged at such actions than any con has been about these actions. Tha's for damn sure.

All you have to do is post some kind of evidence that this "reverend" told people to do that, and you win.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 12:12 PM
Sure we are outraged;
Yeah, we've seen <s>endless excuses</s> that outrage pouring out in post after post here.

wild1
08-26-2009, 12:12 PM
Honestly, I don't believe that praying for POTUS' death equates to threatening his life.

No more than looking at a woman on the street with lust equates to making some kind of physical advance does

jAZ
08-26-2009, 12:15 PM
All you have to do is post some kind of evidence that this "reverend" told people to do that, and you win.

I guess you realized that Wright never had his flock show up with a gun at a Bush event. Kudos for thinking that one through.

petegz28
08-26-2009, 12:16 PM
Link?

There was a thread about it and MSNBC cleary never showed the gun carrying person was a black guy. Do your own search.

Brock
08-26-2009, 12:16 PM
I guess you realized that Wright never had his flock show up with a gun at a Bush event. Kudos for thinking that one through.

I don't know if they ever did or not. I do know Wright would have been pretty jubilant about something bad happening to America, since he cursed it. I see you're having a tough time understanding the equivalence of words.

petegz28
08-26-2009, 12:16 PM
I guess you realized that Wright never had his flock show up with a gun at a Bush event. Kudos for thinking that one through.

That you know of

blaise
08-26-2009, 12:17 PM
Yeah, we've seen <s>endless excuses</s> that outrage pouring out in post after post here.

Okay- this pastor is a total jerkoff idiot, and if you're a member of his flock you must be a freaking nutjob whacko. There you go.

I'll anxiously await your condemnation of Obama attending Reverend Wright's church.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 12:17 PM
I don't know if they ever did or not. I do know Wright would have been pretty jubilant about something bad happening to America, since he cursed it. I see you're having a tough time understanding the equivalence of words.
That you know of
All you have to do is post some kind of evidence that this "reverend" told people to do that, and you win.

Brock
08-26-2009, 12:18 PM
Yeah, we've seen <s>endless excuses</s> that outrage pouring out in post after post here.

Yes, I see all these endless excuses you speak of. Good grief, you're a freaking moron.

Brock
08-26-2009, 12:18 PM
All you have to do is post some kind of evidence that this "reverend" told people to do that, and you win.

You first.

Radar Chief
08-26-2009, 12:19 PM
You first.

Good luck with that. :thumb:

bluehawkdoc
08-26-2009, 12:20 PM
My, oh my. Reminds me, a wee bit, of a pastor Wright I recall hearing about...at some point.



Now, now, Mr. Kotter. Let's not get "all wee-weed up" about this.:)

stevieray
08-26-2009, 12:22 PM
"America's chickens are coming home to roost"

ROYC75
08-26-2009, 12:33 PM
My seven year old grand daughter was by my side last night, she said, Poppa, Look, my name ( Jazzy ) jAZ. I said no, you are smarter than that guy. She said, he's a Liberal !:eek:

I couldn't help but start laughing.ROFL

Pioli Zombie
08-26-2009, 01:24 PM
Honestly, I don't believe that praying for POTUS' death equates to threatening his life.

So you would have had no problem if some Pastor got up in 1984 and said he was praying for Ronald Reagans death
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Donger
08-26-2009, 01:25 PM
So you would have had no problem if some Pastor got up in 1984 and said he was praying for Ronald Reagans death
Posted via Mobile Device

Did I say that I had no problem with it?

wild1
08-26-2009, 01:25 PM
So you would have had no problem if some Pastor got up in 1984 and said he was praying for Ronald Reagans death
Posted via Mobile Device

I don't care to regulate what people pray for.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 01:53 PM
Yes, I see all these endless excuses you speak of. Good grief, you're a freaking moron.
Ahem...
All you have to do is post some kind of evidence that this "reverend" told people to do that, and you win.

Duck Dog
08-26-2009, 01:53 PM
My, oh my. Reminds me, a wee bit, of a pastor Wright I recall hearing about...at some point. :hmmm:

;)

No, no, no. This much different. Completely different./jiz

Duck Dog
08-26-2009, 01:56 PM
I guess you realized that Wright never had his flock show up with a gun at a Bush event. Kudos for thinking that one through.

How fucking stupid, hard headed and moronic are you? You should have someone close to you read your shit before you're allowed to post.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 01:56 PM
You first.

What's awesome is that you are trying to equate something that never happened (Wright praying for Bush's death and his followers bringing guns to Bush event) with something that did happen (Anderson praying for Obama's death and his follower bringing a gun to an Obama event).

Duck Dog
08-26-2009, 01:58 PM
What's awesome is that you are trying to equate something that never happened (Wright praying for Bush's death and his followers bringing guns to Bush event) with something that did happen (Anderson praying for Obama's death and his follower bringing a gun to an Obama event).

What's funny or sad, is you being too stupid to see this for what it is.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 01:58 PM
No, no, no. This much different. Completely different./jiz

Yes, I'd saying praying for the death of the POTUS and having your gun toating follower admit that he believes his pastor was a victirm of a government mind control experiment... is a little different than spewing common Christian rhetoric in objection to a war.

Brock
08-26-2009, 02:00 PM
What's awesome is that you are trying to equate something that never happened (Wright praying for Bush's death and his followers bringing guns to Bush event) with something that did happen (Anderson praying for Obama's death and his follower bringing a gun to an Obama event).

The guy showing up with a gun had nothing to do with anything his pastor said, unless you can prove otherwise.

vailpass
08-26-2009, 02:02 PM
I love when people freak out about gun-carrying citizens in Phoenix. It is 100% legal to carry unconcealed without a permit here.
On the other hand, it is ILLEGAL to drink a pitcher of beer in a bar by yourself. Yep. If you order a pitcher there has to be at least 2 people drinking from it. Now, you can order 10 shots of Jack Daniels, line them up on the bar and knock 'em back all by yourself.
Cuz whiskey is for cowboys.
Arizona has issues.

Duck Dog
08-26-2009, 02:02 PM
Yes, I'd saying praying for the death of the POTUS and having your gun toating follower admit that he believes his pastor was a victirm of a government mind control experiment... is a little different than spewing common Christian rhetoric in objection to a war.

Common Christian rhetoric? ROFL This is why you are alone 95% on any 'common DC subject'.

vailpass
08-26-2009, 02:03 PM
Yes, I'd saying praying for the death of the POTUS and having your gun toating follower admit that he believes his pastor was a victirm of a government mind control experiment... is a little different than spewing common Christian rhetoric in objection to a war.

WTF Jaz?

edit: OOPS, Duck beat me to it. Didn't mean to pile on you Jaz just thought that was a messed up statement.

Duck Dog
08-26-2009, 02:04 PM
The guy showing up with a gun had nothing to do with anything his pastor said, unless you can prove otherwise.

Why even bother with this jackass?

Brock
08-26-2009, 02:04 PM
Yes, I'd saying praying for the death of the POTUS and having your gun toating follower admit that he believes his pastor was a victirm of a government mind control experiment... is a little different than spewing common Christian rhetoric in objection to a war.

"God Damn America" isn't common Christian rhetoric, unless you consider Fred Phelps to be a common Christian, in which case you're stupid.

Brock
08-26-2009, 02:05 PM
Why even bother with this jackass?

I enjoy bending his neck and forcing him to look at how biased and stupid his arguments are.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 02:05 PM
What's funny or sad, is you being too stupid to see this for what it is.

Two pastors who hold distrubingly fringe views and one of them has at least one follower who brings guns to an event with the POTUS, who's government attacked his pastor.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 02:07 PM
"God Damn America" isn't common Christian rhetoric, unless you consider Fred Phelps to be a common Christian, in which case you're stupid.

Seeing American as a land of hell-bound sinners... is indeed a common Christian view. Though you are right, they don't often use that phrasing directly.

Duck Dog
08-26-2009, 02:08 PM
I enjoy bending his neck and forcing him to look at how biased and stupid his arguments are.

Well, you're doing a good job.

Brock
08-26-2009, 02:09 PM
Seeing American as a land of hell-bound sinners... is indeed a common Christian view. Though you are right, they don't often use that phrasing directly.

Your viewpoint on Christianity is paranoid, fringe loon stuff.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 02:09 PM
WTF Jaz?

edit: OOPS, Duck beat me to it. Didn't mean to pile on you Jaz just thought that was a messed up statement.

It would be more accurate to say that he "expressed a commonly held Christian view (only based his remark not on sinners, abortion, gays or other Republican related causes... but war)."

Donger
08-26-2009, 02:15 PM
I have no idea, but according to the guy in NH, no one brings an unloaded gun anywhere and according to most gun owners, you don't bring a gun with you that you aren't prepared to use.

Well then, it seems you are getting all excited about something that perhaps you shouldn't be. Surely you don't view an unloaded rifle as a threat, right?

jAZ
08-26-2009, 02:16 PM
Your viewpoint on Christianity is paranoid, fringe loon stuff.
What viewpoint? That Christians see like minded Christian American as saved, but the rest of the country as damned to hell? That's fringe, I tell ya.

And that America is a land of sin becuse of our permissive laws on sex, abortion and restrictive laws on prayer in schools?

Yeah, fringe.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 02:16 PM
Well then, it seems you are getting all excited about something that perhaps you shouldn't be. Surely you don't view an unloaded rifle as a threat, right?

You seem to be assuming something you shouldn't be.

Donger
08-26-2009, 02:16 PM
You seem to be assuming something you shouldn't be.

What's that?

jAZ
08-26-2009, 02:17 PM
Surely you don't view an unloaded rifle as a threat, right?

When an unloaded rifle can be loaded, it's a threat.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 02:19 PM
What's that?

That an unloaded rifle means can't be loaded and used to kill someone. Or that a paranoid person with an unloaded weapon is no threat at all.

Donger
08-26-2009, 02:19 PM
When an unloaded rifle can be loaded, it's a threat.

A threat to what?

stevieray
08-26-2009, 02:24 PM
Your viewpoint on Christianity is paranoid, fringe loon stuff.

you're talking about a guy who thinks his own son was a biological leech.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 02:25 PM
A threat to what?

A threat to be fired.

Brock
08-26-2009, 02:27 PM
What viewpoint? That Christians see like minded Christian American as saved, but the rest of the country as damned to hell? That's fringe, I tell ya.

And that America is a land of sin becuse of our permissive laws on sex, abortion and restrictive laws on prayer in schools?

Yeah, fringe.

Christians don't view America as anything but a part of the world, and the entire world is full of sin. To say that a common Christian sentiment is "God Damn America" is bigoted and stupid. Which, considering the source, doesn't surprise anyone.

Donger
08-26-2009, 02:28 PM
A threat to be fired.

You assume that the man holding that weapon intended to fire the weapon. He obviously didn't. And, he wasn't breaking any law.

So, I fail to see your point.

Maybe you'll get your wish next time. I sure hope not, however.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 02:37 PM
Christians don't view America as anything but a part of the world, and the entire world is full of sin. To say that a common Christian sentiment is "God Damn America" is bigoted and stupid. Which, considering the source, doesn't surprise anyone.

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/391226440.html

Attack on Wright for 'God Damn America' is Insightful
Contact: Gary McCullough, Christian Newswire, 202-546-0054


OPINION, April 29 /Christian Newswire/ -- Gary McCullough submits the following for publication and is available for comment:


When I first heard Rev. Jeremiah Wright's "God damn America" quote I was concerned by the media's use of it, but as a McCain supporter I felt little obligation to say anything. Here we are weeks later and this morning on a nationally syndicated radio talk show the host referred to this quote as the "top of his list" as he snickered and played the quote.


Before I continue with my criticism, you should know that I will be working against the election of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. I sided with Obama's last political opponent, Alan Keyes, whom I consider a friend and a client. And I will most assuredly support Obama's next opponent, whomever that may be.


Furthermore, I do not know Rev. Wright. I do not know his opinions on Israel, race relations or the origination of the HIV. As is with the vast majority of our nation, my opinion of Rev. Wright has been formed by snippets of his sermons replayed ad nauseam on talk radio and cable news.


As a strident anti-abortion activist, I have listened to countless sermons that have included the speakers commenting on God's judgment of America for the destruction of innocent life. So when I first heard Wright's "most popular" quote, "God bless America ... No! ... God damn America ... for killing innocent people ... for treating her citizens as less than human," I said to myself, "Obama's pastor sounds like he is pro-life."


Monday at the National Press Club Rev. Wright pointed out an indispensable foundation for the attacks he is receiving -- the misunderstanding of the style of prayer and preaching used in black churches today.


Can I hear an Amen?


I have been the only "white guy" in church several times, in America and overseas. What best describes my experiences may be summed up by something told to me by a wise Irishman; that we are a people divided by a common language. The troubles comes when we, whether Irish to American, Catholic to Protestant, or black parishioner to white, hear or say something and assume it is clearly understood because of our common language.


The phrase used most often to pigeon hole Rev. Wright would receive several hearty Amens in most churches across America if only the word "damn" was replaced by "judge." "God bless America ... No! ... God judge America ... for killing innocent people ... for treating her citizens as less than human."


For twenty-years, it has been my job to present ministers and pro-life leaders to the media. More than most, I have seen, first-hand, the abuse of a quote by the media for ratings or agenda. Many print articles and broadcast segments have been built entirely upon taking a single quote, and assigned a sensational meaning to it.


I probably would walk out in the middle of a Jeremiah Wright sermon, based on what I have seen in the media. But I have been a hypocrite to not defend Wright after my two decades of berating reporters for similar attacks upon my clients and friends.


What was true in the defense of my friends is true in regard to Rev. Wright; the deliberate misuse of a quote is a signal, a tripwire if you will, that the truth behind the man's message is most likely too difficult to face.


In the case of abortion, the possibility that innocent babies being put to death is far too disturbing to face -- so the media focuses on faults with the messenger or flaws in the structure of the message.


My repeated experiences with the media leads me to now ask what is that truth behind Rev. Wright's message which is far too disturbing to face.


-----------------------------


Gary McCullough is the director of the nation's leading religious newswire, Christian Newswire, www.ChristianNewswire.com. His bio and photo is available online at www.GaryMcCullough.com

jAZ
08-26-2009, 02:42 PM
You assume that the man holding that weapon intended to fire the weapon. He obviously didn't. And, he wasn't breaking any law.

So, I fail to see your point.
No, I believe that the tone of the debate and the increasingly violent statements and gestures are dangerous and unwarranted.

Maybe you'll get your wish next time. I sure hope not, however.
You'll do anything to win, won't you.

Donger
08-26-2009, 02:44 PM
No, I believe that the tone of the debate and the increasingly violent statements and gestures are dangerous and unwarranted.

Well, it's a good thing that the law is on his side, and not yours.

You'll do anything to win, won't you.

Just a hunch. You seem to have a creepy fascination about it.

blaise
08-26-2009, 02:48 PM
Yes, I'd saying praying for the death of the POTUS and having your gun toating follower admit that he believes his pastor was a victirm of a government mind control experiment... is a little different than spewing common Christian rhetoric in objection to a war.

And I'd say some nobody pastor preaching hate to a bunch of yahoos is a little different than the future President of the United States sitting and listening to a mentor of his preaching hate.
You're a one sided jackass.

Reaper16
08-26-2009, 02:52 PM
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/391226440.html
Attack on Wright for 'God Damn America' is Insightful
Contact: Gary McCullough, Christian Newswire, 202-546-0054


OPINION, April 29 /Christian Newswire/ -- Gary McCullough submits the following for publication and is available for comment:


When I first heard Rev. Jeremiah Wright's "God damn America" quote I was concerned by the media's use of it, but as a McCain supporter I felt little obligation to say anything. Here we are weeks later and this morning on a nationally syndicated radio talk show the host referred to this quote as the "top of his list" as he snickered and played the quote.


Before I continue with my criticism, you should know that I will be working against the election of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. I sided with Obama's last political opponent, Alan Keyes, whom I consider a friend and a client. And I will most assuredly support Obama's next opponent, whomever that may be.


Furthermore, I do not know Rev. Wright. I do not know his opinions on Israel, race relations or the origination of the HIV. As is with the vast majority of our nation, my opinion of Rev. Wright has been formed by snippets of his sermons replayed ad nauseam on talk radio and cable news.


As a strident anti-abortion activist, I have listened to countless sermons that have included the speakers commenting on God's judgment of America for the destruction of innocent life. So when I first heard Wright's "most popular" quote, "God bless America ... No! ... God damn America ... for killing innocent people ... for treating her citizens as less than human," I said to myself, "Obama's pastor sounds like he is pro-life."


Monday at the National Press Club Rev. Wright pointed out an indispensable foundation for the attacks he is receiving -- the misunderstanding of the style of prayer and preaching used in black churches today.


Can I hear an Amen?


I have been the only "white guy" in church several times, in America and overseas. What best describes my experiences may be summed up by something told to me by a wise Irishman; that we are a people divided by a common language. The troubles comes when we, whether Irish to American, Catholic to Protestant, or black parishioner to white, hear or say something and assume it is clearly understood because of our common language.


The phrase used most often to pigeon hole Rev. Wright would receive several hearty Amens in most churches across America if only the word "damn" was replaced by "judge." "God bless America ... No! ... God judge America ... for killing innocent people ... for treating her citizens as less than human."


For twenty-years, it has been my job to present ministers and pro-life leaders to the media. More than most, I have seen, first-hand, the abuse of a quote by the media for ratings or agenda. Many print articles and broadcast segments have been built entirely upon taking a single quote, and assigned a sensational meaning to it.


I probably would walk out in the middle of a Jeremiah Wright sermon, based on what I have seen in the media. But I have been a hypocrite to not defend Wright after my two decades of berating reporters for similar attacks upon my clients and friends.


What was true in the defense of my friends is true in regard to Rev. Wright; the deliberate misuse of a quote is a signal, a tripwire if you will, that the truth behind the man's message is most likely too difficult to face.


In the case of abortion, the possibility that innocent babies being put to death is far too disturbing to face -- so the media focuses on faults with the messenger or flaws in the structure of the message.


My repeated experiences with the media leads me to now ask what is that truth behind Rev. Wright's message which is far too disturbing to face.


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Gary McCullough is the director of the nation's leading religious newswire, Christian Newswire, www.ChristianNewswire.com (http://www.ChristianNewswire.com). His bio and photo is available online at www.GaryMcCullough.com (http://www.GaryMcCullough.com)
The author brings up a good point. If Wright is guilty of "preaching hate" then so are the majority of Christian ministers.

mlyonsd
08-26-2009, 02:55 PM
Big whoop.

Obama can step down if he's scared. What does he want, a cookie?

Jilly
08-26-2009, 02:58 PM
The authority a pastor has is a very powerful thing. We are in a position to sway people one way or another. While it has changed over the last 15 years or so, pastors, by virtue of office are given immediate respect and freedom to be a powerful voice. In a community of just 100 people, we have accomplished hundreds of things for a greater good. That's the nature of church, or should be. To be Christ's hands and feet in the world.
But the yang of that is we could have accomplished hundreds of things for the bad, quite possibly, if it was something I felt God was calling us to do, assassinate any human being, including the president. Using the mental manipulation of prayer, out of the however many people who worship with Pastor Anderson there is bound to be two or three who felt that through their prayers they were being called to fulfill God's mission in assassinating the president. What people hear from God and what people are manipulated into thinking they are hearing from God is a very VERY close line and it is up to pastors to safeguard that line and hold people accountable. Churches are just as subjective to a mob mentality as ANY institution and with a corrupted leader who manipulates the Gospel to fit his agenda, well, that's a possibly powerful and hurtful situation.
There is "rarely" a "nobody" pastor by virtue of the office the sphere of influence is much greater.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 02:59 PM
Well, it's a good thing that the law is on his side, and not yours.



Just a hunch. You seem to have a creepy fascination about it.
It's a pathetic reflection on the conservatives around here that I have to spend any energy debating the very real and heightened threat that Obama faces as a black president leading a nation that has a fringe element that is a mix of racism and right wing paranoia.

That these sorts of people are showing up toating guns at Presidential events is troubling.

That Repubilcans refuse to admit that it's troubling for fear of losing momentum in a political debate is equally troubling.

You should seek professional help if you really think that my debating Cons who dismiss and excuse the threats... is in anyway my hoping for his death.

I'm sure the reality is that you don't believe it. You are just willing to do or say anything to to "win" in these debates. And insulting me is a "win" in your book anyday.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 03:01 PM
Big whoop.

Obama can step down if he's scared. What does he want, a cookie?

I'd like Republicans and Conservatives to have the decency to police their own instead of exploiting the energy of the fringe nutjobs to their political benefit, even if it puts at increased risk the life of the POTUS.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 03:01 PM
The author brings up a good point. If Wright is guilty of "preaching hate" then so are the majority of Christian ministers.

No, I'm fringe. Keep it stright.

Brock
08-26-2009, 03:03 PM
No, I'm fringe. Keep it stright.

Congrats on finding another ignorant, biased bigot to agree with you.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 03:04 PM
The authority a pastor has is a very powerful thing. We are in a position to sway people one way or another. While it has changed over the last 15 years or so, pastors, by virtue of office are given immediate respect and freedom to be a powerful voice. In a community of just 100 people, we have accomplished hundreds of things for a greater good. That's the nature of church, or should be. To be Christ's hands and feet in the world.
But the yang of that is we could have accomplished hundreds of things for the bad, quite possibly, if it was something I felt God was calling us to do, assassinate any human being, including the president. Using the mental manipulation of prayer, out of the however many people who worship with Pastor Anderson there is bound to be two or three who felt that through their prayers they were being called to fulfill God's mission in assassinating the president. What people hear from God and what people are manipulated into thinking they are hearing from God is a very VERY close line and it is up to pastors to safeguard that line and hold people accountable. Churches are just as subjective to a mob mentality as ANY institution and with a corrupted leader who manipulates the Gospel to fit his agenda, well, that's a possibly powerful and hurtful situation.
There is "rarely" a "nobody" pastor by virtue of the office the sphere of influence is much greater.

Thank you for adding a thoughtful post to this thread.

Donger
08-26-2009, 03:04 PM
It's a pathetic reflection on the conservatives around here that I have to spend any energy debating the very real and heightened threat that Obama faces as a black president leading a nation that has a fringe element that is a mix of racism and right wing paranoia.

That these sorts of people are showing up toating guns at Presidential events is troubling.

That Repubilcans refuse to admit that it's troubling for fear of losing momentum in a political debate is equally troubling.

You should seek professional help if you really think that my debating Cons who dismiss and excuse the threats... is in anyway my hoping for his death.

I'm sure the reality is that you don't believe it. You are just willing to do or say anything to to "win" in these debates. And insulting me is a "win" in your book anyday.

Errr, the guy is question (carrying the AR-15) is Black. A conservative, sure, but he's Black. So let's not group him in with the default racism charge, k?

And, I don't doubt that some racists would like to see Obama dead. Just as I don't doubt that there's some loony out there that wants him dead because he thinks Obama is covering up the secrets of Area 51. Crazy is no the sole realm of the right wing, jAZ.

But, you know this. You are just hoping that something happens so you can point your finger and say, "See! I told you! Right wing bad!"

Here's a little history lesson for you: assassination attempts are not new. We've had them before, and we'll have them in the future, Obama or his successors. Personally, I hope the USSS does its job and keeps Obama safe. I can only presume you hope the same.

Donger
08-26-2009, 03:06 PM
I'd like Republicans and Conservatives to have the decency to police their own instead of exploiting the energy of the fringe nutjobs to their political benefit, even if it puts at increased risk the life of the POTUS.

wow.

Again, this man was simply exercising his rights. He committed no crime. If that is how you define "fringe," good luck.

He did not threaten anything.

Brock
08-26-2009, 03:08 PM
wow.

Again, this man was simply exercising his rights. He committed no crime. If that is how you define "fringe," good luck.

He did not threaten anything.

But but his "follower" is a spooky man with a gun. Those horrible scarey CHRISTIANS! :eek:

blaise
08-26-2009, 03:09 PM
It's a pathetic reflection on the conservatives around here that I have to spend any energy debating the very real and heightened threat that Obama faces as a black president leading a nation that has a fringe element that is a mix of racism and right wing paranoia.

That these sorts of people are showing up toating guns at Presidential events is troubling.

That Repubilcans refuse to admit that it's troubling for fear of losing momentum in a political debate is equally troubling.

You should seek professional help if you really think that my debating Cons who dismiss and excuse the threats... is in anyway my hoping for his death.

I'm sure the reality is that you don't believe it. You are just willing to do or say anything to to "win" in these debates. And insulting me is a "win" in your book anyday.

Most people aren't arguing with you that these people are crazy- they're arguing with you because you won't acknowledge that Obama's pastor is crazy. I doesn't seem many people are actually defending this pastor. It's more pointing out that you continue to be a schill.

Donger
08-26-2009, 03:10 PM
But but his "follower" is a spooky man with a gun. Those horrible scarey CHRISTIANS! :eek:

I can only imagine that jAZ is just having a visceral reaction to the weapon. Surely he doesn't think that a man exercising his Constitutionally-given right to bear arms in a legal manner is "fringe."

I really hope not, anyway.

Brock
08-26-2009, 03:11 PM
Most people aren't srguing with you that these people are crazy- they're arguing with you because you won't acknowledge that Obama's pastor is crazy. I doesn't seem many people are actually defending this pastor. It's more pointing out that you continue to be a schill.

I didn't think it really needed to be spelled out for him, but looking back on the thread, the guy is so out of touch with reality that everything has to be broken down into easily digestible fragments for him to see the obvious.

blaise
08-26-2009, 03:13 PM
I think Donger's right. jAZ seems excited when he finds these things, which is really, really perverse.

Pioli Zombie
08-26-2009, 03:13 PM
wow.

Again, this man was simply exercising his rights. He committed no crime. If that is how you define "fringe," good luck.

He did not threaten anything.
Bull. Read Jilly's post again. Or better still, go into an airport and scream out "I pray the plane crashes" and see what happens.

There is the law. And there is a security issue. A head of church tells his congregation it is his prayer the President dies. That IS a threat on the President.
Sorry, if you don't see that you are either blinded by your ideology at best or a total asshole at worst.
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Donger
08-26-2009, 03:16 PM
Bull. Read Jilly's post again. Or better still, go into an airport and scream out "I pray the plane crashes" and see what happens.

There is the law. And there is a security issue. A head of church tells his congregation it is his prayer the President dies. That IS a threat on the President.
Sorry, if you don't see that you are either blinded by your ideology at best or a total asshole at worst.
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No, it isn't. Saying, "I'm going to k*ll the POTUS" is a threat. Praying that he dies is not. It's pretty twisted and sick, IMO, but it isn't a threat.

And, just in case the USSS is listening, I want neither.

KC native
08-26-2009, 03:17 PM
The authority a pastor has is a very powerful thing. We are in a position to sway people one way or another. While it has changed over the last 15 years or so, pastors, by virtue of office are given immediate respect and freedom to be a powerful voice. In a community of just 100 people, we have accomplished hundreds of things for a greater good. That's the nature of church, or should be. To be Christ's hands and feet in the world.
But the yang of that is we could have accomplished hundreds of things for the bad, quite possibly, if it was something I felt God was calling us to do, assassinate any human being, including the president. Using the mental manipulation of prayer, out of the however many people who worship with Pastor Anderson there is bound to be two or three who felt that through their prayers they were being called to fulfill God's mission in assassinating the president. What people hear from God and what people are manipulated into thinking they are hearing from God is a very VERY close line and it is up to pastors to safeguard that line and hold people accountable. Churches are just as subjective to a mob mentality as ANY institution and with a corrupted leader who manipulates the Gospel to fit his agenda, well, that's a possibly powerful and hurtful situation.
There is "rarely" a "nobody" pastor by virtue of the office the sphere of influence is much greater.

Hey are those Horned Frog Fans in your avatar? I went to TCU so just curious.

Donger
08-26-2009, 03:17 PM
I think Donger's right. jAZ seems excited when he finds these things, which is really, really perverse.

Never waste a "crisis," even if it's only in your dreams.

Inspector
08-26-2009, 03:18 PM
It's a pathetic reflection on the conservatives around here that I have to spend any energy debating the very real and heightened threat that Obama faces as a black president leading a nation that has a fringe element that is a mix of racism and right wing paranoia.

That these sorts of people are showing up toating guns at Presidential events is troubling.

That Repubilcans refuse to admit that it's troubling for fear of losing momentum in a political debate is equally troubling.

You should seek professional help if you really think that my debating Cons who dismiss and excuse the threats... is in anyway my hoping for his death.

I'm sure the reality is that you don't believe it. You are just willing to do or say anything to to "win" in these debates. And insulting me is a "win" in your book anyday.

Um...you did it again. It's my understanding that he is not black.

Can you stop referring to him like that. It's not accurate.

Not a big deal, but I know how you hate to be inaccurate. :)

Pioli Zombie
08-26-2009, 03:21 PM
No, it isn't. Saying, "I'm going to k*ll the POTUS" is a threat. Praying that he dies is not. It's pretty twisted and sick, IMO, but it isn't a threat.

And, just in case the USSS is listening, I want neither.

Tell that to the FAA when you pray the plane goes down or tell the Secret Service you only prayed the President died.

I only wish I was at that church when that Pastor said that.
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Reaper16
08-26-2009, 03:22 PM
Congrats on finding another ignorant, biased bigot to agree with you.
If anyone is biased here its you; your anger is readily apparent.

I am neither ignorant, biased or bigoted. Perhaps my point was that ministers by-and-large don't "preach hate."

Donger
08-26-2009, 03:23 PM
Tell that to the FAA when you pray the plane goes down or tell the Secret Service you only prayed the President died.

Again, neither is a violation of law.

I only wish I was at that church when that Pastor said that.
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Why? What would you have done?

jAZ
08-26-2009, 03:23 PM
Errr, the guy is question (carrying the AR-15) is Black. A conservative, sure, but he's Black. So let's not group him in with the default racism charge, k?

Stop pretending like I didn't say "mix".

And, I don't doubt that some racists would like to see Obama dead. Just as I don't doubt that there's some loony out there that wants him dead because he thinks Obama is covering up the secrets of Area 51. Crazy is no the sole realm of the right wing, jAZ.

That you'd try to equate the history of racists murdering... with the history of Area 51ers... well, eating potato chips... says EVERYTHING about your own fringe qualities. You'll do anything.
Personally, I hope the USSS does its job and keeps Obama safe. I can only presume you hope the same.

It's absolutely and transparently pathetic that it has taken more than a single post to get the GOP and Con hacks here to acknowledge an increased threat to Obama. In an honest environment, it would likely have been the Cons taking the lead and calling out their own. But in the bizarro world of DC Cons, no one will acknowledge that it's fucking stupid and dangerous to have people with guns at political events in a nation that's supposed to decide issues by votes and idea not by gun threats.

That you are willing to twist your own refusal to acknowledge this threat (and my long standing refusal to let you get away with such BS) as my jones to have Obama assasinated... is yet another disgrace on you.

wild1
08-26-2009, 03:23 PM
And I'd say some nobody pastor preaching hate to a bunch of yahoos is a little different than the future President of the United States sitting and listening to a mentor of his preaching hate.
You're a one sided jackass.

He's not really a pastor in the usual sense, as his website says he has no degree or formal pastoral education.

He's a kook.

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 03:24 PM
I think this preacher is dangerous. It is very possible that someone in his congregation is either a terrorist or is a close associate with terrorists.

Take Jeremiah Wright, for example. I don't know that any members of his congregation were directly motivated to carry out acts of terrorism against the country that was the good Reverend damned, but I know of at least one member of his congregation who formed a strategic alliance with known terrorist William Ayers.

People who are prone to joining extremist congregations may be prone to associating with other, more dangerous organizations.

blaise
08-26-2009, 03:26 PM
Tell that to the FAA when you pray the plane goes down or tell the Secret Service you only prayed the President died.

I only wish I was at that church when that Pastor said that.
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Praying for something isn't a crime. The guy's an idiot, but that's not criminal.

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 03:27 PM
Stop pretending like I didn't say "mix".



That you'd try to equate the history of racists murdering... with the history of Area 51ers... well, eating potato chips... says EVERYTHING about your own fringe qualities. You'll do anything.


It's absolutely and transparently pathetic that it has taken more than a single post to get the GOP and Con hacks here to acknowledge an increased threat to Obama. In an honest environment, it would likely have been the Cons taking the lead and calling out their own. But in the bizarro world of DC Cons, no one will acknowledge that it's ****ing stupid and dangerous to have people with guns at political events in a nation that's supposed to decide issues by votes and idea not by gun threats.

That you are willing to twist your own refusal to acknowledge this threat (and my long standing refusal to let you get away with such BS) as my jones to have Obama assasinated... is yet another disgrace on you.

I'm convinced that you are so married to this argument that you hope that an assassination attempt comes to pass. Perhaps you should do what liberals seem to be so fond of doing lately and dress up in GOP gear and actually fire a couple of rounds in Obama's direction so as to blame conservatives for your misdeed.

Donger
08-26-2009, 03:27 PM
Stop pretending like I didn't say "mix".



That you'd try to equate the history of racists murdering... with the history of Area 51ers... well, eating potato chips... says EVERYTHING about your own fringe qualities. You'll do anything.


It's absolutely and transparently pathetic that it has taken more than a single post to get the GOP and Con hacks here to acknowledge an increased threat to Obama. In an honest environment, it would likely have been the Cons taking the lead and calling out their own. But in the bizarro world of DC Cons, no one will acknowledge that it's ****ing stupid and dangerous to have people with guns at political events in a nation that's supposed to decide issues by votes and idea not by gun threats.

That you are willing to twist your own refusal to acknowledge this threat (and my long standing refusal to let you get away with such BS) as my jones to have Obama assasinated... is yet another disgrace on you.

jAZ, threats in and of themselves are not truly relevant. Threats don't kill. ATTEMPTS do. I truly hope that no attempt on Obama's life is made. I oppose the man and his policies, but I certainly don't want him dead.

Again, this man was NOT threatening anyone or anything. Don't you think he would have been promptly arrested if he was?

He was simply making a point, and exercising his rights in doing so.

If that scares you, fine. Make sure you check under your bed tonight, too. Maybe there's a copy of the Constitution under there. Sounds like you need a refresher.

Jilly
08-26-2009, 03:28 PM
No, it isn't. Saying, "I'm going to k*ll the POTUS" is a threat. Praying that he dies is not. It's pretty twisted and sick, IMO, but it isn't a threat.

And, just in case the USSS is listening, I want neither.

I think the difference is when a Pastor prays it, for most of his/her flock who hear it, then it must mean it will come true because God wills it and perhaps that pastor puts it into someone's head, at some point by praying it, that they are the "chosen" one to fulfill God's will. I could do the same thing in a good way...

for example, in a prayer in front of 150 parishioners a few nights ago, I prayed, "God of all life, reach into our hearts and pull out what is the greatest of us to give to the least of these. That we will be a powerful force of change and good for the people of Haiti." And by the end of the night, we had collected all the funds needed to provide the salary for a Dr. in Haiti. Through the language of prayer, people feel moved and called.

Donger
08-26-2009, 03:29 PM
And, jAZ, I don't think that you want Obama to be assassinated. That would be counter productive to your agenda. Now, a nice juicy attempt that fails? Yeah, I think that you'd welcome that.

Jilly
08-26-2009, 03:29 PM
Hey are those Horned Frog Fans in your avatar? I went to TCU so just curious.

YES! I'm an alum as well! And CAN'T wait for the fb season this year....looks like a good year ahead of us!!

Donger
08-26-2009, 03:29 PM
I think the difference is when a Pastor prays it, for most of his/her flock who hear it, then it must mean it will come true because God wills it and perhaps that pastor puts it into someone's head, at some point by praying it, that they are the "chosen" one to fulfill God's will. I could do the same thing in a good way...

for example, in a prayer in front of 150 parishioners a few nights ago, I prayed, "God of all life, reach into our hearts and pull out what is the greatest of us to give to the least of these. That we will be a powerful force of change and good for the people of Haiti." And by the end of the night, we had collected all the funds needed to provide the salary for a Dr. in Haiti. Through the language of prayer, people feel moved and called.

I doubt this idiot is a pastor.

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 03:33 PM
I think the difference is when a Pastor prays it, for most of his/her flock who hear it, then it must mean it will come true because God wills it and perhaps that pastor puts it into someone's head, at some point by praying it, that they are the "chosen" one to fulfill God's will. I could do the same thing in a good way...

for example, in a prayer in front of 150 parishioners a few nights ago, I prayed, "God of all life, reach into our hearts and pull out what is the greatest of us to give to the least of these. That we will be a powerful force of change and good for the people of Haiti." And by the end of the night, we had collected all the funds needed to provide the salary for a Dr. in Haiti. Through the language of prayer, people feel moved and called.

I'm bemused by the fact that you have so little respect for the members of your congregation. You actually attribute the acts of generosity to them believing that your words are God's will rather than conscious decisions on their parts?

If you had said, ""God of all life, reach into our hearts and pull out what is the greatest of us to give to the least of these. That we will be a powerful force of change and good for the drug dealer down the road" that you would have collected as much money to go purchase some smack?

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 03:34 PM
And, jAZ, I don't think that you want Obama to be assassinated. That would be counter productive to your agenda. Now, a nice juicy attempt that fails? Yeah, I think that you'd welcome that.

Bingo, but only if the assassin-to-be fit the stereotype that jAZ wants.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 03:35 PM
jAZ, threats in and of themselves are not truly relevant.

Holy shit.

I think this is the end of talking to you. Seriously, threats don't matter?

If we were talking about homeland secruity as opposed to Democratic President security, you'd have the exact opposite opinion.

You are a worthless POS.

Chiefshrink
08-26-2009, 03:35 PM
The members of his church must be a bunch of kooks, and if they sit through that garbage and listen to that, then they're implicitly endorsing it.

- Reverend Wright

Pot meet Kettle:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Excellent Blaise!!

Brock
08-26-2009, 03:37 PM
If we were talking about homeland secruity as opposed to Democratic President security, you'd have the exact opposite opinion.

As would you, you fucking hypocrite.

Donger
08-26-2009, 03:37 PM
Holy shit.

I think this is the end of talking to you. Seriously, threats don't matter?

If we were talking about homeland secruity as opposed to Democratic President security, you'd have the exact opposite opinion.

You are a worthless POS.

Did I say they didn't matter? No, I said that threats in and of themselves are not truly relevant.

For example, let's say some wacko says he's going to kill him, but he has no means to do so. Does that threat really matter? Of course not.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 03:38 PM
I'm convinced that you are so married to this argument that you hope that an assassination attempt comes to pass. Perhaps you should do what liberals seem to be so fond of doing lately and dress up in GOP gear and actually fire a couple of rounds in Obama's direction so as to blame conservatives for your misdeed.

Nonsense. A RWNJ murdered George Tiller and it didn't fase the right. There is nothing that "wins this argument" with you people.

You'll say, do or believe anything that keeps your ideology first.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 03:39 PM
As would you, you ****ing hypocrite.

Credible threats matter in both cases. Chatter matters in both cases.

Donger
08-26-2009, 03:41 PM
Nonsense. A RWNJ murdered George Tiller and it didn't fase the right. There is nothing that "wins this argument" with you people.

You'll say, do or believe anything that keeps your ideology first.

Okay, I can only believe that you are being intentionally facetious at this point.

blaise
08-26-2009, 03:42 PM
Nonsense. A RWNJ murdered George Tiller and it didn't fase the right. There is nothing that "wins this argument" with you people.

You'll say, do or believe anything that keeps your ideology first.

Have you seen a mirror lately, jAZ?

Chiefshrink
08-26-2009, 03:42 PM
And, jAZ, I don't think that you want Obama to be assassinated. That would be counter productive to your agenda. Now, a nice juicy attempt that fails? Yeah, I think that you'd welcome that.

You have it on something here that I have been wondering about for these past few weeks Donger. As PeeBO's numbers continue to tank and his own Dem party continues to become more resistant as PeeBO gets closer and closer to his "Waterloo" you wander if something like a failed assassination attempt by his own operatives will be attempted to create the sympathy turnaround among the American public because you "KNOW" America is "STILL" a RACIST country:rolleyes:;taking the public's attention off of PeeBO's INCOMPETENCE:thumb:

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 03:43 PM
Nonsense. A RWNJ murdered George Tiller and it didn't fase the right. There is nothing that "wins this argument" with you people.

You'll say, do or believe anything that keeps your ideology first.

I'll tell you what. When George Tiller dies, I won't fawn over him as much as much as liberals are fawning over Ted Kennedy. They were both murderers. Maybe if Tiller were a Kennedy, he would go scott free and enter the Senate.

Jilly
08-26-2009, 03:44 PM
I'm bemused by the fact that you have so little respect for the members of your congregation. You actually attribute the acts of generosity to them believing that your words are God's will rather than conscious decisions on their parts?

If you had said, ""God of all life, reach into our hearts and pull out what is the greatest of us to give to the least of these. That we will be a powerful force of change and good for the drug dealer down the road" that you would have collected as much money to go purchase some smack?

NO....that's not my point. I was giving an example to the opposite. My congregation gave because they are spiritually mature and the relationship we've built together and the vision is something we've discerned together. My point is that words are powerful and prayer is powerful and the language we use as pastors matters, ESPECIALLY when we pray. We are called to pray at the end of life, in times of healing, in times of birth and commitment, in marriage, in funerals, before meals, and we are called to do it because people hear our words and are reassured. Call an elder or deacon to the hospital to pray, but they STILL want their pastor to pray. And why is that? Because SHE knows what to say and MUST know that God is listening. Prayer holds hope, and hope calls people to action.

Pastor Anderson, as I look at this situation, is manipulating his people through the most POWERFUL thing he has, prayer and that is wrong.

Jilly
08-26-2009, 03:46 PM
I doubt this idiot is a pastor.

Do you know how many pastors are called, "Pastors", who have never had ANY schooling at all or who have gone to a so-called unaccredited school. And these people (idiots) hold the same power I would as someone who went to school for 8 years and has a masters. The power comes from the people who have authorized you and for some denominations, that's simply the congregation and noone else.

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 03:47 PM
NO....that's not my point. I was giving an example to the opposite. My congregation gave because they are spiritually mature and the relationship we've built together and the vision is something we've discerned together. My point is that words are powerful and prayer is powerful and the language we use as pastors matters, ESPECIALLY when we pray. We are called to pray at the end of life, in times of healing, in times of birth and commitment, in marriage, in funerals, before meals, and we are called to do it because people hear our words and are reassured. Call an elder or deacon to the hospital to pray, but they STILL want their pastor to pray. And why is that? Because SHE knows what to say and MUST know that God is listening. Prayer holds hope, and hope calls people to action.

Pastor Anderson, as I look at this situation, is manipulating his people through the most POWERFUL thing he has, prayer and that is wrong.

Then why did you state the following?:

I think the difference is when a Pastor prays it, for most of his/her flock who hear it, then it must mean it will come true because God wills it

You don't think that most people make a decision for themselves as to whether or not the Pastor is acting in accordance with God's word or is just a fruitcake? I could understand if you said "a small minority", but you said "most".

wild1
08-26-2009, 03:47 PM
Bingo, but only if the assassin-to-be fit the stereotype that jAZ wants.

He would need to be white, carrying a new testament, preferably from the deep south and military veteran returned from iraq.


I doubt some nutcase could succeed anyway. There are a lot more powerful entities around the world that would love to do it and probably try on occasion, but they never succeed.

Reaper16
08-26-2009, 03:47 PM
They were both murderers.
um wut

wild1
08-26-2009, 03:48 PM
Nonsense. A RWNJ murdered George Tiller and it didn't fase the right. There is nothing that "wins this argument" with you people.

You'll say, do or believe anything that keeps your ideology first.

You'd love it because it would get some of the weak minded back on the side of government-run health care, out of sympathy due to an unrelated injustice.

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 03:51 PM
um wut

You drive somebody into a lake and leave them there to drown without alerting anyone to rescue that person, you're a murderer. (Keep in mind I said "rescue", not try to cover it up or save your own hide".)

Jilly
08-26-2009, 03:51 PM
Then why did you state the following?:



You don't think that most people make a decision for themselves as to whether or not the Pastor is acting in accordance with God's word or is just a fruitcake? I could understand if you said "a small minority", but you said "most".

I wish I could say YES they could make that decision, but unfortunately a lot of parishioners are so attracted to the charisma of the pastor that his word is Truth without question. Not the same in the theology of my congregation where laity and ordained are equal.

Reaper16
08-26-2009, 03:54 PM
You drive somebody into a lake and leave them there to drown without alerting anyone to rescue that person, you're a murderer. (Keep in mind I said "rescue", not try to cover it up or save your own hide".)
I don't think that's correct.

petegz28
08-26-2009, 03:59 PM
I don't think that's correct.

Oh? Are we re-writing history now?

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 03:59 PM
I don't think that's correct.

Sorry officer. I didn't know that you couldn't get drunk, drive your car into a lake, leave your passenger there to drown, and then go home and act like nothing happened. If I knew that was a crime, I never would have done it.

petegz28
08-26-2009, 04:00 PM
Sorry officer. I didn't know that you couldn't get drunk, drive your car into a lake, leave your passenger there to drown, and then go home and act like nothing happened. If I knew that was a crime, I never would have done it.

:LOL:

Reaper16
08-26-2009, 04:01 PM
Sorry officer. I didn't know that you couldn't get drunk, drive your car into a lake, leave your passenger there to drown, and then go home and act like nothing happened. If I knew that was a crime, I never would have done it.
Oh, that's a crime. A negligent homicide or perhaps a manslaughter. Its not murder.

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 04:02 PM
Oh, that's a crime. A negligent homicide or perhaps a manslaughter. Its not murder.

You are using a legal definition. I am using a moral one.

Reaper16
08-26-2009, 04:03 PM
You are using a legal definition. I am using a moral one.
You have morality? I'm legitimately surprised.

petegz28
08-26-2009, 04:04 PM
Oh, that's a crime. A negligent homicide or perhaps a manslaughter. Its not murder.

He is still guilty of killing someone.

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 04:06 PM
You have morality? I'm legitimately surprised.

What have I ever said to make you think otherwise?

Reaper16
08-26-2009, 04:07 PM
What have I ever said to make you think otherwise?
Anything regarding healthcare.

petegz28
08-26-2009, 04:11 PM
Anything regarding healthcare.

JFC, you need help

Brock
08-26-2009, 04:14 PM
JFC, you need help

What do you mean? Don't you know that anyone not 100 percent on board with the public "option" is a Satanist, or even worse, a Christian?

KC native
08-26-2009, 04:17 PM
YES! I'm an alum as well! And CAN'T wait for the fb season this year....looks like a good year ahead of us!!

Sweet and yes it does. If we can just get past Utah then we will be alright. I'm actually planning on going to several of the games this year.

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 04:17 PM
Anything regarding healthcare.

My position on health care is that it needs reform, but it does not need a complete overhaul.

Costs are only going to be controlled if the consumer has some skin in the game. I believe that the government should provide tax credits for health care premiums. If they want to create some sort of universal system, it should involve catastrophic coverage (high deductible) for all. If they want to subsidize the poor, they can do so by matching a percentage of contributions into a health savings account that would be used in order to satisfy the deductible.

I believe that all ER treatments should be single-payer on the front end and that insurance companies and/or individuals should be required to reimburse the system.

How is that immoral?

Donger
08-26-2009, 04:17 PM
Anything regarding healthcare.

Let me get this straight: if one doesn't support universal, tax-payer funded health coverage, one is immoral?

mlyonsd
08-26-2009, 04:18 PM
I'd like Republicans and Conservatives to have the decency to police their own instead of exploiting the energy of the fringe nutjobs to their political benefit, even if it puts at increased risk the life of the POTUS.

You seem to be the one exploiting the energy of this guy since you started the thread.

Radar Chief
08-26-2009, 04:18 PM
Let me get this straight: if one doesn't support universal, tax-payer funded health coverage, one is immoral?

And a racist.

Reaper16
08-26-2009, 04:27 PM
That was fun.

Jilly
08-26-2009, 04:35 PM
Sweet and yes it does. If we can just get past Utah then we will be alright. I'm actually planning on going to several of the games this year.

I'm hoping to go to the Utah game myself. Be the first time I've been to a game in about 8 years. When did you graduate?

KC native
08-26-2009, 04:47 PM
I'm hoping to go to the Utah game myself. Be the first time I've been to a game in about 8 years. When did you graduate?

2004. You? (you don't have to answer that if you don't want to date yourself).

Jilly
08-26-2009, 04:50 PM
2004. You? (you don't have to answer that if you don't want to date yourself).

I'm 33, went to TCU til 1998, graduated from Brite in 2001. SO, yeah....I'm older then you. Just means I'm more seasoned!

BucEyedPea
08-26-2009, 04:59 PM
It would be a huge mistake to have Obama killed. You'd make him a martyr, it could mean race riots. That and it wouldn't accomplish anything because we'd get Biden, then Pelosi. It won't work as well as being dangerous and wrong.

KC native
08-26-2009, 05:01 PM
I'm 33, went to TCU til 1998, graduated from Brite in 2001. SO, yeah....I'm older then you. Just means I'm more seasoned!

Not that much older. I'm 29.

Nice on Brite though, I had a friend that went to Brite too. He was finished in 2003 I think. Very distinctive fellow. He was a Hare Krishna follower at the time so you may or may not have ran into him.

Anyways, let's hope the Frogs give themselves a legitimate shot at a BCS bowl this year.

wild1
08-26-2009, 05:08 PM
It would be a huge mistake to have Obama killed. You'd make him a martyr, it could mean race riots. That and it wouldn't accomplish anything because we'd get Biden, then Pelosi. It won't work as well as being dangerous and wrong.

The best case, to beat back socialism, would not be for such a terrible thing to befall him. It would be for him to remain in office and continue to fail as he has done so far, then be voted out in 2012 and have congress change hands or become divided again at least. These ideas would be reigned in, for the immediate future, as claptrap from the era of Jimmy Carter Jr.

BucEyedPea
08-26-2009, 08:32 PM
The best case, to beat back socialism, would not be for such a terrible thing to befall him. It would be for him to remain in office and continue to fail as he has done so far, then be voted out in 2012 and have congress change hands or become divided again at least. These ideas would be reigned in, for the immediate future, as claptrap from the era of Jimmy Carter Jr.

Agreed!

Jilly
08-27-2009, 11:12 AM
Not that much older. I'm 29.

Nice on Brite though, I had a friend that went to Brite too. He was finished in 2003 I think. Very distinctive fellow. He was a Hare Krishna follower at the time so you may or may not have ran into him.

Anyways, let's hope the Frogs give themselves a legitimate shot at a BCS bowl this year.

Nathan?

KC native
08-27-2009, 12:44 PM
Nathan?

Nope, Joe M.